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On September 10 2013 03:27 GoonFFS wrote:
tactical move - will come back at lotv
yeah, i bet Blizzard already consults him on Toss design and provides him with alpha versions :D
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OK, time to go into my corner and cry now. I've been keeping faith that we'd have an SC2 Corsair/DT moment...
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On September 10 2013 02:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 02:28 wo1fwood wrote:On September 10 2013 02:05 Plansix wrote:On September 10 2013 02:02 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 01:56 Ciryandor wrote:On September 10 2013 01:29 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 01:23 _Animus_ wrote:On September 10 2013 00:50 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 00:40 _Animus_ wrote:On September 09 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:
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Clearly its also Blizzard's fault there is mandatory military service in South Korea and that all the progamers live in gaming houses where it is super hard to have a girlfriend. Also, any injuries or family problems we might not know about because, you know, privacy, those are Blizzard's fault as well. Im amazed how ignorant people like this keep on coming and post so bullshit. on topic: Ok ok, 2 legendary players retiring doesnt mean nothing. LOL really? what about the others? How about SC2 is not enjoyed by the public? Maybe its not blizzard fault again, i guess by your logic those people just doesnt have taste for the good RTS games and doesnt understand true esports. By the way do you know which country made the esports - Korea hahahaha Do you know sc2 popularity is much below amateur BW in Korea right now? One might say, Koreans are used to the more complicated games, yes? No. League of legends surpassed greatly SC2 by popularity, and if you dont know this game is very simple unlike sc2. So then where is the problem? Anybody have thinked about sc2 is just not entertaining or just bad? That the way SC2 is continuing to be strong outside of Korea are only the money that big companies throw in, about huge ass tournaments and such? Now you have reasons to think and i guess not to write such bullshit next time. I guess you can call common sense BS, if that does not reflect your idea of SC2 sucking. Yes, they were legendary players in Brood War, and have a large following. But them retiring citing lack of passion for SC2 only means that they did not like SC2, and it is understandable, since they were forced to play it against their own like. SC2 is not enjoyed by public? Well, name me a high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is enjoyed by public. Brood War? Miss, most of it's fans almost never touched 1v1. Koreans are not used to more complicate games. THey are used to free-to-play games and there is nothing bad in that. Comparing LoL to SC2... is plain wrong and everyone knows reasons for it. Sc2 is entertaining for me, except for PvT (yes, only 1 match up out of 6). Also, SC2 is not strong outside of Korea on the back of money the big companies throw in, since big companies are not that stupid to throw money to not get exposure. They surely get it, if they keep doing it. Havent you read my last post? To name you high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is ejnoyed by the public, i already did it, but let me try again, amateur SC BW is way more popular than SC2 in Korea right now, ok? When talking about esports popularity in korea i dont see the wrong in comparing all of them to see the difference, for example when official BW was around it was doing great. And for throwing money by the big companies. I have never said they dont get it back, did i? Reason is that everyone wants to play in big tournaments for big money and nothing more. Difference in Korea was the thrilling passion about the game, which has gone with the switch and we see the aftermath. Aside from the topic I see this as another example of the higher morale of the asian nations. Brave enough to not do something that you dont want, because they can easily continue with their sure job and just stick there as they are getting paid right? Bows to all and mostly to Jangbi! I have no clue how BW and SC2 relate in popularity, since it is impossible to get a statistic of active BW players. Also, you will not believe, but aside from Passion, SC: BW in Korea was supported by a pretty good amount of money, because interest->sponsors->money->moar interest. Also, if Bisu and Jangbi were brave enough, they would retire year ago. They were brave enough to actually try and enjoy (or they had a nice salary, and got a cut on it this year, i won't ever know) SC2, and i give 'em props for that. Fish server has 24k+ active players at any one time if my recent watching of snipealot is correct; probably means there's 50k+ unique users/day. Still quite a few players, how much more would fan counts be? As for sponsorship support, see SSL 8; Mike Morhaime basically had to tell Blizzard Korea to not charge Sonic the broadcast license for BW even if the tournament had over 5k USD in total prize pool. Do you see Valve asking for a license fee for tournies over 5k, and shutting them down if they didn't pay up? Same thing with Riot. 24+k active players? Darn, that's indeed pretty darn popular. Also, since only tournament i watched in this Steam promotion of a game was TI3, i have no clue about what Valve would do. Same with Riot. Fair points, good to know though. Events charge to view Dota 2 events through client and get sweet drops from watching. Valve takes a cut of each sale, so they are charging to watch, even if they don't care about the twitch revenue(you can get drops by watching on Twitch too, as long as you have a ticket). Riot doesn't really have anything like that, but I don't know if anyone is running events but them. The point you're making is kind of non-sequitur here. You're not paying for access to the content, you're paying for additional content that would otherwise not be available to you (e.g. your local machine is rendering all of the gfx at your screens native resolution, so theoretically if you have a 4k screen, you're paying X dollars for UHD content, +anything else). In these instances Valve isn't restricting the viewership of these events in any way, whereas Blizzard has an embargo over non-licensed broadcasts (e.g. entry-level access). So does Valve and Riot, but people don't talk about it. They always have the ability to shut down a broadcast of their game if they don't like what they see(ie, like something horribly offensive that they don't want associated with their game). The only difference is that major Korea TV networks show BW events. As I said before, Valve and Riot would likely look for some money from NBC(who is several magnitudes larger than both of them) was showing their game.
Please stop spreading wrong information. You always seem to be misinformed like in this thread for example). No chinese TV station that showed Dota 2 was charged for showing it and Valve is NOT restricting viewership of the streams. What can happen, is that you get your right to make a ingame Ticket can be revoked, but that is clearly additional revenue and has nothing to do with the stream numbers.
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On September 10 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:15 juvenal wrote:On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay. 3 teams leave gstl=APOCALYPSE. 2 teams less in esf=APOCALYPSE proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice. MLG=ever going time conflicts and MLG confirmed the only reason there are no SC2 at Columbus cause Red bull event.
Might not be apocalypse all in caps like you mentioned, but it would be insane to think that any of that is good news?
"proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice" ..how ignorant of you. Have you watched any of the regional finals or world finals? like 10x more people with 10x more enthusiasm. Even the casters feel genuinely fired up and excited. SC2 is lacking passion, not the other way around
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On September 10 2013 02:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 02:45 WoodenSky wrote:On September 10 2013 02:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 02:39 WoodenSky wrote:On September 10 2013 02:36 HerrHorst wrote:On September 10 2013 02:30 WoodenSky wrote:On September 10 2013 02:11 Plansix wrote:On September 10 2013 02:09 HerrHorst wrote:On September 10 2013 01:29 WoodenSky wrote:
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Am I the only one who sees every one of these retirements as a kick in the nose of SC2's design team?
Thanks for trying Bisu, noone will blame you for leaving. Because someone retiring is clearly an indication for such a claim. When Gerd Müller retired from football literally every german was blaming the game. But I know how this kind of threads works, the broodwar-fans will use every oppurtunity to hate SC2. Come on, lets not limit it to BW fans. Everyone loves a band wagon. They all all the arguments saved up from previous threads and this is the time to break them out. Whether you like it or not, immense players giving up on a salary and retiring while they're either in tip-top shape (Jangbi is an incredible example) or still in somewhat of a competitive stance (Bisu works) is more evidence proving the so-called 'haters' point. No, thats not evidence for anything at all. It's just normal and happens in every sport or job. Could you please quote the last very competitive (or still relatively young) sportsman you can think of who retired? Could you please give me list of sportsmen that have military service to do? You very well know that they could have waited a few more years to do their MS, it's a pointless argument and more of an 'excuse' to leave than anything else. It is sort of tough to move on with your life or get a full time career with 2-3 years of service hanging over your head. I don't know what is required during that time, but I am sure it puts a damper on their lives. Also he is at the age where all of this "non" progamer friends are likely settling down or starting up lives. I am sure that progaming house starts to look a little small when your friends start getting married.
his friends are hardly at the age to get married. hes only 25, most of his friends are just graduating uni pretty much.
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On September 10 2013 03:38 MiQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:15 juvenal wrote:On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay. 3 teams leave gstl=APOCALYPSE. 2 teams less in esf=APOCALYPSE proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice. MLG=ever going time conflicts and MLG confirmed the only reason there are no SC2 at Columbus cause Red bull event. Might not be apocalypse all in caps like you mentioned, but it would be insane to think that any of that is good news? "proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice" ..how ignorant of you. Have you watched any of the regional finals or world finals? like 10x more people with 10x more enthusiasm. Even the casters feel genuinely fired up and excited. SC2 is lacking passion, not the other way around
These posts are the best. This just in, Kepsa and proleague are not interested in money, only heart felt passion. They are the poets of Esports. Also, crowds are more fired up in Korea, because you know, passion and really good camera shots. And the casters doing the "horse racing" casting style(which would get 5000 complains if anyone did it on an English cast, FYI), also more fired up and filled with passion.
The bias is strong in this one.
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On September 10 2013 03:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 02:49 Plansix wrote:On September 10 2013 02:45 WoodenSky wrote:On September 10 2013 02:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 02:39 WoodenSky wrote:On September 10 2013 02:36 HerrHorst wrote:On September 10 2013 02:30 WoodenSky wrote:On September 10 2013 02:11 Plansix wrote:On September 10 2013 02:09 HerrHorst wrote:On September 10 2013 01:29 WoodenSky wrote:
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Am I the only one who sees every one of these retirements as a kick in the nose of SC2's design team?
Thanks for trying Bisu, noone will blame you for leaving. Because someone retiring is clearly an indication for such a claim. When Gerd Müller retired from football literally every german was blaming the game. But I know how this kind of threads works, the broodwar-fans will use every oppurtunity to hate SC2. Come on, lets not limit it to BW fans. Everyone loves a band wagon. They all all the arguments saved up from previous threads and this is the time to break them out. Whether you like it or not, immense players giving up on a salary and retiring while they're either in tip-top shape (Jangbi is an incredible example) or still in somewhat of a competitive stance (Bisu works) is more evidence proving the so-called 'haters' point. No, thats not evidence for anything at all. It's just normal and happens in every sport or job. Could you please quote the last very competitive (or still relatively young) sportsman you can think of who retired? Could you please give me list of sportsmen that have military service to do? You very well know that they could have waited a few more years to do their MS, it's a pointless argument and more of an 'excuse' to leave than anything else. It is sort of tough to move on with your life or get a full time career with 2-3 years of service hanging over your head. I don't know what is required during that time, but I am sure it puts a damper on their lives. Also he is at the age where all of this "non" progamer friends are likely settling down or starting up lives. I am sure that progaming house starts to look a little small when your friends start getting married. his friends are hardly at the age to get married. hes only 25, most of his friends are just graduating uni pretty much.
I didn't know the median age for marriage in Korea and just guessed that this was the time people started moving on to the next stage of their lives. I only looked at his age and said "I bet that progaming house looks really small and a really hindrance on getting the ladies." At some point he does need to think long term and what he plans to do with himself after being a progamer.
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On September 10 2013 03:38 MiQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:15 juvenal wrote:On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay. 3 teams leave gstl=APOCALYPSE. 2 teams less in esf=APOCALYPSE proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice. MLG=ever going time conflicts and MLG confirmed the only reason there are no SC2 at Columbus cause Red bull event. Might not be apocalypse all in caps like you mentioned, but it would be insane to think that any of that is good news? "proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice" ..how ignorant of you. Have you watched any of the regional finals or world finals? like 10x more people with 10x more enthusiasm. Even the casters feel genuinely fired up and excited. SC2 is lacking passion, not the other way around
There are simply waaay too much progamers around in 1 small country. I honestly don't see how this is so hard to see for people. We have more people then ever and its doomsday when people that can't make it anymore retire.
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On September 10 2013 03:51 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:38 MiQ wrote:On September 10 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:15 juvenal wrote:On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay. 3 teams leave gstl=APOCALYPSE. 2 teams less in esf=APOCALYPSE proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice. MLG=ever going time conflicts and MLG confirmed the only reason there are no SC2 at Columbus cause Red bull event. Might not be apocalypse all in caps like you mentioned, but it would be insane to think that any of that is good news? "proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice" ..how ignorant of you. Have you watched any of the regional finals or world finals? like 10x more people with 10x more enthusiasm. Even the casters feel genuinely fired up and excited. SC2 is lacking passion, not the other way around There are simply waaay too much progamers around in 1 small country. I honestly don't see how this is so hard to see for people. We have more people then ever and its doomsday when people that can't make it anymore retire.
Seriously, after recent qualifiers i feel like WTF, so many skilled players.
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On September 10 2013 03:51 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:38 MiQ wrote:On September 10 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:15 juvenal wrote:On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay. 3 teams leave gstl=APOCALYPSE. 2 teams less in esf=APOCALYPSE proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice. MLG=ever going time conflicts and MLG confirmed the only reason there are no SC2 at Columbus cause Red bull event. Might not be apocalypse all in caps like you mentioned, but it would be insane to think that any of that is good news? "proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice" ..how ignorant of you. Have you watched any of the regional finals or world finals? like 10x more people with 10x more enthusiasm. Even the casters feel genuinely fired up and excited. SC2 is lacking passion, not the other way around There are simply waaay too much progamers around in 1 small country. I honestly don't see how this is so hard to see for people. We have more people then ever and its doomsday when people that can't make it anymore retire.
1 game away from making into WCS? I guess all the times "top players" were in Code B means they can't make it anymore either? Bisu did just fine considering his race doesn't cater to his playstyle.
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On September 10 2013 03:54 Arco wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:51 Assirra wrote:On September 10 2013 03:38 MiQ wrote:On September 10 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:15 juvenal wrote:On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay. 3 teams leave gstl=APOCALYPSE. 2 teams less in esf=APOCALYPSE proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice. MLG=ever going time conflicts and MLG confirmed the only reason there are no SC2 at Columbus cause Red bull event. Might not be apocalypse all in caps like you mentioned, but it would be insane to think that any of that is good news? "proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice" ..how ignorant of you. Have you watched any of the regional finals or world finals? like 10x more people with 10x more enthusiasm. Even the casters feel genuinely fired up and excited. SC2 is lacking passion, not the other way around There are simply waaay too much progamers around in 1 small country. I honestly don't see how this is so hard to see for people. We have more people then ever and its doomsday when people that can't make it anymore retire. 1 game away from making into WCS? I guess all the times "top players" were in Code B means they can't make it anymore either? Bisu did just fine considering his race doesn't cater to his playstyle.
1 game away? What are you talking about? He died in Ro4 or Ro8 of his Code B group last season.
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On September 10 2013 03:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:38 MiQ wrote:On September 10 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:15 juvenal wrote:On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay. 3 teams leave gstl=APOCALYPSE. 2 teams less in esf=APOCALYPSE proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice. MLG=ever going time conflicts and MLG confirmed the only reason there are no SC2 at Columbus cause Red bull event. Might not be apocalypse all in caps like you mentioned, but it would be insane to think that any of that is good news? "proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice" ..how ignorant of you. Have you watched any of the regional finals or world finals? like 10x more people with 10x more enthusiasm. Even the casters feel genuinely fired up and excited. SC2 is lacking passion, not the other way around These posts are the best. This just in, Kepsa and proleague are not interested in money, only heart felt passion. They are the poets of Esports. Also, crowds are more fired up in Korea, because you know, passion and really good camera shots. And the casters doing the "horse racing" casting style(which would get 5000 complains if anyone did it on an English cast, FYI), also more fired up and filled with passion. The bias is strong in this one.
They make more money AND provide a competitive scene with much more entertainment value. Why would they not do it?
Hell, the regional finals in Korea were outside and despite the heavy rain, there were more people than at the last WCS. The casters are also a lot better overall but that is subjective. Either way, I think these are valid points.
And you say I'm bias lol.. I actually follow both scenes. Could you say the same?
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On September 10 2013 03:57 MiQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:44 Plansix wrote:On September 10 2013 03:38 MiQ wrote:On September 10 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:15 juvenal wrote:On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay. 3 teams leave gstl=APOCALYPSE. 2 teams less in esf=APOCALYPSE proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice. MLG=ever going time conflicts and MLG confirmed the only reason there are no SC2 at Columbus cause Red bull event. Might not be apocalypse all in caps like you mentioned, but it would be insane to think that any of that is good news? "proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice" ..how ignorant of you. Have you watched any of the regional finals or world finals? like 10x more people with 10x more enthusiasm. Even the casters feel genuinely fired up and excited. SC2 is lacking passion, not the other way around These posts are the best. This just in, Kepsa and proleague are not interested in money, only heart felt passion. They are the poets of Esports. Also, crowds are more fired up in Korea, because you know, passion and really good camera shots. And the casters doing the "horse racing" casting style(which would get 5000 complains if anyone did it on an English cast, FYI), also more fired up and filled with passion. The bias is strong in this one. They make more money AND provide a competitive scene with much more entertainment value. Why would they not do it? Hell, the regional finals in Korea were outside and despite the heavy rain, there were more people than at the last WCS. The casters are also a lot better overall but that is subjective. Either way, I think these are valid points. And you say I'm bias lol.. I actually follow both scenes. Could you say the same?
Captain mode: LoL is free, stop comparing.
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On September 10 2013 03:58 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:57 MiQ wrote:On September 10 2013 03:44 Plansix wrote:On September 10 2013 03:38 MiQ wrote:On September 10 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:15 juvenal wrote:On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay. 3 teams leave gstl=APOCALYPSE. 2 teams less in esf=APOCALYPSE proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice. MLG=ever going time conflicts and MLG confirmed the only reason there are no SC2 at Columbus cause Red bull event. Might not be apocalypse all in caps like you mentioned, but it would be insane to think that any of that is good news? "proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice" ..how ignorant of you. Have you watched any of the regional finals or world finals? like 10x more people with 10x more enthusiasm. Even the casters feel genuinely fired up and excited. SC2 is lacking passion, not the other way around These posts are the best. This just in, Kepsa and proleague are not interested in money, only heart felt passion. They are the poets of Esports. Also, crowds are more fired up in Korea, because you know, passion and really good camera shots. And the casters doing the "horse racing" casting style(which would get 5000 complains if anyone did it on an English cast, FYI), also more fired up and filled with passion. The bias is strong in this one. They make more money AND provide a competitive scene with much more entertainment value. Why would they not do it? Hell, the regional finals in Korea were outside and despite the heavy rain, there were more people than at the last WCS. The casters are also a lot better overall but that is subjective. Either way, I think these are valid points. And you say I'm bias lol.. I actually follow both scenes. Could you say the same? Captain mode: LoL is free, stop comparing.
So now we can't compare 2 games that obviously share the same market. Okay
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On September 10 2013 04:00 MiQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:58 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:57 MiQ wrote:On September 10 2013 03:44 Plansix wrote:On September 10 2013 03:38 MiQ wrote:On September 10 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:15 juvenal wrote:On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay. 3 teams leave gstl=APOCALYPSE. 2 teams less in esf=APOCALYPSE proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice. MLG=ever going time conflicts and MLG confirmed the only reason there are no SC2 at Columbus cause Red bull event. Might not be apocalypse all in caps like you mentioned, but it would be insane to think that any of that is good news? "proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice" ..how ignorant of you. Have you watched any of the regional finals or world finals? like 10x more people with 10x more enthusiasm. Even the casters feel genuinely fired up and excited. SC2 is lacking passion, not the other way around These posts are the best. This just in, Kepsa and proleague are not interested in money, only heart felt passion. They are the poets of Esports. Also, crowds are more fired up in Korea, because you know, passion and really good camera shots. And the casters doing the "horse racing" casting style(which would get 5000 complains if anyone did it on an English cast, FYI), also more fired up and filled with passion. The bias is strong in this one. They make more money AND provide a competitive scene with much more entertainment value. Why would they not do it? Hell, the regional finals in Korea were outside and despite the heavy rain, there were more people than at the last WCS. The casters are also a lot better overall but that is subjective. Either way, I think these are valid points. And you say I'm bias lol.. I actually follow both scenes. Could you say the same? Captain mode: LoL is free, stop comparing. So now we can't compare 2 games that obviously share the same market. Okay
Same market? Huh?
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On September 10 2013 03:57 MiQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:44 Plansix wrote:On September 10 2013 03:38 MiQ wrote:On September 10 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:15 juvenal wrote:On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay. 3 teams leave gstl=APOCALYPSE. 2 teams less in esf=APOCALYPSE proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice. MLG=ever going time conflicts and MLG confirmed the only reason there are no SC2 at Columbus cause Red bull event. Might not be apocalypse all in caps like you mentioned, but it would be insane to think that any of that is good news? "proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice" ..how ignorant of you. Have you watched any of the regional finals or world finals? like 10x more people with 10x more enthusiasm. Even the casters feel genuinely fired up and excited. SC2 is lacking passion, not the other way around These posts are the best. This just in, Kepsa and proleague are not interested in money, only heart felt passion. They are the poets of Esports. Also, crowds are more fired up in Korea, because you know, passion and really good camera shots. And the casters doing the "horse racing" casting style(which would get 5000 complains if anyone did it on an English cast, FYI), also more fired up and filled with passion. The bias is strong in this one. They make more money AND provide a competitive scene with much more entertainment value. Why would they not do it? Hell, the regional finals in Korea were outside and despite the heavy rain, there were more people than at the last WCS. The casters are also a lot better overall but that is subjective. Either way, I think these are valid points. And you say I'm bias lol.. I actually follow both scenes. Could you say the same?
I can't follow the Korea scene, its on when I am driving to work. I did watch the finals on VODs and that was fun. And what is your point? Are you saying the Korea has a better Esports market and fans that will show up to watch event? Because no one is going to argue with you there. If you are saying that the people doing it are doing it for the "passion" and not for the pay check, I think you might need to come back down to reality.
Also, if you are saying people are more excited for LoL in Korea, I think there are just more fans for LoL in general. I don't know what that has do do with SC2, however. Its a different game with different fans.
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I quit.
On September 09 2013 23:20 PIJAMA wrote:
Bisu, I am pretty sure you are not going to read this, but 2006 was the most difficult year in my life. I used to work fixing computer, lived in a shitty hotel and barely had enough money to buy food. At that time, I had been watching starcraft for about an year and it was my only pleasure. Savior was the unbeatable dictator of the game. When you destroyed him at MSL finals, it changed my life. Your bisu build was just so perfect, it made me think nothing is impossible. You gave me inspiration and courage to move on. Today I have a good job and live in a nice place. I just want to say thank you. You will always be the best protoss ever! The only truth revolutionist!
This made me tear up...god I love brood war.
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On September 10 2013 04:04 fly.stat wrote:
I quit.
Play BW, he will come back to it.... and will play it once a week, because he shall have a life.
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On September 10 2013 02:52 WoodenSky wrote:
Both Jordan and Schumacher left when they felt they could only decline from that point on.
They still came back because they loved their respective sport so much they couldn't live without it (I'm willing to bet noone is coming back on SC2), their afterward performances proved they were right to retire in the first place.
What you gonna bet? I'll hold that bet 
+ Show Spoiler +Select retired and came back. I won the bet, where is mah moneh???
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