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On September 10 2013 01:56 Ciryandor wrote:
Fish server has 24k+ active players at any one time if my recent watching of snipealot is correct; probably means there's 50k+ unique users/day. Still quite a few players, how much more would fan counts be?
As for sponsorship support, see SSL 8; Mike Morhaime basically had to tell Blizzard Korea to not charge Sonic the broadcast license for BW even if the tournament had over 5k USD in total prize pool. Do you see Valve asking for a license fee for tournies over 5k, and shutting them down if they didn't pay up? Same thing with Riot.
Admittedly it's probably a very bad time but am I understanding something wrong here, looks like fishbattle.net has user stats at the top and the number online (if I am looking at the correct numbers) sits currently at somewhere around 3.5k which is pretty far from 24k+. There's certainly no number anywhere close to that on that bar. SC2 has always had 15k+ _games_ being played when I've happened to log in.
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On September 10 2013 03:03 Grumbels wrote:Henin quit because of a silent doping suspension, so go the rumors. 
You stop that right now !
Henin was and still remains the only woman whose tennis I consider purely enjoyable.
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Compulsory military service was and is in effect in many countries, never broke people dreams or ruined lives.
In Korea you can do it pretty much when you want, somewhere else you just got to do it when of age, completely irrelevant argument.
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On September 10 2013 03:05 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. I for one, can't read his brain, but i see him enjoying BW, so if he liked it, it's his choice. But trust me, you can get frustrated with any game. Yes, BW too. And no, SC2 is not doing as fine as LoL, it does fine enough for a game like SC2.
i don't want to argue about this, but "a game like sc2" isn't exactly the way I see it. SC2 is the RTS flagman, there are no competitors even and it's a successor to BW - the father of all esports - too. It shouldve topped the world 
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On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing.
Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears.
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On September 10 2013 02:17 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 02:15 ( bush wrote:On September 10 2013 02:09 HerrHorst wrote:On September 10 2013 01:29 WoodenSky wrote:
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Am I the only one who sees every one of these retirements as a kick in the nose of SC2's design team?
Thanks for trying Bisu, noone will blame you for leaving. Because someone retiring is clearly an indication for such a claim. When Gerd Müller retired from football literally every german was blaming the game. But I know how this kind of threads works, the broodwar-fans will use every oppurtunity to hate SC2. cmon, we see retirement annoucements daily on this forum, something is clearly fucked up with the game. Conformation bias is the best form of evidence on the internet. I see a thing and assume that is proves the point I want it to confirm, while disregarding all other reasons and evidence.
The Nile is a big river in Egypt. Just call it natural downsizing following the first major post season. The scene is smaller much smaller in korea than it was and there are more pro teams (or I've lost count). This is a natural thing.
Besides these retirements tend to be vindication for the people poohpoohing the notion that any sense of "excitement" over sc2 in interviews was more than KESPA dictated PR.
Anyway, could be exciting times if he plays in SOPSA. If you(pl) ever want some variety, might be worth following Jangbi and co back for a BW game or two.
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....no....NO....NOOOOOOoooooo....
I really hope he plays in SOSPA though. Please Bisu pleaseeeeee....
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On September 10 2013 03:11 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:05 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. I for one, can't read his brain, but i see him enjoying BW, so if he liked it, it's his choice. But trust me, you can get frustrated with any game. Yes, BW too. And no, SC2 is not doing as fine as LoL, it does fine enough for a game like SC2. i don't want to argue about this, but "a game like sc2" isn't exactly the way I see it. SC2 is the RTS flagman, there are no competitors even and it's a successor to BW - the father of all esports - too. It shouldve topped the world
SC2 is RTS flagman in age, when RTSs are not very popular in general.
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On September 10 2013 03:01 WoodenSky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On September 10 2013 02:52 WoodenSky wrote:
Both Jordan and Schumacher left when they felt they could only decline from that point on.
They still came back because they loved their respective sport so much they couldn't live without it (I'm willing to bet noone is coming back on SC2), their afterward performances proved they were right to retire in the first place.
"Also he is at the age where all of this "non" progamer friends are likely settling down or starting up lives. I am sure that progaming house starts to look a little small when your friends start getting married."
Now that's a very good point :p Michael Jordan retires specifically because of the murder of his father and loss of desire to play the game due to that. It has nothing to do with leaving while on the top. The man was crushed because he lost his father and couldn't play basket ball because of it. And when he came back, he did very well. I meant the second comeback for Jordan which, while not that bad and chiefly destroyed by injuries, wasn't up his prime's level. Yet again Jordan's first retirement is indeed very peculiar and he was a bad example. Henin and Schumacher make my case better. "Actually Schuhmacher stated on german television he just was getting tired of Formula One and wanted to spent time with his family. And his comeback mostly failed because of his flawed car." He spent two years with his family before... coming back to his beloved career. And the car wasn't that flawed, Rosberg was doing much better than him.
I guess we all know this feeling to miss something after you ended doing it. I spent 5 years in the bundeswehr (german army) and was absolutely tired of it but shortly after my retirement I started to miss it.
Before we go even further OT: We dont know why Bisu exactly retires and we can assume that things like his happens from time to time especially when you have to adjust to a new game and you are not beeing very succesful with it.
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On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears.
Yeah, people keep overlooking the part where they haven't won anything or qualified. Did he even make it into the GSL or any other event?
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HUUUUWWWAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT omg no way man! here i am thinking that flash and jaedong are starting to show their true forms and it was time for bisu to try and do the same =( sad news!
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On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears.
and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay.
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On September 10 2013 03:15 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay.
3 teams leave gstl=APOCALYPSE.
2 teams less in esf=APOCALYPSE
proleague is in pursue of money, not passion, so LoL is obvious choice.
MLG=ever going time conflicts and MLG confirmed the only reason there are no SC2 at Columbus cause Red bull event.
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On September 10 2013 03:15 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay.
Korea has its own problems with ESF and Kespa fighting each other over who can broadcast what, slowly eating each other alive. MLG will carry SC2 again when there isn't an conflicting event for the same weekend(which is being run by someone they have a good relationship with) and teams fall apart for reasons that have nothing to do with SC2. Everyone keeps overlooking that other teams received major funding just last week.
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On September 10 2013 03:15 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. and gstl is virtually no more, so is esf, and proleague is half LoL, and MLG has bidden farewell, teams collapsing left and right for whatever reasons. But let's stay positive. Yay.
And WCS has of course nothing to do with the changes of tournaments...
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On September 10 2013 03:14 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. Yeah, people keep overlooking the part where they haven't won anything or qualified. Did he even make it into the GSL or any other event?
he was A FIGURE in esports, he could have just sit on the SKT T1's bench and smile to the camera, not participating in any goddamn tournament. Sad you don't understand that. If you want gsl winners go cheer for seed and sniper i guess. Oh what a blast there will be when those retire. Right?
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SC2 is in fact a new game, I don't see how (the former)BW pros HAVE to enjoy it. And when they don't, how does that prove any point? it is a different game we are speaking ovth
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I blame social media, they made it so an entire generation has lost their attention spans. No wonder RTS is less popular these days.
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On September 10 2013 03:19 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:14 Plansix wrote:On September 10 2013 03:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 10 2013 03:04 juvenal wrote:
Guys, your overly positive or just a bit fanboy's look at SC2 playing it's role in recent retirements is swept away by Jangbi's direct words: not interested in sc2. You can read it between the lines in Bisu's case too. Sheer frustration at the game. Ok, he didn't say it directly, but you've got to be blind just to not see it. Or you can just turn the logic off and happily believe sc2 is flourishing. Because two guys who have won nothing (in SC2) retiring means that the SC2 world is crashing down around our ears. Yeah, people keep overlooking the part where they haven't won anything or qualified. Did he even make it into the GSL or any other event? he was A FIGURE in esports, he could have just sit on the SKT T1's bench and smile to the camera, not participating in any goddamn tournament. Sad you don't understand that. If you want gsl winners go cheer for seed and sniper i guess. Oh what a blast there will be when those retire. Right?
You really think he could just it on the bench and collected a pay check for doing that for as long as he wanted? Are you kidding? And why would he want to do that? That is the saddest fate I would wish on anyone that was a competitor.
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tactical move - will come back at lotv
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