[Show] Zerg Plus Juan

On September 22 2013 18:14 metroid composite wrote:
Yessssssssssss six pools :D. Fantastic episde once again.



Hmm..so some quick notes/questions about the builds...

3 hatch before pool

I'm really not sold on the benefits of 3 hatch before pool. I did some tests with 15 hatch 16 pool, and 15, 17, 17, spending all injects and resources on drones. (getting a third when I could afford it with the 15/16 build). I got to 54 supply in 6:15 with the 16 pool, and 54 supply in 6:25 with the 15, 17, 17.

Here's the thing, for 300 minerals (really 350 because of the drone) a hatchery produces 4 larva per minute.

If you're getting a spawning pool purely so that you can make queens and larva inject, and you're only getting two queens out of the deal, then let's split the cost of the spawning pool across those two queens. So...queens effectively cost 150 + 250/2 = 275 minerals. But they produce 6 larva per second--more than the 4 larva per second that a hatchery produces. Literally more larva for less money, even when we add in the cost of the spawning pool. Build time of a hatchery is 100. Build time of a queen is 50 (and then 40 more seconds before you get a larva popoff) which means you still get the benefit faster (in 90 seconds). And you get four larva at that time, instead of the one larva you get when a hatchery finishes.

I mean yes, if you play hatch pool dropping early creep tumors and building more queens instead of injecting, you'll end up with fewer drones. 5 fewer drones like Suppy said sounds right (that's around the cost of two queens). But if you want to max out your drone count, I think delaying your initial queens by making another hatchery is actually bad.


goswser's roach ling allin

On the subject of goswser's 8 roach speedling allin...I feel like you should be able to do the same build but hatch first. You can still get the gas at the same time, and your pool will definitely be done before you have 100 gas (if you want to have 100 gas when your pool finishes, you'd do like...hatch, gas, pool). The only real difference is that it looks more normal if scouted.


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Oh, one other quick note: know how people were messaging Suppy when you were in replays with stuff like "lol I'm on the stream"? Pretty sure there's a setting to make it so that you don't display the purple messages from people outside the game.