On September 01 2013 03:38 pigmanbear wrote: The writing is definitely on the wall for SC2, though I think there will be decent purses for the next 12-18 months (optimistically). The real question is, when do we see a modern competitor? I know I'm not the only one who is only interested in competitive RTS where managing economies and armies are important, and not pure micro, single-player on team games like DOTA and LOL.
I don't fear for the fall of SC2, Blizzard brought that on itself by forcing the game through Blizzard servers. If they distributed SC2 like they did SC1/BW, obviously people would copy it for free and it could rival BW as the ubiquitous RTS over time.
What I find worrying is the prospect that SC2 is the last even semi-popular RTS, and that people who enjoy these games are dinosaurs, like playing text adventures.
This happened in brood war many times. Lots of players retired, teams died out, teams gained new sponsors, etc. This isn't something new. And Brood war survived for 10+ years.
This is nothing like BW. Rumors are just rumors but if something this cataclysmic were to occur in SC2, the scene is nowhere near as well-funded, well-liked or deeply rooted as the BW scene. You cannot make a well-founded argument for the SC2 surviving using the BW scene as a basis for your theory.
Yes, I can. BW didn't have much of a foreign scene. You are ignoring this fact. The SC2 scene has a vibrant foreign community. Dunno why you are neglecting this fact.
Half the reason the foreign scene is so big is that you get the best Koreans attending major events, maintaining the highest level of play, along with a few choice foreigners. Nobody wants to watch consistently so-so play. If the Korean scene collapses, these guys stop showing up at major foreign events, ergo the foreign scene becomes dull and dries up as well.
Look at the LA scene if you want to see what a foreign scene with no KR influence looks like. It ain't pretty.
What do you mean "nobody wants to watch consistently so-so play?" There's a large segment of the sc2 scene that is clamoring for region locking. Don't you see all the TL, twitter, and reddit post about people saying that WCS should be region locked, etc.
Let me put it this way: Two Bo7s are about to start. You can watch MarineKing vs. Taeja, or Scarlett vs. Naniwa. Which do you watch? Or how about choosing Kas vs. Nerchio, or Life vs. Maru?
On September 01 2013 03:38 pigmanbear wrote: The writing is definitely on the wall for SC2, though I think there will be decent purses for the next 12-18 months (optimistically). The real question is, when do we see a modern competitor? I know I'm not the only one who is only interested in competitive RTS where managing economies and armies are important, and not pure micro, single-player on team games like DOTA and LOL.
I don't fear for the fall of SC2, Blizzard brought that on itself by forcing the game through Blizzard servers. If they distributed SC2 like they did SC1/BW, obviously people would copy it for free and it could rival BW as the ubiquitous RTS over time.
What I find worrying is the prospect that SC2 is the last even semi-popular RTS, and that people who enjoy these games are dinosaurs, like playing text adventures.
This happened in brood war many times. Lots of players retired, teams died out, teams gained new sponsors, etc. This isn't something new. And Brood war survived for 10+ years.
This is nothing like BW. Rumors are just rumors but if something this cataclysmic were to occur in SC2, the scene is nowhere near as well-funded, well-liked or deeply rooted as the BW scene. You cannot make a well-founded argument for the SC2 surviving using the BW scene as a basis for your theory.
Yes, I can. BW didn't have much of a foreign scene. You are ignoring this fact. The SC2 scene has a vibrant foreign community. Dunno why you are neglecting this fact.
Half the reason the foreign scene is so big is that you get the best Koreans attending major events, maintaining the highest level of play, along with a few choice foreigners. Nobody wants to watch consistently so-so play. If the Korean scene collapses, these guys stop showing up at major foreign events, ergo the foreign scene becomes dull and dries up as well.
Look at the LA scene if you want to see what a foreign scene with no KR influence looks like. It ain't pretty.
What do you mean "nobody wants to watch consistently so-so play?" There's a large segment of the sc2 scene that is clamoring for region locking. Don't you see all the TL, twitter, and reddit post about people saying that WCS should be region locked, etc.
Let me put it this way: Two Bo7s are about to start. You can watch MarineKing vs. Taeja, or Scarlett vs. Naniwa. Which do you watch? Or how about choosing Kas vs. Nerchio, or Life vs. Maru?
Nerchio vs Kas
i suppose it would be better to stream cheat than get distracted by another game
I really like how they are setting it up. The shit might have already hit the fan, but even before that's confirmed they're gonna let us know in 7 hours how the shit might hit the fan EVEN HARDER
On September 01 2013 03:38 pigmanbear wrote: The writing is definitely on the wall for SC2, though I think there will be decent purses for the next 12-18 months (optimistically). The real question is, when do we see a modern competitor? I know I'm not the only one who is only interested in competitive RTS where managing economies and armies are important, and not pure micro, single-player on team games like DOTA and LOL.
I don't fear for the fall of SC2, Blizzard brought that on itself by forcing the game through Blizzard servers. If they distributed SC2 like they did SC1/BW, obviously people would copy it for free and it could rival BW as the ubiquitous RTS over time.
What I find worrying is the prospect that SC2 is the last even semi-popular RTS, and that people who enjoy these games are dinosaurs, like playing text adventures.
This happened in brood war many times. Lots of players retired, teams died out, teams gained new sponsors, etc. This isn't something new. And Brood war survived for 10+ years.
This is nothing like BW. Rumors are just rumors but if something this cataclysmic were to occur in SC2, the scene is nowhere near as well-funded, well-liked or deeply rooted as the BW scene. You cannot make a well-founded argument for the SC2 surviving using the BW scene as a basis for your theory.
Yes, I can. BW didn't have much of a foreign scene. You are ignoring this fact. The SC2 scene has a vibrant foreign community. Dunno why you are neglecting this fact.
Half the reason the foreign scene is so big is that you get the best Koreans attending major events, maintaining the highest level of play, along with a few choice foreigners. Nobody wants to watch consistently so-so play. If the Korean scene collapses, these guys stop showing up at major foreign events, ergo the foreign scene becomes dull and dries up as well.
Look at the LA scene if you want to see what a foreign scene with no KR influence looks like. It ain't pretty.
What do you mean "nobody wants to watch consistently so-so play?" There's a large segment of the sc2 scene that is clamoring for region locking. Don't you see all the TL, twitter, and reddit post about people saying that WCS should be region locked, etc.
Let me put it this way: Two Bo7s are about to start. You can watch MarineKing vs. Taeja, or Scarlett vs. Naniwa. Which do you watch? Or how about choosing Kas vs. Nerchio, or Life vs. Maru?
On September 01 2013 04:08 babylon wrote: People seem to think that the Korean scene dissolving = no more Korean players. What?
I would like to remind people that even if GSL disappeared overnight, we would be able to see players such as Polt, HerO, Mvp, Innovation (now that he is sponsored by a foreign team), JD, MC, and more compete. I am not even including the players who are technically on Korean teams but are sponsored by foreign organizations who are willing to send them overseas (such as FXO, ST, and Axiom).
And you can argue that result and skill level wise Koreans on foreign teams>ESF>KeSPA at the WCS season 2 finals
You'd have to be pretty silly to think that one tournament, at which a lot of people played pretty poorly compared to their usual standard, establishes that foreigner-team Koreans are Code S level in any great number or consistent sense.
On September 01 2013 03:38 pigmanbear wrote: The writing is definitely on the wall for SC2, though I think there will be decent purses for the next 12-18 months (optimistically). The real question is, when do we see a modern competitor? I know I'm not the only one who is only interested in competitive RTS where managing economies and armies are important, and not pure micro, single-player on team games like DOTA and LOL.
I don't fear for the fall of SC2, Blizzard brought that on itself by forcing the game through Blizzard servers. If they distributed SC2 like they did SC1/BW, obviously people would copy it for free and it could rival BW as the ubiquitous RTS over time.
What I find worrying is the prospect that SC2 is the last even semi-popular RTS, and that people who enjoy these games are dinosaurs, like playing text adventures.
This happened in brood war many times. Lots of players retired, teams died out, teams gained new sponsors, etc. This isn't something new. And Brood war survived for 10+ years.
This is nothing like BW. Rumors are just rumors but if something this cataclysmic were to occur in SC2, the scene is nowhere near as well-funded, well-liked or deeply rooted as the BW scene. You cannot make a well-founded argument for the SC2 surviving using the BW scene as a basis for your theory.
Yes, I can. BW didn't have much of a foreign scene. You are ignoring this fact. The SC2 scene has a vibrant foreign community. Dunno why you are neglecting this fact.
No you can't. You just gave me more fodder for proving that point. BW didn't have much of a foreign scene and therefore held onto its core in Korea. In fact, there's still a decent Korean core keeping it alive in terms of competition. SC2's scene is not based in Korea but moreso in foreign areas which have historically changed with the winds rather than staying stubborn with a single idea. You are ignoring these facts which fly directly in the face of your own statement while its clear I was already well aware of them and minded them when making my statement. You cannot make a well-founded argument based on two scenes you just stated yourself are completely different in nature. If anything, I'm taking all facts into consideration while you're picking and choosing ones (very poorly at that) that you think support your own bias.
On September 01 2013 04:23 Erik.TheRed wrote: Where's R.E.M. on the song list?
I really like how they are setting it up. The shit might have already hit the fan, but even before that's confirmed they're gonna let us know in 7 hours how the shit might hit the fan EVEN HARDER
So KESPA is cutting on SC2 staff and goes full LoL. I can't blame them, as they first priority is to cater to Korean audience and SC2 isnt that popular there. Catering to foreign audience by setting up English broadcast for PL didn't work for them too, as the average numbers weren't that high. Can't blame them for that, it is the only logical move.
On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote: I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic?
You can be a fan and understand the way the world is.
There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation. Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW.
No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL
Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2
The KESPA that we know before is dead. KESPA is MINISTRY OF CULTURE now. (Relabled) Before 2015 KESPA will cease to operate SC2 therefore GOM will be the ONE. KESPA SC2 players will either retire, transfernnovation or LOLed. Sad but I honestly dont see SC2 to last 6 years from now. More likely, we are at peak in SC2 era... (2013-2014)
On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote: I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic?
You can be a fan and understand the way the world is.
There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation. Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW.
No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL
Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2
And now they have LOL.
I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal.
The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well.
On September 01 2013 04:51 riyanme wrote: The KESPA that we know before is dead. KESPA is MINISTRY OF CULTURE now. (Relabled) Before 2015 KESPA will cease to operate SC2 therefore GOM will be the ONE. KESPA SC2 players will either retire, transfernnovation or LOLed. Sad but I honestly dont see SC2 to last 6 years from now. More likely, we are at peak in SC2 era... (2013-2014)
At first I read "Kespa is Ministry of Win now" and I was like "Oh fuck me..." :D
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