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Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
August 31 2013 19:21 GMT
#161
On September 01 2013 04:14 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 04:01 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:59 ptbl wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:55 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:53 ptbl wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:50 sCCrooked wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:41 ptbl wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:38 pigmanbear wrote:
The writing is definitely on the wall for SC2, though I think there will be decent purses for the next 12-18 months (optimistically). The real question is, when do we see a modern competitor? I know I'm not the only one who is only interested in competitive RTS where managing economies and armies are important, and not pure micro, single-player on team games like DOTA and LOL.

I don't fear for the fall of SC2, Blizzard brought that on itself by forcing the game through Blizzard servers. If they distributed SC2 like they did SC1/BW, obviously people would copy it for free and it could rival BW as the ubiquitous RTS over time.

What I find worrying is the prospect that SC2 is the last even semi-popular RTS, and that people who enjoy these games are dinosaurs, like playing text adventures.


This happened in brood war many times. Lots of players retired, teams died out, teams gained new sponsors, etc. This isn't something new. And Brood war survived for 10+ years.


This is nothing like BW. Rumors are just rumors but if something this cataclysmic were to occur in SC2, the scene is nowhere near as well-funded, well-liked or deeply rooted as the BW scene. You cannot make a well-founded argument for the SC2 surviving using the BW scene as a basis for your theory.


Yes, I can. BW didn't have much of a foreign scene. You are ignoring this fact. The SC2 scene has a vibrant foreign community. Dunno why you are neglecting this fact.

Half the reason the foreign scene is so big is that you get the best Koreans attending major events, maintaining the highest level of play, along with a few choice foreigners. Nobody wants to watch consistently so-so play. If the Korean scene collapses, these guys stop showing up at major foreign events, ergo the foreign scene becomes dull and dries up as well.

Look at the LA scene if you want to see what a foreign scene with no KR influence looks like. It ain't pretty.


What do you mean "nobody wants to watch consistently so-so play?" There's a large segment of the sc2 scene that is clamoring for region locking. Don't you see all the TL, twitter, and reddit post about people saying that WCS should be region locked, etc.

Let me put it this way: Two Bo7s are about to start. You can watch MarineKing vs. Taeja, or Scarlett vs. Naniwa. Which do you watch? Or how about choosing Kas vs. Nerchio, or Life vs. Maru?

Nerchio vs Kas

I second that.
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
August 31 2013 19:22 GMT
#162
On September 01 2013 04:14 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 04:01 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:59 ptbl wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:55 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:53 ptbl wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:50 sCCrooked wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:41 ptbl wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:38 pigmanbear wrote:
The writing is definitely on the wall for SC2, though I think there will be decent purses for the next 12-18 months (optimistically). The real question is, when do we see a modern competitor? I know I'm not the only one who is only interested in competitive RTS where managing economies and armies are important, and not pure micro, single-player on team games like DOTA and LOL.

I don't fear for the fall of SC2, Blizzard brought that on itself by forcing the game through Blizzard servers. If they distributed SC2 like they did SC1/BW, obviously people would copy it for free and it could rival BW as the ubiquitous RTS over time.

What I find worrying is the prospect that SC2 is the last even semi-popular RTS, and that people who enjoy these games are dinosaurs, like playing text adventures.


This happened in brood war many times. Lots of players retired, teams died out, teams gained new sponsors, etc. This isn't something new. And Brood war survived for 10+ years.


This is nothing like BW. Rumors are just rumors but if something this cataclysmic were to occur in SC2, the scene is nowhere near as well-funded, well-liked or deeply rooted as the BW scene. You cannot make a well-founded argument for the SC2 surviving using the BW scene as a basis for your theory.


Yes, I can. BW didn't have much of a foreign scene. You are ignoring this fact. The SC2 scene has a vibrant foreign community. Dunno why you are neglecting this fact.

Half the reason the foreign scene is so big is that you get the best Koreans attending major events, maintaining the highest level of play, along with a few choice foreigners. Nobody wants to watch consistently so-so play. If the Korean scene collapses, these guys stop showing up at major foreign events, ergo the foreign scene becomes dull and dries up as well.

Look at the LA scene if you want to see what a foreign scene with no KR influence looks like. It ain't pretty.


What do you mean "nobody wants to watch consistently so-so play?" There's a large segment of the sc2 scene that is clamoring for region locking. Don't you see all the TL, twitter, and reddit post about people saying that WCS should be region locked, etc.

Let me put it this way: Two Bo7s are about to start. You can watch MarineKing vs. Taeja, or Scarlett vs. Naniwa. Which do you watch? Or how about choosing Kas vs. Nerchio, or Life vs. Maru?

Nerchio vs Kas

i suppose it would be better to stream cheat than get distracted by another game
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 19:25:10
August 31 2013 19:23 GMT
#163
Where's R.E.M. on the song list?

I really like how they are setting it up. The shit might have already hit the fan, but even before that's confirmed they're gonna let us know in 7 hours how the shit might hit the fan EVEN HARDER
"See you space cowboy"
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
August 31 2013 19:27 GMT
#164
I find myself not caring too much about all this. I like that things are shaking up and I think in the end everything will be A-OK!
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 31 2013 19:28 GMT
#165
On September 01 2013 04:14 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 04:01 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:59 ptbl wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:55 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:53 ptbl wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:50 sCCrooked wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:41 ptbl wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:38 pigmanbear wrote:
The writing is definitely on the wall for SC2, though I think there will be decent purses for the next 12-18 months (optimistically). The real question is, when do we see a modern competitor? I know I'm not the only one who is only interested in competitive RTS where managing economies and armies are important, and not pure micro, single-player on team games like DOTA and LOL.

I don't fear for the fall of SC2, Blizzard brought that on itself by forcing the game through Blizzard servers. If they distributed SC2 like they did SC1/BW, obviously people would copy it for free and it could rival BW as the ubiquitous RTS over time.

What I find worrying is the prospect that SC2 is the last even semi-popular RTS, and that people who enjoy these games are dinosaurs, like playing text adventures.


This happened in brood war many times. Lots of players retired, teams died out, teams gained new sponsors, etc. This isn't something new. And Brood war survived for 10+ years.


This is nothing like BW. Rumors are just rumors but if something this cataclysmic were to occur in SC2, the scene is nowhere near as well-funded, well-liked or deeply rooted as the BW scene. You cannot make a well-founded argument for the SC2 surviving using the BW scene as a basis for your theory.


Yes, I can. BW didn't have much of a foreign scene. You are ignoring this fact. The SC2 scene has a vibrant foreign community. Dunno why you are neglecting this fact.

Half the reason the foreign scene is so big is that you get the best Koreans attending major events, maintaining the highest level of play, along with a few choice foreigners. Nobody wants to watch consistently so-so play. If the Korean scene collapses, these guys stop showing up at major foreign events, ergo the foreign scene becomes dull and dries up as well.

Look at the LA scene if you want to see what a foreign scene with no KR influence looks like. It ain't pretty.


What do you mean "nobody wants to watch consistently so-so play?" There's a large segment of the sc2 scene that is clamoring for region locking. Don't you see all the TL, twitter, and reddit post about people saying that WCS should be region locked, etc.

Let me put it this way: Two Bo7s are about to start. You can watch MarineKing vs. Taeja, or Scarlett vs. Naniwa. Which do you watch? Or how about choosing Kas vs. Nerchio, or Life vs. Maru?

Nerchio vs Kas

Stream cheating or how do they call it, eh?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 31 2013 19:28 GMT
#166
On September 01 2013 04:10 ptbl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 04:08 babylon wrote:
People seem to think that the Korean scene dissolving = no more Korean players. What?

I would like to remind people that even if GSL disappeared overnight, we would be able to see players such as Polt, HerO, Mvp, Innovation (now that he is sponsored by a foreign team), JD, MC, and more compete. I am not even including the players who are technically on Korean teams but are sponsored by foreign organizations who are willing to send them overseas (such as FXO, ST, and Axiom).


And you can argue that result and skill level wise Koreans on foreign teams>ESF>KeSPA at the WCS season 2 finals

You'd have to be pretty silly to think that one tournament, at which a lot of people played pretty poorly compared to their usual standard, establishes that foreigner-team Koreans are Code S level in any great number or consistent sense.
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 19:35:39
August 31 2013 19:31 GMT
#167
On September 01 2013 03:53 ptbl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 03:50 sCCrooked wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:41 ptbl wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:38 pigmanbear wrote:
The writing is definitely on the wall for SC2, though I think there will be decent purses for the next 12-18 months (optimistically). The real question is, when do we see a modern competitor? I know I'm not the only one who is only interested in competitive RTS where managing economies and armies are important, and not pure micro, single-player on team games like DOTA and LOL.

I don't fear for the fall of SC2, Blizzard brought that on itself by forcing the game through Blizzard servers. If they distributed SC2 like they did SC1/BW, obviously people would copy it for free and it could rival BW as the ubiquitous RTS over time.

What I find worrying is the prospect that SC2 is the last even semi-popular RTS, and that people who enjoy these games are dinosaurs, like playing text adventures.


This happened in brood war many times. Lots of players retired, teams died out, teams gained new sponsors, etc. This isn't something new. And Brood war survived for 10+ years.


This is nothing like BW. Rumors are just rumors but if something this cataclysmic were to occur in SC2, the scene is nowhere near as well-funded, well-liked or deeply rooted as the BW scene. You cannot make a well-founded argument for the SC2 surviving using the BW scene as a basis for your theory.


Yes, I can. BW didn't have much of a foreign scene. You are ignoring this fact. The SC2 scene has a vibrant foreign community. Dunno why you are neglecting this fact.


No you can't. You just gave me more fodder for proving that point. BW didn't have much of a foreign scene and therefore held onto its core in Korea. In fact, there's still a decent Korean core keeping it alive in terms of competition. SC2's scene is not based in Korea but moreso in foreign areas which have historically changed with the winds rather than staying stubborn with a single idea. You are ignoring these facts which fly directly in the face of your own statement while its clear I was already well aware of them and minded them when making my statement. You cannot make a well-founded argument based on two scenes you just stated yourself are completely different in nature. If anything, I'm taking all facts into consideration while you're picking and choosing ones (very poorly at that) that you think support your own bias.
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
August 31 2013 19:32 GMT
#168
On September 01 2013 04:23 Erik.TheRed wrote:
Where's R.E.M. on the song list?

I really like how they are setting it up. The shit might have already hit the fan, but even before that's confirmed they're gonna let us know in 7 hours how the shit might hit the fan EVEN HARDER

this one?
Get off my lawn, young punks
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
August 31 2013 19:37 GMT
#169
The party is over, all we have left is guilt and regret but for some reason no one wants to leave

Everyday Girl's Day~!
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
August 31 2013 19:39 GMT
#170
gg
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
August 31 2013 19:39 GMT
#171
This would be a whole less ominous if MLG hadn't recently dropped SC2 T.T;;;
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
August 31 2013 19:42 GMT
#172
So KESPA is cutting on SC2 staff and goes full LoL. I can't blame them, as they first priority is to cater to Korean audience and SC2 isnt that popular there. Catering to foreign audience by setting up English broadcast for PL didn't work for them too, as the average numbers weren't that high. Can't blame them for that, it is the only logical move.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
August 31 2013 19:43 GMT
#173
I'll believe SNM's tweets when it's all in the open.

However, the financial calendar year is usually Oct 1, so I don't expect any significant things until just before or on that date.

I could be wrong.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
TomoeMami
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan48 Posts
August 31 2013 19:48 GMT
#174
On September 01 2013 02:36 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote:
I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic?

You can be a fan and understand the way the world is.

There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation.
Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW.


No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL

Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2

And now they have LOL.
I'll not cry anymore
riyanme
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines940 Posts
August 31 2013 19:51 GMT
#175
The KESPA that we know before is dead.
KESPA is MINISTRY OF CULTURE now. (Relabled)
Before 2015
KESPA will cease to operate SC2 therefore GOM will be the ONE.
KESPA SC2 players will either retire, transfernnovation or LOLed.
Sad but I honestly dont see SC2 to last 6 years from now.
More likely, we are at peak in SC2 era... (2013-2014)
-
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 31 2013 19:55 GMT
#176
On September 01 2013 04:48 TomoeMami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 02:36 Lonyo wrote:
On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote:
I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic?

You can be a fan and understand the way the world is.

There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation.
Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW.


No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL

Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2

And now they have LOL.


I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal.

The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well.
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
August 31 2013 19:55 GMT
#177
Finally, starcraft 2 for the nintendo 3ds and PSVita!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
August 31 2013 19:55 GMT
#178
On September 01 2013 04:37 Kergy wrote:
The party is over, all we have left is guilt and regret but for some reason no one wants to leave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtLBud9zPF0

Feel free to shed a few extra tears, but the only thing in this thread that's making me genuinely sad is the fact that "Kiss Land" isn't out yet.
Get crunk
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
August 31 2013 19:57 GMT
#179
On September 01 2013 04:51 riyanme wrote:
The KESPA that we know before is dead.
KESPA is MINISTRY OF CULTURE now. (Relabled)
Before 2015
KESPA will cease to operate SC2 therefore GOM will be the ONE.
KESPA SC2 players will either retire, transfernnovation or LOLed.
Sad but I honestly dont see SC2 to last 6 years from now.
More likely, we are at peak in SC2 era... (2013-2014)

At first I read "Kespa is Ministry of Win now" and I was like "Oh fuck me..." :D
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 31 2013 20:03 GMT
#180
I wonder if Supernovamaniac is the 4chan guy
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