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On September 01 2013 05:19 Loomies wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 05:08 Darkthorn wrote:
SNM wants to see the world burn because sc2 fans don't dig into his casting of said game. but hes not causing it...just translating.
Selective translating of rumors. Because there are always more rumors.
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On September 01 2013 06:10 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 05:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On September 01 2013 05:37 jdsowa wrote:
All this really means is that the Korean public isn't interested in games that have 15 minutes of inactivity leading up to 5-10 second deathball confrontations with squishy units and coinflip AOE. I'm sure Blizzard will put the right team together to produce SC3, and in 2019 we'll have our game. You don't watch sc2 apparently. He exaggerates, but pretty much has the gist of the game.
not in: ZvT, TvT, ZvZ
So basically, remove protoss from the game.
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On September 01 2013 05:20 TomoeMami wrote:
Imagine If you give these two games (BW, LOL) to one hundred teenage boys wo used to love SC2.
Are you expecting them to choose BW if Bisu go back and playing?
How pity.
No thanks im allergic to casuals, I'd hang around till the end of days.
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On September 01 2013 06:11 Popkiller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 06:10 AndAgain wrote:On September 01 2013 05:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On September 01 2013 05:37 jdsowa wrote:
All this really means is that the Korean public isn't interested in games that have 15 minutes of inactivity leading up to 5-10 second deathball confrontations with squishy units and coinflip AOE. I'm sure Blizzard will put the right team together to produce SC3, and in 2019 we'll have our game. You don't watch sc2 apparently. He exaggerates, but pretty much has the gist of the game. not in: ZvT, TvT, ZvZ So basically, remove protoss from the game.
That's being generous tbh.
TvT is watchable, remove other races from the game. Plus makes it perfectly balanced. 
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do you guys think jim raynor and kerrigan kiss again at the end of the trilogy?
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Scarlett @AcerScarlett 21s
hyvaa was asking around for a team recently, so unless he suddenly changed his mind he hasn't retired
Looks like Hyvaa is really only "jobless" for now
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You all know that this is going to happen sooner or later anyway; such is eSports.
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On September 01 2013 05:20 TomoeMami wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 04:55 Talin wrote:On September 01 2013 04:48 TomoeMami wrote:On September 01 2013 02:36 Lonyo wrote:On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote:
I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic? You can be a fan and understand the way the world is. There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation. Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW. No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2 And now they have LOL. I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal. The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well. Yes, it's popular, but Age of Empires is also popular in Russia ladders and that game is still not alive. E-sports need profits, need new bloods,the Kespa got a great deal of trouble before they switched to SC2. And SC2 simply did not save them, but LOL did. So the BW will never be like before, perhaps Bisu or someone else might go back and play SSL But is that really a "benefit"? Just not totally dead. Just it. Imagine If you give these two games (BW, LOL) to one hundred teenage boys wo used to love SC2. Are you expecting them to choose BW if Bisu go back and playing? No, that's least likely to happen. Most of them will choose LOL for sure. The death( I don't think SC2 is dead, but I will use this word here) of SC2 can do nothing beneficial to BW, Perhaps one or two boy used to choose SC2 may turn back to BW( The other 99 go to LOL for sure) The so called "increasing popularity"compares nothing to the great loss of Starcraft series.you are killing one game alive by a dead game, that is all. Young men will not go to see BW if SC2 dies. Sponsors will not support BW if SC2 dies. They will are turn to LOL, or dota2( But I don't think dota2 has enough market in Korea) No matter now bad the SC2 is ,it is still the greatest e-sport game after BWAnd now u guys trying to kill it, and believe BW will resurrect by the death of its inheritor. While in fact the only one can be benefited is MOBA game. (I'm not saying they are bad, but definitely they are more like pure game not e-sports) How pity.
No, it's not.
And it's not opinion, but a fact.
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On September 01 2013 06:10 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 05:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On September 01 2013 05:37 jdsowa wrote:
All this really means is that the Korean public isn't interested in games that have 15 minutes of inactivity leading up to 5-10 second deathball confrontations with squishy units and coinflip AOE. I'm sure Blizzard will put the right team together to produce SC3, and in 2019 we'll have our game. You don't watch sc2 apparently. He exaggerates, but pretty much has the gist of the game.
I can agree that his exaggeration is a major problem with the game. I just don't understand how people can say this while massive crowds enjoy watching people farm NPCs for 40 minutes with ~5 minutes of actual player vs player combat sprinkled in during that farming phase. Especially when you add that the game snowballs horribly and the team that is winning at the 12 minute mark has close to an 80% winrate.
Games like dota/lol are fun to play but are not really fun to watch.
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On September 01 2013 06:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 05:20 TomoeMami wrote:On September 01 2013 04:55 Talin wrote:On September 01 2013 04:48 TomoeMami wrote:On September 01 2013 02:36 Lonyo wrote:On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote:
I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic? You can be a fan and understand the way the world is. There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation. Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW. No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2 And now they have LOL. I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal. The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well. Yes, it's popular, but Age of Empires is also popular in Russia ladders and that game is still not alive. E-sports need profits, need new bloods,the Kespa got a great deal of trouble before they switched to SC2. And SC2 simply did not save them, but LOL did. So the BW will never be like before, perhaps Bisu or someone else might go back and play SSL But is that really a "benefit"? Just not totally dead. Just it. Imagine If you give these two games (BW, LOL) to one hundred teenage boys wo used to love SC2. Are you expecting them to choose BW if Bisu go back and playing? No, that's least likely to happen. Most of them will choose LOL for sure. The death( I don't think SC2 is dead, but I will use this word here) of SC2 can do nothing beneficial to BW, Perhaps one or two boy used to choose SC2 may turn back to BW( The other 99 go to LOL for sure) The so called "increasing popularity"compares nothing to the great loss of Starcraft series.you are killing one game alive by a dead game, that is all. Young men will not go to see BW if SC2 dies. Sponsors will not support BW if SC2 dies. They will are turn to LOL, or dota2( But I don't think dota2 has enough market in Korea) No matter now bad the SC2 is ,it is still the greatest e-sport game after BWAnd now u guys trying to kill it, and believe BW will resurrect by the death of its inheritor. While in fact the only one can be benefited is MOBA game. (I'm not saying they are bad, but definitely they are more like pure game not e-sports) How pity. No, it's not. And it's not opinion, but a fact.
no, no I'm pretty sure It's an opinion.
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So it's a reorganization of the Kespa teams, pretty much. With the news of the changes in that entire organization (mostly due to the changing nature of the eSports scenes), that's really not a surprise.
The loss of a few teams isn't too surprising. Title sponsors actually come and go pretty quickly, if you look back through Kespa's history.
GOM will still be going, while doing their other bits, most of the GSTL teams are still around. The foreign scene is going pretty strong and the big events are doing well. There's a very active European scene and there is still plenty of money left in the Korean scene.
We should probably be more concerned about the lack of top-tier Americans and tournaments Stateside. Apparently we need to grow more Plott Brothers.
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On September 01 2013 06:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 05:20 TomoeMami wrote:On September 01 2013 04:55 Talin wrote:On September 01 2013 04:48 TomoeMami wrote:On September 01 2013 02:36 Lonyo wrote:On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote:
I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic? You can be a fan and understand the way the world is. There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation. Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW. No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2 And now they have LOL. I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal. The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well. Yes, it's popular, but Age of Empires is also popular in Russia ladders and that game is still not alive. E-sports need profits, need new bloods,the Kespa got a great deal of trouble before they switched to SC2. And SC2 simply did not save them, but LOL did. So the BW will never be like before, perhaps Bisu or someone else might go back and play SSL But is that really a "benefit"? Just not totally dead. Just it. Imagine If you give these two games (BW, LOL) to one hundred teenage boys wo used to love SC2. Are you expecting them to choose BW if Bisu go back and playing? No, that's least likely to happen. Most of them will choose LOL for sure. The death( I don't think SC2 is dead, but I will use this word here) of SC2 can do nothing beneficial to BW, Perhaps one or two boy used to choose SC2 may turn back to BW( The other 99 go to LOL for sure) The so called "increasing popularity"compares nothing to the great loss of Starcraft series.you are killing one game alive by a dead game, that is all. Young men will not go to see BW if SC2 dies. Sponsors will not support BW if SC2 dies. They will are turn to LOL, or dota2( But I don't think dota2 has enough market in Korea) No matter now bad the SC2 is ,it is still the greatest e-sport game after BWAnd now u guys trying to kill it, and believe BW will resurrect by the death of its inheritor. While in fact the only one can be benefited is MOBA game. (I'm not saying they are bad, but definitely they are more like pure game not e-sports) How pity. No, it's not. And it's not opinion, but a fact.
You both need to get over yourselves. There is no point in quibbling over opinions disguised as facts.
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On September 01 2013 06:24 Iodem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 06:10 AndAgain wrote:On September 01 2013 05:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On September 01 2013 05:37 jdsowa wrote:
All this really means is that the Korean public isn't interested in games that have 15 minutes of inactivity leading up to 5-10 second deathball confrontations with squishy units and coinflip AOE. I'm sure Blizzard will put the right team together to produce SC3, and in 2019 we'll have our game. You don't watch sc2 apparently. He exaggerates, but pretty much has the gist of the game. I can agree that his exaggeration is a major problem with the game. I just don't understand how people can say this while massive crowds enjoy watching people farm NPCs for 40 minutes with ~5 minutes of actual player vs player combat sprinkled in during that farming phase. Especially when you add that the game snowballs horribly and the team that is winning at the 12 minute mark has close to an 80% winrate. Games like dota/lol are fun to play but are not really fun to watch.
Same issue here: you couldn't be more wrong.
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On September 01 2013 06:27 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 06:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On September 01 2013 05:20 TomoeMami wrote:On September 01 2013 04:55 Talin wrote:On September 01 2013 04:48 TomoeMami wrote:On September 01 2013 02:36 Lonyo wrote:On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote:
I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic? You can be a fan and understand the way the world is. There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation. Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW. No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2 And now they have LOL. I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal. The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well. Yes, it's popular, but Age of Empires is also popular in Russia ladders and that game is still not alive. E-sports need profits, need new bloods,the Kespa got a great deal of trouble before they switched to SC2. And SC2 simply did not save them, but LOL did. So the BW will never be like before, perhaps Bisu or someone else might go back and play SSL But is that really a "benefit"? Just not totally dead. Just it. Imagine If you give these two games (BW, LOL) to one hundred teenage boys wo used to love SC2. Are you expecting them to choose BW if Bisu go back and playing? No, that's least likely to happen. Most of them will choose LOL for sure. The death( I don't think SC2 is dead, but I will use this word here) of SC2 can do nothing beneficial to BW, Perhaps one or two boy used to choose SC2 may turn back to BW( The other 99 go to LOL for sure) The so called "increasing popularity"compares nothing to the great loss of Starcraft series.you are killing one game alive by a dead game, that is all. Young men will not go to see BW if SC2 dies. Sponsors will not support BW if SC2 dies. They will are turn to LOL, or dota2( But I don't think dota2 has enough market in Korea) No matter now bad the SC2 is ,it is still the greatest e-sport game after BWAnd now u guys trying to kill it, and believe BW will resurrect by the death of its inheritor. While in fact the only one can be benefited is MOBA game. (I'm not saying they are bad, but definitely they are more like pure game not e-sports) How pity. No, it's not. And it's not opinion, but a fact. You both need to get over yourselves. There is no point in quibbling over opinions disguised as facts.
You can't tell them their opinion isn't fact! This is the Internet!!!!!!!!!!'
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On September 01 2013 06:26 Taf the Ghost wrote:
So it's a reorganization of the Kespa teams, pretty much. With the news of the changes in that entire organization (mostly due to the changing nature of the eSports scenes), that's really not a surprise.
The loss of a few teams isn't too surprising. Title sponsors actually come and go pretty quickly, if you look back through Kespa's history.
GOM will still be going, while doing their other bits, most of the GSTL teams are still around. The foreign scene is going pretty strong and the big events are doing well. There's a very active European scene and there is still plenty of money left in the Korean scene.
We should probably be more concerned about the lack of top-tier Americans and tournaments Stateside. Apparently we need to grow more Plott Brothers.
We could solve all the world's problems if we could grow more Plott brothers
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On September 01 2013 05:19 Loomies wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 05:08 Darkthorn wrote:
SNM wants to see the world burn because sc2 fans don't dig into his casting of said game. but hes not causing it...just translating.
he is not translating anything relevant they are just rumors in the end until proven otherwise.
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On September 01 2013 06:30 Darkthorn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 05:19 Loomies wrote:On September 01 2013 05:08 Darkthorn wrote:
SNM wants to see the world burn because sc2 fans don't dig into his casting of said game. but hes not causing it...just translating. he is not translating anything relevant they are just rumors in the end until proven otherwise.
He is creating great drama until then next SC2 event.
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On September 01 2013 06:31 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 06:30 Darkthorn wrote:On September 01 2013 05:19 Loomies wrote:On September 01 2013 05:08 Darkthorn wrote:
SNM wants to see the world burn because sc2 fans don't dig into his casting of said game. but hes not causing it...just translating. he is not translating anything relevant they are just rumors in the end until proven otherwise. He is creating great drama until then next SC2 event.
we are all about that drama aaww yea!
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