Anyone who has interacted with SNM for any length of time knows that he loves to doomsay SC2. Now don't get me wrong, some of what he's reporting is definitely going to end up true, but don't underestimate him painting things a little darker than they may actually be.
On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote: I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic?
You can be a fan and understand the way the world is.
There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation. Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW.
No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL
Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2
And now they have LOL.
I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal.
The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well.
Yes, it's popular, but Age of Empires is also popular in Russia ladders and that game is still not alive. E-sports need profits, need new bloods,the Kespa got a great deal of trouble before they switched to SC2. And SC2 simply did not save them, but LOL did. So the BW will never be like before, perhaps Bisu or someone else might go back and play SSL But is that really a "benefit"? Just not totally dead. Just it. Imagine If you give these two games (BW, LOL) to one hundred teenage boys wo used to love SC2. Are you expecting them to choose BW if Bisu go back and playing? No, that's least likely to happen. Most of them will choose LOL for sure. The death( I don't think SC2 is dead, but I will use this word here) of SC2 can do nothing beneficial to BW, Perhaps one or two boy used to choose SC2 may turn back to BW( The other 99 go to LOL for sure) The so called "increasing popularity"compares nothing to the great loss of Starcraft series.you are killing one game alive by a dead game, that is all. Young men will not go to see BW if SC2 dies. Sponsors will not support BW if SC2 dies. They will are turn to LOL, or dota2( But I don't think dota2 has enough market in Korea)
No matter now bad the SC2 is ,it is still the greatest e-sport game after BW And now u guys trying to kill it, and believe BW will resurrect by the death of its inheritor. While in fact the only one can be benefited is MOBA game. (I'm not saying they are bad, but definitely they are more like pure game not e-sports) How pity.
No, it's not. And it's not opinion, but a fact.
no, no I'm pretty sure It's an opinion.
Greatest e-sport game which isn't fully released yet? I bet this title is for Valve to grab.
On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote: I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic?
You can be a fan and understand the way the world is.
There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation. Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW.
No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL
Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2
And now they have LOL.
I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal.
The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well.
Yes, it's popular, but Age of Empires is also popular in Russia ladders and that game is still not alive. E-sports need profits, need new bloods,the Kespa got a great deal of trouble before they switched to SC2. And SC2 simply did not save them, but LOL did. So the BW will never be like before, perhaps Bisu or someone else might go back and play SSL But is that really a "benefit"? Just not totally dead. Just it. Imagine If you give these two games (BW, LOL) to one hundred teenage boys wo used to love SC2. Are you expecting them to choose BW if Bisu go back and playing? No, that's least likely to happen. Most of them will choose LOL for sure. The death( I don't think SC2 is dead, but I will use this word here) of SC2 can do nothing beneficial to BW, Perhaps one or two boy used to choose SC2 may turn back to BW( The other 99 go to LOL for sure) The so called "increasing popularity"compares nothing to the great loss of Starcraft series.you are killing one game alive by a dead game, that is all. Young men will not go to see BW if SC2 dies. Sponsors will not support BW if SC2 dies. They will are turn to LOL, or dota2( But I don't think dota2 has enough market in Korea)
No matter now bad the SC2 is ,it is still the greatest e-sport game after BW And now u guys trying to kill it, and believe BW will resurrect by the death of its inheritor. While in fact the only one can be benefited is MOBA game. (I'm not saying they are bad, but definitely they are more like pure game not e-sports) How pity.
No, it's not. And it's not opinion, but a fact.
You both need to get over yourselves. There is no point in quibbling over opinions disguised as facts.
You can't tell them their opinion isn't fact! This is the Internet!!!!!!!!!!'
How about providing some arguments first and jokes later?
On September 01 2013 06:24 Iodem wrote: [ I can agree that his exaggeration is a major problem with the game. I just don't understand how people can say this while massive crowds enjoy watching people farm NPCs for 40 minutes with ~5 minutes of actual player vs player combat sprinkled in during that farming phase. Especially when you add that the game snowballs horribly and the team that is winning at the 12 minute mark has close to an 80% winrate.
Games like dota/lol are fun to play but are not really fun to watch.
Replace NPC's with minerals and PvP with deathballing, and you pretty much got stacraft, I find RTS more appealing though.
On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote: I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic?
You can be a fan and understand the way the world is.
There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation. Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW.
No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL
Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2
And now they have LOL.
I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal.
The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well.
Yes, it's popular, but Age of Empires is also popular in Russia ladders and that game is still not alive. E-sports need profits, need new bloods,the Kespa got a great deal of trouble before they switched to SC2. And SC2 simply did not save them, but LOL did. So the BW will never be like before, perhaps Bisu or someone else might go back and play SSL But is that really a "benefit"? Just not totally dead. Just it. Imagine If you give these two games (BW, LOL) to one hundred teenage boys wo used to love SC2. Are you expecting them to choose BW if Bisu go back and playing? No, that's least likely to happen. Most of them will choose LOL for sure. The death( I don't think SC2 is dead, but I will use this word here) of SC2 can do nothing beneficial to BW, Perhaps one or two boy used to choose SC2 may turn back to BW( The other 99 go to LOL for sure) The so called "increasing popularity"compares nothing to the great loss of Starcraft series.you are killing one game alive by a dead game, that is all. Young men will not go to see BW if SC2 dies. Sponsors will not support BW if SC2 dies. They will are turn to LOL, or dota2( But I don't think dota2 has enough market in Korea)
No matter now bad the SC2 is ,it is still the greatest e-sport game after BW And now u guys trying to kill it, and believe BW will resurrect by the death of its inheritor. While in fact the only one can be benefited is MOBA game. (I'm not saying they are bad, but definitely they are more like pure game not e-sports) How pity.
No, it's not. And it's not opinion, but a fact.
no, no I'm pretty sure It's an opinion.
Greatest e-sport game which isn't fully released yet? I bet this title is for Valve to grab.
Glad you let us know what your opinion is on the subject. It's nice you keep us informed.
On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote: I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic?
You can be a fan and understand the way the world is.
There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation. Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW.
No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL
Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2
And now they have LOL.
I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal.
The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well.
Yes, it's popular, but Age of Empires is also popular in Russia ladders and that game is still not alive. E-sports need profits, need new bloods,the Kespa got a great deal of trouble before they switched to SC2. And SC2 simply did not save them, but LOL did. So the BW will never be like before, perhaps Bisu or someone else might go back and play SSL But is that really a "benefit"? Just not totally dead. Just it. Imagine If you give these two games (BW, LOL) to one hundred teenage boys wo used to love SC2. Are you expecting them to choose BW if Bisu go back and playing? No, that's least likely to happen. Most of them will choose LOL for sure. The death( I don't think SC2 is dead, but I will use this word here) of SC2 can do nothing beneficial to BW, Perhaps one or two boy used to choose SC2 may turn back to BW( The other 99 go to LOL for sure) The so called "increasing popularity"compares nothing to the great loss of Starcraft series.you are killing one game alive by a dead game, that is all. Young men will not go to see BW if SC2 dies. Sponsors will not support BW if SC2 dies. They will are turn to LOL, or dota2( But I don't think dota2 has enough market in Korea)
No matter now bad the SC2 is ,it is still the greatest e-sport game after BW And now u guys trying to kill it, and believe BW will resurrect by the death of its inheritor. While in fact the only one can be benefited is MOBA game. (I'm not saying they are bad, but definitely they are more like pure game not e-sports) How pity.
No, it's not. And it's not opinion, but a fact.
You both need to get over yourselves. There is no point in quibbling over opinions disguised as facts.
You can't tell them their opinion isn't fact! This is the Internet!!!!!!!!!!'
How about providing some arguments first and jokes later?
I don't argue against opinions. Jokes are easier and more fun.
Do you happen to have his new ID btw if he's still posting? I knew his old one, but he deleted that account after people caught wind of him spilling news.
Do you happen to have his new ID btw if he's still posting? I knew his old one, but he deleted that account after people caught wind of him spilling news.
I was hoping he was still around. His updates on Prime were kind of funny/sad
On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote: I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic?
You can be a fan and understand the way the world is.
There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation. Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW.
No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL
Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2
And now they have LOL.
I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal.
The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well.
Yes, it's popular, but Age of Empires is also popular in Russia ladders and that game is still not alive. E-sports need profits, need new bloods,the Kespa got a great deal of trouble before they switched to SC2. And SC2 simply did not save them, but LOL did. So the BW will never be like before, perhaps Bisu or someone else might go back and play SSL But is that really a "benefit"? Just not totally dead. Just it. Imagine If you give these two games (BW, LOL) to one hundred teenage boys wo used to love SC2. Are you expecting them to choose BW if Bisu go back and playing? No, that's least likely to happen. Most of them will choose LOL for sure. The death( I don't think SC2 is dead, but I will use this word here) of SC2 can do nothing beneficial to BW, Perhaps one or two boy used to choose SC2 may turn back to BW( The other 99 go to LOL for sure) The so called "increasing popularity"compares nothing to the great loss of Starcraft series.you are killing one game alive by a dead game, that is all. Young men will not go to see BW if SC2 dies. Sponsors will not support BW if SC2 dies. They will are turn to LOL, or dota2( But I don't think dota2 has enough market in Korea)
No matter now bad the SC2 is ,it is still the greatest e-sport game after BW And now u guys trying to kill it, and believe BW will resurrect by the death of its inheritor. While in fact the only one can be benefited is MOBA game. (I'm not saying they are bad, but definitely they are more like pure game not e-sports) How pity.
No, it's not. And it's not opinion, but a fact.
You both need to get over yourselves. There is no point in quibbling over opinions disguised as facts.
You can't tell them their opinion isn't fact! This is the Internet!!!!!!!!!!'
How about providing some arguments first and jokes later?
I don't argue against opinions. Jokes are easier and more fun.
Do you happen to have his new ID btw if he's still posting? I knew his old one, but he deleted that account after people caught wind of him spilling news.
No I have no idea, I never read /vg/ except when someone links me a leak post from there. Half the time what that guy said ended up not coming true so he's probably not anyone important, just getting second or third hand information.
On September 01 2013 02:36 Lonyo wrote: [quote] You can be a fan and understand the way the world is.
There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation. Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW.
No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL
Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2
And now they have LOL.
I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal.
The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well.
Yes, it's popular, but Age of Empires is also popular in Russia ladders and that game is still not alive. E-sports need profits, need new bloods,the Kespa got a great deal of trouble before they switched to SC2. And SC2 simply did not save them, but LOL did. So the BW will never be like before, perhaps Bisu or someone else might go back and play SSL But is that really a "benefit"? Just not totally dead. Just it. Imagine If you give these two games (BW, LOL) to one hundred teenage boys wo used to love SC2. Are you expecting them to choose BW if Bisu go back and playing? No, that's least likely to happen. Most of them will choose LOL for sure. The death( I don't think SC2 is dead, but I will use this word here) of SC2 can do nothing beneficial to BW, Perhaps one or two boy used to choose SC2 may turn back to BW( The other 99 go to LOL for sure) The so called "increasing popularity"compares nothing to the great loss of Starcraft series.you are killing one game alive by a dead game, that is all. Young men will not go to see BW if SC2 dies. Sponsors will not support BW if SC2 dies. They will are turn to LOL, or dota2( But I don't think dota2 has enough market in Korea)
No matter now bad the SC2 is ,it is still the greatest e-sport game after BW And now u guys trying to kill it, and believe BW will resurrect by the death of its inheritor. While in fact the only one can be benefited is MOBA game. (I'm not saying they are bad, but definitely they are more like pure game not e-sports) How pity.
No, it's not. And it's not opinion, but a fact.
You both need to get over yourselves. There is no point in quibbling over opinions disguised as facts.
You can't tell them their opinion isn't fact! This is the Internet!!!!!!!!!!'
How about providing some arguments first and jokes later?
I don't argue against opinions. Jokes are easier and more fun.
Suits you well.
I am very efficient. I avoid wasting my time. And jokes are fun.
Do you happen to have his new ID btw if he's still posting? I knew his old one, but he deleted that account after people caught wind of him spilling news.
No I have no idea, I never read /vg/ except when someone links me a leak post from there. Half the time what that guy said ended up not coming true so he's probably not anyone important, just getting second or third hand information.
Yeah, I heard he was just a random guy translating Korean netizen speculations, but he was pretty entertaining all the same. Also, I occasionally enjoyed the TMZ-like gossip.
On September 01 2013 04:48 TomoeMami wrote: [quote]
No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL
Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2
And now they have LOL.
I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal.
The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well.
Yes, it's popular, but Age of Empires is also popular in Russia ladders and that game is still not alive. E-sports need profits, need new bloods,the Kespa got a great deal of trouble before they switched to SC2. And SC2 simply did not save them, but LOL did. So the BW will never be like before, perhaps Bisu or someone else might go back and play SSL But is that really a "benefit"? Just not totally dead. Just it. Imagine If you give these two games (BW, LOL) to one hundred teenage boys wo used to love SC2. Are you expecting them to choose BW if Bisu go back and playing? No, that's least likely to happen. Most of them will choose LOL for sure. The death( I don't think SC2 is dead, but I will use this word here) of SC2 can do nothing beneficial to BW, Perhaps one or two boy used to choose SC2 may turn back to BW( The other 99 go to LOL for sure) The so called "increasing popularity"compares nothing to the great loss of Starcraft series.you are killing one game alive by a dead game, that is all. Young men will not go to see BW if SC2 dies. Sponsors will not support BW if SC2 dies. They will are turn to LOL, or dota2( But I don't think dota2 has enough market in Korea)
No matter now bad the SC2 is ,it is still the greatest e-sport game after BW And now u guys trying to kill it, and believe BW will resurrect by the death of its inheritor. While in fact the only one can be benefited is MOBA game. (I'm not saying they are bad, but definitely they are more like pure game not e-sports) How pity.
No, it's not. And it's not opinion, but a fact.
You both need to get over yourselves. There is no point in quibbling over opinions disguised as facts.
You can't tell them their opinion isn't fact! This is the Internet!!!!!!!!!!'
How about providing some arguments first and jokes later?
I don't argue against opinions. Jokes are easier and more fun.
Suits you well.
I am very efficient. I avoid wasting my time.
Not when you respond to anonymous user on the internet pertaining to boring subject, you are not.
Something I just thought of, how are the Kespa vs eSF fan wars going to work if IM and Prime join Kespa and former STX players join eSF? Identity crisis!
On September 01 2013 06:54 Dodgin wrote: Something I just thought of, how are the Kespa vs eSF fan wars going to work if IM and Prime join Kespa and former STX players join eSF? Identity crisis!
On September 01 2013 06:54 Dodgin wrote: Something I just thought of, how are the Kespa vs eSF fan wars going to work if IM and Prime join Kespa and former STX players join eSF? Identity crisis!
I've been practicing my KESPA screams in my spare time hoping this day would come
EPT
