On September 01 2013 07:28 Grumbels wrote: In 2009 I used to follow WC3 and I would be content watching the top rated replays. I didn't have commentary, ultra high level matches, there was no large community that I could be a part of, but it was still enjoyable for me. So that's why before the release of the beta I felt that I didn't care about e-sports and it didn't matter to me. I don't feel that way anymore, since there are some perks to the idea of it being an e-sports, but I think that if I truly loved SC2 the way I did WC3 I wouldn't be phased by these recent developments. The community could decline, maybe the tournament scene would die out, but there would always be some competition as long as there were people that loved the game.
I think one of the reasons that SC2 caught on so much in 2010 is that many people were new to the idea of e-sports and they were primarily excited to be following the process of a developing scene. (and the promise of the game/Starcraft's iconic status and the belief in its limitless potential, which fueled this) One of the reasons there is so much gloom nowadays is because I think a lot of people aren't part of the community out of love for the game anymore (even if they did start out this way), but out of enjoyment of the e-sports scene.
On September 01 2013 07:23 Acertos wrote:
On September 01 2013 07:13 Grumbels wrote: I'm really disappointed in the choice of soundtracks though. For such an occasion you need melancholic musical numbers from classic hollywood movies. Not generic game sound tracks.
edit : actually this song really brings back the sad memories
On September 01 2013 07:17 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On September 01 2013 07:13 Grumbels wrote: I'm really disappointed in the choice of soundtracks though. For such an occasion you need melancholic musical numbers from classic hollywood movies. Not generic game sound tracks.
Theme of Shingeki No Kyojin, but it has the message of breaking away from the chains of oppression and overcoming obstacles, similar to what the community has to do here. Plus this song is epic.
Lets hope the scene doesn't dig itself into its own ditch with this news. It's sad to see all of this go on in such a manner with such a lack of information. (again similar to SNK where they have no info on the Titans, which are destroying the civilization).
On September 01 2013 07:28 ZAiNs wrote: If the next proleague is actually the last I will be so upset... League of Legends killing eSports...
More like taking it for themselves. ;p
They came.....they came from a land. A land that was parallel to our own, almost as if from the same creator you could say. When they left nobody thought much. They had the knowledge of the towns and cities they had come from and they exclaimed: "We shall build a land to call our own!"...and nobody batted an eye.
The days passed. Their small town had grown. It was now a flourishing city, and others had followed in their footsteps establishing towns in new areas. Their growth had been unprecedented...how foolish we were then. As we gazed out across the land, taking everything in sight, we were the power. We were the Kingdom that would rule! And the future was nothing but bright and full of stars! We had but merely to walk the path. How foolish we were....
Suddenly the city was more than just a city. It had become big. Large. Powerful. We could no longer ignore them as rivals. Yet we were still big. Strong. Powerful. But fading. Yet we carried on, having faith in our strength. It wouldn't be long before the Heart of our City was given new life, and it would Swarm again with people...if only we had known by this time it was too late.
Now our dominance is but a lost dream. We carry on...but more uncertain than ever. And as I walk the path of Esportia all I can see is the towering giant Looming overhead Like the powerhouse they are. Their Kingdom has surpassed, no, encompassed most of the land of Esportia now. They lead the way. They control the masses. And the worst part? I find that I too have strayed from my homeland. Not to the towering giant....but I no longer am home.
Perhaps one day I, and all of us can find our place...
On September 01 2013 07:28 ZAiNs wrote: If the next proleague is actually the last I will be so upset... League of Legends killing eSports...
I think you mean growing esports back into the greatness it once was at its height in Korea, and perhaps even more than that. Last night's OGN finals was one of the best things I've watched in a long time.
On September 01 2013 07:28 ZAiNs wrote: If the next proleague is actually the last I will be so upset... League of Legends killing eSports...
I think you mean growing esports back into the greatness it once was at its height in Korea, and perhaps even more than that. Last night's OGN finals was one of the best things I've watched in a long time.
I'm not so sure why everyone is doomsaying sc2 in general because of the possibility of kespa falling out. We always knew it was a possibility. SC2 was fine before Kespa. Everybody said they were going to dominate at sc2 because there structure and skill was so much higher, but they failed. Now they look to LoL for eSports. If they transitioned to SC2 and did bad what would you expect them to do? It will live on now because we have a huge foriegn scene that BW never really had. BW lasted 10 years and sc2 has been around only for 3 years.
On September 01 2013 08:52 FoxShine wrote: I'm not so sure why everyone is doomsaying sc2 in general because of the possibility of kespa falling out. We always knew it was a possibility. SC2 was fine before Kespa. Everybody said they were going to dominate at sc2 because there structure and skill was so much higher, but they failed. Now they look to LoL for eSports. If they transitioned to SC2 and did bad what would you expect them to do? It will live on now because we have a huge foriegn scene that BW never really had. BW lasted 10 years and sc2 has been around only for 3 years.
Yes.
Finally someone who uses some fucking logic and comes to the inevitable conclusion that I did.
On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote: I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic?
You can be a fan and understand the way the world is.
There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation. Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW.
No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL
Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2
And now they have LOL.
I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal.
The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well.
Yes, it's popular, but Age of Empires is also popular in Russia ladders and that game is still not alive. E-sports need profits, need new bloods,the Kespa got a great deal of trouble before they switched to SC2. And SC2 simply did not save them, but LOL did. So the BW will never be like before, perhaps Bisu or someone else might go back and play SSL But is that really a "benefit"? Just not totally dead. Just it. Imagine If you give these two games (BW, LOL) to one hundred teenage boys wo used to love SC2. Are you expecting them to choose BW if Bisu go back and playing? No, that's least likely to happen. Most of them will choose LOL for sure. The death( I don't think SC2 is dead, but I will use this word here) of SC2 can do nothing beneficial to BW, Perhaps one or two boy used to choose SC2 may turn back to BW( The other 99 go to LOL for sure) The so called "increasing popularity"compares nothing to the great loss of Starcraft series.you are killing one game alive by a dead game, that is all. Young men will not go to see BW if SC2 dies. Sponsors will not support BW if SC2 dies. They will are turn to LOL, or dota2( But I don't think dota2 has enough market in Korea)
No matter now bad the SC2 is ,it is still the greatest e-sport game after BW And now u guys trying to kill it, and believe BW will resurrect by the death of its inheritor. While in fact the only one can be benefited is MOBA game. (I'm not saying they are bad, but definitely they are more like pure game not e-sports) How pity.
Surprisingly smart post for a post count of 40.
I am no expert but I think this is quite reasonable. After the age of 3D graphics 2D is just too painful for 99% of the people.
On September 01 2013 02:27 paradoxOO9 wrote: I'm confused, how are "fans" of this game so damn pessimistic?
You can be a fan and understand the way the world is.
There's a difference between being a fan, and being a blind fanboy, maybe people can just accept the reality of the situation. Or maybe they are OK with SC2, but prefer BW, and bad things for SC2 have the potential to benefit BW.
No, the only one can get benefit from this is LOL
Admit it, Kespa will never go back to BW, if they can have the profit from BW, they would never join SC2
And now they have LOL.
I still have some hope for the BW revival after/if the majority of top players switches back. If someone like Bisu was to go back and a couple more players, I think it would be a pretty big deal.
The game is still quite popular and SSL is growing in popularity as well.
Yes, it's popular, but Age of Empires is also popular in Russia ladders and that game is still not alive. E-sports need profits, need new bloods,the Kespa got a great deal of trouble before they switched to SC2. And SC2 simply did not save them, but LOL did. So the BW will never be like before, perhaps Bisu or someone else might go back and play SSL But is that really a "benefit"? Just not totally dead. Just it. Imagine If you give these two games (BW, LOL) to one hundred teenage boys wo used to love SC2. Are you expecting them to choose BW if Bisu go back and playing? No, that's least likely to happen. Most of them will choose LOL for sure. The death( I don't think SC2 is dead, but I will use this word here) of SC2 can do nothing beneficial to BW, Perhaps one or two boy used to choose SC2 may turn back to BW( The other 99 go to LOL for sure) The so called "increasing popularity"compares nothing to the great loss of Starcraft series.you are killing one game alive by a dead game, that is all. Young men will not go to see BW if SC2 dies. Sponsors will not support BW if SC2 dies. They will are turn to LOL, or dota2( But I don't think dota2 has enough market in Korea)
No matter now bad the SC2 is ,it is still the greatest e-sport game after BW And now u guys trying to kill it, and believe BW will resurrect by the death of its inheritor. While in fact the only one can be benefited is MOBA game. (I'm not saying they are bad, but definitely they are more like pure game not e-sports) How pity.
Surprisingly smart post for a post count of 40.
I am no expert but I think this is quite reasonable. After the age of 3D graphics 2D is just too painful for 99% of the people.
lols he did make a great point but what does post count have to do with anything lol you can be smart if you have 1 or 234345 just an odd thing to point out
As IncontroL calls these 'sky is falling' threads, I forgot to unsubscribe from the thread after I dropped a reply making fun of the thread for the beautifully crafted and humorously dramatic introductory post.
I remember not too long ago hearing a group of four knowledgeable, professional gentlemen discussing the fate of a community filled with negativity - let's instead enjoy some good products that were placed out there and let the scene develop as it will. Regardless of what opinions exist in this forum today, LotV is going to come out, balance changes will happen for years, and then things will stabilize - let's talk about the future of eSports and SC2 in relation when we get to that point.
Same reason why my doc wouldn't recommend laser eye surgery for me when I was 19, but I can now - they were still changing, no point in surgically correcting something that was just gonna change after anyway (because I can afford it with all of the money in winnings I got from IPL5. SHIT I LET A CAT OUT OF THE SUITCASE!)
Let's think positively and contribute ideas and talk about great stuff - the balance of positive/negative posts on reddit/TL is getting so far over to the Dark Side that + Show Spoiler +
eSports Dooms Doomsday Prophets are the actual antagonist in Star Wars 7.
On September 01 2013 07:28 ZAiNs wrote: If the next proleague is actually the last I will be so upset... League of Legends killing eSports...
I think you mean growing esports back into the greatness it once was at its height in Korea, and perhaps even more than that. Last night's OGN finals was one of the best things I've watched in a long time.