WCS site announces GGtracker integration, all WCS replays…

On August 31 2013 06:16 Elroi wrote:
wtf? doesn't this hurt the best players big time by letting others study them too much?

On August 31 2013 06:16 Elroi wrote:
wtf? doesn't this hurt the best players big time by letting others study them too much?

On August 31 2013 06:32 HomeWorld wrote:
Really nice feature but it still needs some tweaking. (to be able to view both video and stats without zooming or go fullscreen)

On August 31 2013 06:19 Plansix wrote:

Its just like swapping practice recordings in american football. The information is out there, doing it this way it just a cleaner way of getting it.

On August 31 2013 06:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:


which is against the rules in the NFL and sparked a monster investigation into the New England Patriots

which then later resulted in the largest fine in league history against a coach and the loss of a 1st round draft pick.

these NFL football analogies are good for a friday afternoon laugh though.
thanks for that.

Additionally Blizzard has released all replays from WCS Season 1 and 2

On August 31 2013 08:01 Existor wrote:
How to watch replays without relogging and logging again and again?

On August 31 2013 08:28 ReboundEU wrote:
Does this work for other replays on their site? or the integration is strictly on the WCS website?

I would love to see them incorporate this for all replays :o

On August 31 2013 08:34 Charlie.Sheen wrote:

Don't like this. SC2 replay includes too much information, players will feel like they are naked while playing.

On August 31 2013 06:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:


which is against the rules in the NFL and sparked a monster investigation into the New England Patriots

which then later resulted in the largest fine in league history against a coach and the loss of a 1st round draft pick.

these NFL football analogies are good for a friday afternoon laugh though.
thanks for that.

On August 31 2013 08:34 Charlie.Sheen wrote:

Don't like this. SC2 replay includes too much information, players will feel like they are naked while playing.

On August 31 2013 08:52 Waxangel wrote:
yah, the thing is with pop counters and the production tab, you can get a build order 100% down really easily just from a VOD

I think we dissected the TAiLS DT drop expand perfectly in like 2 views

On August 31 2013 09:09 Noocta wrote:


In my opinion it's better that way.

On August 31 2013 12:06 tshi wrote:

Yeah, hopefully people start changing their play more often if it's figured out sooner. It may make for less polished builds as they'll have to keep changing them, but I think I like that idea more than watching robots play builds.

On August 31 2013 12:43 forumtext wrote:


Imagine you are <insert-your-SC2-hero>, how would you feel when that build you've spend days/weeks perfecting was mercilessly dissected with the click of a button?

This could also potentially affect the quality of all WCS matches in the future. If this is only limited to WCS then we might start to see pros hiding their builds from WCS game all together and play purely in a reactional based game. For 'most' pros, it's the regular leagues that pays your wage, not your placement in WCS.

On August 31 2013 13:23 negativedge wrote:


if you show a build in a televised match, it can already be "mecilessly dissected with the click of a button." this just makes it easier. the real benefit is to people who aren't in team houses, ie. almost everyone who plays the game.

On August 31 2013 13:40 LOcDowN wrote:
Revealing replays to the public only enhances the competition and make everything better all-around within the competitive spirit that drives e-sport. I'm in full support of it!

On August 31 2013 13:46 Snijjer wrote:


That's exactly right.

With more access to replays more players can study and get better, which causes the over skill level to go up, which makes what the people at the top are doing much more impressive.

Increasing the skill level makes a SC2 match more of a show.

On August 31 2013 09:05 negativedge wrote:


that was practice. the NFL itself records every game from the All-22 angles and makes all of those tapes available to every team. they have done this for decades. starting two years ago, that film was made available to fans as well (if you pay for it). I can look at any play from any game played last year from either broadcast angles or coaches angles. if you run it in a game, it is available for literally every one to look at to prepare for you and to get better. this is a great thing for pros, not a bad thing.

On August 31 2013 15:15 Schism wrote:
Complaining about the replay release is sheer elitism. People want e-sports to be taken seriously like other sports? In any other sport, on game day you are open to the highest level of scrutiny and analysis

Someone can watch Flash replays until they're blue in the face, but they won't ever be a threat to him unless they can attain his APM, game sense, decision making, timing, it goes on and on. It might make the viewer 10 or 20% better in the long run though. That is a good thing.

On August 31 2013 13:43 forumtext wrote:


Yes this is great news for all the fans out there, but bad news for the pros. It would be interesting to see what the pros really have to say about this.

edit: It seems that the Chinese fans too are having mixed feeling about the mass release of replays.

On August 31 2013 06:08 Greendotz wrote:
This is pretty damn cool actually. Really good to see Blizzard more willing to work with third parties

On August 31 2013 14:29 StarStruck wrote:


The bane of replays is the game revolutionizes much quicker. In other words, players catch up quicker. BW was much better without them. Sorry, but it's true. People could still study the VODs and what have you but there were a number of things we could keep hush, hush and the creativity of the players shined through. If you want to slow things down and give the great players the spotlight longer you would second guess the whole replay resolve.

On August 31 2013 16:06 liberate71 wrote:


Basically what youre saying is that the slowing of the metagame is a good thing. I can see your point of view, but I think that the metagame advancing and people having to develop a wider array of strategies/builds/gameplans to be successful is far superior than trying to delay the evolution of the game to avoid people 'catching up'.

It's like PC/phone technology. I'd much rather we had <X> technology now, rather than a company already having the technology, but slowly releasing it in phases over 5 years so everyone has to keep buying their shit and they cash in.

Truly great players should be able to stay with/ahead of the curve regardless of how fast it advances. If someone has worked out some build that proves successful, they shouldn't be able to ride the coat-tails of it for ages until someone eventually figures it out. The faster it gets figured out (with the release of replays), then the faster the game advances, and we will have better games, and less 1 sided stomps.

It also means the potential one-hit wonders wont be as prominent, and people who show strong periods of dominance will prevail (ie Mvp) it's not like Mvp knew a secret that noone else knew, he was just able to adapt/work with nearly everything that was thrown at him as he was better prepared.

Giving more players that opportunity can only be a good thing in the big picture.

On August 31 2013 19:23 cutler wrote:
without reading all the posts on the thread...let me guess...Blizzards gets alot of hate as always.
I think it is a brilliant idea! Thank you Blizzard!

On August 31 2013 16:01 RyLai wrote:


+1

Now, does this take away MLG's reason to refuse to release replays because they contain "information that allows you to DDOS players"? Because honestly, I thought that was bullshit from day 1. This means Blizzard either fixed that, or nobody gives enough of a shit because they got the replays from OSL and GSL! I don't think they were ever required to forcefully send replays to Blizzard so Blizzard could eventually backstab them by releasing their precious replays to the world. I'm pretty sure KeSpa and eSF are cool with this.

On August 31 2013 19:56 Lonyo wrote:

"Are cool with".
Blizzard now basically has control over all major competition in AM and Korea, so they have to accept it, pretty much.

The release does indicate they have discussed with players regarding concerns, so it's not like a unilateral moved forced on them by Blizzard, but you have to consider that Blizzard is in charge of WCS, essentially, and hence players don't really have a lot of choice. If they don't want to have replays released, they basically cannot compete in WCS, so even if eSF/Kespa didn't agree it wouldn't necessarily matter.

On August 31 2013 14:29 StarStruck wrote:


The bane of replays is the game revolutionizes much quicker. In other words, players catch up quicker. BW was much better without them. Sorry, but it's true. People could still study the VODs and what have you but there were a number of things we could keep hush, hush and the creativity of the players shined through. If you want to slow things down and give the great players the spotlight longer you would second guess the whole replay resolve.

On September 01 2013 00:46 larse wrote:
The Korean teams are very angry right now. Blizzard didnt ask them about the release of replays.

On September 01 2013 00:38 Nebuchad wrote:
I need to download this fast before I wake up

Also I think there were some code A matches that weren't broadcasted, right? Time to see those as well o///

Edit: I don't want to sound ungrateful, because I'm truly not at all, but the pack lacks a ton of replays from season 1 Korea. Are the other matches lost?