I feel a little sorry for pro gamers like Flash. I am sure he enjoys sc2, but maybe not enough to dedicate himself to the game like he did with bw. Thing is there are currently no other RTS games to turn to at a pro level, meaning he would have to probably switch to a MOBA to stay as a pro gamer and that would surely be a disappointment in some regards for an uber skilled player such as Flash.
When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out.
And then go to reddit where the next flavor of the week "omg Forcefields and Warpgates" - thread is running berserk.
The thread was started because of Flash's statement, fyi.
On August 20 2013 01:08 Big J wrote: It's funny to read that part:
When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out.
And then go to reddit where the next flavor of the week "omg Forcefields and Warpgates" - thread is running berserk.
The thread was started because of Flash's statement, fyi.
yeah, I know the thread starts like that. But never says what about the Flash interview made him think that Protoss is shit designed. I mean, Flash basically says he likes how Protoss is being played.
On August 20 2013 01:08 Big J wrote: It's funny to read that part:
When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out.
And then go to reddit where the next flavor of the week "omg Forcefields and Warpgates" - thread is running berserk.
The thread was started because of Flash's statement, fyi.
Yes, but we don't need to feed into it. Just because a progamer says another race is powerful does not mean that it is fact. Protoss are on the upswing, but that doesn't mean that they are going to be amazing forever. If you listened to Meta this week with artotsis, Terrans are already trying new shit against them.
On August 20 2013 01:08 Big J wrote: It's funny to read that part:
When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out.
And then go to reddit where the next flavor of the week "omg Forcefields and Warpgates" - thread is running berserk.
The thread was started because of Flash's statement, fyi.
Yes, but we don't need to feed into it. Just because a progamer says another race is powerful does not mean that it is fact. Protoss are on the upswing, but that doesn't mean that they are going to be amazing forever. If you listened to Meta this week with artotsis, Terrans are already trying new shit against them.
On August 19 2013 13:59 Wildmoon wrote: What's funny is in BW, it was always mech except for TvZ but Flash said there was a choice. -_-"
Like many people I don't know much about BroodWar strategies, so it's your word against Flash word to us. In order to fully understand what chance your word stands against his when it comes to BroodWar, you must first understand a thing or two about quantum mechanics and Planck length. From wikipedia: "the Planck length is so many orders of magnitude smaller than any current instrument could possibly measure..."
There are also many people here who did follow BW though and they would confirm that bio was only really used against Zerg in BW. It is alright to be sceptical because many people on here don't know what they are talking about but this one is right this time.
On August 20 2013 00:06 eurTsItniH wrote: Speaking of Flash, why isn't there a thread on TL about him beginning to stream very soon? I saw the thread on reddit, but I assumed it would've made it over here aswell!
On August 20 2013 01:08 Big J wrote: It's funny to read that part:
When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out.
And then go to reddit where the next flavor of the week "omg Forcefields and Warpgates" - thread is running berserk.
The thread was started because of Flash's statement, fyi.
Yes, but we don't need to feed into it. Just because a progamer says another race is powerful does not mean that it is fact. Protoss are on the upswing, but that doesn't mean that they are going to be amazing forever. If you listened to Meta this week with artotsis, Terrans are already trying new shit against them.
What new shit? You mean the shit called mech?
Why don't you go listen to Meta from last week and you can hear all about it? They discuss the change in the meta at lenght.
On August 20 2013 00:06 eurTsItniH wrote: Speaking of Flash, why isn't there a thread on TL about him beginning to stream very soon? I saw the thread on reddit, but I assumed it would've made it over here aswell!
On August 20 2013 01:08 Big J wrote: It's funny to read that part:
When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out.
And then go to reddit where the next flavor of the week "omg Forcefields and Warpgates" - thread is running berserk.
The thread was started because of Flash's statement, fyi.
Yes, but we don't need to feed into it. Just because a progamer says another race is powerful does not mean that it is fact. Protoss are on the upswing, but that doesn't mean that they are going to be amazing forever. If you listened to Meta this week with artotsis, Terrans are already trying new shit against them.
What new shit? You mean the shit called mech?
Why don't you go listen to Meta from last week and you can hear all about it? They discuss the change in the meta at lenght.
So you mean the different builds and timings of MMMVG right?
On August 20 2013 01:08 Big J wrote: It's funny to read that part:
When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out.
And then go to reddit where the next flavor of the week "omg Forcefields and Warpgates" - thread is running berserk.
The thread was started because of Flash's statement, fyi.
Yes, but we don't need to feed into it. Just because a progamer says another race is powerful does not mean that it is fact. Protoss are on the upswing, but that doesn't mean that they are going to be amazing forever. If you listened to Meta this week with artotsis, Terrans are already trying new shit against them.
What new shit? You mean the shit called mech?
Why don't you go listen to Meta from last week and you can hear all about it? They discuss the change in the meta at lenght.
So you mean the different builds and timings of MMMVG right?
I think they discussed how Korean Terrans are considering 3CC openings safe these days.
On August 20 2013 01:08 Big J wrote: It's funny to read that part:
When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out.
And then go to reddit where the next flavor of the week "omg Forcefields and Warpgates" - thread is running berserk.
The thread was started because of Flash's statement, fyi.
Yes, but we don't need to feed into it. Just because a progamer says another race is powerful does not mean that it is fact. Protoss are on the upswing, but that doesn't mean that they are going to be amazing forever. If you listened to Meta this week with artotsis, Terrans are already trying new shit against them.
What new shit? You mean the shit called mech?
Why don't you go listen to Meta from last week and you can hear all about it? They discuss the change in the meta at lenght.
So you mean the different builds and timings of MMMVG right?
It was a 15 minute discussion about openings and what is safe and what the new openings are and how protoss will respond. But yes, it was not about the new glorious return of mech, if that is what you are asking.
On August 20 2013 01:08 Big J wrote: It's funny to read that part:
When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out.
And then go to reddit where the next flavor of the week "omg Forcefields and Warpgates" - thread is running berserk.
The thread was started because of Flash's statement, fyi.
Yes, but we don't need to feed into it. Just because a progamer says another race is powerful does not mean that it is fact. Protoss are on the upswing, but that doesn't mean that they are going to be amazing forever. If you listened to Meta this week with artotsis, Terrans are already trying new shit against them.
What new shit? You mean the shit called mech?
Why don't you go listen to Meta from last week and you can hear all about it? They discuss the change in the meta at lenght.
So you mean the different builds and timings of MMMVG right?
It was a 15 minute discussion about openings and what is safe and what the new openings are and how protoss will respond. But yes, it was not about the new glorious return of mech, if that is what you are asking.
I think I watched that. Maybe I was expecting "new shit" means something really new. I guess you may think 3CC is a really new thing.
On August 20 2013 01:08 Big J wrote: It's funny to read that part:
When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out.
And then go to reddit where the next flavor of the week "omg Forcefields and Warpgates" - thread is running berserk.
The thread was started because of Flash's statement, fyi.
Yes, but we don't need to feed into it. Just because a progamer says another race is powerful does not mean that it is fact. Protoss are on the upswing, but that doesn't mean that they are going to be amazing forever. If you listened to Meta this week with artotsis, Terrans are already trying new shit against them.
What new shit? You mean the shit called mech?
Why don't you go listen to Meta from last week and you can hear all about it? They discuss the change in the meta at lenght.
So you mean the different builds and timings of MMMVG right?
I think they discussed how Korean Terrans are considering 3CC openings safe these days.
With MC in Europe I guess there's no-one left to 6gate immortal all-in them into oblivion.
On August 20 2013 02:18 Swift118 wrote: I feel a little sorry for pro gamers like Flash. I am sure he enjoys sc2, but maybe not enough to dedicate himself to the game like he did with bw. Thing is there are currently no other RTS games to turn to at a pro level, meaning he would have to probably switch to a MOBA to stay as a pro gamer and that would surely be a disappointment in some regards for an uber skilled player such as Flash.
I'm pretty sure Flash is already disappointed in some regards with SC2 because he is an uber skilled player. If anything, MOBAs might reignite some of his passion because he has to work as a team. He might even find passion in being a coach, or switching to the BW amateur scene.
It seems to me a lot of people disregard how much strategy is truly involved in MOBA games.
On August 20 2013 01:08 Big J wrote: It's funny to read that part:
When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out.
And then go to reddit where the next flavor of the week "omg Forcefields and Warpgates" - thread is running berserk.
The thread was started because of Flash's statement, fyi.
Yes, but we don't need to feed into it. Just because a progamer says another race is powerful does not mean that it is fact. Protoss are on the upswing, but that doesn't mean that they are going to be amazing forever. If you listened to Meta this week with artotsis, Terrans are already trying new shit against them.
What new shit? You mean the shit called mech?
Why don't you go listen to Meta from last week and you can hear all about it? They discuss the change in the meta at lenght.
So you mean the different builds and timings of MMMVG right?
I think they discussed how Korean Terrans are considering 3CC openings safe these days.
With MC in Europe I guess there's no-one left to 6gate immortal all-in them into oblivion.
Well, what did you expect when the only SC2's OSL back-to-back finalist does 3 gate immortal all-in. EDIT: on interview: dammit, poor Flash EDIT2: Another note: sometimes i start to feel like most KeSPA players feel like Terran in BW(*hint*Classic*hint*) = Toss in SC2 and so is Toss in BW (*cough*Bisu*cough*)=Terran in SC2.
On August 20 2013 01:08 Big J wrote: It's funny to read that part:
When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out.
And then go to reddit where the next flavor of the week "omg Forcefields and Warpgates" - thread is running berserk.
The thread was started because of Flash's statement, fyi.
Yes, but we don't need to feed into it. Just because a progamer says another race is powerful does not mean that it is fact. Protoss are on the upswing, but that doesn't mean that they are going to be amazing forever. If you listened to Meta this week with artotsis, Terrans are already trying new shit against them.
What new shit? You mean the shit called mech?
Why don't you go listen to Meta from last week and you can hear all about it? They discuss the change in the meta at lenght.
So you mean the different builds and timings of MMMVG right?
I think they discussed how Korean Terrans are considering 3CC openings safe these days.
With MC in Europe I guess there's no-one left to 6gate immortal all-in them into oblivion.
Its just the standard shift in the meta from aggression, followed by safe builds from the defender stopping most aggression and then the aggressive players moving to more greedy builds. It will always be like that and I am sure the protoss will figure out awesome ways to punish the greedy 3 cc openers when they scout them after a while.
On August 19 2013 13:59 Wildmoon wrote: What's funny is in BW, it was always mech except for TvZ but Flash said there was a choice. -_-"
Deep Six. There's always a choice.
Deep Six...... nah... let's do the Bio Mech push . Seriously I miss flash playing broodwar and no matter what games he play right now I would spiritually support you . Still looking at flash comments about sc2 not being so versatile as broodwar was is kind of enlightening for me maybe some one will listen now.
damn, that must be hell to pull off and to hold as well. I honestly can't see many players other than Flash being able to biomech against someone with that reaver control either. He almost broke through that but lost the reaver. Bio is difficult in TvP in BW but to some degree, it's still possible. On the other hand, mech is the way to go in TvT and TvP.
I have to say that I'm kinda disappointed that mech isn't possible in TvZ in SCII. I used to enjoy bio play but it feels so bland nowadays lol. The ability to switch from bio to mech and change up your style in BW is something I've always loved to see and it opens up so many varieties in the game. As for Flash, I wish he would just switch to protoss already. The race suits him more seeing as how he loves the defensive style. LOL at the ruler comment and sadly, I feel that he doesn't enjoy SCII as much as he did BW. Hopefully, he starts enjoys the game soon!
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