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Interview of Flash on LoL, BW, Mech, Ruler & Girl - Page 10

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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 19 2013 14:24 GMT
#181
On August 19 2013 19:29 Sabu113 wrote:
Aaah It was Bisu Flash. At the time I don't think it was revealed who was who until after the match happened.



Could swear there's also older matches where Flash played a PvT as protoss and was ridiculously good.

I think limited mobility mech is more interesting than hyper dps hyper mobile bio.


That's because Blizzard completely fucked up the tradeoff between mobility and power. Armies with limited mobility should be able to trade efficiently with more mobile armies since you have to split them all over the map. Mobile armies are just way too powerful for the entirety of the game's lifespan. I followed SC2 from the moment it was revealed and it seemed almost every other unit they introduced was something that can counter the siege tank by being A-moved into it. The lurker was just removed straight up.

In many ways, terran is actually the zerg race of SC2. It's difficult for the more famous players to switch races since they have already established a reputation and a fanbase with their race.
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
August 19 2013 14:33 GMT
#182
excellent interview, thanks!

sigh, feel bad for flash. david kim just sees things a lot differently from him in terms of the direction the gameplay of sc2 is going. i wish he'd just switch to protoss if it'll make things better. i'm sure the fans will still be fans even if he did this. i know i'll be
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
August 19 2013 14:43 GMT
#183
On August 19 2013 22:42 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 13:59 Wildmoon wrote:
What's funny is in BW, it was always mech except for TvZ but Flash said there was a choice. -_-"

Deep Six. There's always a choice.



That is an all-in, no way in hell you play bio in a longer game against protoss.
And in SC2 you can do mech all-ins too against protoss.
...
HerrHorst
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany140 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 14:51:17
August 19 2013 14:50 GMT
#184
On August 19 2013 23:14 purakushi wrote:
BW is awesome because although there are "soft" counters, every unit has a high skill cap that allows the players to overcome these differences.

I am sad that Flash is held back by SC2. Despite him saying he will play for another 4 years, I hope he retires and plays BW again. He misses BW and obviously is not enjoying SC2. This is not going to change once he starts winning tournaments.

I have to thank SC2 for slowly revitalising BW.

Also, LoL is a good game.


I think I have discovered a long hidden scientific revelation: BW-Fans can read the minds of players and exactly tell if they enjoy a game or not.

Have you ever considered working for the NSA? Who needs Prism when you have telepaths.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 19 2013 14:52 GMT
#185
On August 19 2013 22:42 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 13:59 Wildmoon wrote:
What's funny is in BW, it was always mech except for TvZ but Flash said there was a choice. -_-"

Deep Six. There's always a choice.


Deep Six...... nah... let's do the Bio Mech push . Seriously I miss flash playing broodwar and no matter what games he play right now I would spiritually support you . Still looking at flash comments about sc2 not being so versatile as broodwar was is kind of enlightening for me maybe some one will listen now.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
August 19 2013 15:04 GMT
#186
On August 19 2013 23:43 Ace Frehley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 22:42 BisuDagger wrote:
On August 19 2013 13:59 Wildmoon wrote:
What's funny is in BW, it was always mech except for TvZ but Flash said there was a choice. -_-"

Deep Six. There's always a choice.

And in SC2 you can do mech all-ins too against protoss.

Which ones ?
eurTsItniH
Profile Joined January 2012
887 Posts
August 19 2013 15:06 GMT
#187
Speaking of Flash, why isn't there a thread on TL about him beginning to stream very soon? I saw the thread on reddit, but I assumed it would've made it over here aswell!
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 19 2013 15:14 GMT
#188
On August 20 2013 00:06 eurTsItniH wrote:
Speaking of Flash, why isn't there a thread on TL about him beginning to stream very soon? I saw the thread on reddit, but I assumed it would've made it over here aswell!

It's fairly old news.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418983
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
August 19 2013 15:33 GMT
#189
Seems like he is very frustrated with the game. :/
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19363 Posts
August 19 2013 15:34 GMT
#190
On August 19 2013 23:52 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 22:42 BisuDagger wrote:
On August 19 2013 13:59 Wildmoon wrote:
What's funny is in BW, it was always mech except for TvZ but Flash said there was a choice. -_-"

Deep Six. There's always a choice.


Deep Six...... nah... let's do the Bio Mech push . Seriously I miss flash playing broodwar and no matter what games he play right now I would spiritually support you . Still looking at flash comments about sc2 not being so versatile as broodwar was is kind of enlightening for me maybe some one will listen now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvKI6wIzzsQ

Deep six is bio mechish.

On August 19 2013 23:43 Ace Frehley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 22:42 BisuDagger wrote:
On August 19 2013 13:59 Wildmoon wrote:
What's funny is in BW, it was always mech except for TvZ but Flash said there was a choice. -_-"

Deep Six. There's always a choice.



That is an all-in, no way in hell you play bio in a longer game against protoss.
And in SC2 you can do mech all-ins too against protoss.

I think Ace doesn't get jokes or thinks I don't know BW very well.
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rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 15:43:31
August 19 2013 15:40 GMT
#191
On August 19 2013 17:07 lichter wrote:
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On August 19 2013 17:03 rd wrote:
On August 19 2013 16:51 lichter wrote:
On August 19 2013 16:37 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 19 2013 16:27 lichter wrote:
On August 19 2013 16:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
I hope Flash doesn't give up the Mech fight, he's one of the few pros I know of that are vocal about the issue of wanting Mech back for Terran.

Very few pros have the kind of influence he does, maybe if he keeps voicing that opinion the devs might rethink their unilateral stance of wanting to keep Mech irrelevant.


Not enough pros use or try mech on a big stage to draw attention to it. Yeah Bomber tried it on Rain on OSL but it was pretty bad and no one thought it would work (I guess that is the problem with it). When was the last time mech was a real, promising option in a non TvT matchup? Mvp vs Life?


The fact none of them are using it should be evidence enough shouldn't it? Especially when in Flash's case they WANT to?

These are guys that are playing to win with money on the line, they aren't going to use a strategy on televised games that they aren't absolutely confident in. I can be sure that nearly every Terran pro at some point has tried meching in practice or on the ladder. Saying, "well we don't know it's weak unless they use it where we can see it." is a dumb argument.


Not sure why you are arguing with me. I said not enough pros have tried it, thus not a lot of negative attention. Not that we have lack of evidence. Mech lacks attention.

Basically I am saying "we knew Bomber was dumb for using mech vs Rain because everyone knows it doesn't work" and "no one has used mech non TvT since Mvp, and that reveals something of a problem (that no one has used it since)", not that we don't have enough evidence -_-''


The negative attention is in them not using it. I'm pretty sure the other poster is correct to argue that its pretty silly a Terran player might play mech like as if it were a public statement to draw attention to mech with money on the line.


Yes it is negative attention not to use it. But is it enough?

Blizz and anti-Terran fans will always point to the "we haven't seen people use it how can we know it's bad" argument, and point at winrates.

Yes I know those aren't good arguments. But mech buffs will have a hard time receiving popular backing as long as Terran keeps winning without mech and people can still make the above argument.


But we know that the anti-Terran fans who actually try to argue "we don't see mech" are genuinely dumb and short sighted. Every time one rears its head it gets shot down. I have a hard time believing that Blizzard is holding back on buffing mech for reasons that primarily revolve around reading those arguments on the cesspool of the battle net forums. That would have to imply serious incompetence -- more so than people like to casually throw around because their/x race is up/op. I'm inclined to say it's more likely that Blizzard is either being extremely cautious about not breaking a match-up, or they just dont want to see mech being equally viable.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 15:55:19
August 19 2013 15:54 GMT
#192
On August 19 2013 23:50 HerrHorst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 23:14 purakushi wrote:
BW is awesome because although there are "soft" counters, every unit has a high skill cap that allows the players to overcome these differences.

I am sad that Flash is held back by SC2. Despite him saying he will play for another 4 years, I hope he retires and plays BW again. He misses BW and obviously is not enjoying SC2. This is not going to change once he starts winning tournaments.

I have to thank SC2 for slowly revitalising BW.

Also, LoL is a good game.


I think I have discovered a long hidden scientific revelation: BW-Fans can read the minds of players and exactly tell if they enjoy a game or not.

Have you ever considered working for the NSA? Who needs Prism when you have telepaths.


I think it is pretty clear from the interview that Flash does not enjoy SC2. At the very least, he explicitly stated he misses BW and his regret about playing SC2 Terran. He continues to play by "accepting the reality" of not doing as well in SC2 and the poor state of SC2/Terran gameplay.
T P Z sagi
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 19 2013 16:08 GMT
#193
It's funny to read that part:
When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out.


And then go to reddit where the next flavor of the week "omg Forcefields and Warpgates" - thread is running berserk.
Bluejava
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden135 Posts
August 19 2013 16:11 GMT
#194
When I saw the rulers from my fans, I realized for the first time that there are so many kinds of rulers. Sometimes I receive 5-6 rulers everyday. And they are all different.


Never laughed so much! Epic quote !
"I've learned one thing for sure: Life is random and chaotic. Trying to put things into a pattern will only temporarily solve the problem. Once you embrace the madness, it will stop feeling overwhelming."
iyasq8
Profile Joined December 2012
113 Posts
August 19 2013 16:11 GMT
#195
On August 19 2013 13:50 insectoidform wrote:
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On August 19 2013 13:48 larse wrote:
On August 19 2013 13:47 insectoidform wrote:
How can flash think he has the same skill in LoL as he does in sc2? In LoL there 100+ champions to pick from while in sc2 there are 3 races. The amount of strategies that are employed in that game will never be understood by someone that plays a 1v1.


You read it wrong. It's the interviewer who says that

He might as well have said it because the interviewer said so. If you tackle someone on a basketball court, the team suffers because a player gets a penalty. If this game is to be taken seriously as an E-sport and be on the level of basketball he will have to take the penalty for the interviewer will he not?

He might as well have said it because the interviewer said so. If you tackle someone on a basketball court, the team suffers because a player gets a penalty. If this game is to be taken seriously as an E-sport and be on the level of basketball he will have to take the penalty for the interviewer will he not?[/QUOTE]
another retard who doesnt wanna admit that he was stupid..
Piece
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 19 2013 16:13 GMT
#196
Interesting to see how much he feels SC2 Protoss is like BW Terran.

Thanks for the translation.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
August 19 2013 16:54 GMT
#197
When I think about it last night, the reason that Flash says mech should be improved in two occasions (he said that in the other interview) is that frontal combat is more of his style than harassment. But SC2's Terran is almost entirely based on harassment such as drop and multifront attack. Flash basically can't play his game, though he is still very good.
Eggi
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
478 Posts
August 19 2013 16:56 GMT
#198
I feel this article is what IdrA has been echoing for years.
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
August 19 2013 17:00 GMT
#199
On August 19 2013 21:48 YyapSsap wrote:
Im not going to lie. Although there are no data to back up my claim, I reckon about half the fan base playing this game is playing because its "starcraft". Theres no other alternative RTS to jump ship to since games like dota/LoL aren't in that genre (1v1v ladder is where the game is at! ).

Like someone already mentioned, I feel as if most pro players find this game not fun at all and are playing because its their "job". The game does look shiny indeed.. but if you put it under a microscope.. or hell put your glasses on the game itself is one dimensional with primitive "countering" system that favors aggression over defense while promoting "action" over "strategy" in a god damn RTS game.

edit - for the love of god, water down the hard counters, bring back mech (positional play not some A-move thors/hellbats) so that 70% of the units in SC2 can actually become part of the metagame already /smh. Almost all the units not used are actually counters to the siege tank haha what a design mess.


You aren't wrong I reckon, I only pay sc2 because I have literally no other decent 1v1 alternative, now that I have hearthstone I haven't touched sc2 in a while. Blizzard really needs to step up and improve this game but we all know they won't.

Maybe we should all just go back to BW they still have some tournaments going on and the game is still fun, maybe if Blizzard sees people going back to bw they will capitalise on it and make lotv more bw sequence.
DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
August 19 2013 17:03 GMT
#200
Well he needs a ruler sponser so
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