On August 19 2013 19:29 Sabu113 wrote: Aaah It was Bisu Flash. At the time I don't think it was revealed who was who until after the match happened.
Could swear there's also older matches where Flash played a PvT as protoss and was ridiculously good.
I think limited mobility mech is more interesting than hyper dps hyper mobile bio.
That's because Blizzard completely fucked up the tradeoff between mobility and power. Armies with limited mobility should be able to trade efficiently with more mobile armies since you have to split them all over the map. Mobile armies are just way too powerful for the entirety of the game's lifespan. I followed SC2 from the moment it was revealed and it seemed almost every other unit they introduced was something that can counter the siege tank by being A-moved into it. The lurker was just removed straight up.
In many ways, terran is actually the zerg race of SC2. It's difficult for the more famous players to switch races since they have already established a reputation and a fanbase with their race.
sigh, feel bad for flash. david kim just sees things a lot differently from him in terms of the direction the gameplay of sc2 is going. i wish he'd just switch to protoss if it'll make things better. i'm sure the fans will still be fans even if he did this. i know i'll be
On August 19 2013 23:14 purakushi wrote: BW is awesome because although there are "soft" counters, every unit has a high skill cap that allows the players to overcome these differences.
I am sad that Flash is held back by SC2. Despite him saying he will play for another 4 years, I hope he retires and plays BW again. He misses BW and obviously is not enjoying SC2. This is not going to change once he starts winning tournaments.
I have to thank SC2 for slowly revitalising BW.
Also, LoL is a good game.
I think I have discovered a long hidden scientific revelation: BW-Fans can read the minds of players and exactly tell if they enjoy a game or not.
Have you ever considered working for the NSA? Who needs Prism when you have telepaths.
On August 19 2013 13:59 Wildmoon wrote: What's funny is in BW, it was always mech except for TvZ but Flash said there was a choice. -_-"
Deep Six. There's always a choice.
Deep Six...... nah... let's do the Bio Mech push . Seriously I miss flash playing broodwar and no matter what games he play right now I would spiritually support you . Still looking at flash comments about sc2 not being so versatile as broodwar was is kind of enlightening for me maybe some one will listen now.
Speaking of Flash, why isn't there a thread on TL about him beginning to stream very soon? I saw the thread on reddit, but I assumed it would've made it over here aswell!
On August 20 2013 00:06 eurTsItniH wrote: Speaking of Flash, why isn't there a thread on TL about him beginning to stream very soon? I saw the thread on reddit, but I assumed it would've made it over here aswell!
On August 19 2013 13:59 Wildmoon wrote: What's funny is in BW, it was always mech except for TvZ but Flash said there was a choice. -_-"
Deep Six. There's always a choice.
Deep Six...... nah... let's do the Bio Mech push . Seriously I miss flash playing broodwar and no matter what games he play right now I would spiritually support you . Still looking at flash comments about sc2 not being so versatile as broodwar was is kind of enlightening for me maybe some one will listen now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvKI6wIzzsQ
On August 19 2013 16:15 Vindicare605 wrote: I hope Flash doesn't give up the Mech fight, he's one of the few pros I know of that are vocal about the issue of wanting Mech back for Terran.
Very few pros have the kind of influence he does, maybe if he keeps voicing that opinion the devs might rethink their unilateral stance of wanting to keep Mech irrelevant.
Not enough pros use or try mech on a big stage to draw attention to it. Yeah Bomber tried it on Rain on OSL but it was pretty bad and no one thought it would work (I guess that is the problem with it). When was the last time mech was a real, promising option in a non TvT matchup? Mvp vs Life?
The fact none of them are using it should be evidence enough shouldn't it? Especially when in Flash's case they WANT to?
These are guys that are playing to win with money on the line, they aren't going to use a strategy on televised games that they aren't absolutely confident in. I can be sure that nearly every Terran pro at some point has tried meching in practice or on the ladder. Saying, "well we don't know it's weak unless they use it where we can see it." is a dumb argument.
Not sure why you are arguing with me. I said not enough pros have tried it, thus not a lot of negative attention. Not that we have lack of evidence. Mech lacks attention.
Basically I am saying "we knew Bomber was dumb for using mech vs Rain because everyone knows it doesn't work" and "no one has used mech non TvT since Mvp, and that reveals something of a problem (that no one has used it since)", not that we don't have enough evidence -_-''
The negative attention is in them not using it. I'm pretty sure the other poster is correct to argue that its pretty silly a Terran player might play mech like as if it were a public statement to draw attention to mech with money on the line.
Yes it is negative attention not to use it. But is it enough?
Blizz and anti-Terran fans will always point to the "we haven't seen people use it how can we know it's bad" argument, and point at winrates.
Yes I know those aren't good arguments. But mech buffs will have a hard time receiving popular backing as long as Terran keeps winning without mech and people can still make the above argument.
But we know that the anti-Terran fans who actually try to argue "we don't see mech" are genuinely dumb and short sighted. Every time one rears its head it gets shot down. I have a hard time believing that Blizzard is holding back on buffing mech for reasons that primarily revolve around reading those arguments on the cesspool of the battle net forums. That would have to imply serious incompetence -- more so than people like to casually throw around because their/x race is up/op. I'm inclined to say it's more likely that Blizzard is either being extremely cautious about not breaking a match-up, or they just dont want to see mech being equally viable.
On August 19 2013 23:14 purakushi wrote: BW is awesome because although there are "soft" counters, every unit has a high skill cap that allows the players to overcome these differences.
I am sad that Flash is held back by SC2. Despite him saying he will play for another 4 years, I hope he retires and plays BW again. He misses BW and obviously is not enjoying SC2. This is not going to change once he starts winning tournaments.
I have to thank SC2 for slowly revitalising BW.
Also, LoL is a good game.
I think I have discovered a long hidden scientific revelation: BW-Fans can read the minds of players and exactly tell if they enjoy a game or not.
Have you ever considered working for the NSA? Who needs Prism when you have telepaths.
I think it is pretty clear from the interview that Flash does not enjoy SC2. At the very least, he explicitly stated he misses BW and his regret about playing SC2 Terran. He continues to play by "accepting the reality" of not doing as well in SC2 and the poor state of SC2/Terran gameplay.
When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out.
And then go to reddit where the next flavor of the week "omg Forcefields and Warpgates" - thread is running berserk.
When I saw the rulers from my fans, I realized for the first time that there are so many kinds of rulers. Sometimes I receive 5-6 rulers everyday. And they are all different.
On August 19 2013 13:47 insectoidform wrote: How can flash think he has the same skill in LoL as he does in sc2? In LoL there 100+ champions to pick from while in sc2 there are 3 races. The amount of strategies that are employed in that game will never be understood by someone that plays a 1v1.
You read it wrong. It's the interviewer who says that
He might as well have said it because the interviewer said so. If you tackle someone on a basketball court, the team suffers because a player gets a penalty. If this game is to be taken seriously as an E-sport and be on the level of basketball he will have to take the penalty for the interviewer will he not?
He might as well have said it because the interviewer said so. If you tackle someone on a basketball court, the team suffers because a player gets a penalty. If this game is to be taken seriously as an E-sport and be on the level of basketball he will have to take the penalty for the interviewer will he not?[/QUOTE] another retard who doesnt wanna admit that he was stupid..
When I think about it last night, the reason that Flash says mech should be improved in two occasions (he said that in the other interview) is that frontal combat is more of his style than harassment. But SC2's Terran is almost entirely based on harassment such as drop and multifront attack. Flash basically can't play his game, though he is still very good.
On August 19 2013 21:48 YyapSsap wrote: Im not going to lie. Although there are no data to back up my claim, I reckon about half the fan base playing this game is playing because its "starcraft". Theres no other alternative RTS to jump ship to since games like dota/LoL aren't in that genre (1v1v ladder is where the game is at! ).
Like someone already mentioned, I feel as if most pro players find this game not fun at all and are playing because its their "job". The game does look shiny indeed.. but if you put it under a microscope.. or hell put your glasses on the game itself is one dimensional with primitive "countering" system that favors aggression over defense while promoting "action" over "strategy" in a god damn RTS game.
edit - for the love of god, water down the hard counters, bring back mech (positional play not some A-move thors/hellbats) so that 70% of the units in SC2 can actually become part of the metagame already /smh. Almost all the units not used are actually counters to the siege tank haha what a design mess.
You aren't wrong I reckon, I only pay sc2 because I have literally no other decent 1v1 alternative, now that I have hearthstone I haven't touched sc2 in a while. Blizzard really needs to step up and improve this game but we all know they won't.
Maybe we should all just go back to BW they still have some tournaments going on and the game is still fun, maybe if Blizzard sees people going back to bw they will capitalise on it and make lotv more bw sequence.
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