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Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
August 04 2013 16:54 GMT
#341
They were pretty good and I like IdrA casting a lot. The kid is smart.
Tastosis, though, are just too good to be true: I'd have fun listening to them even if they were casting a cooking session.
Gr33n
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
Bahamas113 Posts
August 04 2013 16:55 GMT
#342
On August 05 2013 01:39 ratbert wrote:
hey great, it's been a while since the last "let's rate casters thread"

seriously though, poll needs more bitterdam (and others)

and have I missed something "best duo CURRENTLY" and then kellymilkies / moletrap. do they cast anything *currently* ? or do I smell a terrible poll?


yeh i forgot casters but it was just to fill space. the goal was to see if anyone else felt that idra and khaldor were just the best caster they have seen in a while. apparently a lot of ppl felt that way
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
August 04 2013 16:56 GMT
#343
Definitely don't think khaldor and idra are as good as apollo and pretty much anyone else. I think the best casters right now are apollo and artosis.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
MidnightZL
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden203 Posts
August 04 2013 17:00 GMT
#344
Khaldor & Idra was ok but far away from being my favourites. I love day9 & Apollo, Artosis & Tasteless also nice.
- I'm fairly certain YOLO is just Carpe Diem for stupid people - Jack Black
Bashnek
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia895 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 17:01:49
August 04 2013 17:01 GMT
#345
On August 05 2013 01:55 Gr33n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 01:39 ratbert wrote:
hey great, it's been a while since the last "let's rate casters thread"

seriously though, poll needs more bitterdam (and others)

and have I missed something "best duo CURRENTLY" and then kellymilkies / moletrap. do they cast anything *currently* ? or do I smell a terrible poll?


yeh i forgot casters but it was just to fill space. the goal was to see if anyone else felt that idra and khaldor were just the best caster they have seen in a while. apparently a lot of ppl felt that way



Then a yes/no wouldve been better a better option, that poll is bad.

i miss doa & wolf personally, but idra is a great caster.
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Gr33n
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
Bahamas113 Posts
August 04 2013 17:03 GMT
#346
On August 05 2013 02:01 Bashnek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 01:55 Gr33n wrote:
On August 05 2013 01:39 ratbert wrote:
hey great, it's been a while since the last "let's rate casters thread"

seriously though, poll needs more bitterdam (and others)

and have I missed something "best duo CURRENTLY" and then kellymilkies / moletrap. do they cast anything *currently* ? or do I smell a terrible poll?


yeh i forgot casters but it was just to fill space. the goal was to see if anyone else felt that idra and khaldor were just the best caster they have seen in a while. apparently a lot of ppl felt that way



Then a yes/no wouldve been better a better option, that poll is bad.

i miss doa & wolf personally, but idra is a great caster.


eh i dont think its really bad at all. rotterdamn and mr bitter hardly cast and wouldnt be the top casters in any world so more fillers are just as bad as the bad fillers i added for jokes
sacade
Profile Joined January 2013
166 Posts
August 04 2013 17:06 GMT
#347
my favourites casters are drunk players from homestory cup
Daniel C
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong1606 Posts
August 04 2013 17:12 GMT
#348
I don't think the OP has heard of whiplash and supernovamaniac. Great synergy, great knowledge, great presentation, great everything!
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
LainRivers
Profile Joined March 2012
United States36 Posts
August 04 2013 17:18 GMT
#349
Idra is such a little bitch about the game and so biased. Other than that I do like him, but he really needs to fuck off with the bias and being a bitch about things he finds 'stupid'.

User was temp banned for this post.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 17:21:25
August 04 2013 17:19 GMT
#350
I feel like Idra would work with literally anyone. Same as for example Grubby and Tod. So I don't think those 2 are the best casting duo out there. In fact, I think Khaldor was NOT working well with Idra a couple of times during the weekend. Ofc, I may be biased a lot, since I don't like Khaldor at all (not because of the casting, because of his opinions mostly).

That said, none of the casting duos in the poll would be in my Top5 - I like mostly MonteDoa, Bitterdam, Kaelaris and Tod, Nathanias+Apollo (but strangely enough, Kaelaris and Apollo don't seem to be working too well together imo) and that's about it. I don't watch Tastosis if I can get around it, since I don't really like their casting style together. Artosis and Apollo imo also didn't work together terribly well.

What I cannot stand at all are guys like Day9, Tastosis when they are casting together and some others - they tend to hype up every single bullshit thing happening like it is the end of the world and every single match is 'the best match I've ever seen'. I think Artosis works much better with someone like Wolf for example.

But I tend to notice, I don't really look for the same thing in casters, like the majority of people watching - I am much more interested in backstories of players, the 'when I played against him' kind of stuff and funny stories about the players more so then any kind of actual analytic casting (I watch too much Starcraft, so I mostly know what is going on regardless, since it tends to be pretty repetitive).

That all said, I never get the hate towards ANY caster, since I think everyone I watched had something good to present and if not, I just don't listen to them and focus on the game itself. I also don't have any problems in listening to anyone, I just prefer some over others, but there is really no one that would force me to not watch a game I am interested in.
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Koesader
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands424 Posts
August 04 2013 17:19 GMT
#351
TotalControL. So enjoyable.
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zeek.349
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Canada123 Posts
August 04 2013 17:20 GMT
#352
I had to make an account just to post my 2 cents on this thread.

Just like players to casters, there will never be a single, or in this case, duo, 'best' casters thus far or ever. It all comes down to a matter of preference and hundreds of things a viewer/listener looks in a caster. Some are funny, insightful and quick, to those that can hype very well and simply make you smile and make you raise your hands in the air.

Personally after watching around 10 or so games of Khaldra I can defiantly say that I enjoyed them and would watch them again as a duo, separately with another caster or by themselves. I also think IdrA has the potential to really grow and rise to the levels of Artosis and Day[9] in terms of being a powerhouse and household name in the casting/analytic sides of SC2.
zeek.349
Gr33n
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
Bahamas113 Posts
August 04 2013 17:21 GMT
#353
the "combo naming" is kinda tabloid isnt it.... like you guys all read TMZ or something. whats the chances we stop this ye....?
one-one-one
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden551 Posts
August 04 2013 17:43 GMT
#354
On August 05 2013 01:05 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 23:21 one-one-one wrote:
On August 04 2013 22:42 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2013 21:45 one-one-one wrote:
On August 04 2013 21:25 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2013 21:13 one-one-one wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:21 Gr33n wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote:
I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........



so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver

is this fair to say? i believe so

what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote:
Are you kidding?

idrA has good game sense but is very biased.
This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.

Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP.
idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes.
idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.

They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...

Everyone has bias whether it's for a race, their favorite players or whatever else it may be.



Lol. Your completely missed my point.
The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.

Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.


Sign?
You mean "Sigh"?

Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech.
I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!

Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports.
There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.

So wait, you want to hear Avilo cast, but yet you complain about bias in casting? I think we all have a clear picture of what type of bias you would be totally fine with.


Hah! You walked right into my trap.
I figured that you would

I knew you would remark on avilo, but you were the one saying it was fine to put mech-loving casters together. I never said anything about avilo casting alone. In fact, my whole point coming into this discussion is that casters should be picked so that their bias is balanced out as much as possible.

You are too predictable.


one-on-one, that didn't actually make sense and he doesn't appear to have "fallen into your trap". It seems that you've gotten overexcited about trapping someone. I should report you for attempted entrapment!

You stated that you'd like to hear Artosis, GoOdy and Avilo casting together after saying they all like mech. Maybe that was meant to be a joke, but it didn't really come off that way. I think you meant to make the second bunch of comments the main focus of your post, but instead you seemed to be saying
Show nested quote +
As someone who likes mech, I'd love to see three mech-biased casters casting together!

and
Show nested quote +
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. [...] There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.

in the same post.
So basically, you seemed to trip yourself up and Plansix was only questioning that.

In addition, you claimed IdrA is anti-terran, but I don't think that's really so true, or at least not particularly. Many people who are a bit (or more) biased in favour of their own race will sound a bit biased against the others.
IdrA might, however, be REALLY BIASED against protoss (can't say I blame him ㅋㅋㅋ) and that could be something to keep track of.

Slight biases "against races" like Khaldor and IdrA might supposedly have against terran are really only from favouring zerg, unless Khaldor feels some particular hatred for terran that I've forgotten about. Either way, IdrA's stronger bias is definitely against protoss.
Stronger biases like that might be more of a worry (though I thought he managed it well enough during the cast).

We used to have numerous protoss pairings in casting, didn't we? We still have Artosis + Tasteless, at least.
I think the only real bias we feel is in their excitement, but casters can go a bit over the top with praise during games regardless of the caster and player races. People like to get upset when casters do that for players of their own race but it's quite common regardless of any bias.

Talking about biases...Ret and IdrA go back a long way. One might say his recommendations for tournaments to choose/keep on IdrA as a caster are....biased.


Ok, you are right that it wasn't a real trap attempt, so you don't need to report me lol. But right when I hit the "Post" button I started to predict how plansix would respond, and as it turned out my prediction was accurate enough to cause me to lol.

You miss the point completely when you try to explain why my post doesn't "make sense".
Both of you confuse liking mech with the concept of bias. Then he said "as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem". I don't agree with that, and neither does it seem that plansix really does given the way he responded later.

I wasn't completely serious with the Artosis, Avilo , Goody cast, it was just an example

I never said that it would be a good cast, just that it would be "funny and amusing" indeed. There was no need to put avilo
on the list as Artosis and Goody would have been a good enough suggestion, but I mentioned avilo because I sensed that it might cause some kind of short circuiting in Plansix's logic.

So the ones who makes no sense here are you and Mr. Plansix.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1BFY4R7IIP4#t=1710s
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
August 04 2013 17:47 GMT
#355
Not sure about best duo ever lol. But I think idra is really a fantastic caster, and so is khaldor. Definitely had some great synergy going on and what have you
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
one-one-one
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden551 Posts
August 04 2013 17:52 GMT
#356
All you people complaining about lack of options in the poll can stop as the OP has been perma banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1BFY4R7IIP4#t=1710s
Wonderberg
Profile Joined November 2012
Netherlands112 Posts
August 04 2013 17:58 GMT
#357
I dont know about this poll kev!
TarLaPaN
Profile Joined June 2012
United States113 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 18:00:55
August 04 2013 17:59 GMT
#358
Why isn't artosis apollo a poll option? Artosis is still the best analytical caster in the game and apollo can do play-by-play as well as high-level analysis.
Also worth mentioning is incontrol, I'd love to see him paired with an idra or artosis, or even idra with artosis.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
August 04 2013 18:05 GMT
#359
Khaldor and Idra were great. I really enjoyed them together. However, I still prefer any cast with Apollo or Artosis.
Fearest
Profile Joined September 2011
854 Posts
August 04 2013 18:11 GMT
#360
Idra and Khaldor is actually really good ! I liked it a lot more than wolf + khaldor, as wolf tone of voice give off a bad vibe, like he's constantly trying to belittle the player that make a mistake.
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