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SinTio
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 15:56:37
August 04 2013 15:55 GMT
#321
On August 05 2013 00:46 ensign_lee wrote:
Why is Day9+husky not an option on the poll?!?!?!


Because the OP wants his new favorite duo to do well, so he forgets half of the top casters out there, like Day9, Husky, Rotterdam and MrBitter. (And puts apollo with tb, can't remember them casting together for a year or so)
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
August 04 2013 15:58 GMT
#322
Where are the vods to see Idra's casting in action? I'm intruiged.
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
August 04 2013 16:05 GMT
#323
"Best casting duo so far" after seeing them only in a tournament? Waaaaay too early. IdrA is clearly good, he has great analytical skills and it's funny when he's a bit arrogant, but I would wait to say anything about him and Khaldor as a duo.
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 16:06:29
August 04 2013 16:05 GMT
#324
On August 04 2013 23:21 one-one-one wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 22:42 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2013 21:45 one-one-one wrote:
On August 04 2013 21:25 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2013 21:13 one-one-one wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:21 Gr33n wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote:
I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........



so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver

is this fair to say? i believe so

what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote:
Are you kidding?

idrA has good game sense but is very biased.
This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.

Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP.
idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes.
idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.

They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...

Everyone has bias whether it's for a race, their favorite players or whatever else it may be.



Lol. Your completely missed my point.
The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.

Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.


Sign?
You mean "Sigh"?

Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech.
I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!

Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports.
There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.

So wait, you want to hear Avilo cast, but yet you complain about bias in casting? I think we all have a clear picture of what type of bias you would be totally fine with.


Hah! You walked right into my trap.
I figured that you would

I knew you would remark on avilo, but you were the one saying it was fine to put mech-loving casters together. I never said anything about avilo casting alone. In fact, my whole point coming into this discussion is that casters should be picked so that their bias is balanced out as much as possible.

You are too predictable.


one-on-one, that didn't actually make sense and he doesn't appear to have "fallen into your trap". It seems that you've gotten overexcited about trapping someone. I should report you for attempted entrapment!

You stated that you'd like to hear Artosis, GoOdy and Avilo casting together after saying they all like mech. Maybe that was meant to be a joke, but it didn't really come off that way. I think you meant to make the second bunch of comments the main focus of your post, but instead you seemed to be saying
As someone who likes mech, I'd love to see three mech-biased casters casting together!

and
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. [...] There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.

in the same post.
So basically, you seemed to trip yourself up and Plansix was only questioning that.

In addition, you claimed IdrA is anti-terran, but I don't think that's really so true, or at least not particularly. Many people who are a bit (or more) biased in favour of their own race will sound a bit biased against the others.
IdrA might, however, be REALLY BIASED against protoss (can't say I blame him ㅋㅋㅋ) and that could be something to keep track of.

Slight biases "against races" like Khaldor and IdrA might supposedly have against terran are really only from favouring zerg, unless Khaldor feels some particular hatred for terran that I've forgotten about. Either way, IdrA's stronger bias is definitely against protoss.
Stronger biases like that might be more of a worry (though I thought he managed it well enough during the cast).

We used to have numerous protoss pairings in casting, didn't we? We still have Artosis + Tasteless, at least.
I think the only real bias we feel is in their excitement, but casters can go a bit over the top with praise during games regardless of the caster and player races. People like to get upset when casters do that for players of their own race but it's quite common regardless of any bias.

Talking about biases...Ret and IdrA go back a long way. One might say his recommendations for tournaments to choose/keep on IdrA as a caster are....biased.
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nettleberry
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States201 Posts
August 04 2013 16:07 GMT
#325
Wolfdor doesn't get nearly enough love
"Right?"
Gr33n
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
Bahamas113 Posts
August 04 2013 16:11 GMT
#326
On August 05 2013 00:55 SinTio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 00:46 ensign_lee wrote:
Why is Day9+husky not an option on the poll?!?!?!

Because the OP wants his new favorite duo to do well, so he forgets half of the top casters out there, like Day9, Husky, Rotterdam and MrBitter. (And puts apollo with tb, can't remember them casting together for a year or so)


as if i have some sort of hidden agenda rofl some ppl asked for a poll

now this parts gonna sound like i DO have an agenda. day9 husky rotterdam and mr bitter are not very good casters
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
August 04 2013 16:18 GMT
#327
I don't really like commenting by someone I despise. And if I ever stumble on his casting I will turn it off.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28475 Posts
August 04 2013 16:18 GMT
#328
On August 05 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 00:55 SinTio wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:46 ensign_lee wrote:
Why is Day9+husky not an option on the poll?!?!?!

Because the OP wants his new favorite duo to do well, so he forgets half of the top casters out there, like Day9, Husky, Rotterdam and MrBitter. (And puts apollo with tb, can't remember them casting together for a year or so)


as if i have some sort of hidden agenda rofl some ppl asked for a poll

now this parts gonna sound like i DO have an agenda. day9 husky rotterdam and mr bitter are not very good casters

You're right; Kellymilkies and Moletrap are way better.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
scsnow
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovenia515 Posts
August 04 2013 16:18 GMT
#329
bitterdam ftw
idra and khaldor were great also.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 16:20:57
August 04 2013 16:20 GMT
#330
Btw, what event did Idra cast? I wonna write a letter to their sponsors.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 16:22:39
August 04 2013 16:22 GMT
#331
^ ASUS ROG

nah, definitely not the best casting duo out there. I think Tastosis is the best casting duo. True that they have a habit of making similar jokes throughout their casts but their synergy is unparalleled due to being friends for a long period of time. That's not to say that Idra/Khaldor doesn't work, they just need more time and Idra's bias showed several times in the cast but I wasn't bothered by it.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
August 04 2013 16:25 GMT
#332
I like a lot of the current casters. Idra is fantastic. Khaldor is great too. Haven't caught them casting together yet though..sounds like it could be good. I think all the "main casters" are actually really good. I even really like Husky's "color" style, which is a nice contrast vs. someone like Apollo's more analytical style.

Come to think of it I guess the only "main caster" that I absolutely can't stand to hear during games would be TotalBiscuit, but that's manageable since he typically doesn't cast big/important stuff.

If I had to vote I'd probably say Tastosis, just because they're the true OG's
SinTio
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 16:29:08
August 04 2013 16:26 GMT
#333
On August 05 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 00:55 SinTio wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:46 ensign_lee wrote:
Why is Day9+husky not an option on the poll?!?!?!

Because the OP wants his new favorite duo to do well, so he forgets half of the top casters out there, like Day9, Husky, Rotterdam and MrBitter. (And puts apollo with tb, can't remember them casting together for a year or so)


as if i have some sort of hidden agenda rofl some ppl asked for a poll

now this parts gonna sound like i DO have an agenda. day9 husky rotterdam and mr bitter are not very good casters


1. That little face is there for a reason.
2. ... n/c

My point stands: That poll is bad.
Gr33n
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
Bahamas113 Posts
August 04 2013 16:27 GMT
#334
On August 05 2013 01:18 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:55 SinTio wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:46 ensign_lee wrote:
Why is Day9+husky not an option on the poll?!?!?!

Because the OP wants his new favorite duo to do well, so he forgets half of the top casters out there, like Day9, Husky, Rotterdam and MrBitter. (And puts apollo with tb, can't remember them casting together for a year or so)


as if i have some sort of hidden agenda rofl some ppl asked for a poll

now this parts gonna sound like i DO have an agenda. day9 husky rotterdam and mr bitter are not very good casters

You're right; Kellymilkies and Moletrap are way better.



now whats wrong with me liking those 2. they are the best!
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
August 04 2013 16:27 GMT
#335
On August 04 2013 23:21 one-one-one wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 22:42 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2013 21:45 one-one-one wrote:
On August 04 2013 21:25 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2013 21:13 one-one-one wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:21 Gr33n wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote:
I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........



so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver

is this fair to say? i believe so

what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote:
Are you kidding?

idrA has good game sense but is very biased.
This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.

Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP.
idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes.
idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.

They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...

Everyone has bias whether it's for a race, their favorite players or whatever else it may be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gDGf1G6mxQ


Lol. Your completely missed my point.
The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.

Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.


Sign?
You mean "Sigh"?

Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech.
I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!

Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports.
There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.

So wait, you want to hear Avilo cast, but yet you complain about bias in casting? I think we all have a clear picture of what type of bias you would be totally fine with.


Hah! You walked right into my trap.
I figured that you would

I knew you would remark on avilo, but you were the one saying it was fine to put mech-loving casters together. I never said anything about avilo casting alone. In fact, my whole point coming into this discussion is that casters should be picked so that their bias is balanced out as much as possible.

You are too predictable.




Seriously though, that post was so lame "haha I trap yoo"?

-_-
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
August 04 2013 16:29 GMT
#336
On August 04 2013 23:21 one-one-one wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 22:42 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2013 21:45 one-one-one wrote:
On August 04 2013 21:25 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2013 21:13 one-one-one wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:21 Gr33n wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote:
I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........



so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver

is this fair to say? i believe so

what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote:
Are you kidding?

idrA has good game sense but is very biased.
This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.

Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP.
idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes.
idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.

They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...

Everyone has bias whether it's for a race, their favorite players or whatever else it may be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gDGf1G6mxQ


Lol. Your completely missed my point.
The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.

Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.


Sign?
You mean "Sigh"?

Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech.
I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!

Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports.
There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.

So wait, you want to hear Avilo cast, but yet you complain about bias in casting? I think we all have a clear picture of what type of bias you would be totally fine with.


Hah! You walked right into my trap.
I figured that you would
.

Did this just changed into Yu-Gi-Oh?
ratbert
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1041 Posts
August 04 2013 16:39 GMT
#337
hey great, it's been a while since the last "let's rate casters thread"

seriously though, poll needs more bitterdam (and others)

and have I missed something "best duo CURRENTLY" and then kellymilkies / moletrap. do they cast anything *currently* ? or do I smell a terrible poll?
what if Nat Pagle and RNGesus are the same person?
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
August 04 2013 16:40 GMT
#338
Apollo + Artosis.
Zrana
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom698 Posts
August 04 2013 16:42 GMT
#339
Still think TLO and Rotterdam was the best match ever
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
August 04 2013 16:49 GMT
#340
On August 05 2013 01:39 ratbert wrote:

and have I missed something "best duo CURRENTLY" and then kellymilkies / moletrap. do they cast anything *currently* ? or do I smell a terrible poll?

I think that was a joke. If it wasn't then that's just tragic.
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