I'm not sure if anyone else agrees with me but as someone who has watched sc2 since the start this offers the most of any caster for me
- no one is screaming too loudly or talking over anyone - khaldor is clearly the play by play and idra is clearly the analytical - when idra explains something it isn't long winded. its articulated quickly and in depth but no more in depth then need be - they dont make (maybe 1 or 2) crude or unrelated jokes but do have some funny jokes like "the technology just isn't there yet" so its not all serious faces - they just have synergy overall - idras laugh.... lol....
is anyone else feeling this way? i can't imagine watching tastosis or anyone else after these two who imo are just what sc2 was missing, a real professional casting duo for the more mature sc2 audience.
I'll also add that idra was never this good before, he is barely (barely...) even bias hes just a HAPPY person to listen to. They can obviously fix some things but as a first cast... stellar
ill add this since some ppl asked
Poll: Best duo currently
Khaldor Idra (541)
39%
Tastetosis (533)
38%
Apollo + (he casts with lots of ppl) TB maybe? (183)
13%
Kellymilkies moletrap (86)
6%
Khaldor Wolf (51)
4%
1394 total votes
Your vote: Best duo currently
(Vote): Khaldor Idra (Vote): Khaldor Wolf (Vote): Tastetosis (Vote): Apollo + (he casts with lots of ppl) TB maybe? (Vote): Kellymilkies moletrap
They do have some very nice synergy going on. I wouldn't say for sure best though. I have too much love for Apollo and Grubby casting to say that. Still I'd love to see more Idra Khaldor.
This is a little off topic but isn't Grubby just so handsome and charming? Yeah.
On August 04 2013 12:10 Gnusnu wrote: They do have some very nice synergy going on. I wouldn't say for sure best though. I have too much love for apollo and grubby casting to say that. They're definitely up there.
o i forgot about grubby ur right hes REALLY good too but im not sure if its as good as those 2 as a combo. grubbys sooo good at casting tho...
khaldor is speaking very slowly. especially when he raises his voice to make things look exciting he sounds like a disabled person. also he is trolling way too much, and not in a good way. i cant see him being on main stage alot. idra is still not a professional caster/commentator/analyzer because his language is very often on the edge of imba whine. tastosis is untouchable.
Biggest thing I liked about the duo was that they were constantly talking to each other. Way too many casting pairs will just take turn making comments...Tasteless is especially bad at paying attention to his partner.
Was also nice that all their jokes were game relevant. No awkward tangents that take up 2 minutes of game time about something completely meaningless.
I enjoyed them quite a bit. Although I may be a bit biased because I've always been a fan of Idra's.
On August 04 2013 12:13 HuKPOWA wrote: I would be 100% fine with this casting Duo if they stopped calling Nexus' "Planetary Nexus, and every 2 base pressure cheese...
That is all...oh and idra's rage towards protoss lol
Once those are fixd i think they'd be a pretty fine duo :D
This really didn't bother me much, I enjoy personal touches to casting. It'd feel bland if everyone casted games at a standard. It might not be the best for new viewers I suppose, but we know what they're talking about.
On August 04 2013 12:19 WolfintheSheep wrote: Biggest thing I liked about the duo was that they were constantly talking to each other. Way too many casting pairs will just take turn making comments...Tasteless is especially bad at paying attention to his partner.
Was also nice that all their jokes were game relevant. No awkward tangents that take up 2 minutes of game time about something completely meaningless.
i remember watching GSL every game there was a joke about the "metroid energy core thing" for 10mins in the center of the map. my obscure sense of humor for that kinda stuff eventually becomes annoyed when its EVERY SINGLE GAME
obviously khaldor and idra can improve but that was such a good job for a first time.... it was imo still better then the years casting together of other casters and they are gonna get better
They have a long way to go, but definitely one of the best duos. Let me tell you why: you have an ex professional gamer who understands the game really well ( leaving aside his issues with the balance), and you have khaldor who indeed has a lot of work to do to improve his casting, but has the passion and the will to keep on going ( that´s the most important thing). WHen you mix these 2 you get what you saw in their perfomance.
Bravo to both, keep up the hard work , and never stop looking for greatness! It´s all achievable!
I enjoyed it very much. I like both khaldor and idrA, and I think they worked well together. I wouldn't say I'll have a problem watching games with tastosis commentating, but its clearly a different style. Artosis brings a passion that is uncontested, tasteless brings the lulz. idrA & Khaldor reminds me about what I see on TV for soccer etc. As OP states, clearly defined roles and its all very professional.
I dont think idrA was whining about imbalances. He mentioned that he views something as unbeatable - That is his opinion, and the point of a analytical caster is to get such insight. It just works out so well with IdrA telling us whats happening, you get a very clear understanding about whats going to happen and who's ahead in the game.
On August 04 2013 12:13 HuKPOWA wrote: I would be 100% fine with this casting Duo if they stopped calling Nexus' "Planetary Nexus, and every 2 base pressure cheese...
That is all...oh and idra's rage towards protoss lol
Once those are fixd i think they'd be a pretty fine duo :D
Who doesn't call it planetary nexus these days?
I get where you're coming from about the rage, but man sometimes it does feel good as zerg to know that you're not the only one wondering how the hell your opponent got that big of a high tech army on two base :p
I think IdrA has always been a very good caster from listening to his rare casting appearances while he was still a player. I think this was a very good career move for him and he'll probably be in fairly high demand in upcoming tournaments.
well I was convinced before that Idra and Khaldor would be a perfect fit, so it is nice seeing it confirmed after watching Asus RoG. Hope they enjoyed that combo as much as I did. But especially when it comes to casting there are to many flavors to satisfy to be the best for everyone.
I never liked Idra as a player but he is an eeeexcellent caster. Sometimes he ends up chewing on his words when he has to talk really fast, but otherwise he is really great as an analytical caster.
the way you hear idra talk about strat is nothing like the way you hear other casters. its similar to when you watch a pro micro you say "they just move dif then most". idra just does it so well and i cant put my finger on what hes doing but its just so good
From what I caught of the casting, he was (and always has been) a pretty good caster. I think a little friendlier personality and he could be one of the best.
From what I saw they were definitely really good, especially for being a new duo. But Idra's personality is just so dry 95% of the time. But he can get away with it way better than most considering he's a good analyzer.
On August 04 2013 12:50 TAMinator wrote: best? definetely not. Top 5? Stretching it. Top 10? Probably. IdrA has room for improvement but has done very well.
Definitely Top 5. They made Harstem vs Dayshi and G3 of Lucifron vs Goswser entertaining. That takes some talent.
I agree! I love Idra's random rage and his almost demeaning attitude towards other players with the positive balance from Khaldor coming in. I'd really like to see them at more tournaments.
Oh man, as someone who quit paying attention to SC2 entirely about when IdrA got dropped from EG after severely waning interest this thread was a godsend.
They're good, but being the best is subjective. Hell, even deciding whether a caster is good or bad is subjective, but I think most people are generally pretty happy with this casting pair.
It'd be great to see Idra cast WCS AM. They could use a few more good casters there
On August 04 2013 12:13 HuKPOWA wrote: I would be 100% fine with this casting Duo if they stopped calling Nexus' "Planetary Nexus, and every 2 base pressure cheese...
That is all...oh and idra's rage towards protoss lol
Once those are fixd i think they'd be a pretty fine duo :D
But that's what its called O_O. That and the Death Star.
meh, I disagree. I don't really care for Idra's voice and he tends to call games which ruins the experience as a viewer. Khaldor also has the tendency to completely ignore what his caster is saying and just speaks his mind (often repeating what his co-caster has said). He hasn't done that much with Idra but he does do it with Wolf constantly.
Idra still needs to improve a lot. Casting isn't just about game knowledge, voice matters a lot and his isn't pleasant to listen to for extended hours.
they are an excellent casting duo and considering this has been their first cast together (and one of the first in general for idra), there is realistic hope for a vast improvement in the future. they could one day rival tastosis for best casting archon. but they are not there yet imho.
one potential issue i see with Khildror (! ) is if they can function together on a daily basis. idra's casting adds a huge portion of dry humor and ... lets call it "soberness" to the casting. for high-profile games or on an occassional basis, i really like that. but Im not sure if i would enjoy such a casting style when Im heavily exposed to it.
tastosis' more casual style and meaningless banter about random, nerdy things is more easily made working in high doses than the more professional, sober style of Khildror.
anyway, i enjoyed their casting of rog immensely. keep it up!
On August 04 2013 13:23 TeslasPigeon wrote: meh, I disagree. I don't really care for Idra's voice and he tends to call games which ruins the experience as a viewer. Khaldor also has the tendency to completely ignore what his caster is saying and just speaks his mind (often repeating what his co-caster has said). He hasn't done that much with Idra but he does do it with Wolf constantly.
Idra still needs to improve a lot. Casting isn't just about game knowledge, voice matters a lot and his isn't pleasant to listen to for extended hours.
yes but doing something with someone else does not make you do it with this new person (not a relationship ref)
idra is calm and willing to let the other caster speak and khaldor is willing to defer to idras expertise. wolf isnt an expert and its possible khaldor doesnt respect his analysis as much as idra
I liked their casting a lot. They really complemented each others styles quite well. I hope to see them work together more often. They definitely seem to be one of the better casting duos.
Idra is now best American caster, Day9 is still a better representative for the community though, however he lost his edge IMO with his game knowledge and has too many weird quirks like the constant orgasmic whoooooahs, and UH OH UH OH UH OH.
Idra is amazing. One of the most intelligent and analytical casters we have. He is my favorite caster, bar none, and I'm not a fan of him as a player. We need more casters like him and less that like to tell horrendous jokes or feel the need to hype when hype isn't necessary.
My love for Idra's casting really comes from how no nonsense he talks about the game. A lot of casters love supplementing their casting by looking at the resources lost, the production tab and all those fancy statistics because they don't have the game knowledge to make good predictions and generally don't have a complete understanding of exactly who's ahead, who's behind, and what the player is doing.
But then you have Idra (and Apollo/Artosis) who impart game knowledge without the statistics. This has some nice synergy (at least for now) while Idra talks about how the game is turning out and Khaldor keeps us up to date on what's going on (and gives the energy), but there's still a little bit of hesitation where I feel Idra's casting might be a bit too analytic and the analytic style overpowers a partner who isn't as analytic as he is. I'm sure though that Greg is trying his best to improve as a caster, and you can't really blame him since it's his first casting job. It'll be great to follow him as he casts more.
Not quite the best yet but it's a noticeable improvement over casters who don't play the game at a high level.
I also really enjoy how when one player has completely lost and hasn't gg'd yet, Idra is a bit confused as to whether he should continue casting and just goes "yeah he's basically dead." I'm not sure what's the best thing to say in that situation either, but it's funny to watch.
Idra I think needs to get more comfortable with the ebb and flow of a game I felt like he stumbled over himself a lot which I think is something he'll get better at as he does more gigs like this. On the plus side though, his analysis of builds and timings was very sharp.
I felt Khaldor at times could also be a little dominating in the casts mostly because he could so easily talk over Idra. A few times I heard him cut Greg off mid sentence while he was analyzing something which is something he tends to do with Wolf except Wolf just keeps talking anyway I guess because he's comfortable with the interjections. That kind of thing gets fixed through increased experience with your co-caster.
I wouldn't even be commenting at all if they weren't receiving such an unusual amount of praise both here and on Reddit. I just don't see it warranted but that's just me. They weren't bad but they didn't strike me as the holy grail of casting duos either.
On August 04 2013 13:30 DeathProfessor wrote: Idra is now best American caster, Day9 is still a better representative for the community though, however he lost his edge IMO with his game knowledge and has too many weird quirks like the constant orgasmic whoooooahs, and UH OH UH OH UH OH.
They overtalked each other a little bit but the analysis from Idra is definitly really good. Khaldor is amazing as usual but IdrA addition just gives the game a bit more professional addition which sometimes even casters don't understand. His little jokes are dry and funny as well, something along the line like "toss is on two base but if you look at it, he has all the high value units that it needs, it's quite silly" and then you see the toss has like 4 colossus and double stargate production on 2 base and just makes you agree with him.
I wouldn't say best, but they certainly kept me watching. Idra did well for his first official live event as a caster. I hope he doesn't let all the fanboyism go to his head, there's always room for improvement
A times the finals were not as exciting as some of the other games, but I don't think that was really the fault of the casters.
On August 04 2013 13:32 Vindicare605 wrote: I wasn't a huge fan of the duo to be honest.
Idra I think needs to get more comfortable with the ebb and flow of a game I felt like he stumbled over himself a lot which I think is something he'll get better at as he does more gigs like this. On the plus side though, his analysis of builds and timings was very sharp.
I felt Khaldor at times could also be a little dominating in the casts mostly because he could so easily talk over Idra. A few times I heard him cut Greg off mid sentence while he was analyzing something which is something he tends to do with Wolf except Wolf just keeps talking anyway I guess because he's comfortable with the interjections. That kind of thing gets fixed through increased experience with your co-caster.
I wouldn't even be commenting at all if they weren't receiving such an unusual amount of praise both here and on Reddit. I just don't see it warranted but that's just me. They weren't bad but they didn't strike me as the holy grail of casting duos either.
its a step in the right direction where as tasteless wolf and others are imo steps in the wrong direction. we need professionals not children.
I like Idra casting. But not prepared to call him + anybody the best. For me, ToD plus anybody is must watch. Idra + anybody is rapidly joining that class.
I was never a fan of Idra as a player because I felt he wasn't mentally stable enough. But his long gaming career def. pays off as a caster. His analysis was sharp and clear. Together with Khaldor, who is very passionate about the game (like casting on his free day!) they make a great duo. Really hoping to see more of them.
I agree. Idra is so good. He's knowledgeable, level headed, and doesn't mindlessly yell trying to convince the viewers to get "hype" like so many other casters do. Khaldor is funny, and makes jokes a lot of other casters are too timid to make, and he also has a pleasant voice.
Also, they aren't afraid to point out when a player is doing something wrong.
On August 04 2013 13:32 Vindicare605 wrote: I wasn't a huge fan of the duo to be honest.
Idra I think needs to get more comfortable with the ebb and flow of a game I felt like he stumbled over himself a lot which I think is something he'll get better at as he does more gigs like this. On the plus side though, his analysis of builds and timings was very sharp.
I felt Khaldor at times could also be a little dominating in the casts mostly because he could so easily talk over Idra. A few times I heard him cut Greg off mid sentence while he was analyzing something which is something he tends to do with Wolf except Wolf just keeps talking anyway I guess because he's comfortable with the interjections. That kind of thing gets fixed through increased experience with your co-caster.
I wouldn't even be commenting at all if they weren't receiving such an unusual amount of praise both here and on Reddit. I just don't see it warranted but that's just me. They weren't bad but they didn't strike me as the holy grail of casting duos either.
its a step in the right direction where as tasteless wolf and others are imo steps in the wrong direction. we need professionals not children.
Khaldor talking over someone is a step in the right direction, and thats professional?
Tastosis is the best still in my option, but they are no longer as tight as they used to be, which brings in the ability for another duo to really bring excitement back into SC2. What makes Tastosis better than anyone else is their friendship and chemistry. To be the best duo, both people need to respect each other equally and not want to talk over each other, which is what we were seeing from Khaldra. Also, a good mix between nerdy, and funny/charming is really important. Lately I've noticed Artosis appears to give the analytical conclusions of the match that tasteless wants to point out, and when Tasteless has his turn, he ends up repeating most of what Artosis has said using different or simplified words. In turn, this makes Tasteless possibly feel like he needs to give the break down first to seem validated in his abilities. Tasteless is a cool nerd and Artosis is so multifaceted and knowledgeable that he's able to provide a different insight after the fact which is great. I think if they kept that format, Tasteless going first, and Artosis second, their casts would be a bit more smoother than they are now. Hopefully we will see more casting duos emerge, as I feel there's a lot of room for improvement in the scene overall.
I thought it might work well and it was certainly good and I enjoyed it quite a lot. I still prefer Wolfdor, because I am a long time fan of those two together, their excitement always captures my attention. I watched Whiplash and Chobra over Tastosis for the OSL Semi, that's where Tastosis rate on my watch-o-meter these days, although Chobra and Whiplash seem to be pretty good. Apollo and anyone is fine with me also!!
Khaldor seems to be way better when paired with Idra than when paired with Wolf. Much more mature and steady than the bad jokes when he's with wolf. However, whoever said that when he tries to make things exciting he sounds retarded: no other caster makes my heart beat as fast as Khaldor's exclaiming.
I'm also rapidly regaining faith in Idra for his excellent casting.
IdrA has a bad tendency to start calling things he doesn't understand "terrible" or imply that the player is losing because of this thing he doesn't comprehend.
I think that's the only real issue I had this weekend with Khaldor and IdrA. They don't have the best chemistry together, and sometimes IdrA can get a little awkward, but that will just come with more experience.
I liked them. Idra really knows SC2 well since he was a pro-gamer for a very long time, and his analysis made the cast worth listening to. Khaldor's play-by-plays was great as usual. It wasn't just two guys talking about a game, it was about understanding the backbone of the games as well. Idra could understand how each decision would impact a game, and his chemistry with Khaldor made it easy to put up with. They had their funny moments (and their awkward moments) but it was a really solid cast.
They were a good pair for sure, though I still have fond memories of Catspajamas and Doa together along with team K[9]. Tastosis are the people to beat for sure though.
IdrA is a really good caster for not having a lot of casting experience. Being a pro player does not give a person all the skills to be a good caster so it's expected that he won't be perfect, but I can see him becoming one of the best easily.
As a fan of Idra's stream because of his commentary, I find their casting duo to be spot on. Obviously there is place for improvement, but that will come when they understand each other better and Idra gets more comfortable in the casting chair. Heck, I would watch a game I’m not interested in just to listen to them cast.
On August 04 2013 12:13 HuKPOWA wrote: I would be 100% fine with this casting Duo if they stopped calling Nexus' "Planetary Nexus, and every 2 base pressure cheese...
That is all...oh and idra's rage towards protoss lol
Once those are fixd i think they'd be a pretty fine duo :D
I don't agree. Some terms are just used commonly. The same is true in casual speech in your local dialect as it is in certain cliques like SC2. Planetary Nexus is just common.... If you don't like it then you're one of the odd ones out. It's just normal.
IdrA's rage towards protoss adds to IdrA's casting personality. He doesn't go overboard with it at all from what I've seen, but it adds a little flair to the cast. I think it's totally fine.
I thought they were really good and it was surprising to hear and see a more relaxed and happy Idra. I can't remember hearing him laugh so much lol... But I kind of think it's due to Khaldor as well, they seem to get along well for some reason which is cool.
Definitely Idra is the more analytical but tbh I don't feel like Khaldor is playbyplay only, he actually knows a hell of a lot simply because he casts a ton of shit all the fucking time... like really, the guy is a casting machine. Khaldor has also casted for a loooooong time since the warcraft 3 days yaknow. Albeit in german for the most part but still, he's not a newcomer to casting.
And knows what RTS games are about.. He also seems to be the kind of person who talks to alot of pro gamers and discuss the game frequently so he definitely has a lot of insights into builds and sc2 in general, plus the different players, cus he knows them and casts them and sees them play all the time. The guy should get a bit more recognition from people who thinks he's just a playbyplay caster who tries hard. He's actually pretty fucking good and mega invested..
i listened to some of their commentray, and it is good, but a bit too dry. Dont get me wrong, i dont like the fake excitement and screaming either, but on the long run Idra's voice is very monotone and Khaldor's is not that much better
On August 04 2013 12:19 Plansix wrote: Dry humor is the best humor. Idra was always like this, but we never got to see it. Also, we never got to hear him say "Good forcefields"
Didn't he say something like "so many forcefields" or "lots of forcefields?" Game was on Bel'shir Vestige.
On August 04 2013 15:11 ComplexConf wrote: I thought they were really good and it was surprising to hear and see a more relaxed and happy Idra. I can't remember hearing him laugh so much lol... But I kind of think it's due to Khaldor as well, they seem to get along well for some reason which is cool.
Definitely Idra is the more analytical but tbh I don't feel like Khaldor is playbyplay only, he actually knows a hell of a lot simply because he casts a ton of shit all the fucking time... like really, the guy is a casting machine. Khaldor has also casted for a loooooong time since the warcraft 3 days yaknow. Albeit in german for the most part but still, he's not a newcomer to casting.
And knows what RTS games are about.. He also seems to be the kind of person who talks to alot of pro gamers and discuss the game frequently so he definitely has a lot of insights into builds and sc2 in general, plus the different players, cus he knows them and casts them and sees them play all the time. The guy should get a bit more recognition from people who thinks he's just a playbyplay caster who tries hard. He's actually pretty fucking good and mega invested..
tahts my 2cents..
P.S Tastosis are still the best OP. I'm sorry.
He might know a lot about the scene but he knows very little about the game itself. Surely by now he would know the timings that terrans/zergs/protosses take there thirds at etc, or that a starport at 5 minutes is super early and indicative of banshees, or really a whole list of things.
On August 04 2013 12:19 Plansix wrote: Dry humor is the best humor. Idra was always like this, but we never got to see it. Also, we never got to hear him say "Good forcefields"
Didn't he say something like "so many forcefields" or "lots of forcefields?" Game was on Bel'shir Vestige.
I'll be honest and say I loved the analytical casting of idra, gotta work on the monotone a bit but other then that really enjoyed his casting. Hope I can see more soon :D Oh and the slight imba whines or whatever people think they were, are actually entertaining for me. Personalized touches and opinions I find are great, you don't have to be COMPLETELY impartial when casting a match.
i enjoyed their first cast immensely. some constructive feedback is that i think they crossed over into each other's territories (analytics/play by play) a little more than they needed to.
oh idra and the hate hes got for protoss lol .. just kidding
i agree that the duo was great but they just lack the enthusiasm that makes me watch tastosis or apollo and technically anyone(seriously apollo is entertaining as fvck with anyone)
though i have to agree that idra's commenting has content and almost everything he says is a really thought out well done analysis
they still lack the little part called goofing a little .. it makes sc2 not so boring to watch .. and they make a perfect duo if they added that a little but .. although they are great and just a little more work they might be on par with fanfavorites like tastosis
On August 04 2013 15:49 goody153 wrote: oh idra and the hate hes got for protoss lol .. just kidding
i agree that the duo was great but they just lack the enthusiasm that makes me watch tastosis or apollo and technically anyone(seriously apollo is entertaining as fvck with anyone)
though i have to agree that idra's commenting has content and almost everything he says is a really thought out well done analysis
they still lack the little part called goofing a little .. it makes sc2 not so boring to watch .. and they make a perfect duo if they added that a little but .. although they are great and just a little more work they might be on par with fanfavorites like tastosis
it honestly sh1ts me when people type like this when theres no fvcking censoring
On August 04 2013 15:45 iNcontroL wrote: DAE IMO THINK ____________ IS BEST CASTER EVER?
(after they cast for first ish time)
At the very least, it is pretty awesome that our community has a wide variety of casters we consider good or great (who are also spread out in each of the major regions, yet not locked to those areas).
They were great, but I don't know about the best ever. Put any of the best player-casters together with an experienced caster and the result will be that good. For example: Idra/Grubby/Hasuobs/Tod with Khaldor/Apollo/Artosis/Bitterdam, you can't go wrong with those combinations.
Best casting duo is a bit of a stretch. I think Idra will be alot better once he gets more comfortable with mixing in a more relaxing/entertainer vibe, as it didn't seem as well presented as tastosis. (just my opinion)
What I personally really really enjoyed was the refreshing bluntness and the intelligence of the casting. Instead of saying the generic phrases such as "oh that was interesting, lets see how it turns out", Idra would say "this is silly/terrible/bad, ...explanation..." which in it self is humours but also extremely insightful.
They did a surprisingly good job casting together and I enjoyed it however...
The issue I have with them is that they both have a strong tendency to whine... or perhaps be very critical. Instead of the "exciting clash of the titans" feel I get the "horrible noobs playing a broken game" feel. No way they are getting to the top with that attitude in my world.
Idra cast was quite good for a first try in a major event. But I feel there is still rooms for improvement in his cast, I would like to see him more enthusistic about the game, and I think he still talks way too quickly sometimes.
Good job to Idra and Khaldor, but no, that is definitely not my prefered casting duo :p
On August 04 2013 15:45 iNcontroL wrote: DAE IMO THINK ____________ IS BEST CASTER EVER?
(after they cast for first ish time)
hes casted before and he sucked then. this asus rog cast was the most enjoyable cast, and i have seen every single cast of every tourny (for me it was preferable)
things i value....
- acting like a professional (they are not super professional but more so then others) - knowledge but more importantly putting that knowledge into form where i dont have to try hard to understand and i can just enjoy the show. - roles, i dont feel there is a need to talk over anyone. if there is dead air (first 8mins) idra is probably talking about what he thinks might happen, how it will happen, why it should or should not happen and then khaldor chimes in some details but never takes over as the analyst and certainly doesnt talk over him. during action khaldor talks and idra waits for the end of the fight to analyze what happened and give us maybe deeper insight into what khaldor just described in the more broad hyped sense
On August 04 2013 12:16 biteMe wrote: khaldor is speaking very slowly. especially when he raises his voice to make things look exciting he sounds like a disabled person.
I agree, every time he starts speaking at a slower pace, Khaldor becomes annoying. Idra has notoriety, but he should start playing more Terran and Protoss and hopefully he won't be so biased towards Zerg...
i really have to say that i enjoyed it quite alot =P khaldor is a very nice guy and idra is... idra^^ the show was very funny and educational. you never had the feeling that one of them doesnt really understand the game. of course IdrA has the better gameknowledge but Khaldor didnt make mistakes either. its not like when you hear tastosis... while artosis gives the community a very analytic view on the game, tasteless just randomly throws in the most obvious things in the world or makes some really really weird comments.
For me, it was Idra who was the star of the show. I wouldn't expect any less from a top 10 gm player. But what surprised me was his willingness to learn the other races, especially considering his past history. He has clearly done his homework. I hope it continues in the future.
A lot of other casters, even pro level, don't do their homework on other races. As a Terran player, it gets frustrating because everyone and their mother and brothers plays protoss.
On August 04 2013 16:45 TRaFFiC wrote: For me, it was Idra who was the star of the show. I wouldn't expect any less from a top 10 gm player. But what surprised me was his willingness to learn the other races, especially considering his past history. He has clearly done his homework. I hope it continues in the future.
A lot of other casters, even pro level, don't do their homework on other races. As a Terran player, it gets frustrating because everyone and their mother and brothers plays protoss.
I have never liked Tastosis(or what ever it s), and I have never watched gsl. For me Apollo is the best caster. But I have to say that idra knew so much about game when there was zerg playing.
I never was an IdrA fan when he was a player. But this role suits him perfectly. He has the knowledge and authority to talk about the game. Khaldor knows when to troll IdrA, when to hype. So job well done.
I really really like them. I have almost nothing negative to say. Maybe one thing, but It is to be expected. They might be a bit too negative minded, they seem way more likely to bash players, than to praise them. Pointing out what the player did wrong and how bad it was, compared to how good their opponent actually played, there is a time and a place for both, but if you lean in one direction too much it might actually be bad for the players and the scene, cause fans might adopt the view and start calling players who are pretty good, shit, which is already happening all the time.But again, it is Idra and he will be Idra lol. So the cast is going to be a bit more critical and negative. Overall though, I really loved the casting duo. Sometimes Khaldor says something wrong, like blurting out bad injects and no larva, when the player just made 72 lings. Mistakes happen though.
They function very well as a duo. Idra cools down Khaldor a little bit, which is nice, because Khaldor has a tendency to go too much into the "drama" direction. My favourite duo still is Artosis/Apollo, but Khaldor/Idra would belong to my top 3.
They casted one event... If we're going to use that to qualify a casting duo, there are a lot of casting duos that are better.
Artosis + any number of the people he has casted with (Tasteless, Apollo, Wolf, etc.) Wolf + any number of the people he has casted with (Whiplash, Artosis, Khaldor) And, I personally enjoyed Bitterdam more.
Khaldor obviously still has a little accent to his casting. It's not a big deal, but it's still there. He still makes incorrect calls / exaggerates how far ahead / behind a player is and goes overboard bashing players when it's not deserved / a big deal. And, he still makes it hard to take his casting as seriously when he trolls / responds to trolls / holds questionable opinions / biases as much as he currently does.
Idra is a better analyst but he hasn't been a top player in a long time so people should stop pretending that he has the opinions of one or the same intricate understandings of the current meta-game. When you leave that profession because you can't cut it anymore, you can't claim its benefits while not dealing with its burdens. He has way too many biases in his casting and as per his happy birthday Starcraft persona, lacks any and all enthusiasm that is vital to being a good caster. It's just like way back when he casted the GSL. His presentation is lacking.
I really enjoyed Khaldor and Idra and I think they range within the top 3 tier of caster duos now simply because Idra still makes some nasty comments about other players while Khaldor teases him xD Day9/Husky, Tastosis and Khaldor/Idra are the best at the moment.
On August 04 2013 17:06 Brian333 wrote: They casted one event... If we're going to use that to qualify a casting duo, there are a lot of casting duos that are better.
Artosis + any number of the people he has casted with (Tasteless, Apollo, Wolf, etc.) Wolf + any number of the people he has casted with (Whiplash, Artosis, Khaldor) And, I personally enjoyed Bitterdam more.
Khaldor obviously still has a little accent to his casting. It's not a big deal, but it's still there. He still makes incorrect calls / exaggerates how far ahead / behind a player is and goes overboard bashing players when it's not deserved / a big deal. And, he still makes it hard to take his casting as seriously when he trolls / responds to trolls / holds questionable opinions / biases as much as he currently does.
Idra is a better analyst but he hasn't been a top player in a long time so people should stop pretending that he has the opinions of one or the same intricate understandings of the current meta-game. When you leave that profession because you can't cut it anymore, you can't claim its benefits while not dealing with its burdens. He has way too many biases in his casting and as per his happy birthday Starcraft persona, lacks any and all enthusiasm that is vital to being a good caster. It's just like way back when he casted the GSL. His presentation is lacking.
Idra was playing top level koreans in WCS NA and top of the NA ladder like 1-2 months ago. You don't just lose that kind of talent overnight. And don't give me this bullshit that NA ladder is full of nubs. We're in NA. That's the ladder we play on.
There is a long history of ex players moving to commentary roles in sports. Seems like a natural transition after playing bw and sc2 for years.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of his personality, but bashing his ability to call games is just stupid.
I love Idra no matter who he casts with simply because he is the most educated in terms of strategy and has the best game sense of any caster. It's great to see educated input in what's happening with the game.
For a first time cast Idra/Khaldor were definitely the best. But something has to be said for years spent together and building up compatibility, therefore, Tasteosis takes the cake in my books.
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
It's very good for their first time casting together, IdrA definitely surprised me and i'm kinda glad that he's actually casting now instead of playing full time
On August 02 2013 00:40 eurTsItniH wrote: Man I love the Khaldor + Idra combo.
Khaldra <3
But seriously; Why does everything have to be a competition? I enjoyed their cast a lot as do I enjoy several other casters/ duo's. Variety is most important here; I wouldn't want every tournament I watch being casted by the same people. Fortunately that's not necessary (or possible) because we've got quite a few good casters out there.
IdrA's tone is a bit monotonous for me, and it became quite clear as the days went on that he wasn't used to casting for multiple hours on end, and he'd get tired. I guess that's something he just needs to work on.
On August 04 2013 17:06 Brian333 wrote: They casted one event... If we're going to use that to qualify a casting duo, there are a lot of casting duos that are better.
Artosis + any number of the people he has casted with (Tasteless, Apollo, Wolf, etc.) Wolf + any number of the people he has casted with (Whiplash, Artosis, Khaldor) And, I personally enjoyed Bitterdam more.
Khaldor obviously still has a little accent to his casting. It's not a big deal, but it's still there. He still makes incorrect calls / exaggerates how far ahead / behind a player is and goes overboard bashing players when it's not deserved / a big deal. And, he still makes it hard to take his casting as seriously when he trolls / responds to trolls / holds questionable opinions / biases as much as he currently does.
Idra is a better analyst but he hasn't been a top player in a long time so people should stop pretending that he has the opinions of one or the same intricate understandings of the current meta-game. When you leave that profession because you can't cut it anymore, you can't claim its benefits while not dealing with its burdens. He has way too many biases in his casting and as per his happy birthday Starcraft persona, lacks any and all enthusiasm that is vital to being a good caster. It's just like way back when he casted the GSL. His presentation is lacking.
Idra was playing top level koreans in WCS NA and top of the NA ladder like 1-2 months ago. You don't just lose that kind of talent overnight. And don't give me this bullshit that NA ladder is full of nubs. We're in NA. That's the ladder we play on.
There is a long history of ex players moving to commentary roles in sports. Seems like a natural transition after playing bw and sc2 for years.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of his personality, but bashing his ability to call games is just stupid.
Revival and Polt are not "top level koreans." Top level Koreans are the likes of Innovation, Flash, Soulkey, Life, Rain, sOs, etc. Also, getting 4-0'd out of the group stage doesn't really help much, anyways. And, that was almost 3 months ago. Take any pro-gamer out of their practice environment for 3 months and see how much they regress vs. the rest of the still-active and rapidly changing scene.
I'm not the one that is exaggerating here. Am I wrong to say that Idra is no longer a pro-gamer? So, why should we consider his opinion on that level? That's all I'm saying. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
I tired to stick to community streams but from what I've seen I hope this was the last we've seen of this duo. Idra hasn't changed his casting a single bit and still sounds like unemotional robot. I'm sure he brings his fanbase to the stream but viewer numbers looked poor anyway so maybe we can have a half-decent caster next time.
Had to vote tastetosis, the dry humor and irony of artosis in combination with the sometimes dumb remarks of tasteless is just briliant. Also realy did like idra/khaldor as a caster duo, idra can be realy nice and funny when he doesnt act like a jerk and he has alot of insight in the game.
I think Tastosis are still better, but not by much. TBH I would love to see Tastosis and Khaldra get mixed.
On August 04 2013 18:18 sja wrote: Please make idra+khaldor replace apollo+x everywhere they can ! I can't stand this british boy and his silly calls anymore...
On August 04 2013 17:06 Brian333 wrote: They casted one event... If we're going to use that to qualify a casting duo, there are a lot of casting duos that are better.
Artosis + any number of the people he has casted with (Tasteless, Apollo, Wolf, etc.) Wolf + any number of the people he has casted with (Whiplash, Artosis, Khaldor) And, I personally enjoyed Bitterdam more.
Khaldor obviously still has a little accent to his casting. It's not a big deal, but it's still there. He still makes incorrect calls / exaggerates how far ahead / behind a player is and goes overboard bashing players when it's not deserved / a big deal. And, he still makes it hard to take his casting as seriously when he trolls / responds to trolls / holds questionable opinions / biases as much as he currently does.
Idra is a better analyst but he hasn't been a top player in a long time so people should stop pretending that he has the opinions of one or the same intricate understandings of the current meta-game. When you leave that profession because you can't cut it anymore, you can't claim its benefits while not dealing with its burdens. He has way too many biases in his casting and as per his happy birthday Starcraft persona, lacks any and all enthusiasm that is vital to being a good caster. It's just like way back when he casted the GSL. His presentation is lacking.
Idra was playing top level koreans in WCS NA and top of the NA ladder like 1-2 months ago. You don't just lose that kind of talent overnight. And don't give me this bullshit that NA ladder is full of nubs. We're in NA. That's the ladder we play on.
There is a long history of ex players moving to commentary roles in sports. Seems like a natural transition after playing bw and sc2 for years.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of his personality, but bashing his ability to call games is just stupid.
Revival and Polt are not "top level koreans." Top level Koreans are the likes of Innovation, Flash, Soulkey, Life, Rain, sOs, etc. Also, getting 4-0'd out of the group stage doesn't really help much, anyways. And, that was almost 3 months ago. Take any pro-gamer out of their practice environment for 3 months and see how much they regress vs. the rest of the still-active and rapidly changing scene.
I'm not the one that is exaggerating here. Am I wrong to say that Idra is no longer a pro-gamer? So, why should we consider his opinion on that level? That's all I'm saying. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
Revival and Polt aren't top level Koreans? LOL Both of them won tournaments recently. You're quite the elitist.
I guess according to you, if they aren't top 5 in the world, they are shit.
Truth of the matter is, it doesn't make any difference to the audience whether they are top 200 gm or top 5. 99.999 % of people who watch sc2 couldn't tell the difference.
On August 04 2013 15:37 Kurbz wrote: I'll be honest and say I loved the analytical casting of idra, gotta work on the monotone a bit but other then that really enjoyed his casting. Hope I can see more soon :D Oh and the slight imba whines or whatever people think they were, are actually entertaining for me. Personalized touches and opinions I find are great, you don't have to be COMPLETELY impartial when casting a match.
I totally agree.
Also, even though I really enjoyed idra+khaldor, I would LOVE to see idra+apollo! Those two personalities could make the best casting duo imo.
On August 04 2013 12:19 Plansix wrote: Dry humor is the best humor. Idra was always like this, but we never got to see it. Also, we never got to hear him say "Good forcefields"
Well, i heard him say that one pair of forcefields cut an army in half. Just after that like 10 hydras got caught in other force fields, after which he said they were caught very efficiently by so few force fields.
That's close enough to me.^^
but on them as a casting duo, it was better then i thought it'd be. I hope they keep up the good work
I also enjoyed the casting duo KhaldrA, especially for their first time casting together (and there is still a lot of room for improvement). Though, I don´t think they´re the best yet, but definitely one of the best. Tastosis is still the best imo.
I particularly liked the honesty of IdrA during the casts. He says it the way it is (e. g. who the better player is or which mistake led to the loss of one particular player). Although, when LiveZerg played Taeja in the group stage, IdrA mentioned before the game that he has some bad memories about LiveZerg to whom he lost some months or even years ago (I don´t remember it exactly). Then as the match progresses he kinda "bashed" LiveZerg for making a few mistakes. In one fight, IdrA criticised the army conrol of LiveZerg and repeatedly stressed it. He has to avoid these things and to stop being biased.
Nontheless the casting was excellent, despite sometimes Idra made a weird stare into the camera which gave me the creeps :D
Khaldor is just a no-go, I'm sry but that's how it is. I can't stand his casting and he was constantly shouting over Idra yesterday btw. I appreciate how much work Khaldor puts into this community but his casting just isn't good. Overexcitement for situations, boring phrases all over and over (I guess that goes with a lot of casters), he used to missjudge a lot and still does( it got a LOT better tho) and he tends to have som biased for matches.
Btw, Wolf doesn't get enough recognition for how much of a good caster he is. Let Wolf cast more with people and you will see how much superior he is to most of the casters
On August 04 2013 18:12 Rassy wrote: Had to vote tastetosis, the dry humor and irony of artosis in combination with the sometimes dumb remarks of tasteless is just briliant. Also realy did like idra/khaldor as a caster duo, idra can be realy nice and funny when he doesnt act like a jerk and he has alot of insight in the game.
Idra got Artosis beat in dry humor by a mile though.
This is entirely subjective. I can't stand Khaldor purely based on his personality off screen and his casting isn't up to much either. He just ignores a lot of the things going on so he can talk about what he thinks people need to hear. Idra is good purely for his knowledge but sometimes his bias can come in a bit too much.
I personally think the best casting duo is Apollo and Kaelaris followed by Apollo and Day9 and Apollo and iNcontrol when he casts.
I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
On August 04 2013 19:09 Qikz wrote: This is entirely subjective. I can't stand Khaldor purely based on his personality off screen and his casting isn't up to much either. He just ignores a lot of the things going on so he can talk about what he thinks people need to hear.
I have to agree. He just ignores stuff that he doesnt want to talk about. That mostly destroys any synnergy with the other caster. He is very dominant and some time ago he used to make his cocaster look bad. Dunno if it changed much but his huge ego is a something that makes him stagnate in his progress in getting better in my opinion.
It just somtetimes feels like he is throwing stones into the gear. Thats ok with Wolf since Wolf seems to be going with this and doesnt bring stuff Khaldor doesnt want to talk about.
Also IdrA & Khalldor often retold the same thing 3 times in a row which i found kind of funny. Their casting style is very analytic and similar so they tell the story more than once after each game/situation.
Id like to see IdrA with some more ppl since his casting really felt fresh. He has some kind of humor and is trying to improve which you can hear during the cast. He makes some bad calls but thats something he can work on.
Overall it was ok but far from best. Which you cant even say when they cast only once together., You need to work together more often.
On August 04 2013 18:18 sja wrote: Please make idra+khaldor replace apollo+x everywhere they can ! I can't stand this british boy and his silly calls anymore...
Silly calls? He's one of the most knowledgeable casters and is right like most of the time, rarely is he ever wrong o_O
On August 04 2013 19:13 Liman wrote: Idra is not bad but lacks casting personality+sometimes he mumbles.He can get better but probably will never get as good as top casters.
He's already a top caster just by knowledge alone imo at least. Some people look for other things when they try to find a caster they enjoy, whether that's knowledge about the game etc
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
but on an equally real note, letting the analyst talk then letting the play by play talk is a large part in why other combos fail. its not idras depth that just makes him good, its his willingness to take turns with his co caster. you cant all speak at the same time
id say idra is the better of the 2 in terms of bringing to the table, but khaldor wasnt my fav caster till today, he did a REAL good job
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Everyone has bias whether it's for a race, their favorite players or whatever else it may be.
On August 04 2013 17:06 Brian333 wrote: They casted one event... If we're going to use that to qualify a casting duo, there are a lot of casting duos that are better.
Artosis + any number of the people he has casted with (Tasteless, Apollo, Wolf, etc.) Wolf + any number of the people he has casted with (Whiplash, Artosis, Khaldor) And, I personally enjoyed Bitterdam more.
Khaldor obviously still has a little accent to his casting. It's not a big deal, but it's still there. He still makes incorrect calls / exaggerates how far ahead / behind a player is and goes overboard bashing players when it's not deserved / a big deal. And, he still makes it hard to take his casting as seriously when he trolls / responds to trolls / holds questionable opinions / biases as much as he currently does.
Idra is a better analyst but he hasn't been a top player in a long time so people should stop pretending that he has the opinions of one or the same intricate understandings of the current meta-game. When you leave that profession because you can't cut it anymore, you can't claim its benefits while not dealing with its burdens. He has way too many biases in his casting and as per his happy birthday Starcraft persona, lacks any and all enthusiasm that is vital to being a good caster. It's just like way back when he casted the GSL. His presentation is lacking.
Idra was playing top level koreans in WCS NA and top of the NA ladder like 1-2 months ago. You don't just lose that kind of talent overnight. And don't give me this bullshit that NA ladder is full of nubs. We're in NA. That's the ladder we play on.
There is a long history of ex players moving to commentary roles in sports. Seems like a natural transition after playing bw and sc2 for years.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of his personality, but bashing his ability to call games is just stupid.
Revival and Polt are not "top level koreans." Top level Koreans are the likes of Innovation, Flash, Soulkey, Life, Rain, sOs, etc. .
So in your mind the winners of IEM Shanghai and MLG Anaheim aren't top level koreans?
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
I liked them. Idra has the skills, the only thing he lacks is polish and perhaps a certain amount of enthusiasm. Khaldor is just fucking dreamy, so there's no complaints there.
And anything that doesn't have TotalBiscuit involved works for me.
i too thought it was the best it had way less goof attached than that of TB, tasteosis (although artosis when not with tastelss is pretty good) and day9. i kinda liked wheat though before this sc2 train started going and he wasnt as elitist as he sounds right now, but yea, idra/khal very good although i think an idra wheat might be good
IdrA did a good job casting at Asus ROG. He especially does a good job pointing out the descisive moments of a game, and gives credit to the truly skilled plays instead of standard or lucky ones.
His perspective is that of a dedicated Zerg player, and he doesn't even try to hide this. It is a potential weakness compared to, say, Day9 or Apollo, who treat each race objectively.
That being said, IdrA possibly has the most progaming experience of all foreigners, and certainly of all casters. His style as a player was not particularly individualistic, but rather about following the metagame and perfecting builds. All that really shows in his fast and accurate analysis.
I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
Though I was surprised - in a good way - by their cast at ASUS RoG, I believe that they have a lot to work on. Khaldor is an OK caster, but IdrA can be a complete turnoff. He is so obviously biased towards Zerg and Korean players that it becomes annoying.
IMO any duo with Apollo or Day9 is much better. Both have rock-solid analyses to offer as well as enjoyable personalities.
I feel like Tastosis have been falling behind lately, but they're still great entertainers.
On August 04 2013 19:50 Syn Harvest wrote: I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
u ever watch the 2GD show? he ruins that entire show they make fun of him constantly. for good reason but ye semmler ruins things
So is it okay if I say that I didn't like it? I didn't watch a lot, maybe 6h total but they didn't grow on me and Idras monotone voice wasn't getting me hyped =/ Khaldor can sure fire off but when he then hands it over to Idra it falls flat and it almost got me annoyed at times...
TvZ isn't this combos strong side and it imo hurt those matches a lot.
But hey you can't have everyone mindlessly like you
On August 04 2013 19:50 Syn Harvest wrote: I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
u ever watch the 2GD show? he ruins that entire show they make fun of him constantly. for good reason but ye semmler ruins things
Did you just create a thread so you could praise and bash whoever you want? That's pretty silly...
On August 04 2013 19:50 Syn Harvest wrote: I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
u ever watch the 2GD show? he ruins that entire show they make fun of him constantly. for good reason but ye semmler ruins things
Did you just create a thread so you could praise and bash whoever you want? That's pretty silly...
eh its harsh critique but i "dislike him" the rest of the tourny was great
I did very much like the lack of artificial excitement and hype. That's one thing many people do a lot of that can get pretty annoying. Idra is also quite good at providing simple and sometimes chuckle-worth explanations of what happened.
Overall Idra's style reminded me a lot of InControl's style. If he can work on being a little more engaging and maybe a little happier. I get that this is not exactly his personality brand but it can really help create interesting content in the slower parts of the game and seeing a dry personality (even dry humor) constantly for a long period of time can be a bit of a downer.
I liked it a lot. Best is probably Artosis and Apollo, Khaldor and Idra no 2, and for 3rd place id go with Tod and Kaelaris.
I think Khaldor did an excellent job to make it a light hearted cast and not get too negative and grumpy. That was really impressive how he handled it imo.
On August 04 2013 19:50 Syn Harvest wrote: I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
u ever watch the 2GD show? he ruins that entire show they make fun of him constantly. for good reason but ye semmler ruins things
Did you just create a thread so you could praise and bash whoever you want? That's pretty silly...
Gr33n loves bashing people.
I enjoyed Semmler's interviews. I didn't see anything awkward at all about them. I actually thought they were some of the best I seen. He did a good job of getting the Koreans to feel comfortable and speak some English.
I think some people just live their whole life in one place and can't stand any different accent, mannerisms etc. To these people, I say go live and explore.
On August 04 2013 19:50 Syn Harvest wrote: I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
u ever watch the 2GD show? he ruins that entire show they make fun of him constantly. for good reason but ye semmler ruins things
Did you just create a thread so you could praise and bash whoever you want? That's pretty silly...
eh its harsh critique but i "dislike him" the rest of the tourny was great
I don't know man. My idea of a caster is some who has a high level of knowledge about the sport/activity they are casting, which Idra obviously has. Also though in a caster I kind of want someone who has a good personality, a passion for the game and a genuine respect for the players - which I think Idra lacks in those aspects.
So i watched 1-2 games from the tournament with khal/idra casting and tbh i found it very lackluster. Idra just sounds like some kid talking about a game he is watching. He isn't a caster at all. There are plenty of other casters out there that would pair better with khaldor. Please no more Idra casting ;/
On August 04 2013 19:50 Syn Harvest wrote: I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
u ever watch the 2GD show? he ruins that entire show they make fun of him constantly. for good reason but ye semmler ruins things
Did you just create a thread so you could praise and bash whoever you want? That's pretty silly...
eh its harsh critique but i "dislike him" the rest of the tourny was great
It's not " harsh critique ", it's just bashing.
k he did a really really bad job and shouldnt be hired again. no bush beating. dont be enablers. if someone is bad make it known
On August 04 2013 20:09 Snusmumriken wrote: I never was a fan of Idra the player, but I must say he is really really good as a caster. His only downside is his voice.
On August 04 2013 19:50 Syn Harvest wrote: I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
u ever watch the 2GD show? he ruins that entire show they make fun of him constantly. for good reason but ye semmler ruins things
Did you just create a thread so you could praise and bash whoever you want? That's pretty silly...
eh its harsh critique but i "dislike him" the rest of the tourny was great
It's not " harsh critique ", it's just bashing.
k he did a really really bad job and shouldnt be hired again. no bush beating. dont be enablers. if someone is bad make it known
It's his right to have a different opinion. This has nothing to do with being an enabler.
On the other hand, it isn't your right to come on a community site and bash people. Just keep it to yourself. It's toxic.
On August 04 2013 20:09 Snusmumriken wrote: I never was a fan of Idra the player, but I must say he is really really good as a caster. His only downside is his voice.
Yeah his bad. He'll have a new one next cast
We all know he didn't get to pick one but it is his shortcoming.
On August 04 2013 13:30 DeathProfessor wrote: Idra is now best American caster, Day9 is still a better representative for the community though, however he lost his edge IMO with his game knowledge and has too many weird quirks like the constant orgasmic whoooooahs, and UH OH UH OH UH OH.
i can't agree more on the day9 screaming and orgasmis whoaah part. i think idra / khaldor is a really good combo aswell.
I've enjoyed literally all of the casting duos on that list, but Idra did very well and gelled especially well with Khaldor. Will be nice to hear Idra with others too; Idra + Apollo or Idra + Artosis would be siiiick.
On August 04 2013 20:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think the best duo I've heard in recent times is Kaelaris/ToD. They were amazing together during WCS EU.
Yes I totally agree with that. Best duo so far, for me. For Idra/ Khaldor I really enjoyed both of them, great insights by Idra and Khaldor was able to communicate well with Idra, to show a bit of his personallity and of course his play by play is pretty good.
I do not really understand what some of the people's problem is with Semmler, I especially liked his interviews, relaxed but yet really interesting, especially with the Koreans. Maybe he can work a bit on his stage "presentation", it seemed a bit too casual for my liking. But other than that, good stuff
IdrA + Khaldor was really good, but why is no one giving love to NASL duos? BitterDam and FroTorp are amazing casting duos I think. I want more NASL stuff!!
IdrA and Khaldor were good, but that's overhype cause it's a new thing. Tastosis are always the best. And I've seen Khaldor doing a much better work then this at Asus, too many mistakes and unnecessary screams.
I think Apollo, Artosis and Khaldor should cast every event there is. Khaldor is the best PBP caster and no one come close to Apollo and Artosis in game knowledge (not even when players are casting IMO).
It is definitely refreshing to see a former top-tier professional to commentate because he has very deep analysis and knows how to be professional. However, it would be nice, if he would lighten up a bit.
On August 04 2013 19:50 Syn Harvest wrote: I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
u ever watch the 2GD show? he ruins that entire show they make fun of him constantly. for good reason but ye semmler ruins things
Did you just create a thread so you could praise and bash whoever you want? That's pretty silly...
eh its harsh critique but i "dislike him" the rest of the tourny was great
It's not " harsh critique ", it's just bashing.
k he did a really really bad job and shouldnt be hired again. no bush beating. dont be enablers. if someone is bad make it known
It's his right to have a different opinion. This has nothing to do with being an enabler.
On the other hand, it isn't your right to come on a community site and bash people. Just keep it to yourself. It's toxic.
This person is right, which is why I was skeptical about this thread at first. And pretty much, seeing how the OP responds confirms my suspicion. This thread is nothing more but a place where he can express his personal opinions without bring anything significant to the discussion.
I really enjoyed their casting, my favourite "caster" would be Grubby though. I don't get all the hype for tastosis (Artosis is fine), I guess it's because they were one of the first starcraft casters. Tasteless is just really, really bad unless you're looking for a caster who will tell you dozens of times that base races favour Terran because their buildings can fly or that the map is about to be mined out.
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.
If we would have seen mech in 1/3 of the games it very well could be. There was enough of condescension in Artosis telling everyone how he knows mech better than the pros.
On August 04 2013 21:06 berndniph wrote: what i don't like on idra's casting is the lack of exitement.
tastosis is the way to go in terms of entertainment. khaldor / wolf is very close, if not better.
I think its a big difference if you're casting the whole day. I don't remember them making things that exciting, but you have to consider that usually, tournaments which last that long have a lot of different casters available. This time it was khaldor and idra all the time, so they had to be very exhausted at some point I think.
But in general, I also really enjoyed the cast and the tournament.
A pretty biased / lacking selection of caster duos in this thread, but I voted for Idra & Khaldor anyway because their performance was clearly better than any other option. I for one can't see anything worth liking in the Tastosis / Apollo combinations. Anyway, Chobra is one of the best casters out there no doubt and ToD's insight and analysis is on the same level as IdrA's or higher (depending on race) but I suppose Americans don't like his accent.
Well it's a very personal preference anyway. I prefer tastosis or Apollo + TB, but their cast was great too. I also like Mr bitter and Rotterdam, and Kaelaris + ToD was really enjoyable. Not to mention day9 whoever he is paired with. To me the great thing about having so many casting teams is that each has its pro and cons, each has its specific humor and jokes and behavior toward each other. The casting of the games themselves is less important to me than the atmosphere of the cast and how they fill downtime, how they keep people entertained at all times. I mean, of course analytical casting is important, but I tend to enjoy more when there isn't 10mn of awkward silence between games, and instead funny dialogues and jokes. But then again it is highly subjective, and that's why it always has amazed me how people can bash on casters based on personal preferences. Great job from them anyway, looking forward to more!
I like how honest Idra is while casting. He doesn't overhype matches, and if he says the forcefields were bad, they really were. My only complain is Khaldor's voice when he gets excited.
On August 04 2013 20:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think the best duo I've heard in recent times is Kaelaris/ToD. They were amazing together during WCS EU.
Yes I totally agree with that. Best duo so far, for me. For Idra/ Khaldor I really enjoyed both of them, great insights by Idra and Khaldor was able to communicate well with Idra, to show a bit of his personallity and of course his play by play is pretty good.
I do not really understand what some of the people's problem is with Semmler, I especially liked his interviews, relaxed but yet really interesting, especially with the Koreans. Maybe he can work a bit on his stage "presentation", it seemed a bit too casual for my liking. But other than that, good stuff
wow Kaelaris/Tod how can i forget them .. they were the reasons why i would be so willing to stay up late to watch wcs eu last season ..
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.
Sign? You mean "Sigh"?
Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech. I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports. There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.
There are too many A-league casters not listed here for me to take the poll seriously. (Grubby, Day9, djWheat, Incontrol, Rotterdam, Bitter, you get the picture.)
I did feel they have synergy ~ a great improvement over casters who take turns talking, so in that I agree with the OP
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.
Sign? You mean "Sigh"?
Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech. I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports. There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.
Whats the purpose of those first two sentences? It was pretty clear what he meant.
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.
Sign? You mean "Sigh"?
Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech. I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports. There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.
Whats the purpose of those first two sentences? It was pretty clear what he meant.
I think IdrA has potential as a caster, but I am not sure that Khaldor is the best match for him. I remember really enjoying some casts of IdrA+IncontroL. Incontrol obviously knows IdrA quite well and so he was able to "play him" right, poke him in the right ways and in general create a fun atmoshpere centered around IdrA's infinite dryness of humour. But Khaldor doesn't seem to be able to do that, instead we are getting a quite standard "good casts" - while there is potential for more fun. Also, I feel the contrasr between IdrA's level and constant voice and Khaldor's overacting is too much. Khaldor+Wolf just work better together and I remember seeing some rare casts of Khlador and Artosis and it was awesome, but here I didn't feel the right synergy.
I still give the edge to Tastosis. Artosis' game knowledge is unparalleled and he and Tasteless just have so much more experience together.
Having said that, I GREATLY enjoyed listening to these two over the weekend, and I am excited to hear more from them in the future. They did a fantastic job and can only get better with time.
On August 04 2013 19:50 Syn Harvest wrote: I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
u ever watch the 2GD show? he ruins that entire show they make fun of him constantly. for good reason but ye semmler ruins things
Did you just create a thread so you could praise and bash whoever you want? That's pretty silly...
eh its harsh critique but i "dislike him" the rest of the tourny was great
It's not " harsh critique ", it's just bashing.
k he did a really really bad job and shouldnt be hired again. no bush beating. dont be enablers. if someone is bad make it known
It's his right to have a different opinion. This has nothing to do with being an enabler.
On the other hand, it isn't your right to come on a community site and bash people. Just keep it to yourself. It's toxic.
This person is right, which is why I was skeptical about this thread at first. And pretty much, seeing how the OP responds confirms my suspicion. This thread is nothing more but a place where he can express his personal opinions without bring anything significant to the discussion.
Tbh it was obvious from the thread title alone since it wasn't a question to lure discussion but a statement or fact as the OP seems to think that his opinion on things are like we can see from the thread itself.
idra + artosis would probably be the best pairing. they're good friends to begin with so chemistry would never be a problem. you'd also have 2 casters who have a lot of game knowledge of 2 races between them. artosis can provide the color casting as well. i'd like to see this combo happen
On August 04 2013 22:20 theMagus wrote: idra + artosis would probably be the best pairing. they're good friends to begin with so chemistry would never be a problem. you'd also have 2 casters who have a lot of game knowledge of 2 races between them. artosis can provide the color casting as well. i'd like to see this combo happen
not so sure about that. artosis likes to shout over his partners voice and i would really hate him if he shouted nonsense while idra was explaining something. khaldor is calmer and more patient which suits idra well as a casting partner.
i dont get the idra hype here and on reddit, did you guys already forget how he really is? putting on a straight face for the cameras isnt going to change my mind about him. hes not a nice guy, his monotone voice makes him a horrible caster.
When it comes to entertainment value Kaelaris and Tod gets my vote for best caster duo. Just like chocolate pretzel’s, it sounds awful but actually it works so perfectly. It is a little lacking on the analytical side but Tod covers that well enough and the synergy/chemistry/whatever you want to call it between them just works so well. It made season 1 so entertaining. Kaelaris and Apollo just don’t seem to click as well as K+T. I still like the pair but sometimes they’re not on the same page, I guess time will alleviate that.
I’m of the same opinion of Idra and Khaldor, I like Khaldor and Idra’s casting abilities, but sometimes it just felt like they were stepping on each other’s feet. Hardly surprising considering it was the first time the two had ever cast together (to my knowledge) and (again to my knowledge) it was Idra’s first casting gig at a major overseas event so he was out of his comfort zone. Overall though I’d rate the duo positively, and there were some great moments in there too. I’d really like to see more of the pair.
On August 04 2013 22:20 theMagus wrote: idra + artosis would probably be the best pairing. they're good friends to begin with so chemistry would never be a problem. you'd also have 2 casters who have a lot of game knowledge of 2 races between them. artosis can provide the color casting as well. i'd like to see this combo happen
not so sure about that. artosis likes to shout over his partners voice and i would really hate him if he shouted nonsense while idra was explaining something. khaldor is calmer and more patient which suits idra well as a casting partner.
i didn't really see the chemistry between idra and khaldor and actually felt it was kind of awkward between them. artosis knows exactly how to handle idra. that's just my opinion though
on the other hand, khaldor and wolf are a good pairing.
On August 04 2013 22:34 Maxhster wrote: its sad to see that the casters get more attention than Taeja, who actually won the tournament
You want to talk about Taeja then maybe you should've been in the LR thread, or making a topic celebrating Taeja winning smile. While you're at it why don't you tweet Taeja + Show Spoiler +
Apollo and Artosis is not a good casting duo. They are both analytical casters and you really need a play by play guy to pair up with each of them (that's why Nathanias and Apollo were so good). With Apollo and Artosis, they ask "what do you think of this"/"what do you think of that", and after a while, it gets irritating.
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.
Sign? You mean "Sigh"?
Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech. I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports. There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.
So wait, you want to hear Avilo cast, but yet you complain about bias in casting? I think we all have a clear picture of what type of bias you would be totally fine with.
On August 04 2013 22:34 Maxhster wrote: its sad to see that the casters get more attention than Taeja, who actually won the tournament
You want to talk about Taeja then maybe you should've been in the LR thread, or making a topic celebrating Taeja winning smile. While you're at it why don't you tweet Taeja + Show Spoiler +
@liquidret
about unoriginal digressions?
way to go ad hominem... this thread is just wrong on so many levels. Just because IdrA is such a popular figure for being such a douche.
On August 04 2013 22:44 SpiffD wrote: Artosis and Apollo are clearly the best duo. They are both very knowledgeable and have great chemistry and flow in their casting.
That being said Khaldor and Idra were very good this weekend.
I agree with you. Their casting was outstanding. I also enjoyed Idra's casting quite a bit as I am really annoyed when casters don't point out the player's mistakes which is a mistake Idra sure didn't make I am don't really like Khaldor though so they are not among my favourites.
Khaldor & Idra is okay. I guess Idra is a person who only respcets those with enough knowledge or the upper body strength to punch his skull in, khal dor has both
On August 04 2013 22:34 Maxhster wrote: its sad to see that the casters get more attention than Taeja, who actually won the tournament
You want to talk about Taeja then maybe you should've been in the LR thread, or making a topic celebrating Taeja winning smile. While you're at it why don't you tweet Taeja + Show Spoiler +
@liquidret
about unoriginal digressions?
way to go ad hominem... this thread is just wrong on so many levels. Just because IdrA is such a popular figure for being such a douche.
You know what's really wrong on so many levels? Crime in multi-storey car parks. I find it funny how you mention "ad hominem" when it's clear that you really don't care that we're talking about casters over players, you just don't like the fact that one of those casters is Idra.
Yeah, I hated the guy too, as a player his attitude was appalling and immature, and he did deserve to get kicked off EG (imo) but ultimately he never hurt anyone (unless you are of an incredibly sensitive disposition) so why continue to hold it against him. Also he's not like that when he's casting, he's actually very professional, the only hint of "old-Idra" I got was when he was going on about how bad Efli is as a player. That behaviour isn't exclusive to Idra, just like the time Apollo called JohnnyReco "the biggest patch zerg of wings".
I'm really happy to see Idra happy! As a progamer you could see that he wasn't having a good time, but it looked like he really enjoyed casting, and he was good at doing it too!
Its strange how people put relevance on "fun factor". Can be nice here and there of course, but I don't want casters focusing on being funny. I'm worried that the kind of feedback in this thread could lead to it.
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.
Sign? You mean "Sigh"?
Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech. I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports. There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.
So wait, you want to hear Avilo cast, but yet you complain about bias in casting? I think we all have a clear picture of what type of bias you would be totally fine with.
Hah! You walked right into my trap. I figured that you would
I knew you would remark on avilo, but you were the one saying it was fine to put mech-loving casters together. I never said anything about avilo casting alone. In fact, my whole point coming into this discussion is that casters should be picked so that their bias is balanced out as much as possible.
Idras casting was pretty solid but his tendency to say something was unbeatable was kinda obnoxious, especially when it was then beaten. Perfect example was Lucifron V. Gosuuser on Newkirk. Lucifron got his turtle mech play well set up and around 30-35 minutes Idra commented about how unbeatable it was. And then... We watched Gosuuser beat it pretty easily.
On August 04 2013 23:19 Tiaraju9 wrote: Its strange how people put relevance on "fun factor". Can be nice here and there of course, but I don't want casters focusing on being funny. I'm worried that the kind of feedback in this thread could lead to it.
None. Most of the best casters, like artosis and tasteless don't read these threads or skim them. Artosis has said that threads are not a good place to find useful feed back.
IdrA is an incredible caster. Yesterday was the first time I heard him in his "new" form, where he has clearly practiced casting and worked on not being monotone. I haven't been keeping up with all the major tournaments but I really hope IdrA is getting picked for a lot of them.
Idra was ok, but I couldn't bare to hear Khaldors praises over players he clearly favoured. He doesn't distance himself from player he roots for and the entire cast suffers.
I think Apollo has matured into a brilliant caster. He's versatile, and can cast along pretty much anyone. That being said, Artosis and Idra are favorites much due to their persona and "aura"
I dub thee the casting egg. I like them because Khaldor actually asks Idra questions. This has always bothered me about play by play casters, I think maybe some don't want to appear like they don't understand the game so they hold back on asking even basic questions.
It sucks that arguably the best casting duo ever (snm and whiplash) won't be a thing anymore because of school. They were one of the best, if not the best, casting duo since the start of sc2.
They have perfect synergy, great play by plays, and snm is one of the best analytical casters to date (4th after idra, artosis, Apollo), they have the perfect casting voices, 95% of their calls are correct. I cant ask for a better duo than snm and whiplash.
The current duos are very good at casting, but just not as good as whiplash and snm. Those two together are what I consider near perfect when it comes to sc2 casting.
There is literally no point to a play by play caster. Any analytical caster can do that part too so why bother having one guy that can do two things and one guy that can only do one when you can have two guys who can do both? And Khaldor's play by play is like he has a mental template: "the [race] player is moving in and dropping in supply but the problem for the [team] player is that".
Wondering if I'm the only one who likes every single casting duo there is. There are two that I'm rather reluctant to pick, or rather, would not pick if there were an English alternative:
1. Tastosis has been around for so long, I sometimes pick another caster just because. Not saying they're bad or anything, but really it's getting stale.
2. The proleague casters can be a little...off sometimes. They improved over the course of proleague, and by the final rounds I was hardly cringing at all, but the bad taste of rounds 1-3 still surface sometimes.
There did a great job, no complaints. But the #1 casting duo is Tastetosis. They cast the best players, on the biggest stages, and they just have a chemistry that is on a different level than any other duo because they have done it together for so long. Apollo is pretty much great with anyone
On August 05 2013 00:24 xAdra wrote: Wondering if I'm the only one who likes every single casting duo there is. There are two that I'm rather reluctant to pick, or rather, would not pick if there were an English alternative:
1. Tastosis has been around for so long, I sometimes pick another caster just because. Not saying they're bad or anything, but really it's getting stale.
I can support these sentiment. Most, if not all, casting pairs have improved a lot and I won't exclude a tournament/league because of the casters (I do have favorites, but none of them make me cringe or turn volume off). Tastosis seems to have lost their edge, because their humor and jokes have not grown over the past few years!
I like Apollo/Day9 a lot. Day9/DJWheat isn't bad either. I only briefly saw Khaldor/IdrA, but it seemed pretty good as well. Artosis and Rotterdam are pretty good casters as well, at least individually speaking. I don't like Tastosis because I think Tasteless isn't a very good caster, as I'm pretty sure he views it more as a job at his point in life with side perks while his passion for the game seems to have died out.
On August 05 2013 00:46 ensign_lee wrote: Why is Day9+husky not an option on the poll?!?!?!
Because the OP wants his new favorite duo to do well, so he forgets half of the top casters out there, like Day9, Husky, Rotterdam and MrBitter. (And puts apollo with tb, can't remember them casting together for a year or so)
"Best casting duo so far" after seeing them only in a tournament? Waaaaay too early. IdrA is clearly good, he has great analytical skills and it's funny when he's a bit arrogant, but I would wait to say anything about him and Khaldor as a duo.
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.
Sign? You mean "Sigh"?
Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech. I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports. There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.
So wait, you want to hear Avilo cast, but yet you complain about bias in casting? I think we all have a clear picture of what type of bias you would be totally fine with.
Hah! You walked right into my trap. I figured that you would
I knew you would remark on avilo, but you were the one saying it was fine to put mech-loving casters together. I never said anything about avilo casting alone. In fact, my whole point coming into this discussion is that casters should be picked so that their bias is balanced out as much as possible.
You are too predictable.
one-on-one, that didn't actually make sense and he doesn't appear to have "fallen into your trap". It seems that you've gotten overexcited about trapping someone. I should report you for attempted entrapment!
You stated that you'd like to hear Artosis, GoOdy and Avilo casting together after saying they all like mech. Maybe that was meant to be a joke, but it didn't really come off that way. I think you meant to make the second bunch of comments the main focus of your post, but instead you seemed to be saying
As someone who likes mech, I'd love to see three mech-biased casters casting together!
and
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. [...] There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.
in the same post. So basically, you seemed to trip yourself up and Plansix was only questioning that.
In addition, you claimed IdrA is anti-terran, but I don't think that's really so true, or at least not particularly. Many people who are a bit (or more) biased in favour of their own race will sound a bit biased against the others. IdrA might, however, be REALLY BIASED against protoss (can't say I blame him ㅋㅋㅋ) and that could be something to keep track of.
Slight biases "against races" like Khaldor and IdrA might supposedly have against terran are really only from favouring zerg, unless Khaldor feels some particular hatred for terran that I've forgotten about. Either way, IdrA's stronger bias is definitely against protoss. Stronger biases like that might be more of a worry (though I thought he managed it well enough during the cast).
We used to have numerous protoss pairings in casting, didn't we? We still have Artosis + Tasteless, at least. I think the only real bias we feel is in their excitement, but casters can go a bit over the top with praise during games regardless of the caster and player races. People like to get upset when casters do that for players of their own race but it's quite common regardless of any bias.
Talking about biases...Ret and IdrA go back a long way. One might say his recommendations for tournaments to choose/keep on IdrA as a caster are....biased.
On August 05 2013 00:46 ensign_lee wrote: Why is Day9+husky not an option on the poll?!?!?!
Because the OP wants his new favorite duo to do well, so he forgets half of the top casters out there, like Day9, Husky, Rotterdam and MrBitter. (And puts apollo with tb, can't remember them casting together for a year or so)
as if i have some sort of hidden agenda rofl some ppl asked for a poll
now this parts gonna sound like i DO have an agenda. day9 husky rotterdam and mr bitter are not very good casters
On August 05 2013 00:46 ensign_lee wrote: Why is Day9+husky not an option on the poll?!?!?!
Because the OP wants his new favorite duo to do well, so he forgets half of the top casters out there, like Day9, Husky, Rotterdam and MrBitter. (And puts apollo with tb, can't remember them casting together for a year or so)
as if i have some sort of hidden agenda rofl some ppl asked for a poll
now this parts gonna sound like i DO have an agenda. day9 husky rotterdam and mr bitter are not very good casters
You're right; Kellymilkies and Moletrap are way better.
nah, definitely not the best casting duo out there. I think Tastosis is the best casting duo. True that they have a habit of making similar jokes throughout their casts but their synergy is unparalleled due to being friends for a long period of time. That's not to say that Idra/Khaldor doesn't work, they just need more time and Idra's bias showed several times in the cast but I wasn't bothered by it.
I like a lot of the current casters. Idra is fantastic. Khaldor is great too. Haven't caught them casting together yet though..sounds like it could be good. I think all the "main casters" are actually really good. I even really like Husky's "color" style, which is a nice contrast vs. someone like Apollo's more analytical style.
Come to think of it I guess the only "main caster" that I absolutely can't stand to hear during games would be TotalBiscuit, but that's manageable since he typically doesn't cast big/important stuff.
If I had to vote I'd probably say Tastosis, just because they're the true OG's
On August 05 2013 00:46 ensign_lee wrote: Why is Day9+husky not an option on the poll?!?!?!
Because the OP wants his new favorite duo to do well, so he forgets half of the top casters out there, like Day9, Husky, Rotterdam and MrBitter. (And puts apollo with tb, can't remember them casting together for a year or so)
as if i have some sort of hidden agenda rofl some ppl asked for a poll
now this parts gonna sound like i DO have an agenda. day9 husky rotterdam and mr bitter are not very good casters
1. That little face is there for a reason. 2. ... n/c
On August 05 2013 00:46 ensign_lee wrote: Why is Day9+husky not an option on the poll?!?!?!
Because the OP wants his new favorite duo to do well, so he forgets half of the top casters out there, like Day9, Husky, Rotterdam and MrBitter. (And puts apollo with tb, can't remember them casting together for a year or so)
as if i have some sort of hidden agenda rofl some ppl asked for a poll
now this parts gonna sound like i DO have an agenda. day9 husky rotterdam and mr bitter are not very good casters
You're right; Kellymilkies and Moletrap are way better.
now whats wrong with me liking those 2. they are the best!
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.
Sign? You mean "Sigh"?
Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech. I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports. There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.
So wait, you want to hear Avilo cast, but yet you complain about bias in casting? I think we all have a clear picture of what type of bias you would be totally fine with.
Hah! You walked right into my trap. I figured that you would
I knew you would remark on avilo, but you were the one saying it was fine to put mech-loving casters together. I never said anything about avilo casting alone. In fact, my whole point coming into this discussion is that casters should be picked so that their bias is balanced out as much as possible.
You are too predictable.
Seriously though, that post was so lame "haha I trap yoo"?
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.
Sign? You mean "Sigh"?
Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech. I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports. There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.
So wait, you want to hear Avilo cast, but yet you complain about bias in casting? I think we all have a clear picture of what type of bias you would be totally fine with.
Hah! You walked right into my trap. I figured that you would .
They were pretty good and I like IdrA casting a lot. The kid is smart. Tastosis, though, are just too good to be true: I'd have fun listening to them even if they were casting a cooking session.
On August 05 2013 01:39 ratbert wrote: hey great, it's been a while since the last "let's rate casters thread"
seriously though, poll needs more bitterdam (and others)
and have I missed something "best duo CURRENTLY" and then kellymilkies / moletrap. do they cast anything *currently* ? or do I smell a terrible poll?
yeh i forgot casters but it was just to fill space. the goal was to see if anyone else felt that idra and khaldor were just the best caster they have seen in a while. apparently a lot of ppl felt that way
On August 05 2013 01:39 ratbert wrote: hey great, it's been a while since the last "let's rate casters thread"
seriously though, poll needs more bitterdam (and others)
and have I missed something "best duo CURRENTLY" and then kellymilkies / moletrap. do they cast anything *currently* ? or do I smell a terrible poll?
yeh i forgot casters but it was just to fill space. the goal was to see if anyone else felt that idra and khaldor were just the best caster they have seen in a while. apparently a lot of ppl felt that way
Then a yes/no wouldve been better a better option, that poll is bad.
i miss doa & wolf personally, but idra is a great caster.
On August 05 2013 01:39 ratbert wrote: hey great, it's been a while since the last "let's rate casters thread"
seriously though, poll needs more bitterdam (and others)
and have I missed something "best duo CURRENTLY" and then kellymilkies / moletrap. do they cast anything *currently* ? or do I smell a terrible poll?
yeh i forgot casters but it was just to fill space. the goal was to see if anyone else felt that idra and khaldor were just the best caster they have seen in a while. apparently a lot of ppl felt that way
Then a yes/no wouldve been better a better option, that poll is bad.
i miss doa & wolf personally, but idra is a great caster.
eh i dont think its really bad at all. rotterdamn and mr bitter hardly cast and wouldnt be the top casters in any world so more fillers are just as bad as the bad fillers i added for jokes
Idra is such a little bitch about the game and so biased. Other than that I do like him, but he really needs to fuck off with the bias and being a bitch about things he finds 'stupid'.
I feel like Idra would work with literally anyone. Same as for example Grubby and Tod. So I don't think those 2 are the best casting duo out there. In fact, I think Khaldor was NOT working well with Idra a couple of times during the weekend. Ofc, I may be biased a lot, since I don't like Khaldor at all (not because of the casting, because of his opinions mostly).
That said, none of the casting duos in the poll would be in my Top5 - I like mostly MonteDoa, Bitterdam, Kaelaris and Tod, Nathanias+Apollo (but strangely enough, Kaelaris and Apollo don't seem to be working too well together imo) and that's about it. I don't watch Tastosis if I can get around it, since I don't really like their casting style together. Artosis and Apollo imo also didn't work together terribly well.
What I cannot stand at all are guys like Day9, Tastosis when they are casting together and some others - they tend to hype up every single bullshit thing happening like it is the end of the world and every single match is 'the best match I've ever seen'. I think Artosis works much better with someone like Wolf for example.
But I tend to notice, I don't really look for the same thing in casters, like the majority of people watching - I am much more interested in backstories of players, the 'when I played against him' kind of stuff and funny stories about the players more so then any kind of actual analytic casting (I watch too much Starcraft, so I mostly know what is going on regardless, since it tends to be pretty repetitive).
That all said, I never get the hate towards ANY caster, since I think everyone I watched had something good to present and if not, I just don't listen to them and focus on the game itself. I also don't have any problems in listening to anyone, I just prefer some over others, but there is really no one that would force me to not watch a game I am interested in.
I had to make an account just to post my 2 cents on this thread.
Just like players to casters, there will never be a single, or in this case, duo, 'best' casters thus far or ever. It all comes down to a matter of preference and hundreds of things a viewer/listener looks in a caster. Some are funny, insightful and quick, to those that can hype very well and simply make you smile and make you raise your hands in the air.
Personally after watching around 10 or so games of Khaldra I can defiantly say that I enjoyed them and would watch them again as a duo, separately with another caster or by themselves. I also think IdrA has the potential to really grow and rise to the levels of Artosis and Day[9] in terms of being a powerhouse and household name in the casting/analytic sides of SC2.
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.
Sign? You mean "Sigh"?
Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech. I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports. There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.
So wait, you want to hear Avilo cast, but yet you complain about bias in casting? I think we all have a clear picture of what type of bias you would be totally fine with.
Hah! You walked right into my trap. I figured that you would
I knew you would remark on avilo, but you were the one saying it was fine to put mech-loving casters together. I never said anything about avilo casting alone. In fact, my whole point coming into this discussion is that casters should be picked so that their bias is balanced out as much as possible.
You are too predictable.
one-on-one, that didn't actually make sense and he doesn't appear to have "fallen into your trap". It seems that you've gotten overexcited about trapping someone. I should report you for attempted entrapment!
You stated that you'd like to hear Artosis, GoOdy and Avilo casting together after saying they all like mech. Maybe that was meant to be a joke, but it didn't really come off that way. I think you meant to make the second bunch of comments the main focus of your post, but instead you seemed to be saying
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. [...] There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.
in the same post. So basically, you seemed to trip yourself up and Plansix was only questioning that.
In addition, you claimed IdrA is anti-terran, but I don't think that's really so true, or at least not particularly. Many people who are a bit (or more) biased in favour of their own race will sound a bit biased against the others. IdrA might, however, be REALLY BIASED against protoss (can't say I blame him ㅋㅋㅋ) and that could be something to keep track of.
Slight biases "against races" like Khaldor and IdrA might supposedly have against terran are really only from favouring zerg, unless Khaldor feels some particular hatred for terran that I've forgotten about. Either way, IdrA's stronger bias is definitely against protoss. Stronger biases like that might be more of a worry (though I thought he managed it well enough during the cast).
We used to have numerous protoss pairings in casting, didn't we? We still have Artosis + Tasteless, at least. I think the only real bias we feel is in their excitement, but casters can go a bit over the top with praise during games regardless of the caster and player races. People like to get upset when casters do that for players of their own race but it's quite common regardless of any bias.
Talking about biases...Ret and IdrA go back a long way. One might say his recommendations for tournaments to choose/keep on IdrA as a caster are....biased.
Ok, you are right that it wasn't a real trap attempt, so you don't need to report me lol. But right when I hit the "Post" button I started to predict how plansix would respond, and as it turned out my prediction was accurate enough to cause me to lol.
You miss the point completely when you try to explain why my post doesn't "make sense". Both of you confuse liking mech with the concept of bias. Then he said "as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem". I don't agree with that, and neither does it seem that plansix really does given the way he responded later.
I wasn't completely serious with the Artosis, Avilo , Goody cast, it was just an example
I never said that it would be a good cast, just that it would be "funny and amusing" indeed. There was no need to put avilo on the list as Artosis and Goody would have been a good enough suggestion, but I mentioned avilo because I sensed that it might cause some kind of short circuiting in Plansix's logic.
So the ones who makes no sense here are you and Mr. Plansix.
Not sure about best duo ever lol. But I think idra is really a fantastic caster, and so is khaldor. Definitely had some great synergy going on and what have you
Why isn't artosis apollo a poll option? Artosis is still the best analytical caster in the game and apollo can do play-by-play as well as high-level analysis. Also worth mentioning is incontrol, I'd love to see him paired with an idra or artosis, or even idra with artosis.
Idra and Khaldor is actually really good ! I liked it a lot more than wolf + khaldor, as wolf tone of voice give off a bad vibe, like he's constantly trying to belittle the player that make a mistake.
as said in the tournament thread, i think they did a great job, are they better than xyz? i dont care, they were good and my ears didnt bleed. with more gigs to cast i think idra will improve his casting further and u ll probably be able to put him up with any caster, would like to see him with apollo cuz he is my favourite of all the casters out there.
Khaldor and Idra are def one of my favorite casting duos. Apollo and Kaelaris are also currently my number one favorite! haha. Honestly I love listening to Tastosis but I wouldn't say they are the best.
My only issue with Idra as a caster is he is such a negative caster. He's very rarely talking about the good points about the game, but always the negative aspects of play. I wish he could bring more of the high points, not just the negatives.
Khaldor and Idra pair was awesome !! I feel like Khaldor is the kind of guy that can be paired with anyone, even though it might not be super good but he can cooporate with anyone pretty well.
But I still have to say Tastosis is the best just cause it's a synergy that has been built up for years of casting together (they're the duo that has stayed the longest as far as my knowledge). But for me though, the rank of duos that I like : 1. Tastosis 2. Artosis + Apollo 3. Idra + Khaldor.....damn, or should it be TB + Incontrol ??
On August 05 2013 03:52 mikumegurine wrote: not many people mentioning Chobra hmmm
guess not many people have seen him cast
cause hes quite good, AND he does ENG/KOR
Chobra + nearly anyone would be one of the better duos
Words of truth. Chobra speaks fluent english and korean while being funny, knowledgeable and cool in the same time. I think a lot of people haven't watched OnGameNet's broadcasts. Like I said in the stream chat, I'd like to see Chobra cast with Idra and ToD
I love Idra casting and imo hes the bester caster ive listened to so far, however I cant stand khaldors german accent (maye thats because im german?) and i just cant enjoy german casters casting in english in general. so for me its tastosis!
This was Idras first "big" tournament casting and it was awsome! With Khaldor...hmm...but please, guys, hire Idra again! Doesnt matter with whom! :-D I mean, he, he ... was f unny and stuff! And the knew things! wow! :-D
I think my favorite casting duo could be Khaldor-Artosis if they had alot of experience casing together, unless you could duplicate Moletrap and make a double Moletrap casting duo!
im not sure what the fuss is about ToD, cool guy but i don't like his casting. both khaldor and tod are non-native speakers but i find khaldor's accent a lot easier to listen to than tod's. not his fault, just how i feel.
I found the combination of Idra for color and Khaldor for play-by-play surpisingly good. Idra gave a lot of valuable input and from time to time some personal opinion, really enriching the spectating experience, while Khaldor did the play-by-play stuff.
But I am zerg biased and like to watch a game commented through a zerg player's point of view, that probably also helped.
On August 05 2013 04:06 NoMercy1993 wrote: I love Idra casting and imo hes the bester caster ive listened to so far, however I cant stand khaldors german accent (maye thats because im german?) and i just cant enjoy german casters casting in english in general. so for me its tastosis!
Khaldor has very little accent for my German ears.
On August 05 2013 03:51 YPJake wrote: My only issue with Idra as a caster is he is such a negative caster. He's very rarely talking about the good points about the game, but always the negative aspects of play. I wish he could bring more of the high points, not just the negatives.
Glad someone brought this up. I am watching Sc2 to get excited, I don't really need casters to tell me about the errors they make, because it makes games feel less "epic" (in general).
Hey man, maybe it's just me being sentimental because moletrap and nuke were the only ones casting BW when all the cool kids were switching to SC2, but moletrap was bomb.
I'd hate to classify anyone as the best because there's a lot of good duos out there but I would say that they were an excellent pair. I briefly tuned into the tournament on a whim and ended up sitting there watching on the back of how good their casting was.
On August 05 2013 21:57 murphs wrote: Idra is a breath of fresh air. If a player does something stupid he will call it as it is.
I do like that. It is nice that he calls mistakes what they are, but at least explains where the mistake comes from. Artotsis does that really well too, where he tells people why the mistake was made and what they thought they saw.
For me all casters are good. The only one i don't like is "Crota" but he's not really a top tier caster like all mentionned there. Not that he is bad. Just his flat voice doesn't get tot me.
But everyone likes his pair (oh oh oh). A lot of people despise TB and love Day[9]. After watching all the daily i really don't appreciate him as much now. He has to much language thingy (oh oh, oh oh) and stuff. I like TB's jokes and i'm still a fan of "I suck at Starcraft II" which was funny as hell.
Kaelaris is really funny when paired with ToD. I don't like him as much with Appollo but they are doing fine. They both have a nice voice.
I would love to see Kaelaris with InControl. Because maximum troll potential
They're both really good good, but a bit too calm and collected for my taste. Khaldor may be play-by-play, but he's still a fairly analytical one. I'd personally prefer some more excitement.
On August 09 2013 18:49 faderedguy wrote: Does anybody actually like axeltoss' casting?
Oh i forgot him. He is the reason i don't watch WCS NA anymore i'm really not a fan. When he is casting i don't know what he is doing, because Axlav make the analysis AND the "screaming play by play".
What about Whiplash and Supernovamaniac ??? Oh ... wait ...
On a serious note though, Khaldor and Idra are a really great combo. I already liked Khaldor a lot but I must say their duo highlighted both their individual qualities as casters. And it's really nice to see Idra calm. I was already pretty sure from the few casts I saw from him before that he could be a great caster but doing it through the entire event here, he proved to have great analysis, to know when to question decisions and results, and even ... to be funny (which isn't the first quality I would have given him prior to this event).
Overall great performance, and I hope we'll see more of Idra casting coz that's definitely great insight for the viewers.
Khaldor is my favourite caster by far! I like Idra but it's just painfull to hear him cast, not because of the quality (it's good commentary) but for the same reason I can't listen to Axslav. They're both trying to cast with a speech defect -.-
Yeah I really liked Khaldor and IdrA. IdrA was such a good analytical caster, all he needs is perhaps to show a bit more emotion but Khaldor made up for that. Was so sick though!
On August 09 2013 18:49 faderedguy wrote: Does anybody actually like axeltoss' casting?
Why do you find it necessary to bash on someone in a thread that is not about him? You hope that he'll read it and have his feelings hurt? I really don't understand this kind of behaviour. The OP shares his opinion on who he thinks is the best casting duo and asks if we agree or disagree (although he also makes the "mistake" of senseless bashing). Answer/ discuss that. Derailing a thread is one thing but to also do it just to be negative about someone..
i'm surprised by the votes for Apollo. Must be only me who notices he talks way too much and it actually hurts my head to follow the words in his sentences. Seriously, just listen to what he says it makes no sense half the time!
IMO Kaelaris + anyone but Apollo should be up there, he has a good speaking voice and can actually make sense using the English language.
Hasu his strategic thinking of the game translates very well to commentating. Haven't really heard this in any other player doing commentary and definitely not in any commentator.
On August 05 2013 20:17 Zealously wrote: 2GD & InControl
Artosis & InControl. O.O
Seriously.
get ready to get your mind blown
Incontrol & tasteless
yeah
Hell yeah! Actually, it might even work to have all 3 of them cast together. But to tournaments (with money): At least have these three alternate between Tastosis, Controlless and In Artosis.
On August 09 2013 18:49 faderedguy wrote: Does anybody actually like axeltoss' casting?
Why do you find it necessary to bash on someone in a thread that is not about him? You hope that he'll read it and have his feelings hurt? I really don't understand this kind of behaviour. The OP shares his opinion on who he thinks is the best casting duo and asks if we agree or disagree (although he also makes the "mistake" of senseless bashing). Answer/ discuss that. Derailing a thread is one thing but to also do it just to be negative about someone..
He was asking a question. Not bashing someone... Maybe he likes axeltoss and is surprised that no one seems to like him...
On August 09 2013 18:49 faderedguy wrote: Does anybody actually like axeltoss' casting?
Why do you find it necessary to bash on someone in a thread that is not about him? You hope that he'll read it and have his feelings hurt? I really don't understand this kind of behaviour. The OP shares his opinion on who he thinks is the best casting duo and asks if we agree or disagree (although he also makes the "mistake" of senseless bashing). Answer/ discuss that. Derailing a thread is one thing but to also do it just to be negative about someone..
What makes you think I'm bashing lol How can u make such accusation from a simple statement? I was simply asking people's opinion on him
On August 09 2013 18:49 faderedguy wrote: Does anybody actually like axeltoss' casting?
I actually quite enjoy axeltoss' casting. I find he is very good at "amping up" stages of the game that would otherwise be considered boring. I thought him and Axslav were a really good duo but maybe thats just me...
On August 09 2013 18:49 faderedguy wrote: Does anybody actually like axeltoss' casting?
I actually quite enjoy axeltoss' casting. I find he is very good at "amping up" stages of the game that would otherwise be considered boring. I thought him and Axslav were a really good duo but maybe thats just me...
Really ? It's quite funny as everyone has their thing and those aren't. For exemple i just CAN'T STAND them. But you like them. I find this quite funny because you see that even in a "speech team" people have really different taste
I wonder what makes people like a "duo voice" or not.
I find axeltoss to be quite decent at times However, he is not really as knowledgeable and sound very noobish when casting together with axslav sometimes But again he's decent at hyping up things that are happening
On August 05 2013 20:17 Zealously wrote: 2GD & InControl
Artosis & InControl. O.O
Seriously.
get ready to get your mind blown
Incontrol & tasteless
yeah
Hell yeah! Actually, it might even work to have all 3 of them cast together. But to tournaments (with money): At least have these three alternate between Tastosis, Controlless and In Artosis.
Shouldn't the last one be "Artotrol" ....
Damm I want it to happen just to here that nickname!
I was not that impressed by that duo. Idra definitivly good at analysis but just show no real energy or passion, even sometimes seems to read smthg. This was interesting but dull. He needs to train his voice to have one more, enthousiastic.
On August 09 2013 18:49 faderedguy wrote: Does anybody actually like axeltoss' casting?
Why do you find it necessary to bash on someone in a thread that is not about him? You hope that he'll read it and have his feelings hurt? I really don't understand this kind of behaviour. The OP shares his opinion on who he thinks is the best casting duo and asks if we agree or disagree (although he also makes the "mistake" of senseless bashing). Answer/ discuss that. Derailing a thread is one thing but to also do it just to be negative about someone..
What makes you think I'm bashing lol How can u make such accusation from a simple statement? I was simply asking people's opinion on him
It's well known that Axeltoss has received a high amount of caster bashing for his casting of the first WCS America. The "actually" in your post indicates that you are aware of that. Am I right? So what purpose can your question really have? Your post hides its insulting or trolling nature just as well as the OP's addition of the Kellymilkies and Moletrap casting duo lol
On August 09 2013 18:49 faderedguy wrote: Does anybody actually like axeltoss' casting?
Why do you find it necessary to bash on someone in a thread that is not about him? You hope that he'll read it and have his feelings hurt? I really don't understand this kind of behaviour. The OP shares his opinion on who he thinks is the best casting duo and asks if we agree or disagree (although he also makes the "mistake" of senseless bashing). Answer/ discuss that. Derailing a thread is one thing but to also do it just to be negative about someone..
What makes you think I'm bashing lol How can u make such accusation from a simple statement? I was simply asking people's opinion on him
It's well known that Axeltoss has received a high amount of caster bashing for his casting of the first WCS America. The "actually" in your post indicates that you are aware of that. Am I right? So what purpose can your question really have? Your post hides its insulting or trolling nature just as well as the OP's addition of the Kellymilkies and Moletrap casting duo lol
On August 09 2013 18:49 faderedguy wrote: Does anybody actually like axeltoss' casting?
Why do you find it necessary to bash on someone in a thread that is not about him? You hope that he'll read it and have his feelings hurt? I really don't understand this kind of behaviour. The OP shares his opinion on who he thinks is the best casting duo and asks if we agree or disagree (although he also makes the "mistake" of senseless bashing). Answer/ discuss that. Derailing a thread is one thing but to also do it just to be negative about someone..
What makes you think I'm bashing lol How can u make such accusation from a simple statement? I was simply asking people's opinion on him
It's well known that Axeltoss has received a high amount of caster bashing for his casting of the first WCS America. The "actually" in your post indicates that you are aware of that. Am I right? So what purpose can your question really have? Your post hides its insulting or trolling nature just as well as the OP's addition of the Kellymilkies and Moletrap casting duo lol
You think too high of yourself, man. No offense, just because you think of something doesn't mean it's true. I actually don't know he's often bashed. I just know that he isn't in the same calibre of tastosis, daywheat, husky9 etc.
On August 09 2013 18:49 faderedguy wrote: Does anybody actually like axeltoss' casting?
Why do you find it necessary to bash on someone in a thread that is not about him? You hope that he'll read it and have his feelings hurt? I really don't understand this kind of behaviour. The OP shares his opinion on who he thinks is the best casting duo and asks if we agree or disagree (although he also makes the "mistake" of senseless bashing). Answer/ discuss that. Derailing a thread is one thing but to also do it just to be negative about someone..
What makes you think I'm bashing lol How can u make such accusation from a simple statement? I was simply asking people's opinion on him
It's well known that Axeltoss has received a high amount of caster bashing for his casting of the first WCS America. The "actually" in your post indicates that you are aware of that. Am I right? So what purpose can your question really have? Your post hides its insulting or trolling nature just as well as the OP's addition of the Kellymilkies and Moletrap casting duo lol
You think too high of yourself, man. No offense, just because you think of something doesn't mean it's true. I actually don't know he's often bashed. I just know that he isn't in the same calibre of tastosis, daywheat, husky9 etc.
And some random dude just came here without contributing to the thread whatsoever lol I already made it clear I was asking for people's opinion on him. it would be best if you can make quality posts next time, man.
On August 10 2013 09:19 faderedguy wrote: And some random dude just came here without contributing to the thread whatsoever lol I already made it clear I was asking for people's opinion on him. it would be best if you can make quality posts next time, man.
Your comment was disguised as a question, but by 'asking' "does anybody actually like _____?" you are basically saying that it would be ridiculous if anyone did, it's practically the same as saying "Does anyone know someone who is as bad as ______?" Anyone who answered affirmatively would clearly hold an opinion you find to be dumb.
Asking for people's opinion on his casting would look something like "How does everyone feel about axeltoss's casting?"
If you didn't mean it that way that's understandable! But that's how the sentence you used is read by North American English speakers hahaa considering you're from Indonesia (and perhaps you're not a native English speaker) it makes a lot of sense that you and others got confused, no need to bash each other hehe :D
ON TOPIC: I liked Idra's commentating, I hope to see him do more casting in the future, I wonder how he'd pair up with other play by play casters as well, I am not always a huge fan of Khaldor's judgments (though he still have great game knowledge)
On August 10 2013 09:19 faderedguy wrote: And some random dude just came here without contributing to the thread whatsoever lol I already made it clear I was asking for people's opinion on him. it would be best if you can make quality posts next time, man.
Your comment was disguised as a question, but by 'asking' "does anybody actually like _____?" you are basically saying that it would be ridiculous if anyone did, it's practically the same as saying "Does anyone know someone who is as bad as ______?" Anyone who answered affirmatively would clearly hold an opinion you find to be dumb.
Asking for people's opinion on his casting would look something like "How does everyone feel about axeltoss's casting?"
If you didn't mean it that way that's understandable! But that's how the sentence you used is read by North American English speakers hahaa considering you're from Indonesia (and perhaps you're not a native English speaker) it makes a lot of sense that you and others got confused, no need to bash each other hehe :D
ON TOPIC: I liked Idra's commentating, I hope to see him do more casting in the future, I wonder how he'd pair up with other play by play casters as well, I am not always a huge fan of Khaldor's judgments (though he still have great game knowledge)
Thank you for clarifying mate. I appreciate it :D I'm not as familiar as others are when it comes to English
EPT
) is if they can function together on a daily basis. idra's casting adds a huge portion of dry humor and ... lets call it "soberness" to the casting. for high-profile games or on an occassional basis, i really like that. but Im not sure if i would enjoy such a casting style when Im heavily exposed to it. ![[image loading]](https://sphotos-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/968885_639498289393613_96920902_n.jpg)
+ Idra = Awesomeness
.Would love to watch Idra,Artosis duo! :D
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