On August 04 2013 21:06 berndniph wrote: what i don't like on idra's casting is the lack of exitement.
tastosis is the way to go in terms of entertainment. khaldor / wolf is very close, if not better.
I think its a big difference if you're casting the whole day. I don't remember them making things that exciting, but you have to consider that usually, tournaments which last that long have a lot of different casters available. This time it was khaldor and idra all the time, so they had to be very exhausted at some point I think.
But in general, I also really enjoyed the cast and the tournament.
A pretty biased / lacking selection of caster duos in this thread, but I voted for Idra & Khaldor anyway because their performance was clearly better than any other option. I for one can't see anything worth liking in the Tastosis / Apollo combinations. Anyway, Chobra is one of the best casters out there no doubt and ToD's insight and analysis is on the same level as IdrA's or higher (depending on race) but I suppose Americans don't like his accent.
Well it's a very personal preference anyway. I prefer tastosis or Apollo + TB, but their cast was great too. I also like Mr bitter and Rotterdam, and Kaelaris + ToD was really enjoyable. Not to mention day9 whoever he is paired with. To me the great thing about having so many casting teams is that each has its pro and cons, each has its specific humor and jokes and behavior toward each other. The casting of the games themselves is less important to me than the atmosphere of the cast and how they fill downtime, how they keep people entertained at all times. I mean, of course analytical casting is important, but I tend to enjoy more when there isn't 10mn of awkward silence between games, and instead funny dialogues and jokes. But then again it is highly subjective, and that's why it always has amazed me how people can bash on casters based on personal preferences. Great job from them anyway, looking forward to more!
I like how honest Idra is while casting. He doesn't overhype matches, and if he says the forcefields were bad, they really were. My only complain is Khaldor's voice when he gets excited.
On August 04 2013 20:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think the best duo I've heard in recent times is Kaelaris/ToD. They were amazing together during WCS EU.
Yes I totally agree with that. Best duo so far, for me. For Idra/ Khaldor I really enjoyed both of them, great insights by Idra and Khaldor was able to communicate well with Idra, to show a bit of his personallity and of course his play by play is pretty good.
I do not really understand what some of the people's problem is with Semmler, I especially liked his interviews, relaxed but yet really interesting, especially with the Koreans. Maybe he can work a bit on his stage "presentation", it seemed a bit too casual for my liking. But other than that, good stuff
wow Kaelaris/Tod how can i forget them .. they were the reasons why i would be so willing to stay up late to watch wcs eu last season ..
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Everyone has bias whether it's for a race, their favorite players or whatever else it may be.
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.
Sign? You mean "Sigh"?
Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech. I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports. There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.
There are too many A-league casters not listed here for me to take the poll seriously. (Grubby, Day9, djWheat, Incontrol, Rotterdam, Bitter, you get the picture.)
I did feel they have synergy ~ a great improvement over casters who take turns talking, so in that I agree with the OP
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.
Sign? You mean "Sigh"?
Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech. I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports. There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.
Whats the purpose of those first two sentences? It was pretty clear what he meant.
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Lol. Your completely missed my point. The point is that _both_ casters share the same anti-terran and pro-zerg bias. This is why Khaldor is not a good co-caster to idrA.
Sign, this again. You know Artosis loves mech? Does that mean we can't pair him with another mech loving casters? At the end of the day, as long as they are funny and amusing, their bias is a minor problem.
Sign? You mean "Sigh"?
Loving mech is not that same as having a mech bias. And besides, SC2 could use a bit more mech. I would love to see Artosis cast together with Avilo and Goody. Great idea you gave me!
Commentating a game requires you to be as unbiased as possible. This is an accepted fact in all major sports. There is room for some bias, but never for having two commentators with the same bias.
Whats the purpose of those first two sentences? It was pretty clear what he meant.
I think IdrA has potential as a caster, but I am not sure that Khaldor is the best match for him. I remember really enjoying some casts of IdrA+IncontroL. Incontrol obviously knows IdrA quite well and so he was able to "play him" right, poke him in the right ways and in general create a fun atmoshpere centered around IdrA's infinite dryness of humour. But Khaldor doesn't seem to be able to do that, instead we are getting a quite standard "good casts" - while there is potential for more fun. Also, I feel the contrasr between IdrA's level and constant voice and Khaldor's overacting is too much. Khaldor+Wolf just work better together and I remember seeing some rare casts of Khlador and Artosis and it was awesome, but here I didn't feel the right synergy.
I still give the edge to Tastosis. Artosis' game knowledge is unparalleled and he and Tasteless just have so much more experience together.
Having said that, I GREATLY enjoyed listening to these two over the weekend, and I am excited to hear more from them in the future. They did a fantastic job and can only get better with time.
On August 04 2013 19:50 Syn Harvest wrote: I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
u ever watch the 2GD show? he ruins that entire show they make fun of him constantly. for good reason but ye semmler ruins things
Did you just create a thread so you could praise and bash whoever you want? That's pretty silly...
eh its harsh critique but i "dislike him" the rest of the tourny was great
It's not " harsh critique ", it's just bashing.
k he did a really really bad job and shouldnt be hired again. no bush beating. dont be enablers. if someone is bad make it known
It's his right to have a different opinion. This has nothing to do with being an enabler.
On the other hand, it isn't your right to come on a community site and bash people. Just keep it to yourself. It's toxic.
This person is right, which is why I was skeptical about this thread at first. And pretty much, seeing how the OP responds confirms my suspicion. This thread is nothing more but a place where he can express his personal opinions without bring anything significant to the discussion.
Tbh it was obvious from the thread title alone since it wasn't a question to lure discussion but a statement or fact as the OP seems to think that his opinion on things are like we can see from the thread itself.
EPT
