On July 29 2013 06:32 Hider wrote:
I don't neither Thorin nor Artosis really understands the issue with the Sc2 economy. The problem is that with the current economy of Sc2, the army value/active bases ratio is too high which makes it impossible to make defensive oriented units such as tanks/swarm hosts too good as turtling is too easy with them.

Whether you have 50-70 workers is in it self irrelevant. What matters is how thinly your spread out and a weaker economy will force players to spread them selves out over more bases.

The thing I'm concerned about is the lack of a natural counter to turtling kind of play at a high, strategic/economic level when factions have been abstracted away. It's at that level where the core issue with the deathball style is, and it's there where it should be fixed. Faction/unit level counters will ultimately prove either futile or unnatural and awkward.

BlueLanterna

291 Posts

July 29 2013 00:26 GMT

#26

I have to admit Thorin's questions take so long they've always bothered me T_T

KanoCoke

Japan863 Posts

July 29 2013 01:18 GMT

#27

Screw your complaints, this was a fucking good interview that actually delves deeper into the mind of Artosis than what we ever got back then.

Props to Thorin for the great questions and follow-ups, and Artosis for having these awesome answers.

Penguinator

United States837 Posts

July 29 2013 01:21 GMT

#28

Wow, that was actually the most enjoyable interview I've ever watched. No one ever asks these type of deep, intellectual questions.

Canucklehead

Canada5074 Posts

July 29 2013 02:34 GMT

#29

On July 29 2013 08:36 SkaPunk wrote:

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Yeah I agree, I really liked the answers he got out of artosis, but he did come off to me as a bit pretentious here and there.

Heh listen to any thorin interview or his infamous slasher rant on that show they were on together. He's as pretentious and arrogant about the quality of his own work as they come.

KhaliWear

Canada159 Posts

July 29 2013 02:50 GMT

#30

meh

scCassius

United States254 Posts

July 29 2013 02:51 GMT

#31

This was awesome.

JacobShock

Denmark2485 Posts

July 29 2013 02:58 GMT

#32

Just wondering, when was this interview done?

simmeh

Canada2511 Posts

July 29 2013 03:11 GMT

#33

On July 29 2013 11:58 JacobShock wrote:
Just wondering, when was this interview done?

i think around mlg anaheim

i think at one point in interview, artosis mentioned polt just winning a tournament

Mahanaim

Korea (South)1002 Posts

July 29 2013 03:17 GMT

#34

Cool.

Hok

Canada42 Posts

July 29 2013 03:31 GMT

#35

Artosis mentions a guy named "UUV""? anyone have reference pages for this guy? I don't know how to spell his name and I'm rather new.

BlueLanterna

291 Posts

July 29 2013 03:36 GMT

#36

On July 29 2013 12:31 Hok wrote:
Artosis mentions a guy named "UUV""? anyone have reference pages for this guy? I don't know how to spell his name and I'm rather new.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/5_iloveoov

NguN

Australia1322 Posts

July 29 2013 03:38 GMT

#37

On July 29 2013 12:31 Hok wrote:
Artosis mentions a guy named "UUV""? anyone have reference pages for this guy? I don't know how to spell his name and I'm rather new.

Probably IloveOov.

Oov was largely credited for the gameplay shift from micro-based builds to a largely macro-oriented play with his greedy builds, and mass production facilities that is so common today. Before then it was common for a lot of 1 base play to occur.

He also innovated a whole lot of Terran builds as well as gameplay. With his guidance, Fantasy became a top-tier Terran in BW.

Ecstatic

United States160 Posts

July 29 2013 03:38 GMT

#38

Interesting that Artosis doesn't mention Innovation at all O.O