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Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 09:50:09
July 26 2013 09:43 GMT
#41
On July 26 2013 09:50 monkybone wrote:
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On July 26 2013 04:40 Grovbolle wrote:

Now before we get into this, remember that a difference of around 250 or less means that there is no statistically significant difference between two players


Why is this exactly, and does 250 apply equally to all players?

Isn't this really a question of the statistical deviation of a players skill rating, with a lower deviation for consistent players?

In sc2 the skill of players can change very rapidly, and vary a lot. I don't know how well this system accounts for that, but I do believe the statistical deviation for each player is an essential statistic in addition to their ranking.

It doesn't apply equally to all players, it's a rule of thumb based on the mean deviation observed across the player pool. Even though the deviations change a bit, it doesn't impact this number very much, so for all practical purposes you can consider it to be constant.

On July 26 2013 10:14 rift wrote:
Do Koreans still start at 1200 and offline is worth 1.5 times online?
I also noticed Mvp's spike early 2011 is lower and is thereby no longer in the all-time top 5--was this from an individual change in his results or an overall change?
Thirdly I saw that foreigners jumped up a bit in the HoF -- changes there?

  1. Yes, you can see the parameters in the github repository (rating numbers are scaled by 1000 and shifted by 1, so 1000 displayed on the site is 0 in the code).
  2. We lowered initial uncertainty a bit. (Same file, you can read the history. Note that this might include changes that were never pushed to the server.)
  3. Could also be related to #2. It's the only thing I can think of.
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Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
July 26 2013 09:56 GMT
#42
On July 26 2013 08:42 Die4Ever wrote:
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On July 26 2013 04:40 Grovbolle wrote:
One of my favorite new things is the "hover over tooltip", meaning that in the ranking page, you can hover over a red/green arrow and see how many places a player has moved since last ranking, or how many points have been gained, both in general, vP, vT and vZ.

I was the one who tweeted this idea to you guys!

Cool, someone suggested it in an earlier write-up before you though ;-) But your tweet made us make it a priority.
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Jintoss
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Hong Kong117 Posts
July 27 2013 11:25 GMT
#43
This is the beginning of the SC2 betting scene right here. Probably the most reliable ratings and statistics to be found anywhere.
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Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
July 27 2013 11:32 GMT
#44
On July 27 2013 20:25 Jintoss wrote:
This is the beginning of the SC2 betting scene right here. Probably the most reliable ratings and statistics to be found anywhere.

If you want in on the betting on SC2 scene, I recommend www.esportsedge.com which is managed by Darkforce, really good analysis and he shares most of his bets.
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