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On July 23 2013 07:23 sns3rsam wrote:
Several other people said it in this thread but I want to reiterate it a bit. BlizzCon takes place in early November and it is coming up quick. There really isn't a whole lot of time left for Blizzard. They need a Season 2 regional finals and then the Season 2 finals. After that, they need to start up season 3 and its respective regional finals and the finals. After that, they need to do the BlizzCon Finals. Not to mention other SC2 events like MLG Columbus and ASUS ROG Summer 2013. It really doesn't look like there is a whole lot of time left for Blizzard and the time they scheduled for Season 2 regional finals just happened to coincide with TI3. I watch both Dota2 and SC2 and to be honest I'm not happy with this either. But I can see why Blizzard did it. I am pretty sure that they didn't do this on purpose. As if they can think the regional finals (and they aren't even the seasonal finals) that happen 3 times a year can compete with TI3 that happens once a year lol.
I think you are right.people in this thread easily forget that sc2 is the esport with the highest number of tournaments out of any esports.Lol only has lcs.Dota may have some more tournaments but due to the high ammount of sc2 tournies it is litterally impossible not to collide with other big esport names.Sooner or later people will just have to get used to it.Twitch lagging is the only major issue.
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On July 23 2013 07:31 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 07:28 Bagration wrote:
Blizzard, your stupidity is showing. So not only do you want to have the regions cannibalize viewership, but you also want to challenge TI3? Lol And how much longer can they realistically delay it? The finals are in august and after that theres still an entire 3rd season to run before blizzcon in november. You also have to add in that a delay might have meant more than 1 week because the facility they want may not be available the next week.
Yes this is what I'm trying to say
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Such bad scheduling, makes me sad.
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Why, Blizzard???
There's no way I can stay up to watch the whole weekend. That means Ill be missing some of the action I would never normally have missed.
Also, although I personally won't watch it... This is scheduled at the same time as the biggest tournament there will be this year (outside of league finals, maybe).
I don't think there could be a decent explanation for this...
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On July 23 2013 07:31 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 07:28 Bagration wrote:
Blizzard, your stupidity is showing. So not only do you want to have the regions cannibalize viewership, but you also want to challenge TI3? Lol And how much longer can they realistically delay it? The finals are in august and after that theres still an entire 3rd season to run before blizzcon in november. You also have to add in that a delay might have meant more than 1 week because the facility they want may not be available the next week.
Well if Blizzard were on top of things this wouldn't be an issue now would it...
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On July 23 2013 07:08 theking1 wrote:incontrols reddit post might add some context: Show nested quote +All 3 finals on 1 weekend is bad enough (audience will have fatigue at the end) but you are also polarizing your viewership. People will absolutely choose one or the other whereas if they had 2 different weekends to watch they'd go with both TIL3/WCS finals. Even if in some odd world blizzard said "We can win vs that 2+ million dollar super bowl event for a mega popular game with our seasonal regional finals" they will ONLY hurt themselves EVEN IF they "hurt" TIL3 more (I know they won't). It's bad competitively, it's bad selfishly, it's bad for the scene(s)...
I know blizz folk follow me/read my tweets/posts and what not but I cannot possibly pretend I am not absolutely disgusted by this. We are supposed to be beyond the itzik phase and into the happy new world where we are getting better as a community/scene.
Come the fuck on.
EDIT: Worth mentioning not to long after this post I was contacted/had a conversation with a blizz employee that is pretty high up (just don't want to name drop) and we discussed this. Blizz is aware, things are complicated but they are working on solutions. I posted emotionally and while I did that because I fucking love this game and get really upset/sad when i think things are done poorly I need to remember I have a big platform to speak from. Basically, this isn't good. Blizz knows/cares and is working to communicate their thoughts and make things better moving forward. I will still be here and I have faith things can/will get better.
interesting.
doubt bliz will change it though, twitch will die on that weekend (the stream lags during some minor tourney finals...) and it will be so bad for us who wont be able to watch dota2 in game 
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On July 23 2013 04:39 Kristiyan wrote:
It's the only reasonable decision Blizzard could make because I can't see the starcraft people going back if they watched TI3...
Especially bad if the Koreans see it.
Koreans prefer LoL over Dota2 don't they?
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People need to accept that tournaments are going to start overlapping.
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On July 23 2013 07:42 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 04:39 Kristiyan wrote:
It's the only reasonable decision Blizzard could make because I can't see the starcraft people going back if they watched TI3...
Especially bad if the Koreans see it. Koreans prefer LoL over Dota2 don't they?
You couldn't really play Dota 2 in korea very easily until a month or two ago.
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On July 23 2013 04:39 Kristiyan wrote:
It's the only reasonable decision Blizzard could make because I can't see the starcraft people going back if they watched TI3...
Especially bad if the Koreans see it.
Except I watch both Dota and SC2. Sucks that I have to miss one. Goddamnit Blizz.
I'll probably end up watching TI3 rather than WCS; not because I prefer dota (i actually prefer sc2) but because you can watch dota through the client and twitch will be dying.
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this is so stupid, going to protest blizz by not watching any wcs during ti3, such bad manners. f blizzard
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lol talk about intentionally shooting yourself in the foot.
so sad blizzard, you have fallen so much.
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On July 23 2013 07:44 KnadRa wrote:
People need to accept that tournaments are going to start overlapping.
I think a lot of people here are more so mourning Blizzard/WCS, realizing its completely fucked if it does this.
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Accepting that tournaments will overlap is fair, but not events of this size. Wimbledon doesn't compete with The World Cup.
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Huge blunder, I can't believe Blizzard actually did not consider the possibility of an overlap, and even if they did, simply allowed it. StarCraft will take the worst hit of all, because I don't see it competing with The International at all.
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On July 23 2013 07:44 KnadRa wrote:
People need to accept that tournaments are going to start overlapping.
If it was any other dota2 event i would agree. But the largest dota 2 tournement with a 2.6 million pricepool? Every other weekend of the year and it would have been fine really. They are also making it impossible for the viewer to follow their own tournement in different regions due to the short time span between the finals. If you are trying to make a dick waving contest, you should really be sure your´s is the biggest before going into it
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if its in socal ill probably go watch WCS AM final live...sooo ive made my decision
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WOW shots fired.
Long time Starcraft/Dota player here and I know what I'm gonna watch and its not WCS...
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I'm sorry but is this Dota tournament not going to have any downtime? Nothing between games? You can't have two windows open? It's not even the S2 grand finals or whatever it's just the region ones. I don't get this amount of negative reaction.
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This is stupid, having all three on the same weekend is a dumb idea but trying to compete with ti3 a once a year super tournament makes it even dumber. Whoever came up with this idea needs to be replaced because this isn't the way to grow sc2/esports.
So disappointing.
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