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tribulator
Profile Joined February 2011
774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 21:53:44
July 22 2013 21:53 GMT
#221
I hope blizzards announcement is something to the liking of "After having received over 250 emails from valve addresses only containing the text "hahahahah", we have decided to reschedule for the weekend after".

Sadly they'll just say "Too bad everyone, have fun explaining to your sponsors why your exposure was so low for the finals weekend. Blizzard Allstars coming soon".
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2013 21:53 GMT
#222
On July 23 2013 06:48 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 06:44 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:40 c0ldfusion wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:36 Yoshi- wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:35 c0ldfusion wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:33 whoso wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:30 TheDougler wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:26 Turbulencedota wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:16 Yoshi- wrote:
[quote]


If only I would kill everyone that responses to a "most people are xxx" question with "well, i am not"


How about backing up random bullshit claims like "most SC2 fans are also big Dota 2 fans" with some factual evidence instead?


I believe viewernumbers will provide you enough evidence. If not even that, nothing can prove that to you


Speaking as another SC2 fan who isn't a dota fan (though I'm sure it's a great game), how on earth can you figure that? How will you know if the viewers of one are the viewers of another by simply the numbers alone?

The fact of the matter is you have given zero evidence to support your claim.


for competent statisticians, it should be possible to some extent to explore the impact of TI3 on WCS viewership and vice versa.


It's very easy, we just need a poll in the OP of this thread.


Yea that is the way to go to make an unbiased statistic.


Biased in what way? Based on what forum this thread belongs to? Well of course, I'm just saying it'd be an easy thing to do and right now we have nothing.

Ideally there would be a poll on the front page of this website. (Yes, I'm aware that it will still be biased, but it'd be the best data we have on TL.)


Polls on the internet are worthless, period. They prove nothing. There is a reason that there are entired companies that preform polls to assure they are not bias. I hate it when people just throw a poll up in a thread and then cite that poll as evidence


Way to generalize, are you a statistician or do you just enjoy arguing over the internet?

My main point is that people are vastly overreacting in this thread. Lacking statistically data, I can only use my understanding of both games to infer that an overlap in spectators for the two games should not be significant.

They could a bit, but TL is a pretty bad sample group, since the site supports both games. There are other people who watch SC2 and others who watch Dota 2 that do not overlap, that is for sure. I know the Giant Bomb community will be tuning in and they don't give a shit about SC2.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
July 22 2013 21:54 GMT
#223
On July 23 2013 06:44 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 06:42 sd_andeh wrote:
Rod Breslau ‏@Slasher 1m

Blizzard informs me they will be posting an official response soon regarding the WCS/International 3 overlap.


I think Blizzard's basically going to say that this is a logistical issue that was unfortunate but necessary.


How stupid. If they didn't know beforehand (haha), they were doing a bad job. If they were knowing it, why not include that in their announcement? They can't hope noone notices it...
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
July 22 2013 21:54 GMT
#224
Twitch is going to fall to pieces, and I'll just be watching dota with out any problems. Classy move blizzard
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
July 22 2013 21:55 GMT
#225
why would you do that blizzard? tell me 1 good reason...
lol
Mirham
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark44 Posts
July 22 2013 21:55 GMT
#226
thank god for dota tv, incase twitch rips
It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
July 22 2013 21:56 GMT
#227
On July 23 2013 06:53 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 06:48 c0ldfusion wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:44 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:40 c0ldfusion wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:36 Yoshi- wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:35 c0ldfusion wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:33 whoso wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:30 TheDougler wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:26 Turbulencedota wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
[quote]

How about backing up random bullshit claims like "most SC2 fans are also big Dota 2 fans" with some factual evidence instead?


I believe viewernumbers will provide you enough evidence. If not even that, nothing can prove that to you


Speaking as another SC2 fan who isn't a dota fan (though I'm sure it's a great game), how on earth can you figure that? How will you know if the viewers of one are the viewers of another by simply the numbers alone?

The fact of the matter is you have given zero evidence to support your claim.


for competent statisticians, it should be possible to some extent to explore the impact of TI3 on WCS viewership and vice versa.


It's very easy, we just need a poll in the OP of this thread.


Yea that is the way to go to make an unbiased statistic.


Biased in what way? Based on what forum this thread belongs to? Well of course, I'm just saying it'd be an easy thing to do and right now we have nothing.

Ideally there would be a poll on the front page of this website. (Yes, I'm aware that it will still be biased, but it'd be the best data we have on TL.)


Polls on the internet are worthless, period. They prove nothing. There is a reason that there are entired companies that preform polls to assure they are not bias. I hate it when people just throw a poll up in a thread and then cite that poll as evidence


Way to generalize, are you a statistician or do you just enjoy arguing over the internet?

My main point is that people are vastly overreacting in this thread. Lacking statistically data, I can only use my understanding of both games to infer that an overlap in spectators for the two games should not be significant.

They could a bit, but TL is a pretty bad sample group, since the site supports both games. There are other people who watch SC2 and others who watch Dota 2 that do not overlap, that is for sure. I know the Giant Bomb community will be tuning in and they don't give a shit about SC2.


There's also the fact that TL is a predominantly hardcore community, and as such any statistics derived solely from here can't possibly be extrapolated and generalized as being representative of the entire "esports" community.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
rename
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia329 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 21:58:54
July 22 2013 21:57 GMT
#228
On July 23 2013 06:53 tribulator wrote:
I hope blizzards announcement is something to the liking of "After having received over 250 emails from valve addresses only containing the text "hahahahah", we have decided to reschedule for the weekend after".

Sadly they'll just say "Too bad everyone, have fun explaining to your sponsors why your exposure was so low for the finals weekend. Blizzard Allstars coming soon".


They could probably move WCS EU and AM, because afaik the finals will be at their studios so only resource booked are the
employees. Also they could compress the next sesason for those regions so they could finish everything before blizzcon.
IF the hotels and flights are not already booked for people doing the LAN.

WCS KR is not moveable tho - OSL finals probably will be done outside the studio - there are cable TV advertising deals in place, and korean organizers cant reschedule the next season due to timeslots planned for LoL, WoT and Dota2 at OGN/GomTV
qqK
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany282 Posts
July 22 2013 21:58 GMT
#229
Why is Blizzard so terrible at everything esport?
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10806 Posts
July 22 2013 21:58 GMT
#230
Twitch is lagging for me even on "small" Dota 2 tournaments half the time... Thank god for ingame support :D
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
July 22 2013 21:58 GMT
#231
On July 23 2013 06:29 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 06:27 Arnstein wrote:
I actually think this will be fun. I will buy a shitload of food and just stay inside watching all games for 20+ hours.

And who cares about dota?


On July 23 2013 06:26 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:24 Moltisanti wrote:
On July 23 2013 05:40 Dodgin wrote:
On July 23 2013 05:38 Moltisanti wrote:
Whats TL3?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/The_International/2013


And who the fuck cares? This is a SC2 site, why would we care for a Casualgame tournament? Its not like MLG failed because it was on the same weekend as Evo...

WTF are you talking about. Team Liquid has a Dota 2 team in THE INTERNATIONAL! Did you wonder what all those stories were that were not about SC2 were?


Many people have excluded Dota news. I didn't even know TL had a Dota team before now.

I kinda do and my social life as well. The girlfriend will not approve of 20 hours of SC2 followed by the TI3. She would be totally into one, but both is asking for trouble.


Well, you should have thought about that before getting a girlfriend.
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2013 21:59 GMT
#232
On July 23 2013 06:54 schaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 06:44 AgentW wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:42 sd_andeh wrote:
Rod Breslau ‏@Slasher 1m

Blizzard informs me they will be posting an official response soon regarding the WCS/International 3 overlap.

https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/359427818716798977

I think Blizzard's basically going to say that this is a logistical issue that was unfortunate but necessary.


How stupid. If they didn't know beforehand (haha), they were doing a bad job. If they were knowing it, why not include that in their announcement? They can't hope noone notices it...

Why put it the first annoucement when you can just respond to the people who care? There is a large section of the SC2 community that could give 2 shits about TI3.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
July 22 2013 22:02 GMT
#233
I don't give a shit about TI3, I want an explanation how exactly do they expect me to watch all of WCS....
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
Turbulencedota
Profile Joined October 2012
Romania29 Posts
July 22 2013 22:03 GMT
#234
On July 23 2013 06:59 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 06:54 schaf wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:44 AgentW wrote:
On July 23 2013 06:42 sd_andeh wrote:
Rod Breslau ‏@Slasher 1m

Blizzard informs me they will be posting an official response soon regarding the WCS/International 3 overlap.

https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/359427818716798977

I think Blizzard's basically going to say that this is a logistical issue that was unfortunate but necessary.


How stupid. If they didn't know beforehand (haha), they were doing a bad job. If they were knowing it, why not include that in their announcement? They can't hope noone notices it...

Why put it the first annoucement when you can just respond to the people who care? There is a large section of the SC2 community that could give 2 shits about TI3.


they should care about Dota. I'm gona tell you without Dota 2 and LoL(dota style game) starcraft wouldnt be as big as it is right now.
and NO, I will not provide you proof of that( :D ), you just have to believe me
The counter to bad manner is excessive good manner. "Grubby"
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
July 22 2013 22:04 GMT
#235
I actually wanted to believe Blizzard that the poor scheduling and handling of Season 1 was because of lack of time. Apparently, that was not case.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
July 22 2013 22:05 GMT
#236
What the hell? You've got to be kidding me....
EHOME
Profile Joined August 2012
Ukraine98 Posts
July 22 2013 22:07 GMT
#237
well i like to watch sc2 but i wont miss ti3
looks like blizzard decreasing their viewer count with this stupid decision
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
July 22 2013 22:08 GMT
#238
Full retard
theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
July 22 2013 22:08 GMT
#239
incontrols reddit post might add some context:

All 3 finals on 1 weekend is bad enough (audience will have fatigue at the end) but you are also polarizing your viewership. People will absolutely choose one or the other whereas if they had 2 different weekends to watch they'd go with both TIL3/WCS finals. Even if in some odd world blizzard said "We can win vs that 2+ million dollar super bowl event for a mega popular game with our seasonal regional finals" they will ONLY hurt themselves EVEN IF they "hurt" TIL3 more (I know they won't). It's bad competitively, it's bad selfishly, it's bad for the scene(s)...
I know blizz folk follow me/read my tweets/posts and what not but I cannot possibly pretend I am not absolutely disgusted by this. We are supposed to be beyond the itzik phase and into the happy new world where we are getting better as a community/scene.
Come the fuck on.
EDIT: Worth mentioning not to long after this post I was contacted/had a conversation with a blizz employee that is pretty high up (just don't want to name drop) and we discussed this. Blizz is aware, things are complicated but they are working on solutions. I posted emotionally and while I did that because I fucking love this game and get really upset/sad when i think things are done poorly I need to remember I have a big platform to speak from. Basically, this isn't good. Blizz knows/cares and is working to communicate their thoughts and make things better moving forward. I will still be here and I have faith things can/will get better.
Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
July 22 2013 22:10 GMT
#240
Problems:

1- Dota viewers will not watch WCS, it's The International.
2- Very hard (if not impossible) to watch all the WCS games.
3- Less exposure for both games and all of the sponsors.
4- If twitch struggles, sc2 viewers will suffer more.
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