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Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
July 10 2013 01:48 GMT
#181
Sounds pretty awesome, great news, cant wait for artosis to commentate
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
July 10 2013 01:49 GMT
#182
On July 10 2013 10:47 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 10:45 teddyoojo wrote:
atc2?
is there anything that puts this sc2l ahead of the atc?


The english cast at least.

true, doesnt matter for me tho (cuz i speak german obv.)


also the replay thing, if replays are older than a week i dont give a shit so nothing to watch here anyhow
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
July 10 2013 01:49 GMT
#183
On July 10 2013 10:46 timed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 10:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 10 2013 10:24 timed wrote:
On July 10 2013 10:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 10 2013 10:07 MajOr wrote:
On July 10 2013 10:05 EG.lectR wrote:
On July 10 2013 09:51 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On July 10 2013 09:47 Musicus wrote:
On July 10 2013 09:44 MajOr wrote:
On July 10 2013 09:41 skatblast wrote:
[quote]

well somebody is getting fired...

o wait theres nobody to fire you. Thanks for destroying any hype it had though


sure no problem i just find it disgusting when someone announces a league and try to scam their fans into thinking their games are fresh, its fine to do an event based on replays as long as the replays arent 3 months. but w.e


I love you Major! But really this lessens the value a lot, gotta love ATC being 100% live even more.

They started a league about 6 months ago and then cancelled it when we were almost half way through group stage making all the games we had played utterly pointless, and this one started a month or so ago :/


We did cancel the previous start of the SC2L, but not when the games were "almost halfway through." Teams at max had played two weeks worth of games, and the teams who had done that were only like 2-3 of the 8. We cancelled it out of respect to the teams because we realized we could not yet broadcast the games.



respect? lol is that what you people call respect to gamers? okay

I don't think it's very respectful to the fans to say 6 months when it's actually 4-5 weeks.

Whether 4-5 weeks is okay is another issue entirely, though. I'm fine with it, but apparently a lot of people aren't.

Except games were in fact played 6 months ago, but they will simply be completely ignored instead of broadcasted.

He said the replays were 6 months old, then changed that to 3 months, when apparently a few of them are from 4-5 weeks...

So basically, no he pretty much made stuff up. Either that or he's completely uninformed. And either way, it's disrespectful to the fans, imo.

from the LR thread:

On July 10 2013 10:26 EG.lectR wrote:
On July 10 2013 10:23 geno wrote:
What about playing 2 different players twice each? Or more? This is quite confusing.

Would still like to know when these matches were played as well.

edit: Saw above answer about triple-playing.


This very first match is about 4-5 weeks old. Only one other match has been completed for the first week and it's less than two weeks old. The other half of matches are not even played yet.

So yeah, I think Major should have just kept his mouth shut.


He thought they were broadcasting those 6 month old games since they had in fact played games 6 months ago, but turns out they're just discarding them.

So he was uninformed...

which is why I think he should have at least been less inflammatory.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
July 10 2013 01:50 GMT
#184
Games broadcasted off of replays? some of the previous matches not counting? players breaking the news? One of the worst league name ever?
Well this is off to a great start...

I was hoping this will sort of replace IPTL's place, but now I'm doubting if it will even last 1 season.
NA eSports organization is so top notch.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 01:51:07
July 10 2013 01:50 GMT
#185
On July 10 2013 10:45 Boucot wrote:
I'm fine with Millenium not being invited. Last Mill's appearance in MCSL was pretty much a disaster with a lot of misunderstanding between the admins of both sides about the schedules afaik. This and Stephano who was either absent or doing terrible in his matches, it wasn't good at all. And I prefer them to focus on Acer TeamStory Cup.

But still, nowadays, no qualifiers is a lack in any league (team or individual). Teams like Empire, RoX.KIS, Clarity or Quantic could have been good pretenders to participate.

Eh, Roxkis would have trouble in a four player team league nowadays, don't even think about BO7 Proleague style.
But yeah, I miss Empire. Always preferred them over Na'Vi/FXO.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
July 10 2013 01:52 GMT
#186
On July 10 2013 10:49 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 10:47 Musicus wrote:
On July 10 2013 10:45 teddyoojo wrote:
atc2?
is there anything that puts this sc2l ahead of the atc?


The english cast at least.

true, doesnt matter for me tho (cuz i speak german obv.)


also the replay thing, if replays are older than a week i dont give a shit so nothing to watch here anyhow


Well it's obvious that the main demographic for this team leauge is America, they can't catch ATC at 7am in the US, so it's just nice to have team leagues in all timezones now.

And we can still catch the Vods for free, if our favourite team played for example, you don't have to follow it actively like the ATC. Also the offline finals at DH will be nice.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
July 10 2013 01:58 GMT
#187
On July 10 2013 10:13 Dodgin wrote:
Poll: On the top of replays in broadcasts

I am okay with replay casts if the replays are less than 1 week old (67)
 
42%

I am not okay with replay casts in any form (52)
 
32%

I am okay with replay casts if the replays are less than 2 days old (29)
 
18%

I am okay with replay casts no matter how old the games are (13)
 
8%

161 total votes

Your vote: On the top of replays in broadcasts

(Vote): I am not okay with replay casts in any form
(Vote): I am okay with replay casts if the replays are less than 2 days old
(Vote): I am okay with replay casts if the replays are less than 1 week old
(Vote): I am okay with replay casts no matter how old the games are



Interested to see what the community opinion is on this, personally I would say It's fine if they are less than 2 days old. It can be hard to schedule all the games to be live with players from KR, AM and EU all playing in the tournament.


For me, it's more about being able to get into it with the casters. I enjoy things the most live, but I watch gomtv vods and enjoy them as well, so it's certainly not a "live or nothing" thing for me. It really depends on the style of casting as well. If it's live, I'm ok with a mix of analytical and play by play, but play by play excitement just doesn't feel right when being cast from replays. I'd need some deep analysis and little to no play by play to enjoy casts from replays because play by play of replays feels fake (even when it may not be fake and the caster knows nothing of the results, you just can't tell).

I tend to go out of my way to watch stuff that's casted live (even if I myself don't catch it live and only get to watch the vods) but will only watch stuff casted from replays if I happen to be bored and it's on.

I'm happy to see the community grow though with dlink attempting this sort of league. I hope they get some sort of positive gain from this but that's going to be a hard sell to gamers with even limited knowledge of routers (most of us are happy with our $50 routers).

Also glad to see incontrol in a consistent casting spot again. Hopefully this is a success for dlink and they somehow either eventually make live casting happen or pull the play date in really close to the casting date so it's believable that the casters don't know the match results.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
July 10 2013 01:59 GMT
#188
Time kinda sucks to watch live for me on weeknights...
MichaelScott
Profile Joined April 2013
42 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 02:03:15
July 10 2013 02:01 GMT
#189
lol what a shady announcement, reminds me of NASL s01 with the shitty unprofessional homepage

also really cool not to mention that games are not played live in the op. and instead of lamenting on about the sponsor, one could have explained the organization behind this, i mean sup with the scrappy placed EG logo in the trailer?? lol

props to major and scarlett for keepin it real

"I'll be bringing the casts to you live from our studio in San Francisco, with our co-casters joining me remotely via voice and webcam. " LOL what a fucking scam, i guess this could go by as misleading the stakeholders in various jurisdictions, but hey, did not expect anything l o l
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 02:03:27
July 10 2013 02:01 GMT
#190
On July 10 2013 10:50 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 10:45 Boucot wrote:
I'm fine with Millenium not being invited. Last Mill's appearance in MCSL was pretty much a disaster with a lot of misunderstanding between the admins of both sides about the schedules afaik. This and Stephano who was either absent or doing terrible in his matches, it wasn't good at all. And I prefer them to focus on Acer TeamStory Cup.

But still, nowadays, no qualifiers is a lack in any league (team or individual). Teams like Empire, RoX.KIS, Clarity or Quantic could have been good pretenders to participate.

Eh, Roxkis would have trouble in a four player team league nowadays, don't even think about BO7 Proleague style.
But yeah, I miss Empire. Always preferred them over Na'Vi/FXO.


nevermind, I was wrong.
SEKO SEKO SEKO
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 10 2013 02:03 GMT
#191
This is really cool to see, looking forward to watching it... though I hope it broadcasts a little earlier than it does tonight so I don't have to stay up that late.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
slimjim4567
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3 Posts
July 10 2013 02:06 GMT
#192
Cant wait for this!!!! Will be tuning in tonight!
HerO | WhiteRa | MarineKing_Prime
Alexis_Evo
Profile Joined July 2013
United States22 Posts
July 10 2013 02:14 GMT
#193
I really hope they manage to keep it under a week delay between when games happen and when they are broadcasted ;(. 5 weeks is way too long!
Don't meddle with her heart, meddle with her mind, meddle with the things that are inside. You don't know what you'll find, you don't know what she hides.
Angelavenger
Profile Joined March 2012
United States59 Posts
July 10 2013 02:15 GMT
#194
This is so awesome. I'm totally stoked for it. Go Axiom!!!
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
July 10 2013 02:17 GMT
#195
On July 10 2013 11:14 Alexis_Evo wrote:
I really hope they manage to keep it under a week delay between when games happen and when they are broadcasted ;(. 5 weeks is way too long!


Agreed.. and I can tell you we will do our best as it is in our best interest to make the games as current as possible!
Alexis_Evo
Profile Joined July 2013
United States22 Posts
July 10 2013 02:17 GMT
#196
On July 10 2013 11:03 Larkin wrote:
This is really cool to see, looking forward to watching it... though I hope it broadcasts a little earlier than it does tonight so I don't have to stay up that late.


They can't broadcast it earlier because WCS America is on . Blizzard won't let anyone else compete with WCS.
Don't meddle with her heart, meddle with her mind, meddle with the things that are inside. You don't know what you'll find, you don't know what she hides.
Aggnog
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria77 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 02:18:06
July 10 2013 02:17 GMT
#197
People shouldn't expect a proleague with a different name, logistically it's impossible to have everyone in the same place for such a long period, unless that place is korea.
v_lm
Profile Joined September 2012
France202 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 02:28:32
July 10 2013 02:17 GMT
#198
First of all, good job to all of the people that are involved in it.
It is always a good thing to have teamleagues in the West.
However Ive got a few criticism.(No confusion im mainly happy with what u guys did)

On July 10 2013 09:04 iNcontroL wrote:
We want the SC2L to become the Western world's premier team league.

Isnt it kind of irrelevant, given that the ATC already exists ?

I mean, ATC is live, with a biggest prizepool and most importantly with qualifiers.
And if you look at the overall rankings, the currents first 2 teams (Millenium and MVP) had to qualify...

The requirement to be called (according to the WCS system) a Premier Tournament is mainly prizepool and qualifiers spots in individual leagues... why should it be different in teamleagues ?

So what im feeling here is ATC >> SC2L in terms of relevance, but SC2L>>ATC in terms of hosts and venue (live finals).


Okay the hosts of this tournament kick ass, but with cheapest host (like ATC) you can (at the very least) double the prizepool. And cheapest host may be also more flexible so you can cast it live and you dont have this big issue of commentating an irrelevant metagame. You have also more time and can have qualifiers.
Finally with other hosts you can give the opportunity to newcomers to begin their casting career.





A friend is someone you know well and still love.
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2385 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 02:24:57
July 10 2013 02:24 GMT
#199
On July 10 2013 11:17 v_lm wrote:
First of all, good job to all of the people that are involved in it.
It is always a good thing to have teamleagues in the West.
However Ive got a few criticism.(No confusion im mainly happy with what u guys did)

Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 09:04 iNcontroL wrote:
We want the SC2L to become the Western world's premier team league.

Isnt it kind of irrelevant, given that the ATC already exists ?

I mean, ATC is live, with a biggest prizepool and most importantly with qualifiers.
And if you look at the overall rankings, the currents first 2 teams (Millenium and MVP) had to qualify...

The requirement to be called (according to the WCS system) a Premier Tournament is mainly prizepool and qualifiers spots in individual leagues... why should it be different in teamleagues ?

So what im feeling here is ATC >> SC2L in terms of relevance, but SC2L>>ATC in terms of hosts and venue (live finals).


Okay the hosts of this tournament kick ass, but with cheapest host (like ATC) you can (at the very least) double the prizepool.

Im kinda disappointed : you should do either a bigger thing than what already exists or find a partnership with them.
Even if its just about having some kind of common ranking to seed teams in the two leagues.



ATC entire playoffs will be live in germany
Progamer
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
July 10 2013 02:24 GMT
#200
On July 10 2013 11:17 v_lm wrote:
First of all, good job to all of the people that are involved in it.
It is always a good thing to have teamleagues in the West.
However Ive got a few criticism.(No confusion im mainly happy with what u guys did)

Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 09:04 iNcontroL wrote:
We want the SC2L to become the Western world's premier team league.

Isnt it kind of irrelevant, given that the ATC already exists ?

I mean, ATC is live, with a biggest prizepool and most importantly with qualifiers.
And if you look at the overall rankings, the currents first 2 teams (Millenium and MVP) had to qualify...

The requirement to be called (according to the WCS system) a Premier Tournament is mainly prizepool and qualifiers spots in individual leagues... why should it be different in teamleagues ?

So what im feeling here is ATC >> SC2L in terms of relevance, but SC2L>>ATC in terms of hosts and venue (live finals).


Okay the hosts of this tournament kick ass, but with cheapest host (like ATC) you can (at the very least) double the prizepool.

Im kinda disappointed : you should do either a bigger thing than what already exists or find a partnership with them.
Even if its just about having some kind of common ranking to seed teams in the two leagues.



ATC has offline finals with the top 4 teams going there, not only top 2
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
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