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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 10 2013 11:46 seaofsaturn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:27 Yhamm wrote:On July 10 2013 09:04 iNcontroL wrote:
We want the SC2L to become the Western world's premier team league. Well, good luck with that It's great to see more teams leagues, but: -no qualifier / only invited teams. Where is Millenium actually first in ATC? what about Quantic? -Broadcast hour is horrible for Europeans, even worse than Korean leagues-Axiom got only 4 players, so they are allowed to play more than 1 map per player? what will stop Liquid to put HerO on each map (just an example)? The broadcast hour is actually terrible for anywhere but US west coast. I am US east and will try to watch but will probably fall asleep during the first game. Guess its difficult with WCS around, I kinda wish there was a bit more of an offseason.
It's pretty good for KR time zone and nearby. So it's alright with me :p
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On July 10 2013 11:44 v_lm wrote:
Im not expecting "the best thing ever". But im expecting "the best thing ever with what theyve got", or, if you will, "the best philosophy ever".
I think ATC is way closest to the best philosophy ever than S2L is.
I think its always good to compare.
You didn't compare, you shit on the entire event. You opened with:
"Isnt it kind of irrelevant, given that the ATC already exists ?"
and then processed to complain about the qualifiers, teams, prize poll, how relevant the tournament is and so on. That's not comparing, you are just insulting the event because you can.
So if you like ATC more, great. Go watch it and stop complaining.
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On July 10 2013 11:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:40 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On July 10 2013 11:37 HeadlessWonder wrote:On July 10 2013 11:29 Ajaco92 wrote:
To all the people whining about the age of the replays..... please stop. You didn't even know about this league 4 hours ago.
There's people in this community constantly trying to do what they can to produce content. People that spend the very majority of their time trying to make the scene grow. Trying to satisfy the fans. Without these people we wouldn't have MLG. We wouldn't have DreamHack. We wouldn't have NASL. We wouldn't have SC2L. We wouldn't have any huge tournaments or leagues.
When a league, tournament, event, or anything along those lines, are being announced - it's always going to be some hicups. Who are we to bash the people doing what they can to give us, and note this, free entertainment? How can a thing as positive as a new fucking league become negative, because some of the matches are old?
Yes, 5 weeks is a lot. Yes, it would be better if it was live. I'd take 5 weeks old replays over no content any day of the week. And I'm 100% positive the people actually managing this would prefer a 100% live format, and that they will do their best to at least try to come closer to this format.
It's also been explained (if i understand it correctly), that the matches being 5 weeks old are that old due to delays of the tournament it self. This should prevent future matches from being this delayed, which would mean we're talking about 1-2 matches.
Just be happy there's a new league and stop focusing on this one little detail. Oh my goodness this 100%. I'm just super stoked we are getting a new team league. I don't have any problems with them being cast from replays, especially if it means more Starcraft. Except, after 3 years of SC2, we shouldn't have to "settle" anymore. I am sorry, after three years did we invent time travel or the ability to control the sun? Little has change in how time moves and that all these players are not in the same place.
Ok, but 4-5 weeks or more is somehow acceptable for what is trying to be touted as a "premier" league? No, it isn't. I get that this is a special circumstance and it looks like we probably won't have to deal with more than a week (which is totally acceptable) but this is not a great launch.
There's so much other great SC2 content out there, why should I have to settle for an inferior product? Especially one that's on at a horrendous time for my time zone?
Look, I want a league like this to do well, I think growing NA scene is good, but I just think the start of this league is not a very good one. Maybe when/if replays get caught up this season I'll start watching.
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Canada16217 Posts
On July 10 2013 11:48 deceptionx wrote:
5 week old replays is pretty ridiculous. Nice of you to organize this but TBH there's really no interest to me with replays that old.
Only the first team match is that old and then the other one is 2 weeks old or so. The other matches after that have not been played and will be a lot fresher.
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On July 10 2013 11:48 deceptionx wrote:
5 week old replays is pretty ridiculous. Nice of you to organize this but TBH there's really no interest to me with replays that old.
its one match with replays that old....
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On July 10 2013 11:49 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:42 Plansix wrote:On July 10 2013 11:40 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On July 10 2013 11:37 HeadlessWonder wrote:On July 10 2013 11:29 Ajaco92 wrote:
To all the people whining about the age of the replays..... please stop. You didn't even know about this league 4 hours ago.
There's people in this community constantly trying to do what they can to produce content. People that spend the very majority of their time trying to make the scene grow. Trying to satisfy the fans. Without these people we wouldn't have MLG. We wouldn't have DreamHack. We wouldn't have NASL. We wouldn't have SC2L. We wouldn't have any huge tournaments or leagues.
When a league, tournament, event, or anything along those lines, are being announced - it's always going to be some hicups. Who are we to bash the people doing what they can to give us, and note this, free entertainment? How can a thing as positive as a new fucking league become negative, because some of the matches are old?
Yes, 5 weeks is a lot. Yes, it would be better if it was live. I'd take 5 weeks old replays over no content any day of the week. And I'm 100% positive the people actually managing this would prefer a 100% live format, and that they will do their best to at least try to come closer to this format.
It's also been explained (if i understand it correctly), that the matches being 5 weeks old are that old due to delays of the tournament it self. This should prevent future matches from being this delayed, which would mean we're talking about 1-2 matches.
Just be happy there's a new league and stop focusing on this one little detail. Oh my goodness this 100%. I'm just super stoked we are getting a new team league. I don't have any problems with them being cast from replays, especially if it means more Starcraft. Except, after 3 years of SC2, we shouldn't have to "settle" anymore. I am sorry, after three years did we invent time travel or the ability to control the sun? Little has change in how time moves and that all these players are not in the same place. Ok, but 4-5 weeks or more is somehow acceptable for what is trying to be touted as a "premier" league? No, it isn't. I get that this is a special circumstance and it looks like we probably won't have to deal with more than a week (which is totally acceptable) but this is not a great launch. There's so much other great SC2 content out there, why should I have to settle for an inferior product?
For one week and they admitted it was a mistake on their part. People make mistakes and then we forgive them and move on. They also said they would like to become a "premier" league in the future.
And your right, you don't have to settle, because you don't have to watch. If the 5 week old replay offends you that much, I recommend you avoid the first week and come back when it is up to your high standards. No one is forcing you.
And it is in a terrible time zone for me too, but I accept that everything will not be in a good time zone for me(Dreamhack)
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Sounds cool, too bad we will never get to have Idra and iNcontroL as the casters, they are a great team.
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On July 10 2013 11:49 Plansix wrote:
You didn't compare, you shit on the entire event. You opened with:
"Isnt it kind of irrelevant, given that the ATC already exists ?"
and then processed to complain about the qualifiers, teams, prize poll, how relevant the tournament is and so on. That's not comparing, you are just insulting the event because you can.
So if you like ATC more, great. Go watch it and stop complaining.
I was answering to IncontroL saying "We want it to be the Premier Teamleague in the West".
So yeah, it IS irrelevant, in my opinion, and I found relevant to say that.
Now, I dont "shit on them" or blame them... whatever.
In fact I cant blame them their sponsors must have say "OK we want to run a teamleague with Day9 Artosis and DJwheat casting. We give you XXXXX dollars" So with the busy schedules of the star casters they couldnt run it live neither run qualifiers, and with the amount of money that is the casters salary they had to give a really modest prizepool.
So OK its nice to have a teamleague but the philosophy of the S2L is clearly : "Lets have some fun and exposure with starcasters, lets invite our friend TBs team Axiom even if they dont have the required number of players to compete, lets say its a Premier Teamleague". And I dont agree with that.
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On July 10 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:49 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On July 10 2013 11:42 Plansix wrote:On July 10 2013 11:40 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On July 10 2013 11:37 HeadlessWonder wrote:On July 10 2013 11:29 Ajaco92 wrote:
To all the people whining about the age of the replays..... please stop. You didn't even know about this league 4 hours ago.
There's people in this community constantly trying to do what they can to produce content. People that spend the very majority of their time trying to make the scene grow. Trying to satisfy the fans. Without these people we wouldn't have MLG. We wouldn't have DreamHack. We wouldn't have NASL. We wouldn't have SC2L. We wouldn't have any huge tournaments or leagues.
When a league, tournament, event, or anything along those lines, are being announced - it's always going to be some hicups. Who are we to bash the people doing what they can to give us, and note this, free entertainment? How can a thing as positive as a new fucking league become negative, because some of the matches are old?
Yes, 5 weeks is a lot. Yes, it would be better if it was live. I'd take 5 weeks old replays over no content any day of the week. And I'm 100% positive the people actually managing this would prefer a 100% live format, and that they will do their best to at least try to come closer to this format.
It's also been explained (if i understand it correctly), that the matches being 5 weeks old are that old due to delays of the tournament it self. This should prevent future matches from being this delayed, which would mean we're talking about 1-2 matches.
Just be happy there's a new league and stop focusing on this one little detail. Oh my goodness this 100%. I'm just super stoked we are getting a new team league. I don't have any problems with them being cast from replays, especially if it means more Starcraft. Except, after 3 years of SC2, we shouldn't have to "settle" anymore. I am sorry, after three years did we invent time travel or the ability to control the sun? Little has change in how time moves and that all these players are not in the same place. Ok, but 4-5 weeks or more is somehow acceptable for what is trying to be touted as a "premier" league? No, it isn't. I get that this is a special circumstance and it looks like we probably won't have to deal with more than a week (which is totally acceptable) but this is not a great launch. There's so much other great SC2 content out there, why should I have to settle for an inferior product? For one week and they admitted it was a mistake on their part. People make mistakes and then we forgive them and move on. They also said they would like to become a "premier" league in the future. And your right, you don't have to settle, because you don't have to watch. If the 5 week old replay offends you that much, I recommend you avoid the first week and come back when it is up to your high standards. No one is forcing you. And it is in a terrible time zone for me too, but I accept that everything will not be in a good time zone for me(Dreamhack)
It's just not a great start. After 3 freaking years of SC2, standards SHOULD be high. If people keep saying "well, this is good enough just appreciate what we have!" things will just remain stagnant. It's not about being entitled (as one other poster already called me, lol) it's about wanting things done right from the start and then continuously improving. SC2 has been around long enough to expect that, especially for a league that wants to become "premier".
Having said that, team leagues for western teams (with an NA focus) can only be good for NA SC2. I just hope it comes together better.
Actually, I think my biggest problem with all this is Blizzard saying that this absolutely cannot be broadcast at a time that interferes with WCS. ?????? Way to grow NA scene by forcing out everything that isn't WCS KR #2
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wtf the discount was only $6.00...
Also, I highly doubt a $200 "gaming" router would really make much difference to the generic viewer. It -might- be good for something like a team house, but honestly, I think a good ol' $50 router would suffice with zero problems. Even at $174 (includes the $6 discount and the $20 newegg credit), it's far too steep for the average consumer...
Nice seeing a new -cough- team league though.
@Krazy
Honestly, the SC2 scene isn't really that large. Plus, this isn't like a huge tournament. It's a fairly large western team league, but this isn't Pro-League. There aren't tons of people being paid to keep everything looking nice and clean. I'd agree that some things could be improved upon quite easily, but does it -really- matter? The matches and fun casting should be the biggest concern.
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Russian Federation6 Posts
Looks like they forgot to edit the old "RaidCall StarCraft II League" name on the About page.
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This first match is 5 week old replays? Really, really terrible way to start things off...
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On July 10 2013 11:59 Blargh wrote:
wtf the discount was only $6.00...
Also, I highly doubt a $200 "gaming" router would really make much difference to the generic viewer. It -might- be good for something like a team house, but honestly, I think a good ol' $50 router would suffice with zero problems. Even at $174 (includes the $6 discount and the $20 newegg credit), it's far too steep for the average consumer...
Nice seeing a new -cough- team league though.
Yea that router is insanely overpriced. There have been "gaming" routers in the past, they really don't do anything special that a regular $50 linksys can't do.
Reminds me of all those gaming NIC cards that claimed you got higher fps and lower ping.
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On July 10 2013 11:59 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On July 10 2013 11:49 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On July 10 2013 11:42 Plansix wrote:On July 10 2013 11:40 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On July 10 2013 11:37 HeadlessWonder wrote:On July 10 2013 11:29 Ajaco92 wrote:
To all the people whining about the age of the replays..... please stop. You didn't even know about this league 4 hours ago.
There's people in this community constantly trying to do what they can to produce content. People that spend the very majority of their time trying to make the scene grow. Trying to satisfy the fans. Without these people we wouldn't have MLG. We wouldn't have DreamHack. We wouldn't have NASL. We wouldn't have SC2L. We wouldn't have any huge tournaments or leagues.
When a league, tournament, event, or anything along those lines, are being announced - it's always going to be some hicups. Who are we to bash the people doing what they can to give us, and note this, free entertainment? How can a thing as positive as a new fucking league become negative, because some of the matches are old?
Yes, 5 weeks is a lot. Yes, it would be better if it was live. I'd take 5 weeks old replays over no content any day of the week. And I'm 100% positive the people actually managing this would prefer a 100% live format, and that they will do their best to at least try to come closer to this format.
It's also been explained (if i understand it correctly), that the matches being 5 weeks old are that old due to delays of the tournament it self. This should prevent future matches from being this delayed, which would mean we're talking about 1-2 matches.
Just be happy there's a new league and stop focusing on this one little detail. Oh my goodness this 100%. I'm just super stoked we are getting a new team league. I don't have any problems with them being cast from replays, especially if it means more Starcraft. Except, after 3 years of SC2, we shouldn't have to "settle" anymore. I am sorry, after three years did we invent time travel or the ability to control the sun? Little has change in how time moves and that all these players are not in the same place. Ok, but 4-5 weeks or more is somehow acceptable for what is trying to be touted as a "premier" league? No, it isn't. I get that this is a special circumstance and it looks like we probably won't have to deal with more than a week (which is totally acceptable) but this is not a great launch. There's so much other great SC2 content out there, why should I have to settle for an inferior product? For one week and they admitted it was a mistake on their part. People make mistakes and then we forgive them and move on. They also said they would like to become a "premier" league in the future. And your right, you don't have to settle, because you don't have to watch. If the 5 week old replay offends you that much, I recommend you avoid the first week and come back when it is up to your high standards. No one is forcing you. And it is in a terrible time zone for me too, but I accept that everything will not be in a good time zone for me(Dreamhack) It's just not a great start. After 3 freaking years of SC2, standards SHOULD be high. If people keep saying "well, this is good enough just appreciate what we have!" things will just remain stagnant. It's not about being entitled (as one other poster already called me, lol) it's about wanting things done right from the start and then continuously improving. SC2 has been around long enough to expect that, especially for a league that wants to become "premier". Having said that, team leagues for western teams (with an NA focus) can only be good for NA SC2. I just hope it comes together better.
Eh, just admit it your being a little unforgiving for their first week out. Expecting things to be prefect is nice, but I don't see people jumping up and down on Dreamhack when that spinning logo goes up for the 43rd time or they have 3 hours of downtime.
Yes it has been three years and stuff in NA is a still a little behind the ball. But maybe we should save the criticism until after the first broadcast.
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On July 10 2013 11:59 v_lm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:49 Plansix wrote:
You didn't compare, you shit on the entire event. You opened with:
"Isnt it kind of irrelevant, given that the ATC already exists ?"
and then processed to complain about the qualifiers, teams, prize poll, how relevant the tournament is and so on. That's not comparing, you are just insulting the event because you can.
So if you like ATC more, great. Go watch it and stop complaining. I was answering to IncontroL saying "We want it to be the Premier Teamleague in the West". So yeah, it IS irrelevant, in my opinion, and I found relevant to say that. Now, I dont "shit on them" or blame them... whatever. In fact I cant blame them their sponsors must have say "OK we want to run a teamleague with Day9 Artosis and DJwheat casting. We give you XXXXX dollars" So with the busy schedules of the star casters they couldnt run it live neither run qualifiers, and with the amount of money that is the casters salary they had to give a really modest prizepool. So OK its nice to have a teamleague but the philosophy of the S2L is clearly : "Lets have some fun and exposure with starcasters, lets invite our friend TBs team Axiom even if they dont have the required number of players to compete, lets say its a Premier Teamleague". And I dont agree with that.
Luck for you, you do not need to watch. It is clearly a league focused on a few specific leagues that have their roots in NA and if you don't like it, there is plenty of other leagues for you to enjoy.
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On July 10 2013 12:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:59 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On July 10 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On July 10 2013 11:49 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On July 10 2013 11:42 Plansix wrote:On July 10 2013 11:40 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On July 10 2013 11:37 HeadlessWonder wrote:On July 10 2013 11:29 Ajaco92 wrote:
To all the people whining about the age of the replays..... please stop. You didn't even know about this league 4 hours ago.
There's people in this community constantly trying to do what they can to produce content. People that spend the very majority of their time trying to make the scene grow. Trying to satisfy the fans. Without these people we wouldn't have MLG. We wouldn't have DreamHack. We wouldn't have NASL. We wouldn't have SC2L. We wouldn't have any huge tournaments or leagues.
When a league, tournament, event, or anything along those lines, are being announced - it's always going to be some hicups. Who are we to bash the people doing what they can to give us, and note this, free entertainment? How can a thing as positive as a new fucking league become negative, because some of the matches are old?
Yes, 5 weeks is a lot. Yes, it would be better if it was live. I'd take 5 weeks old replays over no content any day of the week. And I'm 100% positive the people actually managing this would prefer a 100% live format, and that they will do their best to at least try to come closer to this format.
It's also been explained (if i understand it correctly), that the matches being 5 weeks old are that old due to delays of the tournament it self. This should prevent future matches from being this delayed, which would mean we're talking about 1-2 matches.
Just be happy there's a new league and stop focusing on this one little detail. Oh my goodness this 100%. I'm just super stoked we are getting a new team league. I don't have any problems with them being cast from replays, especially if it means more Starcraft. Except, after 3 years of SC2, we shouldn't have to "settle" anymore. I am sorry, after three years did we invent time travel or the ability to control the sun? Little has change in how time moves and that all these players are not in the same place. Ok, but 4-5 weeks or more is somehow acceptable for what is trying to be touted as a "premier" league? No, it isn't. I get that this is a special circumstance and it looks like we probably won't have to deal with more than a week (which is totally acceptable) but this is not a great launch. There's so much other great SC2 content out there, why should I have to settle for an inferior product? For one week and they admitted it was a mistake on their part. People make mistakes and then we forgive them and move on. They also said they would like to become a "premier" league in the future. And your right, you don't have to settle, because you don't have to watch. If the 5 week old replay offends you that much, I recommend you avoid the first week and come back when it is up to your high standards. No one is forcing you. And it is in a terrible time zone for me too, but I accept that everything will not be in a good time zone for me(Dreamhack) It's just not a great start. After 3 freaking years of SC2, standards SHOULD be high. If people keep saying "well, this is good enough just appreciate what we have!" things will just remain stagnant. It's not about being entitled (as one other poster already called me, lol) it's about wanting things done right from the start and then continuously improving. SC2 has been around long enough to expect that, especially for a league that wants to become "premier". Having said that, team leagues for western teams (with an NA focus) can only be good for NA SC2. I just hope it comes together better. Eh, just admit it your being a little unforgiving for their first week out. Expecting things to be prefect is nice, but I don't see people jumping up and down on Dreamhack when that spinning logo goes up for the 43rd time or they have 3 hours of downtime. Yes it has been three years and stuff in NA is a still a little behind the ball. But maybe we should save the criticism until after the first broadcast.
I will not admit this.
Anyway, standard TL. "Agree with the hive mind or else!" Nothing surprising here 
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Canada580 Posts
Lol, like somebody already mentioned, this is basically those old EG Masters Cups Leagues that nobody honestly really cared about. The fact that in this current climate of SC2 tournaments and the general scene as it is, that they will be casting from replays is just so ridiculous. Heh, "hype" indeed.
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"if you don't like it, there is plenty of other leagues for you to enjoy."
No actually.
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On July 10 2013 12:09 v_lm wrote:
"if you don't like it, there is plenty of other leagues for you to enjoy."
No actually.
There is ATC, you said. You can watch that when it is on, because it is of the quality you enjoy. Everyone gets the product they want.
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France7248 Posts
On July 10 2013 12:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:59 v_lm wrote:On July 10 2013 11:49 Plansix wrote:
You didn't compare, you shit on the entire event. You opened with:
"Isnt it kind of irrelevant, given that the ATC already exists ?"
and then processed to complain about the qualifiers, teams, prize poll, how relevant the tournament is and so on. That's not comparing, you are just insulting the event because you can.
So if you like ATC more, great. Go watch it and stop complaining. I was answering to IncontroL saying "We want it to be the Premier Teamleague in the West". So yeah, it IS irrelevant, in my opinion, and I found relevant to say that. Now, I dont "shit on them" or blame them... whatever. In fact I cant blame them their sponsors must have say "OK we want to run a teamleague with Day9 Artosis and DJwheat casting. We give you XXXXX dollars" So with the busy schedules of the star casters they couldnt run it live neither run qualifiers, and with the amount of money that is the casters salary they had to give a really modest prizepool. So OK its nice to have a teamleague but the philosophy of the S2L is clearly : "Lets have some fun and exposure with starcasters, lets invite our friend TBs team Axiom even if they dont have the required number of players to compete, lets say its a Premier Teamleague". And I dont agree with that. Luck for you, you do not need to watch. It is clearly a league focused on a few specific leagues that have their roots in NA and if you don't like it, there is plenty of other leagues for you to enjoy.
Axiom & Acer have so deep roots in NA
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