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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On July 09 2013 07:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm actually surprised that Blizzard didn't just remove the medivac healing, and keep everything else the same. Probably because it sets the precedent of seemingly arbitrary exceptions to rules, which I don't think SC has ever really had. They can't just remove the biological tag either, as that would possibly break TvP. | ||
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jeri
Germany335 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44311 Posts
On July 09 2013 07:05 Daralii wrote: Probably because it sets the precedent of seemingly arbitrary exceptions to rules, which I don't think SC has ever really had. They can't just remove the biological tag either, as that would possibly break TvP. Why can't they remove the bio tag, exactly? | ||
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Highwinds
Canada955 Posts
On July 09 2013 07:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Why can't they remove the bio tag, exactly? They would then become a unit that terran uses a buffer vs archons. Suddenly Archons become useless vs hellbats | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44311 Posts
On July 09 2013 07:12 Highwinds wrote: They would then become a unit that terran uses a buffer vs archons. Suddenly Archons become useless vs hellbats Ah okay, thanks! | ||
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F1rstAssau1t
1341 Posts
U better watch out Bobby Kotick!! | ||
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n0ah
United States250 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
People are getting earlier observers now to scout for drops and to see mines. 1 gate expand into robo immediately after shut down Banshee harass exactly the same in WoL. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
On July 09 2013 07:12 Highwinds wrote: They would then become a unit that terran uses a buffer vs archons. Suddenly Archons become useless vs hellbats lol that has nothing to do with it. Hellbats are biological so it promotes drop play in mech.. At the point they were still investing in mech to become a real option which was the idea behind HotS terran. Overall this patch is ok. Hellbat nerf is good for the game and a banshee buff is fine, however the banshee buff may be a little much. 1 gas banshee becomes possible now which seems really strong for TvT and possible even TvZ. With hellbats drops out of the equation i can see banshee opener becoming too good in TvT, it's quite safe, likely to equalize against FE and seems to have little weaknesses. Worst of all about this patch though is that mech is getting nerfed AGAIN for a thing that doesn't concern mech... Tanks got nerfed long time ago because of small maps 1-1-1 got nerfed several times (immortal buff etc) blueflame hellions got nerfed for being too strong against zerg now hellbats nerfed because of drops. Mech needs MECH buffs in response not other generic buffs (arguably banshee openers enable mech a bit more but not enough to compensate for needing blueflame). They could have easily removed transformation servos for example, that tech was only ever introduced to prevent hellbat timings (you could make hellions, get an armory and instantly have strong hellbat timings). With blueflame being neccesary for hellbats to shine it would have been reasonable to remove transformation servos for example. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On July 09 2013 07:27 DinoMight wrote: I don't understand why people are saying Banshees are useless now. They're just as useful as they were in WoL. The only change is META. People are getting earlier observers now to scout for drops and to see mines. 1 gate expand into robo immediately after shut down Banshee harass exactly the same in WoL. Spores are spawning pool tech now. It used to require an evo chamber. | ||
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HystericaLaughter
Australia720 Posts
Innovation is basically just the perfect Kespa robot. He plays what ever style the Korean metagame dictates is the strongest and does it better than anyone else. | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On July 09 2013 07:12 Highwinds wrote: They would then become a unit that terran uses a buffer vs archons. Suddenly Archons become useless vs hellbats As a protoss player, I wouldn't mind this at all. Less damage from archons, in trade medivacs can't heal hellbats? I'd take that all day. The problem isn't archons are the only answer to hellbats; the problem is that everything protoss on the ground (except colossi) are actually terrible at killing hellbats quickly (because of the healing in large part). | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On July 09 2013 07:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Spores are spawning pool tech now. It used to require an evo chamber. when all terran can harass you with is cloaking now (mine/banshee) don't you think it would be easier to stop? I think banshees are not going to be enough to fill the gap hellbat nerf will leave | ||
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mostevil
United Kingdom611 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On July 09 2013 07:29 Markwerf wrote: lol that has nothing to do with it. Hellbats are biological so it promotes drop play in mech.. At the point they were still investing in mech to become a real option which was the idea behind HotS terran. I think they made them biological at a time when it became clear mech would not really work, so they tried to give the unit a new role, integrate them with normal bio play. | ||
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On July 09 2013 07:33 c0sm0naut wrote: when all terran can harass you with is cloaking now (mine/banshee) don't you think it would be easier to stop? I think banshees are not going to be enough to fill the gap hellbat nerf will leave Don't know, think it will be fine with TvZ. With cheap cloak, you can force early lair tech for detection. Also banshees will make T a lot safer than hellbat openings vs any kind of busts(and possibly therefor allow terran to be even more greedy behind the banshees if that's possible :D). I don't think TvZ will be that bad after the nerf to hellbats. TvP however will be terrible. Banshees can't do anything in TvP, so they basically killed hellbat drop opener without giving anything in return. For mech this is a terrible nerf, just removing the threat of hellbat drops is a huge loss. For TvT I just don't like this nerf. It's one of the typical "we think something is broken, so just fuck it". I don't particularly think everyone going banshee vs banshee is any better than hellbat vs hellbat. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On July 09 2013 06:58 Prog455 wrote: Does anyone know if they will reduce cargo size aswell? Now that they are not as strong it would be appropriate to change the completely arbitrary cargo size. Hellbats need to be nerfed, not buffed. | ||
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