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GomTV's Finals Preview: Interviews and Predictions - Page 4

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Adonminus
Profile Joined January 2012
Israel543 Posts
May 31 2013 09:36 GMT
#61
I'm sure Innovation gonna practice really hard for this final match, trying to remove his weaknesses and bring more perfect play. Considering how he's been playing up until now, it's gonna be quite hard to win him as zerg even you're the best zerg. Innovation's ZvT is just so strong.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
May 31 2013 09:38 GMT
#62
On May 31 2013 18:33 liberate71 wrote:
I love how Innovation is like "Oh I havent done perfect games so far, I want do do perfect games"

OK BUDDY!


I think I actually remember one game in which he forgot to remove one mule from the mineral line before the last incomplete trip. The guy must have felt really shitty watching that replay.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 31 2013 09:47 GMT
#63
On May 31 2013 18:05 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 17:19 THM wrote:
And here are the real chances of both players (according to https://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 GSL/1/Lines.aspx ):

Fri 5/31 2001 Innovation 1.377
11:30 PM 2002 Soulkey 3.200

Surprisingly inept predictions from the casters who are supposed to be knowledgeable, or maybe as some people said they are just trying to hype things up.

Did you seriously based of your conclusions of a betting site instead of actual knowledgeable people?


I agree.

A few people who know what they're talking about are generally right in what they say, even if a large mass of people who don't know what they're talking about disagree.


Some people have said casters may be betting on Soulkey just to keep hype up. While that may be true, I actually see it as Innovation maybe not being as invincible as it's currently portrayed. Innovation himself said that there have been holes in his play, it's just that we "newbies" don't see them.

I'm hoping Soulkey wins just because he's the underdog though.
maru lover forever
Sigo
Profile Joined April 2013
France12 Posts
May 31 2013 10:02 GMT
#64
Winter is coming, and this final will be the start !

I want see Soulkey win, but I'm afraid by Innovation's level

I hope. FOR THE SWARM !
I will find you, i will kill you ... and i will play another game.
Tosster
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland299 Posts
May 31 2013 10:04 GMT
#65
No celebrations... MEH
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
May 31 2013 10:04 GMT
#66
Q: You're known for your quiet personality. Will you celebrate in some way if you win?


Both guys asked the same question, so there´s probably gonna be a huge party after the win, haha.

opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 31 2013 10:13 GMT
#67
On May 31 2013 16:46 nimdil wrote:
Wasn't creator first wcs Korea champion?

oh lol so true haha
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 10:26:28
May 31 2013 10:13 GMT
#68
On May 31 2013 18:16 THM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 18:05 Assirra wrote:
On May 31 2013 17:19 THM wrote:
And here are the real chances of both players (according to https://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 GSL/1/Lines.aspx ):

Fri 5/31 2001 Innovation 1.377
11:30 PM 2002 Soulkey 3.200

Surprisingly inept predictions from the casters who are supposed to be knowledgeable, or maybe as some people said they are just trying to hype things up.

Did you seriously based of your conclusions of a betting site instead of actual knowledgeable people?


Actually betting sites are often the best place to see the real chances of an outcome as they try the hardest to figure those out, as, you know, if they get them wrong they will actually incur a huge loss due to your "actual knowledgeable people" coming and betting large sums of money on the winning player.

Having something to loose doesn't change the fact that they know less then "actual knowledgeable people". A bronze player will never know as much as these casters even if he spends ages figuring it out.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
May 31 2013 10:24 GMT
#69
On May 31 2013 17:19 THM wrote:
And here are the real chances of both players (according to https://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 GSL/1/Lines.aspx ):

Fri 5/31 2001 Innovation 1.377
11:30 PM 2002 Soulkey 3.200

Surprisingly inept predictions from the casters who are supposed to be knowledgeable, or maybe as some people said they are just trying to hype things up.

Or maybe these guys just have more knowledge. You know, this being their job and all.
AdministratorBreak the chains
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 31 2013 10:24 GMT
#70
On May 31 2013 18:16 THM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 18:05 Assirra wrote:
On May 31 2013 17:19 THM wrote:
And here are the real chances of both players (according to https://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 GSL/1/Lines.aspx ):

Fri 5/31 2001 Innovation 1.377
11:30 PM 2002 Soulkey 3.200

Surprisingly inept predictions from the casters who are supposed to be knowledgeable, or maybe as some people said they are just trying to hype things up.

Did you seriously based of your conclusions of a betting site instead of actual knowledgeable people?


Actually betting sites are often the best place to see the real chances of an outcome as they try the hardest to figure those out, as, you know, if they get them wrong they will actually incur a huge loss due to your "actual knowledgeable people" coming and betting large sums of money on the winning player.

betting site odds are not set by the site themselves, they're based on what people are placing on the outcomes. that's why odds change
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
RunningInSquares
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States215 Posts
May 31 2013 10:33 GMT
#71
FBH's prediction. Oh you...
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 31 2013 10:58 GMT
#72
cool interview (although the answers feel very similar lol). Can't wait!
DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
May 31 2013 11:08 GMT
#73
Dat Innovation mindset about improving. LETS GO INNOVATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"a pitchfork is for hay. a trident is for killing bitches." -djwheat
emanresU
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany393 Posts
May 31 2013 11:10 GMT
#74
On May 31 2013 18:38 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 18:33 liberate71 wrote:
I love how Innovation is like "Oh I havent done perfect games so far, I want do do perfect games"

OK BUDDY!


I think I actually remember one game in which he forgot to remove one mule from the mineral line before the last incomplete trip. The guy must have felt really shitty watching that replay.

That is some seriously sloppy play right there.
There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things you love. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 31 2013 11:14 GMT
#75
Interesting that most of the Korean predictions are in favor of Soulkey. I tend to believe them more than random TL writers, who went with what the consensus on TL is at the moment.
We'll see if Soulkey indeed manages to outmatch Innovation.
Fus Ro Dah
Profile Joined January 2013
Singapore141 Posts
May 31 2013 11:19 GMT
#76
On May 31 2013 17:19 THM wrote:
And here are the real chances of both players (according to https://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 GSL/1/Lines.aspx ):

Fri 5/31 2001 Innovation 1.377
11:30 PM 2002 Soulkey 3.200

Surprisingly inept predictions from the casters who are supposed to be knowledgeable, or maybe as some people said they are just trying to hype things up.


Holy crap, I never knew real money betting existed for SC2!!!
duckmaster
Profile Joined August 2011
687 Posts
May 31 2013 11:23 GMT
#77
On May 31 2013 18:21 THM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 18:11 negativedge wrote:
On May 31 2013 18:00 THM wrote:
On May 31 2013 17:51 Sissors wrote:
On May 31 2013 17:19 THM wrote:
And here are the real chances of both players (according to https://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 GSL/1/Lines.aspx ):

Fri 5/31 2001 Innovation 1.377
11:30 PM 2002 Soulkey 3.200

Surprisingly inept predictions from the casters who are supposed to be knowledgeable, or maybe as some people said they are just trying to hype things up.

How can you possibly call it inept when the games haven't been played yet?


Here's a harsher example: If Roger Federer in his top form plays a player that is ranked number 210 in the world then predicting said player to win vs Federer is an inept prediction no matter the outcome as everything points towards a Federer victory.


I don't know if you heard, dawg, but soulkey isn't the 210th ranked Starcraft 2 player.

and upsets in tennis are much more rare than in Starcraft anyway.


That's why I said "a harsher example"
In the Federer case the odds would be something like 1.01 for Federer and 25.00 for the other guy. Here as Soulkey is also pretty good it's only 1.37 vs 3.20. Still, if you had the opportunity to bet 10 dollars and would receive 20 dollars if your player won (2.00 vs 2.00 odds) you would be a fool not to bet on Bogus. Hence my surprise at the casters' choices.


So in short you think Soulkey is not as good as Bogus. You could say that instead of saying "well if the odds were 2.00 and 2.00 you would be fool not to bet on Bogus" The casters obviously think Soulkey is better. So the point stands: how can you know the predictions are inept if the games haven't even been played yet? You act as if Bogus being better is not a matter of opinion.
Obender99
Profile Joined September 2012
United States31 Posts
May 31 2013 11:28 GMT
#78
Interesting that most TL writers think Innovation will win, and most GOMTV bet on Soulkey.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
May 31 2013 11:31 GMT
#79
I think the GSL casters are forgetting that Flash plays a very similar style to Innovation, utilizing the constant push to wear down his opponents and with drops to distract them and put the out of position so his pushes can be even more lethal.
When Soulkey and Flash went head to head, in the first group stage, Soulkey was destroyed 2-0. While Soulkey has gotten better over the one and a half month time span since, so has Innovation, and Innovation was already doing what Flash was doing, but better, stronger multi-tasking, better micro, pinpoint macro.

I'm sure Innovation knows about the holes in his gameplay and will do everything in his power to patch them up, if he can play just slightly safer and deny Soulkey from doing critical damage in the early game, then I feel like Innovation will take it in the mid and late game.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
E.L.V.I.S
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium458 Posts
May 31 2013 11:39 GMT
#80
Soulkey easy !
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