With the conclusion of Season 1 WCS EU, KR and NA, the details of WCS Season 1 Global Finals have just surfaced.
The finals will be divided into two parts and held at two different locations: group stage and earlier rounds of playoffs will be played at Yongsan e-Stadium on June 7th and 8th, the semifinals and Grand Final will be moved to the famous Jamsil Students' Indoor Gymnasium starting 3pm KST, June 9th.
The entire broadcast will be handled by OGN which will also run WCS Korea Season 2 under the Starleague brand, the English casters of WCS Season 1 Finals will be Erik "DoA" Lonnquist, Christopher "MonteCristo" Mykles, Shaun "Apollo" Clark and Sean "Day[9]" Plott.
Map pool: Whirlwind, Bel'shir Vestige, Akilon Wastes, Star Station, Neo Planet S, Newkirk Precinct and Daybreak.
On May 28 2013 20:53 DoA wrote: Before I get lynched any further....
There'll be a GOMtv cast as well. It'll be the regular casters casting remotely in the same way that Monte and I have been casting WCS Korea on OGN. (for at least 5 people. Sometimes maybe even 10!) The entire WCS situation has been awkward for all the casters here. Trust me. It's all out of our control though. We're just casters. It's going to be a good weekend of games regardless.
On May 28 2013 17:25 Dodgin wrote: I'm guessing there's some ridiculous political reason for not having any GOM casters there, how stupid.
My thoughts as well, I guess they will cast from GomTV studio with their own video feed just like what OGN is doing with WCS KR S1, imagine Gom's stream beating OGN's numbers on a second-hand video feed lol. Oh wait, OGN has DayPollo.
On May 28 2013 17:28 Initiative wrote: no tastosis and montechristo is a LoL caster... what is going on?
Montecristo also plays SC2 and as far as I know he plays it at a farily high level, masters KR if I remember correct. His proleague cast with DoA is in fact quite good.
On May 28 2013 17:28 Initiative wrote: no tastosis and montechristo is a LoL caster... what is going on?
Montecristo also plays SC2 and as far as I know he plays it at a farily high level, masters KR if I remember correct. His proleague cast with DoA is in fact quite good.
On May 28 2013 17:38 Schelim wrote: well that's a little disappointing. the only caster on that list i like is Apollo.
also, do we know the exact format of this event yet? the OP mentions a group stage, which i honestly hadn't expected.
The original article didn't talk about the details but I believe it will be standard GSL style group into single elimination playoffs since it's a 16 man tournament.
On May 28 2013 17:40 Laryleprakon wrote: I wonder which map pool they will use.
Map pool is as usual, no fancy new ones. Whirlwind, Bel'shir Vestige, Akilon Wastes, Star Station, Neo Planet S, Newkirk Precinct and Daybreak.
On May 28 2013 17:27 Laryleprakon wrote: Really stupid to not use all the english casters in Korea + 1-2 popular ones from elsewhere.
This. 2 of them have nothing to do with GSL, they dont know the players and they have no clue about the meta game in korea (i really like the strategy calling from Artosis). Doa and Monti are more involved, they could do an ok job i guess.
At this point it is quite obvious that Tastosis and Wolfdor are the best casters for all matches including code S koreans. When considering metagame knowledge, Artosis should be a given for the final matches. He makes me think he knows how the game is gonna be played out and why the players build what.
On May 28 2013 17:38 Schelim wrote: well that's a little disappointing. the only caster on that list i like is Apollo.
also, do we know the exact format of this event yet? the OP mentions a group stage, which i honestly hadn't expected.
The original article didn't talk about the details but I believe it will be standard GSL style group into single elimination playoffs since it's a 16 man tournament.
On May 28 2013 17:38 Schelim wrote: well that's a little disappointing. the only caster on that list i like is Apollo.
also, do we know the exact format of this event yet? the OP mentions a group stage, which i honestly hadn't expected.
The original article didn't talk about the details but I believe it will be standard GSL style group into single elimination playoffs since it's a 16 man tournament.
On May 28 2013 17:40 Laryleprakon wrote: I wonder which map pool they will use.
Map pool is as usual, no fancy new ones. Whirlwind, Bel'shir Vestige, Akilon Wastes, Star Station, Neo Planet S, Newkirk Precinct and Daybreak.
GSL dudes will have to practice for the new ones then
On May 28 2013 17:38 Schelim wrote: well that's a little disappointing. the only caster on that list i like is Apollo.
also, do we know the exact format of this event yet? the OP mentions a group stage, which i honestly hadn't expected.
The original article didn't talk about the details but I believe it will be standard GSL style group into single elimination playoffs since it's a 16 man tournament.
On May 28 2013 17:40 Laryleprakon wrote: I wonder which map pool they will use.
Map pool is as usual, no fancy new ones. Whirlwind, Bel'shir Vestige, Akilon Wastes, Star Station, Neo Planet S, Newkirk Precinct and Daybreak.
GSL dudes will have to practice for the new ones then
Erik "DoA" Lonnquist, and Christopher "MonteCristo" Mykles doesn't belong in a SC2 final event. Why the hell don't they have Tasteosis, IdrA or some other top-level caster? The only really solid one is Apollo :/.
On May 28 2013 17:38 Schelim wrote: well that's a little disappointing. the only caster on that list i like is Apollo.
also, do we know the exact format of this event yet? the OP mentions a group stage, which i honestly hadn't expected.
The original article didn't talk about the details but I believe it will be standard GSL style group into single elimination playoffs since it's a 16 man tournament.
On May 28 2013 17:40 Laryleprakon wrote: I wonder which map pool they will use.
Map pool is as usual, no fancy new ones. Whirlwind, Bel'shir Vestige, Akilon Wastes, Star Station, Neo Planet S, Newkirk Precinct and Daybreak.
GSL dudes will have to practice for the new ones then
And re practice Daybreak!
Daybreak is still in GSL map pool.
I guess every game just merges into the hundreds of games I've seen there. Hopefully this is it's finally tournament tho.
I'm kind of surprised that OGN is handling the production for the Season finals. Has this been announced before, and is there a reason for giving it to OGN? I expected GOMtv to do the production for the finals. After all, they're hosting the season this time around...
I really enjoy Monte/DoA, but not having Tastosis seems like a really stupid move.
Luckily they have Day9 and Apollo, so the people who only watch for casters still have two of the most popular ones still at the event. Still, no Tastosis is weird.
its understandable if OGN is going to produce this. They do not want tastosis live at the event since they are the pretty the flagship casters of sc2 and also part of GOM. I just hope we can at least see tastosis in the studio and lets not be evil and give montecristo and doa a chance, its good to have some variety.
Shame about no tastosis but if day9 is going to be casting that he better butter up on the kespa players he always seems so surprised when he casts their games at foreigner tournaments not 'seeming' to know a lot about their sc2 careers.
Wow no Tastosis or Wolfdor, whoever set this up dropped the ball BIG time. Honestly none of these casters are really on the same level as the 2 GSL caster combos for me, really disappointed by this.
I do think DoA and Montecristo are okay and it's good that they get to cast this, too, but not utilizing the four best casters currently in Korea who are very familiar with almost every player there in addition to Doa/Montecristo is a really strange move that seems like it's completely motivated by politics, not reason.
I know Apollo watches a lot of Korean stuff and I'm not very sure about Day[9] but it's almost impossible to have as much knowledge and experience as Wolfdor and Tastosis (or at least Artosis^^) when you're not in Korea yourself.
really really sad no tastosis, i love nothing more watching sc2 then the first 8 minutes of tasteless and artosis banter, however the games will still be amazing im really excited.
Well, whoever decided this is really stupid and has no idea what they are doing lol
Not having Artosis and Tasteless is quite bad mainly because they can draw a pretty damn big crowd I mean look how many people showed up to watch WoT on twitch just FOR Tasteosis. Also, they didn't even choose Wolfdor either which is sad as they are as someone said the 4 best casters in korea
On May 28 2013 17:25 Dodgin wrote: I'm guessing there's some ridiculous political reason for not having any GOM casters there, how stupid.
My thoughts as well, I guess they will cast from GomTV studio with their own video feed just like what OGN is doing with WCS KR S1, imagine Gom's stream beating OGN's numbers on a second-hand video feed lol. Oh wait, OGN has DayPollo.
Well, if they do that then I'd bet that far more people would tune into the GOM stream because OGN is just lol
Wait, since the two other remaining season finals events will be played outside of Korea (Eu and US, namely), that means GOM won't ever have the chance to organize WCS season finals? I guess they feel really robbed about this : (. On the flipside though, they should organize one extra WCS KR season compared to OGN, and maybe they will be involved in the Grand Finals too.
Regarding the casters, I can't say I'm really happy, but I hope I will be pleasantly surprised. A GOM rebroadcast should be fun anyways, so I hope it happens.
On May 28 2013 18:08 Rescawen wrote: its understandable if OGN is going to produce this. They do not want tastosis live at the event since they are the pretty the flagship casters of sc2 and also part of GOM. I just hope we can at least see tastosis in the studio and lets not be evil and give montecristo and doa a chance, its good to have some variety.
Give DoA andf Montechristo a chance sure, but at the Season Finals of all the WCS regionals? Hell no! They should get the best casters available and/or the casters that has cast the regular regional season. Now I like DoA's casting (or atleast I did last time I heard him cast) but for this he's got no place. Montechristo is just no... just no.
On May 28 2013 17:38 Schelim wrote: well that's a little disappointing. the only caster on that list i like is Apollo.
also, do we know the exact format of this event yet? the OP mentions a group stage, which i honestly hadn't expected.
The original article didn't talk about the details but I believe it will be standard GSL style group into single elimination playoffs since it's a 16 man tournament.
16명의 선수들은 각 조 4명씩 4개 조로 배치돼 3전 2선승제 조별 더블 엘리미네이션 방식으로 경기를 진행하며 각 조 1위, 2위를 차지한 선수들이 8강에 진출한다. 8강 이후부터는 5전 3선승제 토너먼트 방식으로 경기를 치르며, 마지막 결승전은 7전 4선승제로 진행한다.
On May 28 2013 18:35 Killmouse wrote: if ogn is handling the kr seas finals instead of gom, i hope dreamhack will handle season final for the EU one
I wouldn't be surprised if next season finals will be held at gamescom (ESL) as it coincides with when Blizzard wants their season finals (24/25 August)
LoL. I am so happy to not have tastosis casting this. I am so damn tired of their "expect gg any second" every single game and discussing their personal life and other things not focusing on the game. So nice there will be Apollo and Day9. They are the best!!!
On May 28 2013 17:38 Schelim wrote: well that's a little disappointing. the only caster on that list i like is Apollo.
also, do we know the exact format of this event yet? the OP mentions a group stage, which i honestly hadn't expected.
The original article didn't talk about the details but I believe it will be standard GSL style group into single elimination playoffs since it's a 16 man tournament.
16명의 선수들은 각 조 4명씩 4개 조로 배치돼 3전 2선승제 조별 더블 엘리미네이션 방식으로 경기를 진행하며 각 조 1위, 2위를 차지한 선수들이 8강에 진출한다. 8강 이후부터는 5전 3선승제 토너먼트 방식으로 경기를 치르며, 마지막 결승전은 7전 4선승제로 진행한다.
It will be GSL style, except Bo5 semi-finals.
I suppose it will be like the GSL RO16: 4 Groups of 4 and the 8 best go to the Quarterfinals...
On May 28 2013 18:35 Killmouse wrote: if ogn is handling the kr seas finals instead of gom, i hope dreamhack will handle season final for the EU one
I wouldn't be surprised if next season finals will be held at gamescom (ESL) as it coincides with when Blizzard wants their season finals (24/25 August)
That'd be pretty terrible imo. Gamescom isn't really a great place to hold a tournament at, never liked the IEMs there that much.
Also, Gamescom is traditionally the first stop of the IEM seasons, so they'd have to change that, too.
Meh.. no offence, but DoA and Montechristo (who?) are pretty underwhelming choice.. DayPollo on the other hand is great pair. Hopefully GOM will have own stream with tastosis, similar to what they plan for Season2.
I guess because OGN only get to produce a single season this year (S2), they've been tasked with the production of the upcoming season finals that are held in Korea. GOM get to produce two seasons this year (S1 + S3).
On May 28 2013 18:35 Killmouse wrote: if ogn is handling the kr seas finals instead of gom, i hope dreamhack will handle season final for the EU one
I wouldn't be surprised if next season finals will be held at gamescom (ESL) as it coincides with when Blizzard wants their season finals (24/25 August)
is it already confirmed that season 2 finals will be in EU, I'd think with Blizzcon Global Finals shortly after Season 3 conclusion, it would make more sense to have season 2 in NA and season 3 in EU, but then I guess it doesnt matter too much.
I'm curious as to if they actually have enough time to go through 4xBo3 Groups on Friday, 4xBo5 Quarter-Finals on Saturday and 2xBo5, 1xBo7 semi-finals/finals on Sunday. Granted, Friday and Saturday will start at 10am, but Sunday starts at 3pm.
EDIT: Thinking about it, it will probably happen in 3 hour blocks.
10am: Group A 1pm: Group B 4pm: Group C 7pm: Group D
Im fine with Apollo and Day9 but I have no idea why they are using DoA and Montecristo over tastosis, Especially on a GOM produced season. Tastosis are definitely the most popular sc2 casters in the world and artosis is also extremely knowledgeable about the game. The choice to not use them just doesn't make any sense to me.
DoA and Montecristo are LoL casters. Good luck to them, I guess - will still be watching and hoping for a good performance by them. Shame there's no kaelaris/bitterdam... The group stage stadium also appears slightly underwhelming. Why is OGN hosting this over GOM? It's clear that GOM is the well-known brand that everyone from around the World is familiar with and happy with. OGN's foreign production has been very poor for the events I have watched.
I didn't quite know what to expect, since this event is organized by Blizzard instead of GOM, but the lack of any GomTV casters will be hurting them. If there is GSL style groups, there are a lot of matches to be cast, so there should be room for 2-4 more casters.
DOA is all right, montecristo is ok and Day[9] and Apollo are quite good, but none match the level of Tastosis of Wolfdor.
I hope more details about the format will be released soon and I hope for a video-feed broadcast by GOM.
On May 28 2013 18:35 Killmouse wrote: if ogn is handling the kr seas finals instead of gom, i hope dreamhack will handle season final for the EU one
I wouldn't be surprised if next season finals will be held at gamescom (ESL) as it coincides with when Blizzard wants their season finals (24/25 August)
On May 28 2013 20:02 Negius wrote: I didn't quite know what to expect, since this event is organized by Blizzard instead of GOM, but the lack of any GomTV casters will be hurting them. If there is GSL style groups, there are a lot of matches to be cast, so there should be room for 2-4 more casters.
DOA is all right, montecristo is ok and Day[9] and Apollo are quite good, but none match the level of Tastosis of Wolfdor.
I hope more details about the format will be released soon and I hope for a video-feed broadcast by GOM.
I think nobody has realised in the OP ou can read the WCS Season 2 KR will be held by OGN by the name of "Starleague". This WCS finals are only warmup for them before broadcast the Season 2. Dont know whats going to happen with GomTV, but I am so happy to not see the tastosis cast and their "expect gg any second...."
There'll be a GOMtv cast as well. It'll be the regular casters casting remotely in the same way that Monte and I have been casting WCS Korea on OGN. (for at least 5 people. Sometimes maybe even 10!) The entire WCS situation has been awkward for all the casters here. Trust me. It's all out of our control though. We're just casters. It's going to be a good weekend of games regardless.
On May 28 2013 17:38 Schelim wrote: well that's a little disappointing. the only caster on that list i like is Apollo.
also, do we know the exact format of this event yet? the OP mentions a group stage, which i honestly hadn't expected.
The original article didn't talk about the details but I believe it will be standard GSL style group into single elimination playoffs since it's a 16 man tournament.
Well I guess we will get the Tastosis vs Day9/Apollo battle to see who gets the viewers, it will be such a weird experience with two sets of casters casting the same three day tournament. Should still be amazing.
On May 28 2013 20:57 Bodzilla wrote: I like DOA, but i just find it strange that OGN is the one producing the WCS GSL finals.... Is GSL going to produce the OSL finals next year???
i just dont get it.
They are producing the WCS season 1 finals (with people from all three regions) nothing to do with the current GSL season.
Tastosis Wolfdor BitterdaM Day9/husky DJ Wheat Apollo/Tod/Kaelaris Totalbiscuit/Idra Nathianas/Lyrlian ( they are pretty good too. There getting better every week ) Catz/EGincontrol Ettc etc etc
On May 28 2013 21:15 govie wrote: Hell, we got so many good casters atm :
Tastosis Wolfdor BitterdaM Day9/husky DJ Wheat Apollo/Tod/Kaelaris Totalbiscuit/Idra Nathianas/Lyrlian ( they are pretty good too. There getting better every week ) Catz/EGincontrol Ettc etc etc
On May 28 2013 20:53 DoA wrote: Before I get lynched any further....
There'll be a GOMtv cast as well. It'll be the regular casters casting remotely in the same way that Monte and I have been casting WCS Korea on OGN. (for at least 5 people. Sometimes maybe even 10!) The entire WCS situation has been awkward for all the casters here. Trust me. It's all out of our control though. We're just casters. It's going to be a good weekend of games regardless.
I really don't understand why Tastosis aren't there. Some clarification would be nice
I don't want to speculate on things here but maybe blizzard/WCS are trying to spread the casting around a bit. None of the NA casters are going, none of the GSL casters are there, only apollo from the EU casting. Perhaps OGN felt a bit left out of things and wanted to get some exposure for their casting team.
Day9 is massively popular and will do a great job as always so I think that is a great decision from Blizzard, maybe they asked him to pick a co commentator and he went with apollo
On May 28 2013 21:21 KelsierSC wrote: I really don't understand why Tastosis aren't there. Some clarification would be nice
I don't want to speculate on things here but maybe blizzard/WCS are trying to spread the casting around a bit. None of the NA casters are going, none of the GSL casters are there, only apollo from the EU casting. Perhaps OGN felt a bit left out of things and wanted to get some exposure for their casting team.
Day9 is massively popular and will do a great job as always so I think that is a great decision from Blizzard, maybe they asked him to pick a co commentator and he went with apollo
It might be that either Tastosis are asking for too much money or they've decided to use this (especially Artosis) as a break to send more time with his family.
On May 28 2013 21:21 KelsierSC wrote: I really don't understand why Tastosis aren't there. Some clarification would be nice
I don't want to speculate on things here but maybe blizzard/WCS are trying to spread the casting around a bit. None of the NA casters are going, none of the GSL casters are there, only apollo from the EU casting. Perhaps OGN felt a bit left out of things and wanted to get some exposure for their casting team.
Day9 is massively popular and will do a great job as always so I think that is a great decision from Blizzard, maybe they asked him to pick a co commentator and he went with apollo
It might be that either Tastosis are asking for too much money or they've decided to use this (especially Artosis) as a break to send more time with his family.
Hmm I don't really think it's right to speculate about money without any kind of statement as it can cause a pretty negative reaction.
There's no reason not to have GOM casters unless it's some kind of political move. Which totally sucks.
I mean Doa/Montechristo are decent but they can never tell me something about the game that I don't know myself. Apollo + Day9 are obviously great but Tastosis should be a given at what's supposed to be the Grand Slam of SC2. The thing is that this is Blizzard's event. They shouldn't even let OGN choose who casts their finals ffs.
-The entire broadcast will be handled by OGN -OGN already have 2 casters(DoA,MonteCristo). -They need 2 more. -They don't want to use any of the GOM casters. -They brought the 2 best casters they could(Apollo,Day 9).
On May 28 2013 21:44 bartus88 wrote: I just hope the places will be packed, since attendance in Korea was never that great for SC2.
I'll gladly tune in to Doa for the commentary, I don't understand why people are so upset. Tastosis are good, but people tend to overrate them.
Artosis has more insight than both of Doa/Montechristo combined. Don't get me wrong, I like their casting as well but they have absolutely nothing on Tastosis.
I think Apollo is on the same analysis level as Artosis lately, he is always making extra accurate calls and explains everything quite clearly. But he ( and the WCS crew) still felt "behind" as far as dealing with downtimes and some void/awkwards moments. WCS EU was full of awkward casting moments ( dunno about AM i didn't see) compared to GSL cast. But that should be gone after the next season i suppose
Anyway i find it weird that the season finals, which are so important, are made with a format that let so few time to prepare from the Ro8 to the finals...
I mean at least Apollo... I guess. DoA is pure mediocrity in my opinion and listening to him (for me personally) doesn't add anything at all. Dunno about MonteC as I rarely turned into the OGN cast.
Day9's casting, especially when paired with a co-caster, just seems so bad now for some reason. I don't think he goes well with anyone anymore and couldn't even bare listening to him on Shoutcraft recently. That's not to say I dislike him, he's one of the greatest members of the Sc2 community and i have much respect. It's just his casting is no longer for me.
If I had to choose 4 casters for this my dream team would be Artosis, Apollo, Wolf and Khaldor.
edit: And yeah it must be some obvious political reasons as to why there's no GOM involvement.
On May 28 2013 17:25 Dodgin wrote: I'm guessing there's some ridiculous political reason for not having any GOM casters there, how stupid.
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I don't want to say this, but it does seem silly for GOM to have handled WCS Season 1 in Korea, and then have the WCS Season 1 finals in Korea without GOM. Is Gom going to host the WCS Season 2 finals that OGN runs then? If not, then something could be up. Obviously we won't know that for a few months either way, but still.
Edit: I saw Doa's post. Good to hear, although I still don't understand why GOM didn't handle Season 1, and OGN handles season 2 finals. Ah well.
The OGN stream seems to often look better than Gom's iirc on some occasions, there's just no advertising for it
damn, day 9 is terrible. Why don't khaldor and wolf get the spot they deserve, besides why flew people in when you have far better casters already there..
On May 28 2013 21:15 govie wrote: Hell, we got so many good casters atm :
Tastosis Wolfdor BitterdaM Day9/husky DJ Wheat Apollo/Tod/Kaelaris Totalbiscuit/Idra Nathianas/Lyrlian ( they are pretty good too. There getting better every week ) Catz/EGincontrol Ettc etc etc
They cant all cast now can they
Bring them all to blizzcon! Lets seem who's best.
Are u proposing a "codecaster S" similiar like castercompitition with Up/downs and everything?
Besides all the political shenanigans going on, its pretty clear once again, that the GOM broadcast will crush the OGN broadcast in terms of viewers.
Whats the point? Fragment your viewership across multiple streams, the so called "main" producer of the event will end up having thousands of less viewers, all because of some petty disagreements between organizations.
On May 28 2013 21:15 govie wrote: Hell, we got so many good casters atm :
Tastosis Wolfdor BitterdaM Day9/husky DJ Wheat Apollo/Tod/Kaelaris Totalbiscuit/Idra Nathianas/Lyrlian ( they are pretty good too. There getting better every week ) Catz/EGincontrol Ettc etc etc
They cant all cast now can they
Bring them all to blizzcon! Lets seem who's best.
Are u proposing a "codecaster S" similiar like castercompitition with Up/downs and everything?
Didn't they have shoutcasting comp at one that TB won or something?? Lets do that again.
On May 28 2013 17:25 Dodgin wrote: I'm guessing there's some ridiculous political reason for not having any GOM casters there, how stupid.
My thoughts as well, I guess they will cast from GomTV studio with their own video feed just like what OGN is doing with WCS KR S1, imagine Gom's stream beating OGN's numbers on a second-hand video feed lol. Oh wait, OGN has DayPollo.
Hopefully GOM will be able to cast like that. That makes me able to dodge this very questionable casting lineup(Apollo is the only caster I like there) and instead get the best casters.
Edit: Ugh I scoured the thread expecting some caster to respond to this and yet was able to miss Doa's post.
On May 28 2013 21:44 bartus88 wrote: I just hope the places will be packed, since attendance in Korea was never that great for SC2.
I'll gladly tune in to Doa for the commentary, I don't understand why people are so upset. Tastosis are good, but people tend to overrate them.
Artosis has more insight than both of Doa/Montechristo combined. Don't get me wrong, I like their casting as well but they have absolutely nothing on Tastosis.
They do, they actually talk about the game instead of random subject x.
On May 28 2013 21:44 bartus88 wrote: I just hope the places will be packed, since attendance in Korea was never that great for SC2.
I'll gladly tune in to Doa for the commentary, I don't understand why people are so upset. Tastosis are good, but people tend to overrate them.
Artosis has more insight than both of Doa/Montechristo combined. Don't get me wrong, I like their casting as well but they have absolutely nothing on Tastosis.
They do, they actually talk about the game instead of random subject x.
Errrrrr... that's nothing but your opinion. And Artosis alone provides more relevant and insightful knowledge than both of them even if he did spend 50% of a game talking about random things. He just knows the game waaaaayyyyy better than them. He knows the metagame in korea, he knows why players do certain things. Both Doa and Montechristo are more play-by-play types imo as neither of them provide the knowledge required to be an analytical caster. And that's not necessarily bad - but at the Grand Slam you should actually have the most insightful and widely accepted casters. I love Doa, I like his casting a lot but Tastosis is Tastosis.
On May 28 2013 20:53 DoA wrote: Before I get lynched any further....
There'll be a GOMtv cast as well. It'll be the regular casters casting remotely in the same way that Monte and I have been casting WCS Korea on OGN. (for at least 5 people. Sometimes maybe even 10!) The entire WCS situation has been awkward for all the casters here. Trust me. It's all out of our control though. We're just casters. It's going to be a good weekend of games regardless.
I don't think anyone is really going after the casters, obviously it's hard on you as well.
I've been one of the 5-10 people on your stream a couple of times, I think you are doing a great job and I will listen to your cast during the grand finals!
On May 28 2013 20:53 DoA wrote: Before I get lynched any further....
There'll be a GOMtv cast as well. It'll be the regular casters casting remotely in the same way that Monte and I have been casting WCS Korea on OGN. (for at least 5 people. Sometimes maybe even 10!) The entire WCS situation has been awkward for all the casters here. Trust me. It's all out of our control though. We're just casters. It's going to be a good weekend of games regardless.
Yeah, its been a bit awkward yeah, I 'd be perfectly fine to watch DOA/Monte and I'll probably do so in the OGN season, but as long as it is a rebroadcast, I'd rather watch at the source, in the actual studio and such.
DoA/Montecristo is actually pretty good, but too bad they have to play hyena over scraps of whatever is left. I feel like this all began with DoA & Proleague. If the drama didn't happen, DoA/Monte could've been given the Proleague casts, and this type of situation wouldn't arise since they don't have to compete to broadcast the same content.
apollo[9] is something I like, would I listen to them over Tastosis? yeah I will but more so because they will actually be at the event rather than at their studio.
On May 28 2013 20:53 DoA wrote: Before I get lynched any further....
There'll be a GOMtv cast as well. It'll be the regular casters casting remotely in the same way that Monte and I have been casting WCS Korea on OGN. (for at least 5 people. Sometimes maybe even 10!) The entire WCS situation has been awkward for all the casters here. Trust me. It's all out of our control though. We're just casters. It's going to be a good weekend of games regardless.
It's not that people dislike you, but Tastosis should be casting the final of the premier SC2 tournament. If the korean companies could actually work together then it would make sens for you to have one of the semifinals, and wolfdor to do some of the quarterfinals, etc.
On May 28 2013 22:46 edgeOut wrote: Told you so, Gom gets a pretty bad deal out of this WCS thing. Doubt any future seasonal finals will be handled by Gom anymore.
I can't blame em though, they want their tournament to be on TV just as much as they want it to be streamed.
ugh group stages and only 3 days, well was expected. Hope Mvps gets an easy group. I really prefer the you have a week to prepare finals, only they can get to legendary levels.
On May 28 2013 22:11 Clefairy wrote: I really hope OGN uses the Tuesday casting crew for the Korean cast!
or you know the starleague casting crew...
i'd rather have the tuesday crew than the starleague casting crew. having kim carrier and um jaekyung together doesn't work well anymore. themarine is much better with mc jun + um jaekyung.
themarine deserves it anyway, he's hands down the best colour commentator for sc2 in korea (lee seung-won doesn't impress me as much as he did in bw)
that being said, with so many games being played each day, don't be surprised if they rotate the plethora of commentators they have.
On May 28 2013 22:11 Clefairy wrote: I really hope OGN uses the Tuesday casting crew for the Korean cast!
or you know the starleague casting crew...
i'd rather have the tuesday crew than the starleague casting crew. having kim carrier and um jaekyung together doesn't work well anymore. themarine is much better with mc jun + um jaekyung.
themarine deserves it anyway, he's hands down the best colour commentator for sc2 in korea (lee seung-won doesn't impress me as much as he did in bw)
Are koreans commentators actually as amazing as they sound when you understand the language? Does the enthusiasm still make sense (not over-the-top for what they're saying)?
On May 28 2013 22:11 Clefairy wrote: I really hope OGN uses the Tuesday casting crew for the Korean cast!
or you know the starleague casting crew...
i'd rather have the tuesday crew than the starleague casting crew. having kim carrier and um jaekyung together doesn't work well anymore. themarine is much better with mc jun + um jaekyung.
themarine deserves it anyway, he's hands down the best colour commentator for sc2 in korea (lee seung-won doesn't impress me as much as he did in bw)
that being said, with so many games being played each day, don't be surprised if they rotate the plethora of commentators they have.
the more you know, but yeah themarine continues to be the most adaptive caster.
hope that is not complete cuz if thats the case its pretty bad, probably gonna listen to korean casters then, besides apollo there are only earbleedingly bad casters on the list...so no
On May 28 2013 23:02 HOUSE_BRAZIL wrote: IMO the premier casters today are : Tasteless, Artosis, Day9 and Apollo. Any combination of these is acceptable. Anything else is not.
Mixing in some Incontrol and/or TB could not hurt. They both are awesome guys and it shows in their eloquent and hilarious casting.
Extremely disappointed at lack of Tastetosis, but Apollo and Day9 are great so it's alright. I like DoA too, but I'm not a particularly big fan of his casting. And IMO the 4th guy doesn't even belong there. I have literally never heard of him before. It's dumb that he's there instead of people like Tastetosis or Wolfdor.
edit: read some of the topic and realized that Gom will also have a broadcast, so I guess everything's okay
On May 28 2013 22:31 aVix wrote: DoA & Montecristo are both really good casters actually; I think people need to be willing to give them a chance.
You know full well it has nothing to do with them being good/bad casters.
They're primarily LoL casters, being brought in as the main casters for a WCS Starcraft event.
Would that sit right with anybody?
And in Season 2 of WCS KR that'll be a masked OSL we'll consider Tastosis primarily World of Tanks casters and complain that they're allowed to cast a Starcraft event. :D
Doa + Montecristo and Apollo are very good casters. I like Day9 less, but he's still solid. I will miss Wolfdor and Tastosis, but hopefully we will see them next season. With so many organizations converging into a single event it should come to no surprise that some popular personalities have been left out.
On May 28 2013 17:38 Schelim wrote: well that's a little disappointing. the only caster on that list i like is Apollo.
also, do we know the exact format of this event yet? the OP mentions a group stage, which i honestly hadn't expected.
The original article didn't talk about the details but I believe it will be standard GSL style group into single elimination playoffs since it's a 16 man tournament.
On May 28 2013 17:40 Laryleprakon wrote: I wonder which map pool they will use.
Map pool is as usual, no fancy new ones. Whirlwind, Bel'shir Vestige, Akilon Wastes, Star Station, Neo Planet S, Newkirk Precinct and Daybreak.
GSL dudes will have to practice for the new ones then
Maybe they could have ladder maps that differ per server, depending on the maps used in WCS.
On May 28 2013 22:31 aVix wrote: DoA & Montecristo are both really good casters actually; I think people need to be willing to give them a chance.
You know full well it has nothing to do with them being good/bad casters.
They're primarily LoL casters, being brought in as the main casters for a WCS Starcraft event.
Would that sit right with anybody?
And in Season 2 of WCS KR that'll be a masked OSL we'll consider Tastosis primarily World of Tanks casters and complain that they're allowed to cast a Starcraft event. :D
Remember that GOM will have their own broadcast of Season 2 just like OGN are broadcasting season 1 - The only differences are its their rules and their map pool people have to agree with not GOM's.
In the end - OGN might actually get more 50 viewers on their broadcast but only when Day9 and Apollo are casting together otherwise people will stick to GOM's broadcast, not exactly a good business move by OGN.
On May 28 2013 22:31 aVix wrote: DoA & Montecristo are both really good casters actually; I think people need to be willing to give them a chance.
You know full well it has nothing to do with them being good/bad casters.
They're primarily LoL casters, being brought in as the main casters for a WCS Starcraft event.
Would that sit right with anybody?
And in Season 2 of WCS KR that'll be a masked OSL we'll consider Tastosis primarily World of Tanks casters and complain that they're allowed to cast a Starcraft event. :D
Remember that GOM will have their own broadcast of Season 2 just like OGN are broadcasting season 1 - The only differences are its their rules and their map pool people have to agree with not GOM's.
In the end - OGN might actually get more 50 viewers on their broadcast but only when Day9 and Apollo are casting together otherwise people will stick to GOM's broadcast, not exactly a good business move by OGN.
I'm not sure OGN really cares about the number of viewers of the stream They care about number of people who will come to the stadium and the audience of their korean TV broadcast
On May 28 2013 21:40 DifuntO wrote: It's very simple.
-The entire broadcast will be handled by OGN -OGN already have 2 casters(DoA,MonteCristo). -They need 2 more. -They don't want to use any of the GOM casters. -They brought the 2 best casters they could(Apollo,Day 9).
On May 28 2013 21:40 DifuntO wrote: It's very simple.
-The entire broadcast will be handled by OGN -OGN already have 2 casters(DoA,MonteCristo). -They need 2 more. -They don't want to use any of the GOM casters. -They brought the 2 best casters they could(Apollo,Day 9).
I don't see why this is weird or surprising.
Yeah. Most likely this.
And im getting tired of artosis
People seem to forget that Doas original intentions were to continue casting sc2 with OGN only to get shafted by the Kespa, OGN situation.
This really doesn't seem weird. This year, OGN gets one less tournament then GOM for the WCS circuit, so they were probably given the season finals, which will probably be held in a different region each season (I don't know why people are asking if GOM will do the season finals for OGN's WCS 2).
I imagine it isn't just OGN that doesn't want the Gom casters, if Gom is going to broadcast the OGN feed as well then they need their casters available to do it. OGN needs more than their current casters so they hired out to arguably the two most popular that aren't committed elsewhere.
I think the OGN casters will do a good job and I'll prefer to watch the casters that are actually at the event than ones that are talking over a feed.
glad doa gets some redemption, he most certainly deserves it. surprised to see apollo and day9 being flown in when you have 3 other casting pairs that could do the job already in korea... not that i'm going to complain, apollo and day9 will bring the ruckus.
the finals are in my 10 days break between finals and summer job, great timing for me!
On May 28 2013 22:46 edgeOut wrote: Told you so, Gom gets a pretty bad deal out of this WCS thing. Doubt any future seasonal finals will be handled by Gom anymore.
Actually this isn't really true at all. OGN is only hosting one of the WCS Korea seasons this year, that being next season. After Season 2 it goes back to GOM for season 3, meaning GOM gets to host an extra WCS Korea season more than OGN. Therefore it makes sense to give OGN hosting rights for the Season Final hosted in Korea to make up for the one less season they get.
On May 29 2013 00:36 Bijan wrote: This really doesn't seem weird. This year, OGN gets one less tournament then GOM for the WCS circuit, so they were probably given the season finals, which will probably be held in a different region each season (I don't know why people are asking if GOM will do the season finals for OGN's WCS 2).
I imagine it isn't just OGN that doesn't want the Gom casters, if Gom is going to broadcast the OGN feed as well then they need their casters available to do it. OGN needs more than their current casters so they hired out to arguably the two most popular that aren't committed elsewhere.
I think the OGN casters will do a good job and I'll prefer to watch the casters that are actually at the event than ones that are talking over a feed.
Yea I believe the way that it works is that each region will host one of the 3 season finals this year. Next year when we have 4 seasons is when it could get weird unless Blizzard plans to add a fourth region of WCS competition.
If it's going to be in the OGN studio, it kind of makes sense that Tastosis wouldn't cast from there, as they won't have their usual coworkers/setup, but I'd still rather hear Artosis cast than pretty much anyone else. Watching them in the studio cast something remotely won't be nearly as fun, but I'll probably prefer it whenever it's not Day9/Apollo.
DoA and Montechristo are very good casters. Together with Apollo and Day9 that makes for a pretty nice lineup. And all of those casters are way more professional than Tasteless. I know they're close friends and so on, but it would be for the greater good for Artosis to break off with Tasteless.
Hm, with all due respect, why do they fly in Day9 and Apollo when they have 4 excellent casters available in Korea? Or did I miss something and they also have a dual production with GOM/OGN for this season final as well?
Casters aside I think this must have been part of the agreement for GOM and OGN to work together. Since GOM is in charge of two of the three regional seasons, OGN got to handle the season finals. Business is busines and OGN wouldn't shaft themselves and give 3/4 events to a competitor.
I don't understand this hate for the Tastosis random banter at the beginning of each game. You do realize that most of the players recycle builds all the time, and if Tastosis were to talk about the game all the time, they will be repeating themselves a lot. Unless the player is doing something interesting or using some new build, I am perfectly fine with the banter. In fact, I welcome it more than them talking about absolutely nothing interesting during the early game.
On May 29 2013 01:09 Kergy wrote: Not even mad, I'll take Doa+Montecristo over Tastosis any day
You and the 100 other people who watch the OSL stream when 10K are watching GOM.
To be fair I think the numbers will be more even when OGN holds the tournament if for no other reason that Doa/Monte will be at the studio where the games are played.
I know I will watch them during "their" season but at this season final the best/most popular casters should be present.
On May 29 2013 01:13 Fus Ro Dah wrote: I don't understand this hate for the Tastosis random banter at the beginning of each game. You do realize that most of the players recycle builds all the time, and if Tastosis were to talk about the game all the time, they will be repeating themselves a lot. Unless the player is doing something interesting or using some new build, I am perfectly fine with the banter. In fact, I welcome it more than them talking about absolutely nothing interesting during the early game.
Yet you don't hear Korean casters do this at all. Wonder why.... There is some sort of random banter but it's all more related to the game, players and setting of it all.
On May 28 2013 17:25 Dodgin wrote: I'm guessing there's some ridiculous political reason for not having any GOM casters there, how stupid.
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How can you have a "GSL" finals without Tastosis??? Why would you fly in casters 10,000+ miles when the you already have pretty much the best 4 sc2 english casters already in Korea??? I wish I had that kind of money to waste
On May 29 2013 01:13 Fus Ro Dah wrote: I don't understand this hate for the Tastosis random banter at the beginning of each game. You do realize that most of the players recycle builds all the time, and if Tastosis were to talk about the game all the time, they will be repeating themselves a lot. Unless the player is doing something interesting or using some new build, I am perfectly fine with the banter. In fact, I welcome it more than them talking about absolutely nothing interesting during the early game.
Yet you don't hear Korean casters do this at all. Wonder why.... There is some sort of random banter but it's all more related to the game, players and setting of it all.
Your argument: Korean casters don't do it, and therefore Tastosis should not as well. Way to go! I personally don't care for the Korean casters since I do not understand a word of Korean.
On May 29 2013 02:06 Luiwtf wrote: Meh, I might watch some stuff with Apollo, otherwise I'll be watching the GOM stream (there is a GOM stream, right?!).
On May 28 2013 17:25 Dodgin wrote: I'm guessing there's some ridiculous political reason for not having any GOM casters there, how stupid.
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How can you have a "GSL" finals without Tastosis??? Why would you fly in casters 10,000+ miles when the you already have pretty much the best 4 sc2 english casters already in Korea??? I wish I had that kind of money to waste
It's not the GSL final. That's later this week on June 1. GSL is now a qualifier for WCS Season 1 finals the week after.
Wooo glad to see day9 casting as he's still tied for best caster along with artosis. If gom's doing a simulcast too, then I'll probably watch that plus day9. I like doa too, but if it comes to a head to head simulcast, I will always choose tastosis.
On May 29 2013 01:13 Fus Ro Dah wrote: I don't understand this hate for the Tastosis random banter at the beginning of each game. You do realize that most of the players recycle builds all the time, and if Tastosis were to talk about the game all the time, they will be repeating themselves a lot. Unless the player is doing something interesting or using some new build, I am perfectly fine with the banter. In fact, I welcome it more than them talking about absolutely nothing interesting during the early game.
I keep hearing this excuse but back when engine was casting themarine tournament in english suddenly there was a lot of stuff to talk about every game during "downtime".
On May 28 2013 17:25 Dodgin wrote: I'm guessing there's some ridiculous political reason for not having any GOM casters there, how stupid.
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How can you have a "GSL" finals without Tastosis??? Why would you fly in casters 10,000+ miles when the you already have pretty much the best 4 sc2 english casters already in Korea??? I wish I had that kind of money to waste
On May 29 2013 02:25 SCST wrote: What on earth? Who the hell do we complain to about this?
WTF Blizzard? Can I blame Blizzard for this? Someone tell me!
Blame OGN. They're using their own casters. I'm not sure why people are surprised by this. Tastosis are not employed by OGN and they're under contract w/ GOM.
All that said, I fail to see the problem. Doa/Montecristo are really good.
On May 28 2013 21:40 DifuntO wrote: It's very simple.
-The entire broadcast will be handled by OGN -OGN already have 2 casters(DoA,MonteCristo). -They need 2 more. -They don't want to use any of the GOM casters. -They brought the 2 best casters they could(Apollo,Day 9).
I don't see why this is weird or surprising.
Yeah. Most likely this.
And im getting tired of artosis
You and about 7 other people on the planet are tired of Artosis/Tasteless. Please man, they are obviously the best casters in the scene for the vast majority of the community. Can't believe/understand why GOM is getting the finger all of the sudden from Blizzard.
P.S. Not saying Day9 and Apollo aren't wonderful, as they are (it's comforting to know that at least they will be there) . . . it's just sad to see Tastosis left out of such an important event due to politics. Thought Blizzard had control over this situation and would know better?
Edit: Apparently Tastosis will be casting the event remotely which satisfies my being disgruntled.
On May 29 2013 02:25 SCST wrote: What on earth? Who the hell do we complain to about this?
WTF Blizzard? Can I blame Blizzard for this? Someone tell me!
Blame OGN. They're using their own casters. I'm not sure why people are surprised by this. Tastosis are not employed by OGN and they're under contract w/ GOM.
Agreed. OGN and GOM hate each other behind the scenes and I don't think that has changed with WCS. The public "partnership" is held together by a delicate piece of equipment called the blizzard muzzle. It's the only thing stopping them from tearing each other apart in public.
Korean competition b/w other companies is just ruthless in korea. Here's a story of LG vs Samsung to give you a glimpse of the korean mentality.
Didn't Artosis say some time ago (around WCS first announcement), that he will not be in Korea starting from the Season 1 end till Season 3, or something along those lines? That would completely explain his absence at the event.
Also no one can deny the fact that this show is being run by OGN, they can do as they please with whom they are going to invite. As I understand, it is a turn around situation that we had in WCS Korea S1, GOM should get a video feed from OGN, and Khaldor and Wolf probably will be there in GOM studio to cast it. It would be nice if they could be allowed a place at the venue, but I doubt its gonna happen as they are not OGN employees.
On May 29 2013 01:13 Fus Ro Dah wrote: I don't understand this hate for the Tastosis random banter at the beginning of each game. You do realize that most of the players recycle builds all the time, and if Tastosis were to talk about the game all the time, they will be repeating themselves a lot. Unless the player is doing something interesting or using some new build, I am perfectly fine with the banter. In fact, I welcome it more than them talking about absolutely nothing interesting during the early game.
Yet you don't hear Korean casters do this at all. Wonder why.... There is some sort of random banter but it's all more related to the game, players and setting of it all.
Your argument: Korean casters don't do it, and therefore Tastosis should not as well. Way to go! I personally don't care for the Korean casters since I do not understand a word of Korean.
On May 29 2013 02:06 Luiwtf wrote: Meh, I might watch some stuff with Apollo, otherwise I'll be watching the GOM stream (there is a GOM stream, right?!).
Yes there will be.
No professional commentators consistently bring out their private life or stupid things such as pokemon issues while discussing the beginning of a match. It's so glaringly unprofessional and retarded. There is a way to talk about non-Starcraft related issues while commentating a Starcraft game, it's called being very subtle, not getting bored of a standard early game and after a long silence be like "Tasteless asks me a question".
Have you any idea how many money they make for the amount of work they do, or the amount of people who wished they could be in their shoes (professionaly) ? If you had this in mind, you would be much more critical, and rightfully so.
No Tastosis is weirding me out. Doesn't really make sense to me at all. This is supposed to be the Season 1 Global Finals, right? Why not have the best possible casters there?
On May 28 2013 21:40 DifuntO wrote: It's very simple.
-The entire broadcast will be handled by OGN -OGN already have 2 casters(DoA,MonteCristo). -They need 2 more. -They don't want to use any of the GOM casters. -They brought the 2 best casters they could(Apollo,Day 9).
I don't see why this is weird or surprising.
Yeah. Most likely this.
And im getting tired of artosis
You and about 7 other people on the planet are tired of Artosis/Tasteless. Please man, they are obviously the best casters in the scene for the vast majority of the community. Can't believe/understand why GOM is getting the finger all of the sudden from Blizzard.
P.S. Not saying Day9 and Apollo aren't wonderful, as they are (it's comforting to know that at least they will be there) . . . it's just sad to see Tastosis left out of such an important event due to politics. Thought Blizzard had control over this situation and would know better?
Because GOM got to host two WCS tournaments (WCS KR Seasons 1 and 3) this year, whereas OGN only has time to squeeze in 1 (WCS KR Season 2). The solution? Give OGN the fourth WCS tournament to be played out in Korea this year. Seriously, whether you like OGN or not, this is the most fair solution available and the solution most likely to make sure no one is (too) unhappy.
Doa and Montecristo are actually good, but they've not been given the spotlight yet. It'll be really cool to see them cast a big tournament, despite the fact that I might've liked some other casters more. At the very least give them a chance before crying - Doa was a SC2 caster before he was shafted by the whole KeSPA-OGN thing.
On May 29 2013 01:13 Fus Ro Dah wrote: I don't understand this hate for the Tastosis random banter at the beginning of each game. You do realize that most of the players recycle builds all the time, and if Tastosis were to talk about the game all the time, they will be repeating themselves a lot. Unless the player is doing something interesting or using some new build, I am perfectly fine with the banter. In fact, I welcome it more than them talking about absolutely nothing interesting during the early game.
Yet you don't hear Korean casters do this at all. Wonder why.... There is some sort of random banter but it's all more related to the game, players and setting of it all.
Your argument: Korean casters don't do it, and therefore Tastosis should not as well. Way to go! I personally don't care for the Korean casters since I do not understand a word of Korean.
On May 29 2013 02:06 Luiwtf wrote: Meh, I might watch some stuff with Apollo, otherwise I'll be watching the GOM stream (there is a GOM stream, right?!).
Yes there will be.
No professional commentators consistently bring out their private life or stupid things such as pokemon issues while discussing the beginning of a match. It's so glaringly unprofessional and retarded. There is a way to talk about non-Starcraft related issues while commentating a Starcraft game, it's called being very subtle, not getting bored of a standard early game and after a long silence be like "Tasteless asks me a question".
Have you any idea how many money they make for the amount of work they do, or the amount of people who wished they could be in their shoes (professionaly) ? If you had this in mind, you would be much more critical, and rightfully so.
grow a sense of humor. you're not even german, i don't know why you don't have one.
why do people watch starcraft? because it is entertainment. what happens when entertainment isn't entertaining? people get bored, and maybe even stop watching. why are there casters? to guide the less experienced viewers and to entertain all the viewers. of course, strategy discussion etc can and should be seen as one kind of 'entertainment' that is appropriate for an sc2 broadcast, but it is only one kind, and not the only one. chill out bro. if your job is to be an entertainer it's not "unprofessional" to be entertaining.
if you don't personally like Tastosis' humor/personalities, that's absolutely fine. but i don't get why you have to take a source of entertainment so unbelievably seriously. i'm sorry for singling you out btw, this is something that has been bothering me for a while now.
On May 29 2013 01:13 Fus Ro Dah wrote: I don't understand this hate for the Tastosis random banter at the beginning of each game. You do realize that most of the players recycle builds all the time, and if Tastosis were to talk about the game all the time, they will be repeating themselves a lot. Unless the player is doing something interesting or using some new build, I am perfectly fine with the banter. In fact, I welcome it more than them talking about absolutely nothing interesting during the early game.
Yet you don't hear Korean casters do this at all. Wonder why.... There is some sort of random banter but it's all more related to the game, players and setting of it all.
Your argument: Korean casters don't do it, and therefore Tastosis should not as well. Way to go! I personally don't care for the Korean casters since I do not understand a word of Korean.
On May 29 2013 02:06 Luiwtf wrote: Meh, I might watch some stuff with Apollo, otherwise I'll be watching the GOM stream (there is a GOM stream, right?!).
Yes there will be.
No professional commentators consistently bring out their private life or stupid things such as pokemon issues while discussing the beginning of a match. It's so glaringly unprofessional and retarded. There is a way to talk about non-Starcraft related issues while commentating a Starcraft game, it's called being very subtle, not getting bored of a standard early game and after a long silence be like "Tasteless asks me a question".
Have you any idea how many money they make for the amount of work they do, or the amount of people who wished they could be in their shoes (professionaly) ? If you had this in mind, you would be much more critical, and rightfully so.
I am being critical, and I have absolutely no qualms about the lighthearted banter. Please do not assume that by being critical means I necessarily have to criticize them in the way you personally think they should be. Have you conveniently forgotten the top-notch commentary they provide after the initial banter? Why bash on them for just having a little fun? Do you have any idea how much viewership Tastosis draw from just simply being there? They are more than earning their keep.
On May 28 2013 17:25 Dodgin wrote: I'm guessing there's some ridiculous political reason for not having any GOM casters there, how stupid.
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How can you have a "GSL" finals without Tastosis??? Why would you fly in casters 10,000+ miles when the you already have pretty much the best 4 sc2 english casters already in Korea??? I wish I had that kind of money to waste
It's not the GSL final. That's later this week on June 1. GSL is now a qualifier for WCS Season 1 finals the week after.
Oh! Wow duly noted. I need to improve my reading comprehension.
Anyways, Day9 and Apollo should be more than capable of putting up a fine cast I'd say. (It'll be good to see Doa casting again too <3)
On May 28 2013 17:25 Dodgin wrote: I'm guessing there's some ridiculous political reason for not having any GOM casters there, how stupid.
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How can you have a "GSL" finals without Tastosis??? Why would you fly in casters 10,000+ miles when the you already have pretty much the best 4 sc2 english casters already in Korea??? I wish I had that kind of money to waste
It's not the GSL final. That's later this week on June 1. GSL is now a qualifier for WCS Season 1 finals the week after.
Oh! Wow duly noted. I need to improve my reading comprehension.
Anyways, Day9 and Apollo should be more than capable of putting up a fine cast I'd say. (It'll be good to see Doa casting again too <3)
Some clarifications :
The WCS KR Season 1 Code S final will be casted by Tastosis and host by GOM (1st June - Ax Hall)
The WCS Global Season 1 final (with EU/NA/KR) will be casted by Doa, MonteCristo, Day9, Apollo and host by OGN (9th June - Jamsil Students' Indoor Gymnasium) (and with Tastosis remotely cast)
So depending on the feed Gom gets from OGN it will either end in people watching the Gom cast or OGN getting alot of flame and less viewers.Also insert a tanks joke here :/
On May 29 2013 03:51 Xacez wrote: Hold the phone here, the event is 7-9 June? But the OGN Champions third place game is on June 7th, how will that scheduling work?
Maybe they'll give SC2 an edge over LoL this time?
Regardless, this could be pretty fun. Make them all cast the same bo3 (replays obviously) and then have a vote for who casted the best. Take out bottom half each time or maybe use an actual bracket.
Winner gets ego boost
then again not sure who would have the time to watch the exact same bo3 8 times in a row
On May 29 2013 03:51 Xacez wrote: Hold the phone here, the event is 7-9 June? But the OGN Champions third place game is on June 7th, how will that scheduling work?
Maybe they'll give SC2 an edge over LoL this time?
They already have. I remember a few weeks back the LoL broadcast was delayed ~40-50 minutes because SC2 went overtime.
On May 29 2013 04:32 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: Who is montecristo? An earlier post mentioned that he's a LoL caster...has he done any sc2 stuff before?
He is the regular SC2 caster for OGN, alongside Doa. The duo casts both LoL and Starcraft, but from what I've seen of them they handle themselves very well on stream - with a little more analysis than Tastosis on Gom's stream
On May 29 2013 04:32 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: Who is montecristo? An earlier post mentioned that he's a LoL caster...has he done any sc2 stuff before?
He is the regular SC2 caster for OGN, alongside Doa. The duo casts both LoL and Starcraft, but from what I've seen of them they handle themselves very well on stream - with a little more analysis than Tastosis on Gom's stream
It's not like it's hard to have more analysis than tastosis, these days >_>
On May 29 2013 03:51 Xacez wrote: Hold the phone here, the event is 7-9 June? But the OGN Champions third place game is on June 7th, how will that scheduling work?
Maybe they'll give SC2 an edge over LoL this time?
They already have. I remember a few weeks back the LoL broadcast was delayed ~40-50 minutes because SC2 went overtime.
They pushed Proleague for days because of the allstar event.. That's more of an edge.
Anyway, an other thing they can do is have Khaldor and Wolf cast the first day or the Ro8! I love em, and Tastosis can take the deeper rounds.
Kind of sad that the map pool is such shit, if WCS continues to use the same maps for the rest of the year I'm going to get bored fast. The only reason why I seem to enjoy PL is that they update their map pools every ~2 rounds, GSL has some decent maps but they mostly adhere to ladder maps.
On May 28 2013 17:25 Dodgin wrote: I'm guessing there's some ridiculous political reason for not having any GOM casters there, how stupid.
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Yeah and why will there be not there cause the GSL cast by OSL is just worse then the cast with the GOM guys! Edit: Maybe we just need some more information..... -.-
DoA & Montecristo ? I know I will be ban for this but this is an insult to real casters seriously. They have 200 viewers when GSL casters cast, they don't know the game they cast LoL mainly, even Proleague casters are better. NASL casters can't cast anything because of WCS and then this.
This is the Global Season not a random OGN tournament who doesn't care about foreign stream. There are suppose to bring the best casters or at least decent one.
The final will be a disaster like WCS final in China. WCS Europe have been awesome, GSL have been awesome, but this final will be terrible to watch at least for the match without Day9 or Apollo.
On May 29 2013 06:15 Chloroplaste wrote: DoA & Montecristo ? I know I will be ban for this but this is an insult to real casters seriously. They have 200 viewers when GSL casters cast, they don't know the game they cast LoL mainly, even Proleague casters are better. NASL casters can't cast anything because of WCS and then this.
This is the Global Season not a random OGN tournament who doesn't care about foreign stream. There are suppose to bring the best casters or at least decent one.
The final will be a disaster like WCS final in China. WCS Europe have been awesome, GSL have been awesome, but this final will be terrible to watch at least for the match without Day9 or Apollo.
Uh what...? DoA casted IPL with Kevin Knocke. The only reason why its been LoL lately is because there is no OSL.
I myself is excited, Day9 and Apollo makes it up for it imo. Should be a great event.
On May 28 2013 17:28 Initiative wrote: no tastosis and montechristo is a LoL caster... what is going on?
Montecristo also plays SC2 and as far as I know he plays it at a farily high level, masters KR if I remember correct. His proleague cast with DoA is in fact quite good.
This. When SPL started, DoA and Monte casted together and I loved it. They have amazing chemistry and click a little better than SNM and Whiplash in my opinion. I was a little upset that they weren't continued for the rest of Proleague and it'll be awesome to seem them back in action.
On May 29 2013 06:15 Chloroplaste wrote: DoA & Montecristo ? I know I will be ban for this but this is an insult to real casters seriously. They have 200 viewers when GSL casters cast, they don't know the game they cast LoL mainly, even Proleague casters are better. NASL casters can't cast anything because of WCS and then this.
This is the Global Season not a random OGN tournament who doesn't care about foreign stream. There are suppose to bring the best casters or at least decent one.
The final will be a disaster like WCS final in China. WCS Europe have been awesome, GSL have been awesome, but this final will be terrible to watch at least for the match without Day9 or Apollo.
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this post is complete bullshit. They know the game enough to make a professional and entertaining commentary. If they are LoL casters, then I guess Tastosis have to be considered WoT casters.
Why is it controversial that Tasteosis are not casting besides the alternate feed? This is the arrangement we all knew about. Gom will cast the season finals for season 2 after OGN does Korea. It alternates.
Dang 16th player will be Korean now for sure Was kinda dreaming Blizzard might throw us a bone and give Scarlett a pity invite as #16 player just to have a single NA guy. Shucks.
On May 29 2013 09:16 DeathProfessor wrote: Dang 16th player will be Korean now for sure Was kinda dreaming Blizzard might throw us a bone and give Scarlett a pity invite as #16 player just to have a single NA guy. Shucks.
On May 29 2013 09:16 DeathProfessor wrote: Dang 16th player will be Korean now for sure Was kinda dreaming Blizzard might throw us a bone and give Scarlett a pity invite as #16 player just to have a single NA guy. Shucks.
On May 28 2013 17:28 Initiative wrote: no tastosis and montechristo is a LoL caster... what is going on?
Montecristo also plays SC2 and as far as I know he plays it at a farily high level, masters KR if I remember correct. His proleague cast with DoA is in fact quite good.
Wait wait what? Doa and Monte cast PL? I'd take them any day over SNMLash!
On May 28 2013 17:28 Initiative wrote: no tastosis and montechristo is a LoL caster... what is going on?
Montecristo also plays SC2 and as far as I know he plays it at a farily high level, masters KR if I remember correct. His proleague cast with DoA is in fact quite good.
Wait wait what? Doa and Monte cast PL? I'd take them any day over SNMLash!
On May 28 2013 17:28 Initiative wrote: no tastosis and montechristo is a LoL caster... what is going on?
Montecristo also plays SC2 and as far as I know he plays it at a farily high level, masters KR if I remember correct. His proleague cast with DoA is in fact quite good.
Wait wait what? Doa and Monte cast PL? I'd take them any day over SNMLash!
On May 29 2013 03:51 Xacez wrote: Hold the phone here, the event is 7-9 June? But the OGN Champions third place game is on June 7th, how will that scheduling work?
dont get me wrong i LIKE doa and i think montecrhisto isnt bad BUT day9 apollo tastless artosis would be the best in the world and so far, we only get 2nd class now
On May 29 2013 03:51 Xacez wrote: Hold the phone here, the event is 7-9 June? But the OGN Champions third place game is on June 7th, how will that scheduling work?
You can purchase a subscription (4,99$) which allows you to access the twitch VODS so there wont be free ones, at it seems. But I guess the price is acceptable for this kind of quality of gameplay.
On May 28 2013 17:27 Laryleprakon wrote: Really stupid to not use all the english casters in Korea + 1-2 popular ones from elsewhere.
I hope they promote this well and get Blizzard's help to get a nice crowd for the final day.
It has been shown, though, that the caster line up does not really impact viewership as long as it is a certain "tier" of caster present. Cheer up, mate, at least it won't be the proleague casters!
So WCS this weekend and they announce it only now? No promotion whatsoever? Please, TL creates more hype around any finals than blizzard does about their global finals.
You can purchase a subscription (4,99$) which allows you to access the twitch VODS so there wont be free ones, at it seems. But I guess the price is acceptable for this kind of quality of gameplay.
tnx! will be done, its much more attractive then the 15$ at gomtv.
and in the same matter, about the next WCS Korea season, anyway i can subscribe to OSL for cheaper price then the 20$ at gomtv? tnx!
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