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On May 16 2013 23:00 shivver wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 12:29 Havik_ wrote:OMGLOLWTFBBQ :p  I have a hard time believing this. Couldn't he study and at least play part time? He used to play 3 hours a day before he got big. If I were him, I'd at least try to make both work before giving up completely. that'd require being less of a drama queen  Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 22:27 AmericanUmlaut wrote:On May 16 2013 12:21 ElmOaid wrote:
He made more money in sc2 that what he can make with an education... interesting decision. You mean to say he has made more money per month while at his prime than he could earn on average per month with an education. I've been working with a college degree for about six years now and I've earned more money than Stephano has in his entire SC2 career. Unless you think he's going to be pulling down top-tier tournament wins into his 40s, stopping while he's on top is a very intelligent move. so in 6 years working full-time you've managed to accumulate more than stephano has made in give or take basically a years worth playing, and not playing very hard either. It's not like he's a 8-12 hours a day korean cyborg practicing monster. He does play a considerable amount, but he is at a 6 times better ratio than you and he has travelled all over the world and has the funds to go anywhere he wants at probably any time. I'd take the gaming career, you act like sc2 is going anywhere but up.
Uh, gaming isn't a viable lifelong career. It doesn't last long enough to sustain you for your entire life, and it isn't conducive to settling down/raising a family/etc etc.
It's not like he's making millions either. Stephano needs to think about his long-term future, and that involves getting some sort of training/education for a 20+ year career specialization.If he keeps playing Sc2, the time will eventually come when he isn't good enough/popular enough/wants to start a family/gets bored or whatever and then he's basically going to need to find a job. While he may be making pretty good money right now, he's not making enough that he could just not work for years at a time afterward. He'd need to get another job within a few years excluding any education/training costs.
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you can like or dislike stephano but thats a pretty smart decision.
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On May 16 2013 02:23 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 09:15 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 14 2013 20:42 Grumbels wrote:On May 14 2013 20:23 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 14 2013 20:08 onewaystyx wrote:On May 14 2013 19:54 revel8 wrote:On May 14 2013 19:26 onewaystyx wrote:
I find it obnoxious to say that he is the best foreigner in sc2 history when he isnt by miles. Success isnt measured in money, but much more in accomplishments.
In that regard jinro is the best foreigner in sc2 history and for me always will be since his lvl of play at that time still hasnt been matched to the day today by any foreigner. Right behind him is idra who just gets mocked by so many people despite him being a living legend and then thered be naniwa with 2 gsl code s ro8 back to back.
Stephano was honestly terrible vs koreans as he proved in his gsl run and winning foreign tournaments means nothing. Stephano is rated so highly BECAUSE of his wins against Koreans. If you want to pretend winning foreign tournaments means nothing, then you should not expect to be taken seriously. people that consider stephano being better than jinro should not be taken seriously. 2 ro4 finishes back to back. Nobody besides him has ever even made it to the ro4. He even beat mc on scrap station using mech. Havent seen that happen even once after him. So stop being a little stephano fan boy and give the actualy foreign legends recognition. Jinro competed well in an undeveloped metagame. Most of the opponents he faced and beat were not even in the next GSL after his last Ro4 finish. Pretty much all of his opponents that he faced in those two Ro4 finishes are retired or are practically nothing in the scene except for MarineKing and MC. Stephano on the other hand competed in a vastly developed metagame where the bad players of early SC2 were weeded out only leaving the best of the best. Although he doesn't have Ro4 finishes, I'd honestly consider a Ro16 performance in the current GSL much more impressive than a Ro4 showing in the earlier GSLs. That's no disrespect to the champions of the era like MVP, MC, and NesTea--those were really the only three actually good players of the era as they are only ones of that era that are even still competing. Guys like FruitDealer and Tester were good for the era but in terms of long-term skill they lacked it. To give you a good idea of how undeveloped the meta was at the time, FruitDealer won the first ever GSL basically off of pure cheese and all-ins. Even his "macro" games were "cheesy" where he took massive risks by overproducing drones to gain an advantage. He relied on trickery rather than actual mechanics and skill. You don't know what you're talking about. Taeja, Polt, Maru, Losira, Byun, Genius, Zenio, San, Leenock, Jjakji, Sound, Inca, sC, Vines, Golden, Squirtle, Gumiho, Alive are just some of the people that were playing in the GSL open seasons in 2010. edit: extending this to the first two GSL seasons of 2011, in which Jinro had a Ro4 and a Ro16, we get some more players: Killer, Ace, Top, Line, YuGiOh, MMA, Coca, Noblesse, Curious, Alicia, Losira, Supernova, Ganzi, Revival, and this is not counting players like Nada, Boxer, July. But were they top players at the time as they are now? (2010 to early 2011) They weren't. Stephano was actually playing SC2 around this time as well yet nobody knew him. I only named those three because not only were they competing back then and now, but also they were the best of their era. All those players you listed are indeed competing now but they were nowhere near the best during the early part of SC2. MVP, NesTea, and MC have been around the top or considered top players since that time AND now. I literally picked GSL participants, do you really want to argue that those players weren't any good back then?
They were good but at that time they weren't as good as MVP, NesTea, and MC. BitByBitPrime was more known at the time than those players you mentioned. And he was complete shit. No argument about that one. BoxeR, NaDa, FruitDealer, Tester (Trickster), etc. were all better than those players at the time and they all barely lasted a year in the scene. The competition at the time was quite literally a farce. Only during the Summer of 2011 did the rest of the players finally catch up to the three. Hell, one can argue the competition was still a farce until the KeSPA players came in. KeSPA has literally made the competition rise up a shit ton of notches. If I were to name the Top 20 players, more than half of them would be from KeSPA to be honest.
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Took all de money and walk away like a BAWS!
GL HF cutting ppl Stephano. Lucky for them you have good micro
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Good for him he's going back to school and fulfilling his dream.
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On May 17 2013 12:21 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 02:23 Grumbels wrote:On May 15 2013 09:15 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 14 2013 20:42 Grumbels wrote:On May 14 2013 20:23 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 14 2013 20:08 onewaystyx wrote:On May 14 2013 19:54 revel8 wrote:On May 14 2013 19:26 onewaystyx wrote:
I find it obnoxious to say that he is the best foreigner in sc2 history when he isnt by miles. Success isnt measured in money, but much more in accomplishments.
In that regard jinro is the best foreigner in sc2 history and for me always will be since his lvl of play at that time still hasnt been matched to the day today by any foreigner. Right behind him is idra who just gets mocked by so many people despite him being a living legend and then thered be naniwa with 2 gsl code s ro8 back to back.
Stephano was honestly terrible vs koreans as he proved in his gsl run and winning foreign tournaments means nothing. Stephano is rated so highly BECAUSE of his wins against Koreans. If you want to pretend winning foreign tournaments means nothing, then you should not expect to be taken seriously. people that consider stephano being better than jinro should not be taken seriously. 2 ro4 finishes back to back. Nobody besides him has ever even made it to the ro4. He even beat mc on scrap station using mech. Havent seen that happen even once after him. So stop being a little stephano fan boy and give the actualy foreign legends recognition. Jinro competed well in an undeveloped metagame. Most of the opponents he faced and beat were not even in the next GSL after his last Ro4 finish. Pretty much all of his opponents that he faced in those two Ro4 finishes are retired or are practically nothing in the scene except for MarineKing and MC. Stephano on the other hand competed in a vastly developed metagame where the bad players of early SC2 were weeded out only leaving the best of the best. Although he doesn't have Ro4 finishes, I'd honestly consider a Ro16 performance in the current GSL much more impressive than a Ro4 showing in the earlier GSLs. That's no disrespect to the champions of the era like MVP, MC, and NesTea--those were really the only three actually good players of the era as they are only ones of that era that are even still competing. Guys like FruitDealer and Tester were good for the era but in terms of long-term skill they lacked it. To give you a good idea of how undeveloped the meta was at the time, FruitDealer won the first ever GSL basically off of pure cheese and all-ins. Even his "macro" games were "cheesy" where he took massive risks by overproducing drones to gain an advantage. He relied on trickery rather than actual mechanics and skill. You don't know what you're talking about. Taeja, Polt, Maru, Losira, Byun, Genius, Zenio, San, Leenock, Jjakji, Sound, Inca, sC, Vines, Golden, Squirtle, Gumiho, Alive are just some of the people that were playing in the GSL open seasons in 2010. edit: extending this to the first two GSL seasons of 2011, in which Jinro had a Ro4 and a Ro16, we get some more players: Killer, Ace, Top, Line, YuGiOh, MMA, Coca, Noblesse, Curious, Alicia, Losira, Supernova, Ganzi, Revival, and this is not counting players like Nada, Boxer, July. But were they top players at the time as they are now? (2010 to early 2011) They weren't. Stephano was actually playing SC2 around this time as well yet nobody knew him. I only named those three because not only were they competing back then and now, but also they were the best of their era. All those players you listed are indeed competing now but they were nowhere near the best during the early part of SC2. MVP, NesTea, and MC have been around the top or considered top players since that time AND now. I literally picked GSL participants, do you really want to argue that those players weren't any good back then? They were good but at that time they weren't as good as MVP, NesTea, and MC. BitByBitPrime was more known at the time than those players you mentioned. And he was complete shit. No argument about that one. BoxeR, NaDa, FruitDealer, Tester (Trickster), etc. were all better than those players at the time and they all barely lasted a year in the scene. The competition at the time was quite literally a farce. Only during the Summer of 2011 did the rest of the players finally catch up to the three. Hell, one can argue the competition was still a farce until the KeSPA players came in. KeSPA has literally made the competition rise up a shit ton of notches. If I were to name the Top 20 players, more than half of them would be from KeSPA to be honest.
Get perspective. BitbyBit was more known than those other guys because he all-inned by pulling SCV's nearly every game, eliminating some of the more popular players at the time with it. In fact, when you see Innovation pull his SCV's to blast through another Protoss with a 200/200 bio ball, the root of that strategy was from BitbyBit.
I don't think you can call competition a "farce" because it isn't as developed as today, that doesn't make any sense. Fruitdealer won by trickery; so what? That means he was incredibly smart, not that the play level sucked back then. TBH if I took you back in time and had you play any of those players the other guy named they would mop the floor with you 100 times in a row. Those players didn't last not because of their lack of skills but for various personal reasons.
PS. Stephano<Nani<HuK<Jinro is my order of foreigners, mainly based on how far they made into Code S. Stephano had the opportunity and momentum to really make an impact and he failed, I don't think it's fair to compare him to guys who went through the Ro64 Open seasons where every loss meant you had to re-qualify up to a stupid round like Ro16, or guys who stayed in Code S for many seasons(huk/nani).
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I am going to really miss him, he is has been my favourite player since I started watching starcraft. Amazing gameplay and personality
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He's faking.. Any Progamer with such amount of succes, can stay out of this wonderful scene and this wonderful game.
I give Stephano 1 year, to return.
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It's too bad we won't get to see him complete one full year of this new WCS
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Good call. Wonder what EG will do next? Hunt down more Koreans to the team?
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I think it's good Stephano is retiring while he's so far ahead financially. It's always depressing when a pro gamer retires after a long period of poor performance, and presumably burning through most of their previous prize money and having not much to show for all their time and effort.
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On May 18 2013 04:39 Province wrote:
I think it's good Stephano is retiring while he's so far ahead financially. It's always depressing when a pro gamer retires after a long period of poor performance, and presumably burning through most of their previous prize money and having not much to show for all their time and effort.
people such as yourself pretend pro-gamers like stephano only live off tournament money . when infact stephano's salary is more than tournament money....
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so how much do you think stephano won with his salary +tournaments winning im going for 350k $.
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On May 18 2013 03:16 Detri wrote:
EGJReccoRC
o.o why would they pick him over basically any other foreign zerg in any of the WCS brackets or even Shoutcraft?_?
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On May 18 2013 06:20 GTPGlitch wrote:o.o why would they pick him over basically any other foreign zerg in any of the WCS brackets or even Shoutcraft?_?
have you actually seen him play? go check some VoDs. He is probably the best value pickup (outside of dima) who is a free agent right now
#1 he's talented
#2 he's young (16 I think)
#3 he's a free agent
#4 he's British/Scottish w/e (incredibly biased )
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On May 18 2013 09:50 Detri wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:20 GTPGlitch wrote:On May 18 2013 03:16 Detri wrote:
EGJReccoRC o.o why would they pick him over basically any other foreign zerg in any of the WCS brackets or even Shoutcraft?_? have you actually seen him play? go check some VoDs. He is probably the best value pickup (outside of dima) who is a free agent right now #1 he's talented #2 he's young (16 I think) #3 he's a free agent #4 he's British/Scottish w/e (incredibly biased )
No one agrees on #1.
Everyone calls him a patchzerg and I don't even include my opinion here. Check pro gamers' twitter accounts.
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On May 18 2013 09:50 Detri wrote:
He is probably the best value pickup (outside of dima) who is a free agent right now
That's really just not true. Overstatement?
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