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On May 12 2013 02:06 Snusmumriken wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. Ehm incontrol is definately an asset to EG. One of the most awesome guys in the scene in my opinion. Him, qxc, grubby and a few others are really nice people for the most part (my impression). Some are not as great personalitywise but are decent/good and a few have pretty shitty attitudes but are great at the game. Idra isnt really in either of these categories imo so I guess that makes him special in some sense 
Sorry, but did you even read what i wrote? I know he is an asset, maybe even as the "American face of EG", if you get what im saying - a loveable person, who is good for the community and the growth of eSports. But a pro Starcraft 2 player? Nah, not anymore - give him some other titel, some new responsibilities, that's all im saying. It's kinda a human ressource question, should Incontrol really spend a lot of time practicing, when he clearly can't get to a level where he can compete internationally? I believe he could make more impact, doing other stuff.
It's like the whole scene is blind. Or maybe im too hard - make some national (amateur?) tournament's, where guys like Incontrol, Machine and so on can compete against newcommers, without the real (Read between the lines - KOREAN) competition. Practising for MLG and so on just seems like a waste of time.
Again, sorry if i offended anyone, i speak my mind.
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On May 12 2013 02:31 crazyweasel wrote:
It's a sponsor thing, EG wanted to keep him, he's been part of the "fam" for a long time now, there was no such thing as EG being tired of him. It was just a thing of sponsors. they asked EG to fire him or they would go. that's it. there nothing like celebs can do w/e they want as long as they win. Its been a long time since Idra had not win a single match, yet they kept him this long. One thing about sponsoring is that they pay for some content, that is directly related to them be cause that content wouldn't be on air without the money they put in (best example of this are RADIO stations). Sponsors didn't want to be linked with Idra's big mouths, regardless of whether it is really an offense of anything (nobody gives a shit about his bad mouthing, its actually very entertaining). As long as sponsors will be the main source of financial support to E-sports, E-sport won't be free ; the sponsored people will have to maintain a line of idea that the sponsor endorses whether its good or bad.
Would you please stop talking like these things are facts? Because from what I see, that is all opinion based.
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I'm curious to see how IdrA navigates the whole finding a new team idea. As EG is widely considered the premier team, joining another team would have to clearly been considered a step down, and a loss, and acknowledgment that his BM hurt him. Can IdrA handle that ? I could see having individual sponsors, but signing with what he considers a "lesser" team ? We'll see...
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On May 12 2013 02:36 Sjokola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. One of the reasons he commentates so well is because he plays at a decent level himself. For which the team provides the opportunity.
Wow, i did not know that -.- That's just logic dude. You can be a really good commentator, without being paid for playing. Look at let's say Artosis.
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This isn't LoL or CoD. Starcraft teams, the community, sponsors, and tournaments expect a certain level of decency out of the players and I don't think anyone should find that unreasonable. If he keeps playing starcraft we shouldn't see his stream disappear completely because it was a source of income for him and he won't lose any viewers from this.
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On May 12 2013 02:38 normannlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 02:36 Sjokola wrote:On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. One of the reasons he commentates so well is because he plays at a decent level himself. For which the team provides the opportunity. Wow, i did not know that -.- That's just logic dude. You can be a really good commentator, without being paid for playing. Look at let's say Artosis.
Artosis is also incredibly good and has a personal sponsorship...
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On May 12 2013 02:38 normannlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 02:36 Sjokola wrote:On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. One of the reasons he commentates so well is because he plays at a decent level himself. For which the team provides the opportunity. Wow, i did not know that -.- That's just logic dude. You can be a really good commentator, without being paid for playing. Look at let's say Artosis.
Artosis plays a lot of ladder while commentating yes? I find both Artosis and InControl to be my favourite streams (along with Grubby). They provide commentary feedback on their play, and they are just all awesome. I really want InControl to keep playing in every regard possible.
Also f.ex Tod who keeps playing, I atleast value his commentary analysis a lot more then say some random commentary guy who may just be guessing. We need people who keeps playing and commentating.
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On May 12 2013 02:37 Gatored wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 02:31 crazyweasel wrote:
It's a sponsor thing, EG wanted to keep him, he's been part of the "fam" for a long time now, there was no such thing as EG being tired of him. It was just a thing of sponsors. they asked EG to fire him or they would go. that's it. there nothing like celebs can do w/e they want as long as they win. Its been a long time since Idra had not win a single match, yet they kept him this long. One thing about sponsoring is that they pay for some content, that is directly related to them be cause that content wouldn't be on air without the money they put in (best example of this are RADIO stations). Sponsors didn't want to be linked with Idra's big mouths, regardless of whether it is really an offense of anything (nobody gives a shit about his bad mouthing, its actually very entertaining). As long as sponsors will be the main source of financial support to E-sports, E-sport won't be free ; the sponsored people will have to maintain a line of idea that the sponsor endorses whether its good or bad. Would you please stop talking like these things are facts? Because from what I see, that is all opinion based.
I am actually quite sure that this is what incontrol said happened, not just some random person's opinions.
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Calling it now -
EG will resign him in a month or two. He's streaming right now a game he supposedly hates. He's still getting paid by EG just not under the EG tag. He's basically a contract worker right now for EG where Idra still gets paid, but EG gets to make their sponsors happy in the short term. They will redo his contract that has explicit behavioral clauses in it and the EG.Idra show gets picked up for a second season.
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On May 12 2013 02:52 hagrin wrote:
Calling it now -
EG will resign him in a month or two. He's streaming right now a game he supposedly hates. He's still getting paid by EG just not under the EG tag. He's basically a contract worker right now for EG where Idra still gets paid, but EG gets to make their sponsors happy in the short term. They will redo his contract that has explicit behavioral clauses in it and the EG.Idra show gets picked up for a second season.
Good outcome if it happens
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IdrA streaming right now says he'll talk about what happens next with JP in 4-5 hours
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idra's streaming but he's no longer featured on TL =\
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Seems like a bad decision - something personal. Idra made money for them how can you let him go?
I'm no fan of idra think he's petulant, a whiner and abuses ppl but I am a fan of money more. Bad choice.
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On May 12 2013 01:35 Chessz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 00:31 hastur420 wrote:On May 12 2013 00:05 Chessz wrote:On May 11 2013 23:26 Capped wrote:On May 11 2013 23:23 sabas123 wrote:On May 11 2013 22:24 Reborn8u wrote:
I think a lot of people forget something in all of this, and that's the amount of people that act much worse than greg. Earlier that very day I remember Demuslim saying on his stream "Idra's stream is nuts, the stream chat is just a massive troll fest, I've never seen anything like it" While Idra does have a bad temper, and does draw a lot of negative attention, it also needs to be taken into consideration that he has literally been harassed by 100's of people daily for years now.
The situation certainly feeds off itself and it is a vicious cycle, but I don't give a fuck who you are, that shit will wear you down. How many times a day do you think he reads some horrible things someone says about him and does not respond? So he has moments of weakness, so he is human, and sometimes loses his patience and speaks in anger. SO WHAT? I respect Idra for being honest, for being who he is, and putting so much of his time and his life out there for all of us to see. Are we not entertained? Is esports better or worse without a villain?
I'd bet a lot of the people talking shit about greg in this thread would snap in mere days if they received 1/2 the level of harassment Greg does. He is a bigger person than most of you, and not one damn person here hasn't got pissed off and said something they shouldn't have, many times.
Edit, I don't take any issue with EG, they as an organization have the right to decide who is on their team, they have a right to decide that a player is not presenting the image they want to portray. It's volume and long term barrage of personal attacks people make against Idra that bugs me. i 100% agree Except you dont see the other, oh i dont know, millions of celebrities across the world snapping like a twig every day. Those that do are often out of a job in seconds or become laughing stocks. Idra is not the only pro-gamer, or well known identity to get served shit every day, he's far from it. They all do. By your logic every well known personality who has been given shit is allowed to verbally rape people on a daily basis. Note: Idra is a celebrity in the SC2 world, its a fair comparison Uh, except you do see celebrities snap. Sorry to use American examples but, Christian Bale, Chevy Chase, Charlie Sheen, Alec Baldwin, Mel gibson, etc.. Chris Brown physically beat his woman and is still popular. And mostly these examples are over some petty things. Sure they sometimes end up "out of a job" but really what takes a hit is just the brand/recognition their name carries. so I think this is kind of off-base. Maybe not "every day" they snap, but certainly they do. How many times has a celebrity reacted poorly to the papparrazi or destroyed their cameras or something? Imagine the twitch chat being like the worst kind of papparrazzi, extremely scrutinizing and watching your every move. And in addition to that, we're an openly extremely rude group, shouting insults and the dumbest kind of interactions constantly 2 reasons this is a terrible comparison to celebrities. for one, a streamer has the means to ignore everyone who tries to harass him online. it's even more easy to ignore chat and skype is possible too. it's nothing like real life harassment. it's annoying but NOTHING like that other reason, those celebrities actually produce quality content, some of them even produce unbelievable art pieces. how the fuck does that compare to grack fields? and btw he could still earn thousands of dollars just off ad venue, because fanboys will give him the stream numbers. i remember Catz used to make like 5k per month off twitch tw and his numbers are nowhere near grack's. you people should stop pretending a treagedy happened. players get fired for less, and much faster too, not after 3 years, and Grack still has the ways to earn loads of money with a joke job. Yea I don't think it's the best comparison, I was more refuting the Sri Lankan guy who said celebrities don't snap. and secondly, your definition of quality content is subjective. I'm just saying, it probably wasn't as glamorous a position as the haters make it out to be. I agree with his firing and I know he'll do just fine in the esports world. It says a lot about you that you would call it a "joke job." Anything you do that reliably pays you money is a job.
by joke job i was refering to him playing a video game, streaming it and pocket huge sums because ad venue works this way. to me this is a joke job. probably to a lot of other people too, not that i care about those but it's certainly not just my own little theory. the people at nasl/ipl/gomtv etc make tremendous visual, audio content. they are probably well educated graphic designers, audio engineers. the cameramen, etc all work their asses off. all the staff have serious things to do, this is not to argue about.
the casters? they probably have the easiest job on the planet. also they probably like to be in the center of attention, i guess it's kind of a necessity there. i have no idea what other things they do that tries to qualify as a job, but to me, simply having a "sc2 caster" on your card is getting closer to the joke category. also when they complain about their job i have to laugh.
players i don't know about. maybe they have a strict schedule that requires to commit as much as a real job requires. still, try to write "i played a video game 4 years" on your resume and try to apply for a real job and see if it helps you or not. but there isn't enough of these people for this to be a sociological problem in the world i guess. still the group of "pro gamers" is kind of an isolated pocket in the society everywhere outside of korea. they have contracts, but what they do, how they do it, and how it effects their lives, how other people react to their job emotionally- these things are so different from every other job that is decent according to society's understanding. but i wasn't even refering to this when i said joke job.
joke job is when a palyer like destiny or idra attracts for some strange reason has a huge following, sets up a stream and earns thousand of dollars with this unreliable method that doesn't really lead anywhere, but momentarily is pretty damn awesome financially. i'm not going to start arguing whether they deserve it or not, but on the other hand all the whine is annoying about poor Grack, who has the means to earn big money for playing around a few hours per day effortlessly like a 12 year old and meanwhile talk all the shit he wants, and we have guys like who feel it's prepostreous that i call it a joke job. a lot of people study infinitely harder and more and work infinitely harder and more to earn half of grack's ad venues when he streams 3 days per week for 4 hour and you guys whine here like a sea of baby lambs. it always puzzles me how people can't separate the important things from the unimportant.
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On May 12 2013 02:55 Iodem wrote:
idra's streaming but he's no longer featured on TL =\
I believe his ban prevents him from being listed.
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On May 12 2013 02:55 Iodem wrote:
idra's streaming but he's no longer featured on TL =\
He is banned from tl
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On May 12 2013 02:52 hagrin wrote:
Calling it now -
EG will resign him in a month or two. He's streaming right now a game he supposedly hates. He's still getting paid by EG just not under the EG tag. He's basically a contract worker right now for EG where Idra still gets paid, but EG gets to make their sponsors happy in the short term. They will redo his contract that has explicit behavioral clauses in it and the EG.Idra show gets picked up for a second season.
Good thinking.
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After having had some time to reflect on this and then reading peoples' reactions, I'm left asking myself, 'what's the big deal?'.
After all, EG is still around and Idra is still around. Though Idra is out of a job, there are plenty of ways to generate revenue for a popular guy like him. If you were an Idra fan before, you're still an Idra fan afterwards. You can still enjoy having Idra call you an idiot, now just without EG. Are the 2 letters before his name so potent? If you liked his honest brutality, you'll get even more brutality now that he is no longer under the corporate yoke of EG. Seems to me that this would be a positive thing for fans. I think his fans are taking this harder than he is. We'll get Idra's own reaction soon enough. I don't see this as some great tragedy, just that EG & Idra are no longer associated.
Idra has said before he doesn't enjoy the game, he has little regard for the community, even less for his opponents. This considered, why does he even bother? Why doesn't he pursue something he actually enjoys, like cooking? If it's about money, surely there are less aggravating ways to earn it. I mean, he's saved up some money and has a large supply of fans. Now would be a great time to switch directions and quit while he's ahead.
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On May 12 2013 02:49 crappen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 02:38 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 02:36 Sjokola wrote:On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. One of the reasons he commentates so well is because he plays at a decent level himself. For which the team provides the opportunity. Wow, i did not know that -.- That's just logic dude. You can be a really good commentator, without being paid for playing. Look at let's say Artosis. Artosis plays a lot of ladder while commentating yes? I find both Artosis and InControl to be my favourite streams (along with Grubby). They provide commentary feedback on their play, and they are just all awesome. I really want InControl to keep playing in every regard possible. Also f.ex Tod who keeps playing, I atleast value his commentary analysis a lot more then say some random commentary guy who may just be guessing. We need people who keeps playing and commentating.
Wow, i forgot how hard it can be to explain anything on forums..
I totally get what you're saying, because im also like that, i hate commentators, who doesn't know their starcraft (Two years of Code S with Artosis and Tasteless really ruined me for all others lol).
But for me there is a clear difference between a pro player, who trains all day long to win tournament's and people like Incontrol and Artosis. Yes they are great players, yes it's nice when you watch and they are commentating, but the fact is that they could do that at home. Yeah it's a lot easier, if you have a team house and gets paid - but isn't he like a glorified streamer then? Would you even stream, if you where serious about winning anything? People can see what you're working on all the time.
--> Do the streams and do something else the rest of the time. Like Artosis, who plays in his free time, not the other way around.
This is getting out of hand. I just thought is was a good idea to (finally) get rid of Idra. And maybe think about a career/titel change (Inside of EG) for people like Incontrol - Who are we kidding, he is not gonna win any big tournament anytime soon.
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