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As somebody that's been lurking since back to BW, I just find it very difficult to justify Gregs release. Having seen it first hand, I know that the fanbase did it's part in "branding" him. - And his brand has been in steady command over the years, more than most for sure. It just feels wrong to reward a guy for playing the role we asked him to play, and then turn around and punish him.
I would feel a lot better about all of this if EG showed us they took a solid effort at re-branding him, and provided him with the tools to adjust in whatever way they needed (yes, including health care, mental health care, counseling, etc.). Especially if people are really dedicated to the whole "we gotta be professional about things", thing.
Anyway, it's pretty obvious Idra should keep being our monkey - Oops, I mean, it's obvious Greg should stick around, with a new team or without. He doesn't have to go out on top, but he should definitely go out on his own terms.
Anybody know what the word is on his reaction or rumors of what he will do? I know a lot of us would like to hear that he doesn't seem too fazed.
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On May 11 2013 10:29 Pikaqiu wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UGVdomw.png)
So he is really going to play World of Tanks!.
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YoYo, peace to Idra, much love & respect!
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On May 11 2013 10:29 Pikaqiu wrote:
Lets start the conspiracy here.
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i think this was very dumb of EG, nobody cares if idras bm, everybody who loves him still loves him and everybody who hates him hates him a little more, i really dont understand why kick him out for something as dumb has this, well i feel this is a very big loss for EG, or maybe hi wasn't performing the way they wanted and took this opportunity to kick him out who nose
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I hope this isn't a bannable comment, but I feel like this was LONGGG overdue.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 11 2013 10:27 baeracaed wrote:
As somebody that's been lurking since back to BW, I just find it very difficult to justify Gregs release. Having seen it first hand, I know that the fanbase did it's part in "branding" him. - And his brand has been in steady command over the years, more than most for sure. It just feels wrong to reward a guy for playing the role we asked him to play, and then turn around and punish him.
I would feel a lot better about all of this if EG showed us they took a solid effort at re-branding him, and provided him with the tools to adjust in whatever way they needed (yes, including health care, mental health care, counseling, etc.). Especially if people are really dedicated to the whole "we gotta be professional about things", thing.
Anyway, it's pretty obvious Idra should keep being our monkey - Oops, I mean, it's obvious Greg should stick around, with a new team or without. He doesn't have to go out on top, but he should definitely go out on his own terms.
Anybody know what the word is on his reaction or rumors of what he will do? I know a lot of us would like to hear that he doesn't seem too fazed.
I see your point, but it's fairly clear that branding isn't the issue here. EG got Idra "as is" when he joined the team. Like you said, the guy hasn't changed his behavior since the beginning of his career. They took what they were given and clearly did the best that they could with him while still maintaining the integrity of the team. That doesn't mean that there were never boundaries or rules for Greg to follow. It just means that for 3 years Idra managed to stay "in bounds" so-to-speak. Sure, they marketed him as a "badass nerd", but they also hired a Therapist for him and gave him multiple fines when he started to spiral out of control. Also, it's a false premise to assume that to be branded as "badass nerd" you also have to insult your fans, your opponents and your team.
The recent comments and slander against his viewership and Evil Genius's / Alex Garfield simply crossed the line for the company, as hey most likely realized that Idra was never going to change and that he had become a liability for the sponsors.
And though many people might perceive him as a "monkey", very few in the community would outwardly express that and any other negativity towards Idra on a personal level. Most of us just rooted for him and occasionally bought shit. Basically, the people he told to "fuck off" are the people that quietly supported him and that he never had any contact with whatsoever.
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On May 11 2013 10:33 LingBlingMuta wrote:Lets start the conspiracy here. + Show Spoiler +
Lol no. Alliance.Idra. :D
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On May 11 2013 10:33 LingBlingMuta wrote:Lets start the conspiracy here. + Show Spoiler +
Looks at Idra's profile, Looks at Liquids profile, Decides this to be the most unlikely thing EVAR.
I say:
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SKIdra
SK is gonna collect each race's biggest badass
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On May 10 2013 21:05 Punti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 20:17 RyF wrote:
If Idra starts streaming again his viewer count will be higher than any Sc2 player ever had before.
Idra will prolly smile and think: "Only bad news are good news."
So much attention for a player who did not show any decent results for a long time. His self marketing is just incredible... The first few times he streams from now on definitely. But if he wants to make a living out of it he has to stream on a regular, daily basis and I doubt that he can keep this numbers up. I think he made enough money to finance himself a good university education und get some regular pocket money through streaming, be it Starcraft or any other game. In my opinion it would be the smartest thing to do. Nothing beats a good education nowadays.
Almost everything beats a good education now
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On May 11 2013 10:27 baeracaed wrote:
As somebody that's been lurking since back to BW, I just find it very difficult to justify Gregs release. Having seen it first hand, I know that the fanbase did it's part in "branding" him. - And his brand has been in steady command over the years, more than most for sure. It just feels wrong to reward a guy for playing the role we asked him to play, and then turn around and punish him.
I would feel a lot better about all of this if EG showed us they took a solid effort at re-branding him, and provided him with the tools to adjust in whatever way they needed (yes, including health care, mental health care, counseling, etc.). Especially if people are really dedicated to the whole "we gotta be professional about things", thing.
Anyway, it's pretty obvious Idra should keep being our monkey - Oops, I mean, it's obvious Greg should stick around, with a new team or without. He doesn't have to go out on top, but he should definitely go out on his own terms.
Anybody know what the word is on his reaction or rumors of what he will do? I know a lot of us would like to hear that he doesn't seem too fazed.
IdrA is the one responsible for his own brand and identity. It's true for any 'celebrity' or public figure. IdrA opted to play the bad guy, the 'controversial' one, in order to expand his viewership. He was good at it.
It's a fast and cheap way to gain notoriety, but also a dead end. Look at 'celebrities' like Charlie Sheen, Bill Hicks, Sam Kinison, Ann Coulter — you pay a price for choosing to be famous for pissing people off.
IdrA went from being the top foreign player to becoming a player that's more famous for being an asshole than anything else. That's not on us, that's on him.
I really do hope he bounces back, and finds a way to focus his energy on playing great again.
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Three thoughts here.
1) Why would classy teams like SKT and TeamLiquid take a chance with Idra? If anything, Idra will go the Naniwa path and join some startup team looking to make a high publicity splash.
2) I am actually surprised that someone who is out to be a professional Starcraft player would make the comments Idra has made. Surely Greg must recognize that good relationships with fans, with teams, and with gaming organizations like GSL and KeSpa are essential to success nowadays. Winning alone is not enough, and communicating well and handling oneself professionally is part of succeeding.
3) I'm amazed that Idra's release has inspired 185+ pages in 24 hours. That's a great signal that he's a popular and polarizing character. Definitely worth the risk, but not for a competitive, established team.
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On May 11 2013 09:29 UmbraaeternuS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 09:10 Shikyo wrote:On May 11 2013 09:06 UmbraaeternuS wrote:
Meh.
Even though teams have a public image to maintain, I still think honesty is the best policy.
Greg has been brutally honest every single time. He does not sugar coat anything.
I appreciate that honesty. It's something not a lot of people have.
I don't really care if Greg is out of EG. I will still cheer on him and still follow his games and support him no matter what team he is in, because he's one of the few non hypocrytical and straightforward players currently on the scene.
It's not honestly. It's negative "honesty". Never positive "honesty". How is that any better than just positive "honesty"? I don't think morality is an issue in regards of honesty. How the fuck can honesty be bad? I don't really give a flying fuck if people like the things I say. If I wanna state something, I will. Greg does the exact same thing. Some people don't like it. Some do. I value honesty more than being liked in the grounds of what I say. Political correctness is overrated. Morality is overrated. One can understand the boundaries on it in regards to the bussiness that eSports is becoming now. But I value honesty more than anything else. An honest person will be honest every single time, and that is more valuable than morality, at least on my eyes. If some people don't like it, it's fine. I respect your view on things, but I really don't share it.
Don't you get it?
If Idra says that "this opponent was bad" he's ... being honest if he's bad. If the opponent isn't bad, is idra being honest?
If idra says "I lost because my opponent rolled the dice like an idiot and happened to win" and the reality is that the enemy expected Idra's build and countered it, is it him being honest?
If Idra says "I lost because terran is OP" but he in reality lost because of his opponent outplaying him, was he being honest?
He's only being honest about negative things that happen to be true. If the opponent deserves praises if he was to be honest, he won't be honest in that case. Hence he's only honest about negative things, and not honest about positive ones. My question is, how is this any better than being honest about opponent playing well, and being unhonest about opponent being bad and instead complimenting them even if they might not deserve it?
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Man I keep clicking on this hoping/expecting to see some new comment or tidbit about what IdrA is doing next, lol. The wait is killing me. Glad he's staying in the scene, though.
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On May 11 2013 10:35 nmetasch wrote:
I hope this isn't a bannable comment, but I feel like this was LONGGG overdue.
It actually isn't a bannable comment . . . but the irony is that saying "I hope this isn't a bannable comment" is actually bannable. Lol.
*popcorn*
P.S. Edit your post quick before a mod sees it! =)
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haha the haters gonna be so mad at this one, EG is still gonna help manage and pay his rent for the next year.
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On May 11 2013 10:50 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 09:29 UmbraaeternuS wrote:On May 11 2013 09:10 Shikyo wrote:On May 11 2013 09:06 UmbraaeternuS wrote:
Meh.
Even though teams have a public image to maintain, I still think honesty is the best policy.
Greg has been brutally honest every single time. He does not sugar coat anything.
I appreciate that honesty. It's something not a lot of people have.
I don't really care if Greg is out of EG. I will still cheer on him and still follow his games and support him no matter what team he is in, because he's one of the few non hypocrytical and straightforward players currently on the scene.
It's not honestly. It's negative "honesty". Never positive "honesty". How is that any better than just positive "honesty"? I don't think morality is an issue in regards of honesty. How the fuck can honesty be bad? I don't really give a flying fuck if people like the things I say. If I wanna state something, I will. Greg does the exact same thing. Some people don't like it. Some do. I value honesty more than being liked in the grounds of what I say. Political correctness is overrated. Morality is overrated. One can understand the boundaries on it in regards to the bussiness that eSports is becoming now. But I value honesty more than anything else. An honest person will be honest every single time, and that is more valuable than morality, at least on my eyes. If some people don't like it, it's fine. I respect your view on things, but I really don't share it. Don't you get it? If Idra says that "this opponent was bad" he's ... being honest if he's bad. If the opponent isn't bad, is idra being honest? If idra says "I lost because my opponent rolled the dice like an idiot and happened to win" and the reality is that the enemy expected Idra's build and countered it, is it him being honest? If Idra says "I lost because terran is OP" but he in reality lost because of his opponent outplaying him, was he being honest? He's only being honest about negative things that happen to be true. If the opponent deserves praises if he was to be honest, he won't be honest in that case. Hence he's only honest about negative things, and not honest about positive ones. My question is, how is this any better than being honest about opponent playing well, and being unhonest about opponent being bad and instead complimenting them even if they might not deserve it?
The reason it gets confusing is because IdrA is so delusional, he actually believes those things SOO much, that hes being "honest" in that sense.. And all his fans who watch his stream begin to believe it too; they really honestly believe in their hearts its impossible for any Protoss or Terran to switch to zerg and even make a GSL, because zerg is that much superior in their minds. Its comical, but thats how cults are.
So. I dunno. I think its good to see him kicked off a team, hopefully out of esports completely until he has a major attitude adjustment. It reminds me of people like Terrel Owens or Randy Moss, but without the "legendary/HOF" skill - lets be honest.
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