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Well, EG just lost this fan, that's all I can say.
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On May 10 2013 19:10 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:56 Jayson X wrote:
You know what rubbed me the wrong way is how high incontrol held idra up in the air. So yeah I get he's your friend but that's exactly why I don't follow SC2 anymore when we value "characters" so much higher than they actually are. He posts a negative comment on reddit or twitter and people go insane? That's because he's an attention whore.
I'm tired of this soap opera for the small minded in this community. The phrase "I'm kind of a big deal on the internet" comes to mind. Noone really cares once life goes on.That's why the community is so fast jumping from one thing to another. Give this another week and no one cares that Idra got thrown out of EG. He commentated or played well? There's a mass of other players and commentators to step in that are much more willing to not shit on the community and their employers.
So yeah Incontrol he might be your friend. But your friend is kind of a fuck up. A little real world wouldn't hurt that guy.
The vocal loyals together with witch-hunters and drama-bees overstate the numbers of people interested in what a guy like IdrA said about something. His name makes news for the force of his BW feats and his unmistakable BM. It's only a soap opera for the people that feed off it. That's an aside to society not to the player that prompts it. It's the plurality (or majority) of a reddit-like following that sustains these self-righteous calls of "Look at all that undeserved attention!" How about talking about the silent majority of chuckling viewers that say, "Oh, IdrA" after his antics as they would a child of some famous actor. InControl does his thing for his teammate and its frankly fine and dandy. Nothing here points to a misplaced value in "characters." From the minority that goes insane, you miss the majority that laugh and click the next link.
Well I guess you're right with the majority. Still listening to Incontrols reaction to Slashers comment I can't help but shake my head at the beast the SC2 public figures and still a good portion of the community themselves created. In the end what's left is a mediocre ex-broodwar player who made a name from himself by having a run before the dust settled (as was to be expected) only to fall off the grid back to where he was in BW (as was to be expected as well).
Then again when I think about it it's all fair and square. The foreign SC2 scene wrote it's own history much like the BW scene did with the likes of Boxer, Yellow and Reach and we rooted for them even though we knew they just couldn't keep up anymore. That combined with the exposure players get through streaming and social media nowadays, it's probably fair to say that IdrA is a strong part of SC2 history.
But was it the right way? There's certainly room for all types of characters but I'd like to think that Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and even sAviOr gave us and the game more than just "a laugh and a click on next".
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The only thing stopping Idra from prospering is his own attitude. It hasn't changed since the BW days, and while in the beginning of WoL he could rely a lot on good fundamental mechanics from practicing hardcore BW on a professional korean team, that is no longer the case and he will never prosper in SC2 until he changes his mentality. I really doubt that'll happen though, especially since it's pretty clear that he doesn't enjoy SC2 even remotely as much as BW. His attitude was still a limiting factor in BW, but at least he seemed to have a love for the game that drove him.
If Idra does keep playing SC2 professionally for a team, I don't expect we'll see much more from him than the regular BM and throwing games for no apparent reason, though I would love to be proven wrong. Idra obviously has the potential to be a top player if he could just get over his mental hurdles, and frankly, grow up and stop blaming everything but his own play.
I don't understand how people can call someone who blames everything but himself for his losses honest and straight-forward. Just because he is deluding himself doesn't mean you have to buy into it. If Idra does stay around I hope it won't be just to keep getting paid while continuing his same old routine.
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Idra made this situation all by himself. EG probably had a somewhat tough decision, but from the comments, they tried to help him and they didn't get anywhere.
I have made comments in the past asking what EG were doing, but from SirScoot's tweet and other comments about things done to help him, it seems like they couldn't do enough, and in the end it wasn't worth the hassle.
It's going to be tough to think of a team who would want to pick up a massive liability who can't be relied on from a teamplay perspective, can't be relied on to commit himself to playing to his best and trying to win, and who can't be relied on to act sensibly.
At the end of the day, Idra is just completely unreliable in every aspect that you would want in a player. The only thing you can rely on at the moment is that he will have a bad attitude, and that's not exactly a good thing.
I would say good luck to Idra in finding a new team, but honestly, he needs a lot lot lot more than luck.
I will wholeheartedly congratulate EG for doing the right thing, even though they were probably torn over what the community might think, but at the end of the day, EG and Idra was not working. At all. EG as a competitive team can't really lose out from this decision, and Idra can't exactly fall much further than he already has (he's pretty much at rock bottom, face it), the only unknown is EG's business/corporate interests and how they will be impacted, but it wouldn't surprise me if the number of people who think more hgihly of EG for doing this vastly outweighs the number of Idra fanboys who will rage at EG for doing this.
At the end of the day, it's the best thing EG could do for themselves and for Idra, considering they already seem to have put in effort to try and "fix" Idra.
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On May 11 2013 09:33 RoboSnail wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 09:31 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 09:19 RoboSnail wrote:On May 11 2013 09:09 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 09:02 RoboSnail wrote:On May 11 2013 08:58 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 08:41 mycro wrote:On May 11 2013 08:30 layabout wrote:On May 11 2013 08:27 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 08:25 layabout wrote:
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This "stockholm syndrome" joke is neither funny nor well founded.
Idra's recent form has nothing to do with the fact that he has gained fans throughout his career and those continuing to support him are actual fans.
The number of people taking so much delight in this has made me truly ashamed to be a part of this community. It's one thing to dislike a player or condemn their actions, but it's another to go out of your way to shit on someone and anyone that has supported him because he got fired. Yes, causa Idra really didn't shit on anyone. If you dislike him for acting like that you have no excuse for acting like that yourself particularly when you yourself are the one condemning such behavior. Why are you doing the mature routine in a community where the average age is what.. 15-16? If that... So telling people to let a childish behavior like Idra's slide is the mature thing now? Nobody is burning him alive and nobody is saying anything even remotely as bad as Idra has said to other people (like wishing that they died of cancer because they won games against him). If you really believe that nobody on here has been a completely insensitive twat towards idra in this thread, then you seriously need to learn to read. The point is, he had it coming by being the same towards the community. No actually the orginal point that was being made is this community has been just as toxic towards him as he has been towards them. Yet the community sits on it's high horse and preaches maturity, professionalism and manners. So how is that against what I'm saying? Doesn't it matter to you who initiates conflicts? You are a douchebag towards people, many will be douchebags towards you in return, it's as simple as that. Maturity, professionalism and manners should be mutual, ever wondered why these things actually hold truth for the very same community when it comes to players like White-Ra? Its not, but it is double standards.
Double standards? So the normal would be for Idra, as a professional, to have the right of shitting on everyone while the community responds in a polite fashion? You simply ignore the fact that the attacked party is more justified to respond in the same manner than the first party is to initiate it. I don't see how being treated the way you treat others is a double standard to you, it's quite the opposite.
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On May 11 2013 08:50 Shana wrote:Show nested quote +
How does someone training with the CJ team get tricked by a dumb chinese zerg player who isn't clever and simply hopes? I mean seriously LOL he mind fucked you and you still can't even realize it after the fact. Ignorance isn't bliss. Ignorance will keep you in the CJ team B-house and off TV for another year until you finally realize it's time to pack your bags and get the fuck out.
All I'm asking of you, Idra, is to show some respect. Show some respect to the community, your team, the opponent that just raped you, and most importantly yourself by just frankly admitting to the fact that he outplayed you in the series and raped you straight up. No one is judging you saying F91 >>> you. F91 certainly was >>>> you that day and it was not due to luck. It was because he raped you. No one gives a fuck whos better between you and F91. You both fucking blow as far as anyone is concerned so don't worry about that.
Rekrul said this 3 years ago, and yet you still haven't learned anything.
Funny that in the same thread EG Suppy (Superior Wolf) said this
"IdrA will never learn. He will come to this thread posting some an angry rant of a frustrated player. I seriously think he might have some psychological problems."
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You can't get star treatment if you don't post results. Idra wasn't producing so EG doesn't want to put up with his childlike behavior anymore. Pretty simple.
I can't think of many jobs where you can act like Idra did and keep your job. I don't really like the guy as a player, but I hope he goes back to school and does something.
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On May 11 2013 09:55 Lokerek wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 08:50 Shana wrote:
How does someone training with the CJ team get tricked by a dumb chinese zerg player who isn't clever and simply hopes? I mean seriously LOL he mind fucked you and you still can't even realize it after the fact. Ignorance isn't bliss. Ignorance will keep you in the CJ team B-house and off TV for another year until you finally realize it's time to pack your bags and get the fuck out.
All I'm asking of you, Idra, is to show some respect. Show some respect to the community, your team, the opponent that just raped you, and most importantly yourself by just frankly admitting to the fact that he outplayed you in the series and raped you straight up. No one is judging you saying F91 >>> you. F91 certainly was >>>> you that day and it was not due to luck. It was because he raped you. No one gives a fuck whos better between you and F91. You both fucking blow as far as anyone is concerned so don't worry about that.
Rekrul said this 3 years ago, and yet you still haven't learned anything. Funny that in the same thread EG Suppy (Superior Wolf) said this "IdrA will never learn. He will come to this thread posting some an angry rant of a frustrated player. I seriously think he might have some psychological problems."
What with Suppy's obvious dislike, DeMuslim no longer being on friendly terms as evidenced by his withdrawal from ItG and Stephano calling him a dick when helping out NASL recently its no surprise Alex felt the hassle was not worth it anymore
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On May 11 2013 09:53 Lonyo wrote:
Idra made this situation all by himself. EG probably had a somewhat tough decision, but from the comments, they tried to help him and they didn't get anywhere.
I have made comments in the past asking what EG were doing, but from SirScoot's tweet and other comments about things done to help him, it seems like they couldn't do enough, and in the end it wasn't worth the hassle.
It's going to be tough to think of a team who would want to pick up a massive liability who can't be relied on from a teamplay perspective, can't be relied on to commit himself to playing to his best and trying to win, and who can't be relied on to act sensibly.
At the end of the day, Idra is just completely unreliable in every aspect that you would want in a player. The only thing you can rely on at the moment is that he will have a bad attitude, and that's not exactly a good thing.
I would say good luck to Idra in finding a new team, but honestly, he needs a lot lot lot more than luck.
I will wholeheartedly congratulate EG for doing the right thing, even though they were probably torn over what the community might think, but at the end of the day, EG and Idra was not working. At all. EG as a competitive team can't really lose out from this decision, and Idra can't exactly fall much further than he already has (he's pretty much at rock bottom, face it), the only unknown is EG's business/corporate interests and how they will be impacted, but it wouldn't surprise me if the number of people who think more hgihly of EG for doing this vastly outweighs the number of Idra fanboys who will rage at EG for doing this.
At the end of the day, it's the best thing EG could do for themselves and for Idra, considering they already seem to have put in effort to try and "fix" Idra.
Holy troll batman. you talk as if you were part of the decision, and only weigh cons. As you say to establish your credibility, congrats you have made comments in the past and have read tweets by sir Scoots. I belive you are the first person to comment ever. So much credibility out of that.
All I ask is in the future if you make such horrible rhetorical statements, own up to them with evidence and don't leave yourself so open to counterarguments. If not, I guess go back to watching your Bill O-Reilly, Rush limbaugh, and Sean Hannity and keep posting your rhetorical comments.
"Idra is just completely unreliable in every aspect that you would want in a player."
Like he doesn't practice hard, or doesn't win games, or do well in tournaments. He he has no star power. Yeah I cannot see why people would want a player like him.
"EG as a competitive team can't really lose out from this decision, and Idra can't exactly fall much further than he already has"
Yeah, like they don't have to worry about backlash from Idras fans. I mean Ohio wasn't pissed when lebron left or anything and got really mad at the management.
Could somebody just temp ban him please?
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Could somebody just temp ban him please?
I think this is a good point he's making. This could very well be the turnaround that IdrA needs. At some point, E-Sports is about winning. Sometimes people get lost in eyeballs eyeballs eyeballs, and IdrA draws those better than anyone else! But...you gotta win something.
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On May 11 2013 10:07 tokinho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 09:53 Lonyo wrote:
Idra made this situation all by himself. EG probably had a somewhat tough decision, but from the comments, they tried to help him and they didn't get anywhere.
I have made comments in the past asking what EG were doing, but from SirScoot's tweet and other comments about things done to help him, it seems like they couldn't do enough, and in the end it wasn't worth the hassle.
It's going to be tough to think of a team who would want to pick up a massive liability who can't be relied on from a teamplay perspective, can't be relied on to commit himself to playing to his best and trying to win, and who can't be relied on to act sensibly.
At the end of the day, Idra is just completely unreliable in every aspect that you would want in a player. The only thing you can rely on at the moment is that he will have a bad attitude, and that's not exactly a good thing.
I would say good luck to Idra in finding a new team, but honestly, he needs a lot lot lot more than luck.
I will wholeheartedly congratulate EG for doing the right thing, even though they were probably torn over what the community might think, but at the end of the day, EG and Idra was not working. At all. EG as a competitive team can't really lose out from this decision, and Idra can't exactly fall much further than he already has (he's pretty much at rock bottom, face it), the only unknown is EG's business/corporate interests and how they will be impacted, but it wouldn't surprise me if the number of people who think more hgihly of EG for doing this vastly outweighs the number of Idra fanboys who will rage at EG for doing this.
At the end of the day, it's the best thing EG could do for themselves and for Idra, considering they already seem to have put in effort to try and "fix" Idra. Holy troll batman. you talk as if you were part of the decision, and only weigh cons. As you say to establish your credibility, congrats you have made comments in the past and have read tweets by sir Scoots. I belive you are the first person to comment ever. So much credibility out of that. All I ask is in the future if you make such horrible rhetorical statements, own up to them with evidence and don't leave yourself so open to counterarguments. If not, I guess go back to watching your Bill O-Reilly, Rush limbaugh, and Sean Hannity and keep posting your rhetorical comments. "Idra is just completely unreliable in every aspect that you would want in a player." Like he doesn't practice hard, or doesn't win games, or do well in tournaments. He he has no star power. Yeah I cannot see why people would want a player like him. "EG as a competitive team can't really lose out from this decision, and Idra can't exactly fall much further than he already has" Yeah, like they don't have to worry about backlash from Idras fans. I mean Ohio wasn't pissed when lebron left or anything and got really mad at the management. Could somebody just temp ban him please?
When was the last time idra had any good results to speak of?
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On May 11 2013 09:30 Teton wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 09:27 Jacmert wrote:
I would like to someone write and produce a movie about IdrA, Nony, and Flo joining forces as North America's (recently) teamless representatives from each race, overcoming insurmountable odds and poor expectations from the community, to strike a mortal blow against the Korean menace. Set in WCS America Season 3 and wrapping up at the Global Finals in Seoul, South Korea. Film title still pending... 'merica
Oh, my. That's brilliant! Maybe we could call it: 'Murica Rising (Part 1 of a three part trilogy) Part 2 will center around Team 'Murica heading over to Korea to compete in Proleague. It will start off with all three of them getting trounced in the Code A / Challenger League qualifiers, before they're given another shot at redemption by joining the rest of the foreigner Proleague hopes.
Yes, that's right, Part 2 has an expanded cast, featuring Huk, Thorzain, Suppy, and Snute. Major shows up, too.
On May 11 2013 09:33 Miss_Foxy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 09:27 Jacmert wrote:
I would like to someone write and produce a movie about IdrA, Nony, and Flo joining forces as North America's (recently) teamless representatives from each race, overcoming insurmountable odds and poor expectations from the community, to strike a mortal blow against the Korean menace. Set in WCS America Season 3 and wrapping up at the Global Finals in Seoul, South Korea. Film title still pending... IdrA the Regenade American Zerg, coming soon. The Rogue Gracken roams the seas of North America, waiting for a chance to strike once again. Only time can tell...
Sounds like a great idea for the action figure line that we'll spin off from the movie. "Renegade American Zerg" IdrA.
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On May 11 2013 09:19 RoboSnail wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 09:09 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 09:02 RoboSnail wrote:On May 11 2013 08:58 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 08:41 mycro wrote:On May 11 2013 08:30 layabout wrote:On May 11 2013 08:27 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 08:25 layabout wrote:On May 11 2013 07:53 Sabu113 wrote:On May 11 2013 07:09 Toadvine wrote:
Well, even though Idra's pretty bad at SC2 right now, he appears to have developed a method of inducing Stockholm Syndrome in people over the Internet, which is quite impressive if you think about it. Being hooked into the celebrity marketing arm really helps. Look at Nani versus Idra 8 months ago. Worlds of difference based on access to the podcasts. This "stockholm syndrome" joke is neither funny nor well founded. Idra's recent form has nothing to do with the fact that he has gained fans throughout his career and those continuing to support him are actual fans. The number of people taking so much delight in this has made me truly ashamed to be a part of this community. It's one thing to dislike a player or condemn their actions, but it's another to go out of your way to shit on someone and anyone that has supported him because he got fired. Yes, causa Idra really didn't shit on anyone. If you dislike him for acting like that you have no excuse for acting like that yourself particularly when you yourself are the one condemning such behavior. Why are you doing the mature routine in a community where the average age is what.. 15-16? If that... So telling people to let a childish behavior like Idra's slide is the mature thing now? Nobody is burning him alive and nobody is saying anything even remotely as bad as Idra has said to other people (like wishing that they died of cancer because they won games against him). If you really believe that nobody on here has been a completely insensitive twat towards idra in this thread, then you seriously need to learn to read. The point is, he had it coming by being the same towards the community. No actually the orginal point that was being made is this community has been just as toxic towards him as he has been towards them. Yet the community sits on it's high horse and preaches maturity, professionalism and manners.
You must have missed the last 170 pages of posts explaining to obsessive fans like yourself, that the people being poisonous towards Idra are a very small, vocal minority of the community.
The masses of casual viewers are not interested in Idra beyond simply rooting for him and buying some products here and there, since they have disposable income. Those are the people Idra called "fucks" and "sheep" that he is manipulating for profit, with the consent of Evil Genius's. Hence he got fired. Very, very, very simple isn't it?
So no, "Robosnail", you don't get to speak for the entire community and pretend like it's The World vs Idra. It's just Idra vs Idra, and he's been losing the battle against himself for a long time now.
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On May 11 2013 10:15 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 09:19 RoboSnail wrote:On May 11 2013 09:09 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 09:02 RoboSnail wrote:On May 11 2013 08:58 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 08:41 mycro wrote:On May 11 2013 08:30 layabout wrote:On May 11 2013 08:27 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 08:25 layabout wrote:On May 11 2013 07:53 Sabu113 wrote:
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Being hooked into the celebrity marketing arm really helps.
Look at Nani versus Idra 8 months ago. Worlds of difference based on access to the podcasts. This "stockholm syndrome" joke is neither funny nor well founded. Idra's recent form has nothing to do with the fact that he has gained fans throughout his career and those continuing to support him are actual fans. The number of people taking so much delight in this has made me truly ashamed to be a part of this community. It's one thing to dislike a player or condemn their actions, but it's another to go out of your way to shit on someone and anyone that has supported him because he got fired. Yes, causa Idra really didn't shit on anyone. If you dislike him for acting like that you have no excuse for acting like that yourself particularly when you yourself are the one condemning such behavior. Why are you doing the mature routine in a community where the average age is what.. 15-16? If that... So telling people to let a childish behavior like Idra's slide is the mature thing now? Nobody is burning him alive and nobody is saying anything even remotely as bad as Idra has said to other people (like wishing that they died of cancer because they won games against him). If you really believe that nobody on here has been a completely insensitive twat towards idra in this thread, then you seriously need to learn to read. The point is, he had it coming by being the same towards the community. No actually the orginal point that was being made is this community has been just as toxic towards him as he has been towards them. Yet the community sits on it's high horse and preaches maturity, professionalism and manners. You must have missed the last 170 pages of posts explaining to obsessive fans like yourself, that the people being poisonous towards Idra are a very small, vocal minority of the community.The masses of casual viewers are not interested in Idra beyond simply rooting for him and buying some products here and there, since they have disposable income. Those are the people Idra called "fucks" and "sheep" that he is manipulating for profit, with the consent of Evil Genius's. Hence he got fired. Very, very, very simple isn't it? So no, "Robosnail", you don't get to speak for the entire community and pretend like it's The World vs Idra. It's just Idra vs Idra, and he's been losing the battle against himself for a long time now.
But that means he's also winning it... : D
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On May 11 2013 10:15 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 09:19 RoboSnail wrote:On May 11 2013 09:09 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 09:02 RoboSnail wrote:On May 11 2013 08:58 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 08:41 mycro wrote:On May 11 2013 08:30 layabout wrote:On May 11 2013 08:27 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 08:25 layabout wrote:On May 11 2013 07:53 Sabu113 wrote:
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Being hooked into the celebrity marketing arm really helps.
Look at Nani versus Idra 8 months ago. Worlds of difference based on access to the podcasts. This "stockholm syndrome" joke is neither funny nor well founded. Idra's recent form has nothing to do with the fact that he has gained fans throughout his career and those continuing to support him are actual fans. The number of people taking so much delight in this has made me truly ashamed to be a part of this community. It's one thing to dislike a player or condemn their actions, but it's another to go out of your way to shit on someone and anyone that has supported him because he got fired. Yes, causa Idra really didn't shit on anyone. If you dislike him for acting like that you have no excuse for acting like that yourself particularly when you yourself are the one condemning such behavior. Why are you doing the mature routine in a community where the average age is what.. 15-16? If that... So telling people to let a childish behavior like Idra's slide is the mature thing now? Nobody is burning him alive and nobody is saying anything even remotely as bad as Idra has said to other people (like wishing that they died of cancer because they won games against him). If you really believe that nobody on here has been a completely insensitive twat towards idra in this thread, then you seriously need to learn to read. The point is, he had it coming by being the same towards the community. No actually the orginal point that was being made is this community has been just as toxic towards him as he has been towards them. Yet the community sits on it's high horse and preaches maturity, professionalism and manners. You must have missed the last 170 pages of posts explaining to obsessive fans like yourself, that the people being poisonous towards Idra are a very small, vocal minority of the community.The masses of casual viewers are not interested in Idra beyond simply rooting for him and buying some products here and there, since they have disposable income. Those are the people Idra called "fucks" and "sheep" that he is manipulating for profit, with the consent of Evil Genius's. Hence he got fired. Very, very, very simple isn't it? So no, "Robosnail", you don't get to speak for the entire community and pretend like it's The World vs Idra. It's just Idra vs Idra, and he's been losing the battle against himself for a long time now.
Technically doesn't that also mean he's winning the battle? I mean either IdrA beats IdrA or IdrA beats IdrA : D
On May 11 2013 10:18 Venomsflame wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 10:15 SCST wrote:On May 11 2013 09:19 RoboSnail wrote:On May 11 2013 09:09 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 09:02 RoboSnail wrote:On May 11 2013 08:58 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 08:41 mycro wrote:On May 11 2013 08:30 layabout wrote:On May 11 2013 08:27 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 08:25 layabout wrote:
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This "stockholm syndrome" joke is neither funny nor well founded.
Idra's recent form has nothing to do with the fact that he has gained fans throughout his career and those continuing to support him are actual fans.
The number of people taking so much delight in this has made me truly ashamed to be a part of this community. It's one thing to dislike a player or condemn their actions, but it's another to go out of your way to shit on someone and anyone that has supported him because he got fired. Yes, causa Idra really didn't shit on anyone. If you dislike him for acting like that you have no excuse for acting like that yourself particularly when you yourself are the one condemning such behavior. Why are you doing the mature routine in a community where the average age is what.. 15-16? If that... So telling people to let a childish behavior like Idra's slide is the mature thing now? Nobody is burning him alive and nobody is saying anything even remotely as bad as Idra has said to other people (like wishing that they died of cancer because they won games against him). If you really believe that nobody on here has been a completely insensitive twat towards idra in this thread, then you seriously need to learn to read. The point is, he had it coming by being the same towards the community. No actually the orginal point that was being made is this community has been just as toxic towards him as he has been towards them. Yet the community sits on it's high horse and preaches maturity, professionalism and manners. You must have missed the last 170 pages of posts explaining to obsessive fans like yourself, that the people being poisonous towards Idra are a very small, vocal minority of the community.The masses of casual viewers are not interested in Idra beyond simply rooting for him and buying some products here and there, since they have disposable income. Those are the people Idra called "fucks" and "sheep" that he is manipulating for profit, with the consent of Evil Genius's. Hence he got fired. Very, very, very simple isn't it? So no, "Robosnail", you don't get to speak for the entire community and pretend like it's The World vs Idra. It's just Idra vs Idra, and he's been losing the battle against himself for a long time now. But that means he's also winning it... : D
You fucking sniped it first you bastard hahahaha
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On May 11 2013 10:07 tokinho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 09:53 Lonyo wrote:
Idra made this situation all by himself. EG probably had a somewhat tough decision, but from the comments, they tried to help him and they didn't get anywhere.
I have made comments in the past asking what EG were doing, but from SirScoot's tweet and other comments about things done to help him, it seems like they couldn't do enough, and in the end it wasn't worth the hassle.
It's going to be tough to think of a team who would want to pick up a massive liability who can't be relied on from a teamplay perspective, can't be relied on to commit himself to playing to his best and trying to win, and who can't be relied on to act sensibly.
At the end of the day, Idra is just completely unreliable in every aspect that you would want in a player. The only thing you can rely on at the moment is that he will have a bad attitude, and that's not exactly a good thing.
I would say good luck to Idra in finding a new team, but honestly, he needs a lot lot lot more than luck.
I will wholeheartedly congratulate EG for doing the right thing, even though they were probably torn over what the community might think, but at the end of the day, EG and Idra was not working. At all. EG as a competitive team can't really lose out from this decision, and Idra can't exactly fall much further than he already has (he's pretty much at rock bottom, face it), the only unknown is EG's business/corporate interests and how they will be impacted, but it wouldn't surprise me if the number of people who think more hgihly of EG for doing this vastly outweighs the number of Idra fanboys who will rage at EG for doing this.
At the end of the day, it's the best thing EG could do for themselves and for Idra, considering they already seem to have put in effort to try and "fix" Idra. Holy troll batman. you talk as if you were part of the decision, and only weigh cons. As you say to establish your credibility, congrats you have made comments in the past and have read tweets by sir Scoots. I belive you are the first person to comment ever. So much credibility out of that. All I ask is in the future if you make such horrible rhetorical statements, own up to them with evidence and don't leave yourself so open to counterarguments. If not, I guess go back to watching your Bill O-Reilly, Rush limbaugh, and Sean Hannity and keep posting your rhetorical comments. "Idra is just completely unreliable in every aspect that you would want in a player." Like he doesn't practice hard, or doesn't win games, or do well in tournaments. He he has no star power. Yeah I cannot see why people would want a player like him. "EG as a competitive team can't really lose out from this decision, and Idra can't exactly fall much further than he already has" Yeah, like they don't have to worry about backlash from Idras fans. I mean Ohio wasn't pissed when lebron left or anything and got really mad at the management. Could somebody just temp ban him please?
Loling hard at the amount of rage you feel towards this guys opinion, which was stated politely and doesn't break any forum rules . . . you actually are trying to get a mod to ban him for sharing his view? Lol
*popcorn*
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On May 11 2013 10:18 Venomsflame wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 10:15 SCST wrote:On May 11 2013 09:19 RoboSnail wrote:On May 11 2013 09:09 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 09:02 RoboSnail wrote:On May 11 2013 08:58 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 08:41 mycro wrote:On May 11 2013 08:30 layabout wrote:On May 11 2013 08:27 ne0lith wrote:On May 11 2013 08:25 layabout wrote:
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This "stockholm syndrome" joke is neither funny nor well founded.
Idra's recent form has nothing to do with the fact that he has gained fans throughout his career and those continuing to support him are actual fans.
The number of people taking so much delight in this has made me truly ashamed to be a part of this community. It's one thing to dislike a player or condemn their actions, but it's another to go out of your way to shit on someone and anyone that has supported him because he got fired. Yes, causa Idra really didn't shit on anyone. If you dislike him for acting like that you have no excuse for acting like that yourself particularly when you yourself are the one condemning such behavior. Why are you doing the mature routine in a community where the average age is what.. 15-16? If that... So telling people to let a childish behavior like Idra's slide is the mature thing now? Nobody is burning him alive and nobody is saying anything even remotely as bad as Idra has said to other people (like wishing that they died of cancer because they won games against him). If you really believe that nobody on here has been a completely insensitive twat towards idra in this thread, then you seriously need to learn to read. The point is, he had it coming by being the same towards the community. No actually the orginal point that was being made is this community has been just as toxic towards him as he has been towards them. Yet the community sits on it's high horse and preaches maturity, professionalism and manners. You must have missed the last 170 pages of posts explaining to obsessive fans like yourself, that the people being poisonous towards Idra are a very small, vocal minority of the community.The masses of casual viewers are not interested in Idra beyond simply rooting for him and buying some products here and there, since they have disposable income. Those are the people Idra called "fucks" and "sheep" that he is manipulating for profit, with the consent of Evil Genius's. Hence he got fired. Very, very, very simple isn't it? So no, "Robosnail", you don't get to speak for the entire community and pretend like it's The World vs Idra. It's just Idra vs Idra, and he's been losing the battle against himself for a long time now. But that means he's also winning it... : D
LOL touche bub, touche
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It seems clear that he got fired for his very insulting post.
EG showed in the past that they dont like PR incidents ( Stephano ) and they kept that line of conduct here.
Kind of weird though that Idra is not EG anymore.
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My guess would be that Idra simply wanted to move on, he had his own place and probably wants a stable job/family kinda thing now.
If they actually thought he was not enough of a "personality" than I would guess they are crying when they look at the dozen of thousands of comments on tl and reddit in 2 days.
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