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On May 10 2013 01:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 01:32 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 10 2013 01:18 Maggost wrote:
I stopped playing SC2 and i dont rage in any other games. So that might be the solution, think about it! I think it's mostly because there is a rather high skill requirement for SC2. You invest a lot of time and energy into the game which makes it all the more possibly bruising to your ego when you lose. Again, the solution is to embrace losses, know that EVERYONE loses, and that the best way to get better is to learn from whatever beats you. Be an emotional rock, don't let that mess with your training. when i was about 10 we used to play Atari Baseball with the adults. They smash their little joystick controllers into a million pieces when they lost.
Eh. I never had rage problems while playing Baseball during middle/high school. I didn't rage in Counter Strike 1.6 way back in the day (I mean maybe very very rarely, and not on the level I used to have in sc2), nor do I have any issues whatsoever in LoL or Dota 2 or w/e else I play these days. I definitely did have some pretty explosive anger in sc2, though, and some when I played war3 back in the day (mostly just vs hackers though).
Maybe it's just a problem with RTS, but I really think it's because you have to invest more into that style of game than others. Losses can also feel cheap or bewildering when you're still in the learning phase. In any case, you can fix the problem, it just takes some work.
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If you check out my older VODs you will see lots of rage.
The moment I picked bodybuilding (Strength training 3-4 times a week, eating 4000+ kcal a day for hypertrophy, sleeping at least 8 hours a night) again, I noticed a huge increase in calmness and self-control. The need to hit that enter button and put some meaningless words down, decreased significantly.
I can fully unstress during my workout and proper food plans keep my energy levels up so that my blood sugar doesn't dip to below regular, which can cause grumpyness and irritation.
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I feel your anger.
But i most likely only rage if something if very little probabilty happens. Games where i win 99,9% of the time but everything falls down so unfortunate that i still managed to lose. I had some games where i lost to ridicolous bad luck (chances lower than 1 to 10000, more than 5-6things had to go a certain way to lose) and this drives me on the edge. Not just in starcraft, in poker you could literally calculate the odds:
I played a game where i was a very deep stack on the table, the other guy had a decent stack too (6player table), but i was constantly bluffing him out of a hand and he always stayed in the hand when i had really good one myself. So i wored myself up to about 2-3x the amount of the maximum buy in. So were are in a big hand, he have the nuts flush on the turn, he has a set, we are working ourself up to me putting everything in, on the river he gets a fullhouse and i lose a big part of my stack, i m a little bit angry but it told myself "bad beats happen".
I work myself up to a deep stack again, after constantly owining him (while he was owning the other guys on the table) he gets mad. I have JJ and he has A3, he tries to blindsteal when i slowplayed my hand preflop, i raise him again, he reraises, so on the flop we have a huge pot already (about 60 bucks). The flop is 2 8 J, all different colours, so i have a really sick hand. I trie to slowplay him again, and just check, he raises m,e with a potsize bet, he reraise, he goes allin. The pot is 400bucks now (the biggest pot ive ever played). So as the cards are put on i expect me to win this pot 100% (after i saw the hand) and i expect the huge pot move towards my player icon, but the pot moves away instead, my brain not able to realize what just happened. He got 4 and 5 on the turn and river. Chances for that is about 1%. When i finally realized what happened, i got up and punched the wall as hard as i could, which resulted in fractioning the backside of my hand and i had to get a titanium plate in it.
I hate losing to bad luck, if things fall down so unfortunate not just once but 3 or more times. I also rage when i feel i was the better player but the other guy got lucky at a certain point (or i feel he got lucky). That makes me really mad.
I never ever destroy equipment, i just slammed my keyboard once. A friend of mine had to buy new headsets every other month at his worst raging times.
What helps me a lot and i m a lot more chilled is when i work out at the gym and move big weights. Not just for the sake of gaining muscle mass but also release tension buy forcing yourself to the limit. And i dont mean endurance but pure strengh, put everything you got in lifting the weight, all your anger and frustration goes into it. After a workout i m really relaxed and i dont mind losing. I was thinking about getting a CoCgripper so i can squeeze my anger into something physical. I think that is a really good solution, you can release your anger in silence wihtout damaging yourself or objects.
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Rage is normal. You just have to control it. If you feel like punching something, punch a pillow or strangle a towel.
You see rage everywhere in sports/competition, it's up to the person what he does with it.
It's not the rage itself that leads to bad things, it's your actions. Just saying "I cant control what I do when I rage". That is to alleviate yourself from responsibility of your actions. If you can't learn to control it then you should stop playing until you can.
Since you obviously know that you will probably go into rage mode during your gaming session it's an aware decision on your part.
GL and remember to HF
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i think you need help to realize how pathetic you are behaving. here, have this post.
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"4. Speeding and driving semi-recklessly"
This is beyond angry. Stop playing, for the safety of others. If you are as reasonable as it seems, you'll know this is the correct choice.
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Go to a therapist, doctor or whatever. You need help.
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Just quit playing sc2. I never get mad, but when I played SC2 I was angry like never before. Never broke anything, just felt terribly inside. Decided that since I play for fun if I rage It obviously ruins all the previous and potential upcoming fun, so I stopped playing/switched to games where I don't get mad at.
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If you had that kind of anger issues after taking drugs and nothing else in your life caused anger in you, would you ask for help with anger management, or would you consider quitting drugs ?
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I can't tell if th is is a troll post or not but if it isn't you just should just stop playing Sc2. Nothing of what you described is even remotely close to normal reactions from playing a game. Even if that happened a couple times of what you described is pretty bad but for it to be a common thing just seems foolish. You aren't playing this game for a living so you should probably stop before you do something reckless to your body or something/someone around u over a video game
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On May 09 2013 09:03 Canucklehead wrote:
You might have a split personality. Go and see a psychiatrist to get help. Take some pills and chill. Why you haffta be mad...it's only a game?
IT'S NOT ONLY A GAME raaaaaaaawwwwwrrrrrrrr
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On May 09 2013 08:57 HeeroFX wrote:i know you said this before but maybe you should grow up? What I mean by this is look at your life and say "is losing a match in a video game I play for fun a big deal?" Sure we all get frustrated, when we lose, but grown ups move past those frustrating moments and power through them. But no offense I feel like your one of those people who shouldn't play video games you can lose at because of the fact you wrote: Show nested quote +
1. Slamming my fists into any objects around me with such force and consistency that I have damaged the nerves in my hands, wrists, and fingers several times, sometimes requiring months to heal. At one point I thought I was going to need surgery for a nerve impingement, but was fortunate to be able to avoid it.
2. Throwing, damaging, and breaking objects around me. Yesterday, I managed to slam 4 or 5 keys off of my $120.00 mechanical keyboard. Fortunately I was able to find them and re-attach them and it still works (good on you, Corsair!).
3. Screaming in fits of rage that lasts for anywhere from 30-45 minutes at their worst. I was actually cited for a noise violation by my apartment complex late last year for this and the associated slamming and banging.
4. Speeding and driving semi-recklessly when I have to go somewhere after playing and losing a few matches. This is the scariest thing, because I could, y'know, die, or cause someone else to die.
really tells me that you need to grow up, get mental help, don't play the game. Hope this helps you, I am not trying to be mean, but your situation is pretty stupid.
"Grow up" is a weak answer. You obviously don't understand what maturing is. Everyone has their demons and your suggestion makes it seem like you don't. But you suffer in another part of your life, but it may not be rage.
I've already sent a PM to the OP, but this is a legit issue guys. "Growing up" doesn't mean shit in this situation. I'm a pretty mature person when it comes to discussions about philosophy, sociology, science, anthropology among other subjects. I'm pretty level headed, but I too suffer from literally the EXACT. SAME. PROBLEM. and it only happens in SC2, and very few other games. Things can make me angry, but nothing pisses me off more than losing games of SC2. It's not about admitting your flaws either - I know where my mistakes are, but that doesn't stop it.
IMO and experience it's a psychological problem. Not that the OP is crazy,but what happens is you associate anger with stupid things like losing when you feel like you should have won, or even when you shouldn't have won. It's honestly uncontrollable once you hit the peak point. Yes, there's always a choice, but when your emotions escalate to certain point, choice becomes irrelevant. The power of anger is like a drug - it feels SO good to feel that anger, but the hangover after is much worse.
Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean you're more mature, or that being more mature means you don't get mad. Mature people have emotions, and have just as many demons.
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1 and 2 are just standard rage, nothing special.
3 and 4 however are both scary and dangerous.
Imagine causing someone getting handicapped for life cause you drove reckless since you lost a sc2 game. I am sure that person will love to hear that.
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On May 09 2013 09:13 Lauriel wrote:
To everyone saying "quit and get professional help," thank you for your input, but I'm not going to respond, simply because it's a last resort, and I'm looking for solutions that will prevent me from going to that end. I also don't have the money for professional help, and have no interest in talking to a psychiatrist about gaming rage that they probably don't understand to begin with.
Again, thank you for the input though. It is noted.
Not that I think you should, or that others are being particularly helpful (at all), in recent years psychology has taken a new approach to gaming/gaming addiction/gaming anger etc... Its fairly common, granted to different degree's, but yours is certainly an extreme case. You need to stop playing when you go on a losing streak...I'm serious...When you start to feel like that you need to find it in the angry thoughts to STOP....and think...that you need to take a quick break.
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I would say that Starcraft can effect you more than other games, because you put a lot of yourself into the game. When you lose all your units and then lose the game, it's tricks you into thinking you've lost all you have. I sometimes have dreams that equate Starcraft to real life. (Ex. I was dreaming about people fighting and thought, "how can they do all that off one base?")
I'd say that macro games are harder to deal with, because you have so many units and so much infrastructure, and it can be hard to watch it all die. Starcraft isn't something you should feel emotional about, but it's like watching a movie. If you saw a movie where the people lost everything they had and couldn't get anything back, you feel sad. When you lose a Starcraft game, it's a similar concept, only it pertains to you.
If you wish to continue playing Starcraft, I suggest you make considerations before everything you do. If you're planning on attacking, think, "I could lose the game if he defends well." I think that becoming a cheesy or aggressive player would help your rage out, so you may want to play Terran. You won't be angry if you're busy making them angry! :D
Best of luck,
Zelevin #464 NA
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On May 10 2013 02:53 RHGaming wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 09:13 Lauriel wrote:
To everyone saying "quit and get professional help," thank you for your input, but I'm not going to respond, simply because it's a last resort, and I'm looking for solutions that will prevent me from going to that end. I also don't have the money for professional help, and have no interest in talking to a psychiatrist about gaming rage that they probably don't understand to begin with.
Again, thank you for the input though. It is noted. Not that I think you should, or that others are being particularly helpful (at all), in recent years psychology has taken a new approach to gaming/gaming addiction/gaming anger etc... Its fairly common, granted to different degree's, but yours is certainly an extreme case. You need to stop playing when you go on a losing streak...I'm serious...When you start to feel like that you need to find it in the angry thoughts to STOP....and think...that you need to take a quick break.
No, he needs to stop playing SC2 completely for a month or two. Those small breaks don't do shit to stop this. I've tried it. I've tried hours, days, weeks. Nothing stops this. The moment I sit down and start laddering again, it starts over. It doesn't matter what psychological hoops I get myself to jump through. I still have the same problem. Quitting SC2 has been the best thing I've done for the health of my life and brain. I find myself getting less angry and not being as anxious. I still have those moments, but they're so much easier to fight off.
It sucks trying to explain this to people because those who don't suffer from it, don't understand that this isn't normal rage. It's a combination of disappointment, anger and regret. I admit the mistakes I make, and write them down when I would play, but it didn't help. I think pretty rationally, and able to be open for a lot of discussion even when I disagree. I even play SFIV now instead of SC2, and I cannot get mad at that game. Hell, I've been playing this dude for the past 3 days, and he does the same fucking move over and over, and beats me sometimes. He is terrible at SFIV, but I cannot get mad. I lose to people online in SFIV, and don't get angry. I lose to people in Smash bros., and stay calm (i'm not even half bad at Smash bros). This isn't a general anger issue. It's game specific, and not genre either.
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Why you so mad bro, no reason to be mad, its just a game calm down and chill your life.
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Forget about all the weird stuff people tell you to do. Just think about it. You are probably way more than smart enough to understand why you lose games. Of course! you just need to think about why you lose and move on. Doing barbaric rage movements is just a way to express your frustration instead of working with the problem - that you lose. You are just handling losses in the wrong way. I promise you. If you just sit down and concentrate. There is a reason for everything. If you lose, and do not know why you lost. Just watch the replay. Write down what you need to improve, and repeat for next loss.
Also. A lot of people get into rage even when they know what they need to imrpove - but the improvement looks so far fetched that they feel hopeless - and the reaction is rage.
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