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Tubbzie
England10 Posts
What do you, personally, do to motivate yourself to hit the button and get into a game. Maybe you've had a rough few games, maybe you've been cheesed to Hell, or simply you're just not in the mood. What is it that you do to get yourself into gear to start ownin' 'dem nubs? Tubbzie. | ||
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cydial
United States750 Posts
League of Legends is hard because of how long the games are (usually 45min - 1hour), sc2 the games are 20-30 minutes and are straight forward in knocking out. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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gaymon
Germany1023 Posts
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WightyCity
Canada887 Posts
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RandomAccount#282689
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9362 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:03 Tubbzie wrote: It's ridiculously easy to find yourself sat with the StarCraft II menu open, but simply not playing. Whether it's ladder anxiety, rage or just straight procrastination I notice that half the time I spend 'on' StarCraft, I'm actually just putting off laddering or practising. What do you, personally, do to motivate yourself to hit the button and get into a game. Maybe you've had a rough few games, maybe you've been cheesed to Hell, or simply you're just not in the mood. What is it that you do to get yourself into gear to start ownin' 'dem nubs? Tubbzie. You need a goal. | ||
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
It's as simple as that. Why would I ever "motivate" myself to play SC2? It's not my job, it doesn't pay my bills, it's not a hobby whose mastery makes me a better person, so there's no pressure at all to get better. | ||
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ErrantKnight
Switzerland186 Posts
You can also watch Vods or streams as they tend to have the same effect. Playing with (or even better against) people you know is great too. If it's ladder games you want to play, try playing when you feel confident. Watch your replays as they show you what to improve and therefor motivates you to do so. | ||
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Gallerz
United Kingdom5 Posts
a few things I do to motivate myself 1) watch decent StarCraft2 streams to get my self in the mood 2) just click the Play button and just go with it, sounds stupid but if you just click the play button then there is no backing out with how quick matches are found 3) just relax and have fun playing, if you are getting cheesed to hell, or frustrated while playing then stop and have a break, then come back refreshed and ready to ladder 4) set your self a target on the ladder, like " I'll play till I win 5 matches today" or something along those lines | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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HystericaLaughter
Australia720 Posts
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besez
Sweden54 Posts
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oGsTrueSmug
England141 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
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E.L.V.I.S
Belgium458 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Mortal
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partydude89
1850 Posts
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inkfected
England76 Posts
As previously said, noone really knows who you are and people dont care about your stats so just keep playing constantly trying to improve small things. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
It's a game. I try (emphasis on try) to motivate myself for work, not games. | ||
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BhT-
Portugal23 Posts
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AsBan
Norway94 Posts
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Polygamy
Austria1114 Posts
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
What wound up happening after doing this a few times was I learned how to lose well. It takes you out of the mindset that each game is some reflection of personal failure or insult and helps you see the game mechanically. It really only increased my existing desire to play, by subtracting what turns most off of ranked games. | ||
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29 fps
United States5723 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
For me I don`t really need any motivation to play I just play. | ||
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Jade
Poland289 Posts
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YourAdHere
United States216 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:26 TheFish7 wrote: I don't need motivation, I'm a video game addict. I have to motivate myself to NOT play. Fuck yeah! | ||
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
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SongMeister
United States20 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
So true  | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:08 Sated wrote: Unranked is a glorious thing. Forever and ever amen. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
I mean it is a video game after all. | ||
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Mansef
59 Posts
Forcing yourself to play is a simple as pressing the button, you need to have the self-discipline and self-motivation to do it. If you're a competitive person who plays the game to get better at it and improve, you need to have the self-discipline to make yourself play. That's really the main difference between an amateur and professional. The professional either enjoys playing the game enough, or cares enough about improving, to motivate himself to play. If you neither enjoy the game enough to play it, or care enough about improving to play it, you should not be playing this game. That's just the way it is. | ||
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Duggibobo
Sweden111 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:26 TheFish7 wrote: I don't need motivation, I'm a video game addict. I have to motivate myself to NOT play. This guy, we have the same problem! | ||
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Quakecomm
United States344 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
, no need to really think about it. Personally I just play with friends. | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada948 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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Bunn
Estonia934 Posts
If that guy can do it, so can you. And as some people have mentioned - unranked . | ||
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tokinho
United States785 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:03 Tubbzie wrote: It's ridiculously easy to find yourself sat with the StarCraft II menu open, but simply not playing. Whether it's ladder anxiety, rage or just straight procrastination I notice that half the time I spend 'on' StarCraft, I'm actually just putting off laddering or practising. What do you, personally, do to motivate yourself to hit the button and get into a game. Maybe you've had a rough few games, maybe you've been cheesed to Hell, or simply you're just not in the mood. What is it that you do to get yourself into gear to start ownin' 'dem nubs? Tubbzie. haha. You rage. My suggestion to beat rage, try pissing people off. Talking smack is part of sports. Its like that person who cut you off driving, instead of getting mad just get in front of them. | ||
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Skiblet
South Africa206 Posts
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warz_
Greece64 Posts
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
I play because I enjoy the competition, the ups and downs of competitive ladder, and the thrill of defeating another human being. | ||
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CrushDog5
Canada207 Posts
On May 09 2013 01:15 heyoka wrote: If you're having a hard time finding motivation I suspect your mindset is too much about winning and not enough about learning - you should try to approach it from a perspective of an opportunity to understand the game more instead of making "being good" your end goal. I completely agree. Your successes are the fuel for your continued practice. Having successes is just a matter of setting the right goals. Focus on short term achievable goals like "I'm going to try making 60 workers every game" or "I'm going to remember to get upgrades". Let those be the thing you aim for. If you play this way, you can't "lose" to someone, because your goal is has nothing to do with winning or losing. That will reduce anxiety. Play to meet specific, measurable, meaningful and achievable ( in no more than a couple days practice) goals. If that doesn't work, play Dota 2. Maybe you're just not playing the game that fits your personality. Good luck. | ||
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
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o29
United States220 Posts
Watching streams sometimes has a similar effect. I'll see someone executing a certain strategy and finding myself wanting to try it out for myself. My execution never goes quite as well as it did in my head, but it's enough to make me want to try. Watching replays might help as well. Hell, sometimes just opening the game is enough. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:03 Tubbzie wrote: What is it that you do to get yourself into gear to start ownin' 'dem nubs? Tubbzie. When I have no motivation to play SC2 I do not play SC2. I am not a progamer and SC2 is not a job for me and I also have many other hobbies and interests and ways to spend my free time. When I do play SC2 I usually play against normal people of similar skill level because that's how matchmaking works. I do not "own them nubs". And here is why: Owning them nubs is pretty difficult since majority of said nubs hardly play SC2 at all. They usually sit with SC2 menu open, simply not playing. They call it ladder anxiety, losing on ladder to them is a tragedy of the life. Since nub values himself so high he cannot stand this rude awakening, this objective demonstration of his real skill. However being a nub he still feels like he must play SC2 even when he doesn't feel like it, even when he has no motivation at all. I have no idea why, I can only guess, and none of the guesses is pretty. Well but enough about them useless nubs. | ||
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Inimic
Canada153 Posts
Have him hold it for 1 minute if you cry. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
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MetalxStorm
United States71 Posts
If I find myself hesitant to play ladder I just watch this once and it works for me =D | ||
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o29
United States220 Posts
On May 09 2013 01:52 Dfgj wrote: If I'm not already motivated I don't play. It's not a job. The problem with these kind of replies is the failure to realize that just because someone does not want to play at first, does not mean that the person won't find themselves having fun after a game or two. But that satisfaction that you get from winning a game isn't going to be there when you first queue a game up. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
Other times I just feel like playing and can go for hours straight. This especially happens when I want to perfect a strategy (like right now I am practicing perfecting the 2 immortal/2 colossus timing that we see a lot in GSL. I am finally winning PvZ again because of it). Unranked helps a lot too. If I feel like I am at the start of a losing streak I just play that instead for a bit. Or go on Korea server and get stomped more, but I just play more for fun on there than competitively. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On May 09 2013 01:44 Bunn wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/kurirko402 If that guy can do it, so can you. And as some people have mentioned - unranked .HOLY SHIT that's crazy.... and he's gold ! | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:03 Tubbzie wrote: It's ridiculously easy to find yourself sat with the StarCraft II menu open, but simply not playing. Whether it's ladder anxiety, rage or just straight procrastination I notice that half the time I spend 'on' StarCraft, I'm actually just putting off laddering or practising. What do you, personally, do to motivate yourself to hit the button and get into a game. Maybe you've had a rough few games, maybe you've been cheesed to Hell, or simply you're just not in the mood. What is it that you do to get yourself into gear to start ownin' 'dem nubs? Tubbzie. Best way? Dumb your girlfriend and stop hanging out with people. Time is money and the less you spend on SC2 the less confidence you will have when grinding the ladder. Good way? Have "mini-goals" so that the pressure of total victory becomes meaningless. If the goal is "get 3 reapers out and start a CC after" then whenever you do that consider that a win and dick around for the rest of the game. Keep doing that until its boring--then start a new mini goal that jumps off of the first one. This allows you to segment the game into its base parts allowing you the freedom to not have to worry about being perfect for a full match giving you less pressure. Decent way? Don't aim for "number of games per day" but instead plan for blocks of time. For example, playing SC2 an hour a day would mean you ladder for 1-2 games and have enough time to hit customs for the last 10ish minutes. Or maybe you feel like rushing that day so you cheese 4-5 times and do a nexus war after. This transforms your relationship to the games as time spending instead of win earning--reducing the pressure of laddering. If the first game was 45 minutes and you only have 15 minutes left, then do a custom game or two instead of laddering up. Or, if you decide to ladder up instead of custom, just cheese for a short 10-15 minute game so you stay within your schedule. Think about it like eating an apple. Its hard to shove a whole apple into your mouth, it's easier if you bite pieces off at a time. When grinding through ladder games, you either quit the world and swallow it whole or you break it down to bite size pieces. | ||
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syriuszonito
Poland332 Posts
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o29
United States220 Posts
He's low diamond according to this thread. | ||
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Cortza
South Africa328 Posts
On May 09 2013 02:18 syriuszonito wrote: Do yourself a favor and just dont play if you dont want to or you might end up with a problem "how do you motivate yourself to stop playing sc2 all the time". QFT | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On May 09 2013 02:06 o29 wrote: The problem with these kind of replies is the failure to realize that just because someone does not want to play at first, does not mean that the person won't find themselves having fun after a game or two. But that satisfaction that you get from winning a game isn't going to be there when you first queue a game up. If the process of playing doesn't motivate a person to do it on its own merit, then a way to force motivation is just a band-aid over the fact they don't enjoy the game. People aren't goldfish, they can remember the satisfaction of winning and playing if it's there for them at all. | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 09 2013 02:30 Erik.TheRed wrote: All I need to do is tune in to some GSL/WCS or watch white-ra pwn some dudes with special tactics and I feel pumped up enough to ladder all day Best motivation for me is when my GF goes out of town for a week to visit family lol SC2 all-day-err-day | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
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KuKri
Germany168 Posts
On May 09 2013 01:44 Bunn wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/kurirko402 If that guy can do it, so can you. And as some people have mentioned - unranked .Uhm - I'm impressed. This guy is the man. | ||
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frontline-
Bulgaria281 Posts
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InfusedTT.DaZe
Romania693 Posts
not too much time these days, final exams in 1 month | ||
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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Gben592
United Kingdom281 Posts
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On May 09 2013 03:21 OutOfMyMind_pro wrote: You set goals. This!!! have a vision bro! If ur just laddering just to ladder then you'll get nowhere!!!! | ||
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cbRRRR
Germany179 Posts
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Ammoth
Sweden391 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:10 Jalued wrote: Watching good sc players helps cause it gives me a false sense that I can actually play this game After a few games those hopes fade away...Haha this kinda happens to me as well, but every time I fail I'm getting more impressed by the pros! | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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Demicore
France503 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On May 09 2013 04:15 Demicore wrote: I don't. I tell myself I should cut back on the 1v1s and try to spend my time in a more productive manner. Yet slowly, invevitably the call of the starcraft becomes unbearably alluring and I crawl back to it much like a heroin addict to his next dose, all the while hating myself for it. Sc2 addiction, not even once man. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 09 2013 03:58 Pokebunny wrote: I don't understand this phenomenon. Nobody is saying you have to play. You have no obligation. You should do what you find fun. If you're not tempted to press the find match button, clearly you're not having fun.. Its the problem with being given both responsibility and culpability. It's not Starcraft2 related but is a human reaction when you give someone something that feels too "big" for them to handle. For example, when I walk on the edge of a sidewalk, I don't feel like I will fall into the street. but if I walked on the edge of a rooftop, I will feel like I will fall to the ground. The mechanics for both is the same, but the consequences for both are highly different. If your quality of skill is judge based on your performance--then you fear having a bad performance because it directly relates to your quality as a player within the social network of the SC2 ladder. SC2 being a competitive game for competitive people, most players don't like the idea of "settling for mediocre" and hence feel bad that they're only [below masters] and their failures feel amplified and their successes feel minuscule. Because playing matches against friends *feels* different than playing matches against the ladder. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Wafflelisk
Canada1061 Posts
This makes Starcraft more fun in the short term, and in the long-term I feel it's beneficial because I can learn different styles, increasing my repertoire and maybe even finding something I want to go back to repeatedly | ||
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llIH
Norway2142 Posts
But honestly: Sometimes it feels like it is impossible to reach GM without cheesing to an extent of really trying to win many games without practising at the same time. | ||
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Jasiwel
United States146 Posts
However, I love being a spectator and those sort of things. SCII will still be one of my most favorite games to watch and definitely my most favorite E-Sport. Heck, spectating gets me into the game, so I suppose my answer would be that if you are having a rough time finding the energy to play, take a while off just to watch some castings and what not. | ||
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Glon
United States569 Posts
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 09 2013 04:26 Ballack wrote: Don't let that rank stop you from playing. Guess what, none gives a shit about your rank. Just play to have fun and improve. You definately won't get better from just sitting there. Poker is also easy until you have your life savings on the table. The mechanics don't change but the *pressure* to win does. In the end, this is all in the mind and some people have better strength than others. | ||
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wUndertUnge
United States1125 Posts
Then you can jump back into 1s after a break | ||
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o29
United States220 Posts
On May 09 2013 02:30 Dfgj wrote: If the process of playing doesn't motivate a person to do it on its own merit, then a way to force motivation is just a band-aid over the fact they don't enjoy the game. People aren't goldfish, they can remember the satisfaction of winning and playing if it's there for them at all. The lack of motivation is like a mild form of ladder anxiety, and it stems from not being guaranteed victory. Your individual games may not be inherently fun; after enough games, practically all of the enjoyment comes from the competitive aspect, or more specifically, winning. Saying that I therefore do not "enjoy" the game is semantics, as you seem to be implying that the competitive component of the game is not an integral part of it. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
On May 09 2013 03:58 Pokebunny wrote: I don't understand this phenomenon. Nobody is saying you have to play. You have no obligation. You should do what you find fun. If you're not tempted to press the find match button, clearly you're not having fun.. Lol, this. If you are lacking motivation to play computer games, then go do something valuable with your time? Now if you are tired or angry and afraid you won't play well, that is what team games and unranked are for, but to be honest I have been wishing that I could lose my motivation to play for the past 15 years... | ||
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askmc70
United States722 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:26 oGsTrueSmug wrote: Play 10 decent games or so, lose to a Protoss or Zerg who are mechanically a league below me but have the race to prop them up, get tired of game, repeat next day. If you are losing to someone who has shit mechanics, than you actually don't know how to play. | ||
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ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
How do you motivate yourself to NOT to play starcraft!!! | ||
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Mr. Black
United States470 Posts
It's normal to feel guilty for playing too much. Unless gaming is your job, you shouldn't feel guilty for playing too little :D I have switched from SC2 to Dota 2 almost entirely. Maybe when the honeymoon is over I'll play some SC2, but for now, if there is not something I need to be doing RIGHT THIS MINUTE, I'm playing Dota 2. No motivation needed. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On May 09 2013 04:52 ThePianoDentist wrote: I wish I had your problem! How do you motivate yourself to NOT to play starcraft!!! play 25nr against very easy AI! at some point you run out of ideas and get bored ! | ||
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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
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Mellon
Sweden917 Posts
On topic: I don't know how to get rid of it, and it's tougher if i win a few games to motivate myself to play another. Sometimes i can spam games, sometimes i can't! | ||
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Wojciech Zywny
Poland271 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
The other thing is, if you can't find a "fun" in practicing it will most likely fail. Professional gamers most of the time reached the state they don't conciously have fun from playing a game as a whole, they garner the fun in details, or in achievements / feats of strenght. This is more like artisan honing his art, it can be tied to an ego and self-esteem as well. Compare two mind-sets one is casual one is determined to do better. Both are having fun. In case of Starcraft that would be: Casual gamer "I made 4gate all-in, i crushed this silver-scrub" Feel of Contentment Aspiring pro-gamer "My 4gate was done in x:xx time, and i hit him well, however he scouted my pylon, next time i will think for a better position blabla". Feel of wanting more and more. | ||
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HelloSon
United States456 Posts
Before, if I wasn't motivated to play, I wouldn't ladder at all. Now if I'm like 50% motivated I'll just play unranked since I can play a lot more relaxed. | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1058 Posts
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Foblos
United States426 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:45 Emzeeshady wrote: I think I have played you before. It was by far the easiest win of my life ^^. I had people drop 0 seconds into the game--I don't know it can be easier than that. | ||
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A Wild Sosd
Australia421 Posts
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MagnuMizer
Denmark384 Posts
there are plenty of games out there that are fun where you dont have imbalance problems or anxiety or whatever that holds you back from playing... if you find yourself not wanting to play for whatever reason - DONT PLAY! its that simple... do something better with your time... why do you feel like you have to play this game? start with that, maybe that will answer all other questions.. hf (most importantly) | ||
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Inimic
Canada153 Posts
Read "Don't shoot the dog," by Karen Pryor. It's about operant conditioning in day to day life, with examples from animal training. In one example, she has a Wall Street guy stop "cursing himself" when he messes up his shots when playing squash, and instead just praise himself when he does good shots. Within a week or two he liked playing a ton more and played far stronger than before. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
Then don`t play it. Assuming it is ladder anxiety... just remember no stranger gives a crap what your rank is, or how many losses and wins you have. Sure, there might be a few occasions where some BM kid will talk shit after beating you, but honestly who cares what some 12 year old nerd says to you online. Or if you feel like a failure for losing, just remember you are not pro-gamer and your life isn`t ruined losing random ladder games. Just be glad you can even play games....there`s billions of people around the world who don`t have that luxury and are just glad to have a roof over their heads and food. | ||
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Maasked
United States567 Posts
The fact I'm really competitive helps a lot too. | ||
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:56 mango_destroyer wrote: Assuming you don`t like the game... Then don`t play it. Assuming it is ladder anxiety... just remember no stranger gives a crap what your rank is, or how many losses and wins you have. Sure, there might be a few occasions where some BM kid will talk shit after beating you, but honestly who cares what some 12 year old nerd says to you online. Or if you feel like a failure for losing, just remember you are not pro-gamer and your life isn`t ruined losing random ladder games. Just be glad you can even play games....there`s billions of people around the world who don`t have that luxury and are just glad to have a roof over their heads and food. I hate this assumption. Ladder anxiety is not that you care what others think of your rank, it's when YOU care about your rank. It's when you care about YOUR successes, YOUR failures. Ladder anxiety is when you don't think you're good enough and having that lack of confidence crash your skill. Its Miya beating everyone in the teamhouse and never winning a match. It's MKP owning a tournament--and then losing in the finals... again. It's when you beat yourself. | ||
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ToD
France222 Posts
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AxUU
Finland162 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:26 oGsTrueSmug wrote: Play 10 decent games or so, lose to a Protoss or Zerg who are mechanically a league below me but have the race to prop them up, get tired of game, repeat next day. User was warned for this post Says the OP terran, idiot. User was warned for this post | ||
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WillS
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Conut
Canada1026 Posts
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
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hooktits
United States972 Posts
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dicedicerevolution
United States245 Posts
I'm paraphrasing here, but you get the point. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On May 09 2013 07:06 Thieving Magpie wrote: I hate this assumption. Ladder anxiety is not that you care what others think of your rank, it's when YOU care about your rank. It's when you care about YOUR successes, YOUR failures. Ladder anxiety is when you don't think you're good enough and having that lack of confidence crash your skill. Its Miya beating everyone in the teamhouse and never winning a match. It's MKP owning a tournament--and then losing in the finals... again. It's when you beat yourself. I mentioned multiple assumptions as he never specified why. In that very same paragraph if you actually read it, I also mentioned about if he felt it was his own failure for losing causing anxiety. | ||
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DnCL
86 Posts
It's cliché, but I'm gonna say it anyway: What do you think about when you are there in the main screen, but not starting a game ? I'm interested in your answer. And like Gallerz did, I'll answer it for myself: What makes me excited about playing starcraft is that I love to progress, learn, and find it satisfying when I my execution is on my top level throughout the game. What makes me not play is when I feel I'm not in top shape. My ways around it all revolve around focusing on the learning and not the ladder: 1: I read about some builds and practice them. 2: I find a practice partner because I love to practice the same matchup many times over. (In the chats or, I'm lucky, I have a friend who's better than me in all 3 races) 3: Variation of 1: I play very focused on 1 thing. A mix of a funday monday with a practice twist on a weakness. I think: I'm going to use more X unit, try to never engage without pressuring with drops, expand more, all in more. All of this is very often by VODs wich inspired me. I try to watch less caster-fun VODs (husky) for more 1rst person VODs where I see the player all the time, hear his reasonning and build order. Seeing plays from player's perspective helps me accept a lot how chaotic it can be to play compared to what we see on casted replays. This is also where I get most of my ideas for 1-2-3: What I want to try in my play. VODs I watch are adapted because I'm a lower league french protoss ( so I watch anoss, tod and desrow's french tutorials), but also personalities I love and that explain well on stream (incontrol, grubby, psy on youtube, day 9 archives) TL:DR : I feel the same way. I play unranked, switch the focus from feeling not at my best by focusing on learning, practicing a particular build/unit/element inspired by VODs | ||
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Mahanaim
Korea (South)1002 Posts
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Gianttt
Netherlands194 Posts
I can understand the ladder anxiety, but the only way you can avoid that is simply by playing 1v1's, and keep doing it. Once you played enough 1v1's, your anxiety is gone for most part. | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:26 oGsTrueSmug wrote: Play 10 decent games or so, lose to a Protoss or Zerg who are mechanically a league below me but have the race to prop them up, get tired of game, repeat next day. User was warned for this post oh please. I Play all three races at master level. Difficulty varies a bit yes, but stop acting like are a pro. You are not at the skill level, to even maximize any of the races. | ||
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EkiMGnaW
United States45 Posts
Sometimes you'll get frustrated or angry or sad. If that happens, just walk away and do something else for a while. Maybe...study for finals or something. =P | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
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Gre3n
Canada8 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3340 Posts
It seems a bit weird to make solutions to other peoples problems, when I myself suffer from it, but what I've found, is that if you don't celebrate a victory and gain happiness from a win, as much as a loss will devastate you, you will find it extremely difficult to motivate yourself to play Starcraft. | ||
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GunSec
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Makuly
Taiwan54 Posts
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Firestorm
Canada341 Posts
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sM.Zik
Canada2544 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 31 2013 01:44 Firestorm wrote: The psychology of playing an unranked game isn't really any different than playing a ranked one? Its the lack of a punishment/reward system. You lose points when you lose, gain points when you win. This is too much pressure for most people--even if it's fake pressure. Play poker with money, play poker without money. Different feel in both games. Play poker with chips, play poker without chips (no money involved), different feel in both games. | ||
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cactusjack914
United States183 Posts
i like to play as long as i am improving, no matter how many losses i take. if i keep losing and i cant figure out why i stop playing because it becomes frustrating rather than entertainment This. If you want to rephrase your question to "how do I stay motivated to do things I dont enjoy?". My answer would be find something you like about it or stop doing it. | ||
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breath
United States199 Posts
Don't have a good solution besides get a second account for the days where you can win a game i start losing a bunch in a row i jump on over to my second account and that helps.But i agree with some of the people above, turn on some music, grab a drink and just hit that find match button ! | ||
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RacerX
United States168 Posts
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arkedos
Germany1426 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
I don't suffer ladder anxiety. I just don't force myself to play Starcraft longer than my interest holds. These days that's about 5-7 games or so. Who cares if you win or lose so long as you enjoy what you do. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 31 2013 02:39 ReachTheSky wrote: Well for me personally, If i don't feel like playing I won't play. I'm not gonna force myself. I haven't played since hots beta and don't really have a desire to. If you aren't motivated to play a game for fun(games are for fun) then why force yourself? Ladder anxiety is not a lack of desire to play the game--it is a desire to play the game conflicting with an unbearably amount of stress either before, during, and/or after any given game. The confusing feelings is what causes people to start these threads. If they simply didn't have fun, that would be easy. The problem is that they *still* want to play the game. | ||
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
I usually have the opposite problem though. If i start to play its hard to stop, cant really do just one or two games. It will always be more in the end :/ | ||
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Blacklizard
United States1194 Posts
And for the answer, Conan said it best. To crush your enemies — See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women! | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 31 2013 02:49 ROOTFayth wrote: I tried unranked and it doesn't even seem to work, you just play vs huge scrubs most of the time, doesn't seem to take into account ur MMR The problem is that it does...  | ||
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
On May 31 2013 02:49 ROOTFayth wrote: I tried unranked and it doesn't even seem to work, you just play vs huge scrubs most of the time, doesn't seem to take into account ur MMR It works like normal matchmaking, but you start at the beginnign again and play bronze players at first. It sucks a bit, but after a few games you play your normal skilllevel. Its like starting a new account i think. | ||
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fdsdfg
United States1251 Posts
On May 31 2013 02:55 Cri du Chat wrote: It works like normal matchmaking, but you start at the beginnign again and play bronze players at first. It sucks a bit, but after a few games you play your normal skilllevel. Its like starting a new account i think. I disagree. Most people choose unranked because they want to try a race they usually don't, or some goofy strat that probably won't work. You almost never get a 'normal' game in unranked because almost nobody is playing their best. If they were on their game, they'd be playing ranked. In my opinion, there's no cure to ladder anxiety if you're afraid of losing. You just have to not be afraid of losing. The worst thing that can happen is if you're almost #1, so you pull lots of tricks in games and maybe cheese players you know are better. You hit that rank and you're happy, but now you have to face even better players, and your 'standard' game is lagging behind. The only thing you can do here is shrug, say 'it happens', and play your best standard game when it suits you, and cheese when it suits you. Just trust the ranking system and don't think too much about your WL | ||
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frontline-
Bulgaria281 Posts
I just can't motivate myself to play and improve. | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
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KhaliWear
Canada159 Posts
Chin tucks neck stretches, all directs hold for 30 seconds each do it 3 times. upper back work outs. This will all increase your posture and gaming endurance. You will feel better, hence game better Good gaming! | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On May 31 2013 02:49 ROOTFayth wrote: I tried unranked and it doesn't even seem to work, you just play vs huge scrubs most of the time, doesn't seem to take into account ur MMR It keeps a separate MMR | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
Usually been around in Plat in WoL and top Dia for Hots but so much takes the air out of you. Depending on what time you play at you will face MUCH better opponents, plats, masters and a defeat to the first one always hurts more even if I tell myself that his rank doesn't matter, it's all about the MMR. Today after a nice 6games losing streak, because I didn't focus I just wanted to play for fun I decided to drop my MMR heavily, going down into gold(but still a high plat MMR) and I feel like I can have fun while playing. I don't have to focus 100% if I dont want to, it can still sometimes get challenging if a Protoss is being a Protoss and just stomps over you so you have to get into the zone fast before defeat. Imo you cant motivate yourself if you don't have fun doing something, Starcraft isn't something like a job that you have to go to to make money, it should only be about fun. If you rather just joke around in low leagues instead of the top, thats totally ok. Trying way too hard will only make yourself frustrated and could affect your real life negatively, so rather say "fuck you Starcraft I wont touch you again for a week" than letting it affect you and maybe even those around you. + Show Spoiler + I don't very often get tilted but when a certain race can be totally safe for allins while setting up for macro/mid timing attacks AND doing so with half your own APM.. I just want to punch a hole in my concrete walls.. | ||
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
On May 31 2013 03:04 fdsdfg wrote: I disagree. Most people choose unranked because they want to try a race they usually don't, or some goofy strat that probably won't work. You almost never get a 'normal' game in unranked because almost nobody is playing their best. If they were on their game, they'd be playing ranked. In my opinion, there's no cure to ladder anxiety if you're afraid of losing. You just have to not be afraid of losing. The worst thing that can happen is if you're almost #1, so you pull lots of tricks in games and maybe cheese players you know are better. You hit that rank and you're happy, but now you have to face even better players, and your 'standard' game is lagging behind. The only thing you can do here is shrug, say 'it happens', and play your best standard game when it suits you, and cheese when it suits you. Just trust the ranking system and don't think too much about your WL But you play mostly vs people who play ranked as unranked. Its not really seperate. At least when i tried it 8/10 of my opponents played ranked ladder. | ||
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DarkSource
United States1 Post
lol, I used to think that's what they were saying too! | ||
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 31 2013 03:27 Tobblish wrote: I've been trying to get into Masters, I've always told myself that I could do it if I played enough. Usually been around in Plat in WoL and top Dia for Hots but so much takes the air out of you. Depending on what time you play at you will face MUCH better opponents, plats, masters and a defeat to the first one always hurts more even if I tell myself that his rank doesn't matter, it's all about the MMR. Today after a nice 6games losing streak, because I didn't focus I just wanted to play for fun I decided to drop my MMR heavily, going down into gold(but still a high plat MMR) and I feel like I can have fun while playing. I don't have to focus 100% if I dont want to, it can still sometimes get challenging if a Protoss is being a Protoss and just stomps over you so you have to get into the zone fast before defeat. Imo you cant motivate yourself if you don't have fun doing something, Starcraft isn't something like a job that you have to go to to make money, it should only be about fun. If you rather just joke around in low leagues instead of the top, thats totally ok. Trying way too hard will only make yourself frustrated and could affect your real life negatively, so rather say "fuck you Starcraft I wont touch you again for a week" than letting it affect you and maybe even those around you. + Show Spoiler + I don't very often get tilted but when a certain race can be totally safe for allins while setting up for macro/mid timing attacks AND doing so with half your own APM.. I just want to punch a hole in my concrete walls.. Never punch a concrete wall. A sledge swung like a golf club striking the base of the wall is much more satisfying and allows you to topple down the whole wall in one shove once you've destabilized the base. | ||
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
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DoubleB
Germany870 Posts
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MassTank
Italy21 Posts
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Juice!
Belgium295 Posts
Seriously tho, if you need the motivation, you somewhere deep inside not like the game. | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On May 31 2013 02:55 Cri du Chat wrote: It works like normal matchmaking, but you start at the beginnign again and play bronze players at first. It sucks a bit, but after a few games you play your normal skilllevel. Its like starting a new account i think. Yup, think of it as two separate MMRs - one for ranked and one for unranked. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
For the nasty psychological confusion that slips itself in there, here are some threads on that How to fix tilt (Building Stress) Make the Head Space The "Psych" approach (Take out ego, only so many W/L combinations) Genuinely hope it helps you! | ||
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SomethingWitty
Canada94 Posts
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
i find motivation in a few things: 1. watching top pros play this game. reminds me of how far i have to go and how incredibly complex this game is. reminds me of how lazy I am as a player in scouting/map control/etc and i see it as a challenge to improve 2. sc2 is an incredible game and playing it so much doesn't blind me of that. in most players minds, we can envision the absolute perfect game we can play (zero mistakes) even though we can simultaneously understand it's impossible. i get a sort of existentialist pleasure from nitpicking through my games, strategies and opponents to help chase this impossible goal. but there is pleasure in the pursuit. hard to explain this one :p 3. the ability to take a break. most people i have seen have a problem taking a break because they fear they will lsoe their skills quickly. even if it's only a few days. I have taken week and month long breaks from this game and come back at the same level, despite my mechanics failing i can think more clearly about the game and straetgy, and i'll win games i wouldn't even think were possible before. @OP i hope this helps you.. if you have motivation issues playing sc2 it is probably not right for you. sometimes you just have to think "yolo" and play the game for the fun of it. this is an incredibly challenging/intellectually stimulating game. Just be glad we are not birds so bored of life in a cage that we chomp at our own feathers for entertainment. this is the pinnacle of strategy games in the modern time, enjoy it | ||
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furerkip
United States439 Posts
For the record I've only played 12 1v1 games this season lol | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
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XupinatoR
Spain125 Posts
So yeah, i'm motivated by wins and trying to improve xD | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
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mnck
Denmark1518 Posts
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breakit
United States29 Posts
By simply getting better at scouting and focusing on knowing what your opponent is doing, you can relax a TON more in this game. Knowing what is coming and losing to it is fine, you can look back and say, I shouldn't have taken my third so quick, I needed more barracks/gateways/spines, whatever. On the other hand, without scouting well, it IS nerve racking to have a flock of mutas hit your mineral line when you move out, or when you simply aren't prepared for it. Knowing is 90% of the battle. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
I wouldn't call it anxiety of playing 1v1's, but sometimes I lose a game where I'm virtually ahead in every category only to lose because of a really bad engagement or something. When that stuff used to happen, I would sit at the menu screen and soil over my loss, but now, I just jump into a team game. The process of playing another game always makes me get over what just happened in the 1v1. | ||
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Efemral
Australia67 Posts
I don't really care what other people think of my SC2 league. The real issue is that I care. I'm really quite good at many other games and tend to rank very highly. RTS on the other hand is a real struggle for me. And so I have this striving to get better at this game. It's like it's that really tough nut - you really want to crack it and so despite banging your thumb over and over again you just keep trying. For those who say the game should only be played for fun: Darn right - but what is 'fun' for you may not be 'fun' for others. For me improving is a large aspect of the fun, especially in a game like this. And so therein lies the trap. I want to try hard to win - and when I lose 7 times in a row it gets very frustrating. No longer fun at all. But I still have that drive to get better so that I can recapture that fun. So that's why this thread is a good one. I need reasons to keep trying. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
I do find its easier to be motivated to ladder in mass when I have something build order wise that I want to perfect in each matchup. When I'm at a wtf do I do vs ____ race mindset laddering is shitty. I do think it would help some people that have this issue if they could hit hide ladder match history, rank, and league. Blizzard could just put a barcode for your name on any ladder you are in and then not show it in your profile. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
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kaluro
Netherlands760 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:03 Tubbzie wrote: It's ridiculously easy to find yourself sat with the StarCraft II menu open, but simply not playing. Whether it's ladder anxiety, rage or just straight procrastination I notice that half the time I spend 'on' StarCraft, I'm actually just putting off laddering or practising. What do you, personally, do to motivate yourself to hit the button and get into a game. Maybe you've had a rough few games, maybe you've been cheesed to Hell, or simply you're just not in the mood. What is it that you do to get yourself into gear to start ownin' 'dem nubs? Tubbzie. Are you a professional starcraft 2 gamer? Do you in any other way or form make money through starcraft 2? (casting, streaming etc.) Do you have future goals to sustain yourself finanicially through starcraft 2? If the above 3 are answered with 'no', why would you want to motivate yourself to play starcraft 2? It's a game, games are meant for fun, using up your free time in an entertaining matter. If I have to forcefully motivate myself to play starcraft 2 or any other game, I would just stop playing it instead. Because obviously, the game no longer has enough entertainment value for me. If I have ladder anxiety or am tilting etc. There's obviously something wrong, since the game is emotionally getting to me, while there aren't any outside stress-marks involved, such as having to perform etc. No financial gain or future goals from a game + not being able to play normally or enjoy it -> Stop playing. | ||
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Locke-
499 Posts
On May 31 2013 03:53 Juice! wrote: If you need to motivate yourself for a game .. stop playing that game. Seriously tho, if you need the motivation, you somewhere deep inside not like the game. Basically this. I don't understand why people make such a big deal about "oh my god guys I don't feel like playing Starcraft, what do I do?". If you don't feel like playing just don't play... | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On June 20 2013 19:30 Locke- wrote: Basically this. I don't understand why people make such a big deal about "oh my god guys I don't feel like playing Starcraft, what do I do?". If you don't feel like playing just don't play... This is pretty simply actually. You value some things, you want them - still, you know you need to put in effort to achieve them. You want to run a marathon - you need to motivate yourself to wake up earlier and run on a regular basis for a couple of months. You want to be a good guitar player - you need to motivate yourself to practice scales, timing, precision picking instead of just fooling around and rockin' your heart out. You want to improve/maintain your SC2 skills - you need to play to the best of your abilities. And if you do so - bad things will happen. You will be matched vs better opponents and lose. Even worse, you should look at the replay and see the guy stomp you once again, relive your own failures. "Playing the game" is not the goal - at least not for me. Playing a good game - well, that is something else. In order to play a good game I need to be matched with a better player, I need the game to be close, I need to feel that I'm playing well and I need to win. To play a good game I need to go through some bad ones and some mediocre ones. This is where some motivation comes in handy. | ||
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alpenrahm
Germany628 Posts
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Axxis
United States133 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3672 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:32 partydude89 wrote: I play unranked now. i really does help Really? I don't even see the point of that excisting I haven't used it once. If you have ladder anxiety just realise that your ladder rank is completly meaningless. I get myself to play by having the desire to improve and generally enjoying the game itself (or atleast focusing on the aspects of the game I don't find to be really poorly designed). Also practicing for something (like an online cup, or a small tournament you do with your friends or just finally beating that one dude you always lost against) or just running more customs to focus on individual matchups helps as well. | ||
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TXRaunchy
United States131 Posts
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JSK
United States133 Posts
On June 20 2013 22:32 TXRaunchy wrote: get stoned and play. and lose every game when you forget what build you were doing, forget what you scouted, get supply blocked constantly, and think that really bad strats sound really cool and viable | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On June 20 2013 22:34 JSK wrote: and lose every game when you forget what build you were doing, forget what you scouted, get supply blocked constantly, and think that really bad strats sound really cool and viable I totally agree :D | ||
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FetTerBender
Germany1393 Posts
On June 20 2013 22:34 JSK wrote: and lose every game when you forget what build you were doing, forget what you scouted, get supply blocked constantly, and think that really bad strats sound really cool and viable Thats more drunk play, not stoned play. Stoned is pretty much: Feels like playing slow-motion, IRL you are really slow. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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Juice!
Belgium295 Posts
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On June 20 2013 22:35 FetTerBender wrote: Thats more drunk play, not stoned play. Stoned is pretty much: Feels like playing slow-motion, IRL you are really slow. Oh man im so focused when im drunk. It's just I always feel I'm in a position I can all in and win | ||
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TXRaunchy
United States131 Posts
On June 20 2013 23:09 Douillos wrote: Oh man im so focused when im drunk. It's just I always feel I'm in a position I can all in and win TBH, i focus much better stoned. I got promoted from plat to diamond while high, haha. | ||
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MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
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SpiritSTR
Brazil41 Posts
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synd
Bulgaria586 Posts
However it's hard to enjoy SC2 when you play Dota2 and it's much easier (not skill-wise) to enjoy. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
I really hate that everyone are trying to steal strageties of pros and play this against me an then asking me what they did wrong at end of the game. Ofc waay too predicable adn very easy to win against these people if they steal strats of pros. | ||
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intense555
United States474 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:30 Mortal wrote: What's your why? If you don't have one, you won't play. If you do, you will. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19214 Posts
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:03 Tubbzie wrote: It's ridiculously easy to find yourself sat with the StarCraft II menu open, but simply not playing. Whether it's ladder anxiety, rage or just straight procrastination I notice that half the time I spend 'on' StarCraft, I'm actually just putting off laddering or practising. What do you, personally, do to motivate yourself to hit the button and get into a game. Maybe you've had a rough few games, maybe you've been cheesed to Hell, or simply you're just not in the mood. What is it that you do to get yourself into gear to start ownin' 'dem nubs? Tubbzie. Small digression here, I don't want to derail this thread. + Show Spoiler + Ladder anxiety, procrastination, I always hear these reasons for not playing Starcraft. I've to say, one of the other big factor at least for me is that playing Starcraft 2 = lost time in the long-term. Unlike sports, playing instruments, studying/working, you do not actually benefits from playing Starcraft 2 other than acquiring a short-term skill which is not exactly rewarded and considered highly by society. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19214 Posts
On June 21 2013 00:46 SiroKO wrote: Small digression here, I don't want to derail this thread. + Show Spoiler + Ladder anxiety, procrastination, I always hear these reasons for not playing Starcraft. I've to say, one of the other big factor at least for me is that playing Starcraft 2 = lost time in the long-term. Unlike sports, playing instruments, studying/working, you do not actually benefits from playing Starcraft 2 other than acquiring a short-term skill which is not exactly rewarded and considered highly by society. Your derailment is a perfect point for motivation however. In the old bnet back in SC1 days and even WC3 a game that I failed at in multiplayer, I was totally motivated because the social aspect of bnet was really really good and I was always meeting people to talk with, trash talk, or troll. Those were the times man. Back when saying let's settle this in a 1v1 was acceptable and wouldn't get you ignored. Back when hiding building on the map was possible when you knew there was no way you could beat your opponent so you resort to the mind games (through trash talk) while hiding a tree in the woods. That kind of stuff motivated me and was totally long term benefiting because I have many online friends still and the nostalgic conversations I have with coworkers is great. So SC2 should be able to offer similar benefits for the gamers out there. | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On June 21 2013 00:46 SiroKO wrote: Small digression here, I don't want to derail this thread. + Show Spoiler + Ladder anxiety, procrastination, I always hear these reasons for not playing Starcraft. I've to say, one of the other big factor at least for me is that playing Starcraft 2 = lost time in the long-term. Unlike sports, playing instruments, studying/working, you do not actually benefits from playing Starcraft 2 other than acquiring a short-term skill which is not exactly rewarded and considered highly by society. Your view of SC2 is short-sighted, I find it incredibly funny that you compare it to things such as sports and playing instruments to prove that it's worthless. In my opinion, it is exactly the same as those. If you play it with a positive attitude, it changes the way you approach unfamiliar situations. You scouted a Terran going rax > gas then lost your scout. How do you handle the situation? You eliminate things you know he CAN'T be doing, then try to infer what he IS doing based on what information you have available in front of you. This small skill, which you should be practicing every single game of StarCraft helps with: interpersonal relationships, office politics, dealing with strangers, troubleshooting computer equipment, and countless other tasks the average person does on a daily basis. Games like BW changed the way I thought when I was younger. It made me a more competitive person, which I really needed, and helps me to see through the BS of daily life and pick out the bits of information that matters when dealing with hostile people. It gives me an edge on others in my career field because they don't see things quite as fast as I do based on the smallest bits of information. I play SC2 because I simply love playing the game. Experimenting with builds, making people rage because "Your race is so fucking stupid" etc etc etc. The whole act of the game is a fun and relaxing thing IMO, much like working out the tough part of a song on the piano. Does it matter at the end of the day? No. Am I a better person for having refined my play as much as I possibly can. I like to think so. In the smallest way, I am working on myself, not my game, and that's why I find the game incredibly fun. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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Vault Boy
Germany131 Posts
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thezanursic
5478 Posts
Got to diamond on NA ladder via only making reapers - and 3 marines by mistake (They got executed) | ||
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McRatyn
Poland901 Posts
For me there's this near narcotic need to win from time to time, i cannot just play the games to have fun cause the only really fun moment for me is the winning screen. When that does not happen for extended periods of time (i.e. when i started to play some BW since march) i become a rage machine and its not very nice. So i guess for me the motivation is: "Maybe this time i'll win" and i play again | ||
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scCassius
United States254 Posts
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
I'm guilty of chillin' in the menus between urges to play, but usually, it's because I'm watching Starcraft and online in case a friend logs in. Motivating myself to play is pretty easy as long as I have some smoke, some smokes and feel physically & mentally fit to play. | ||
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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:08 Sated wrote: Unranked is a glorious thing. I emphasise this | ||
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