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RinconH
United States512 Posts
Essentially, playing SC2 - while not hurting my wrist - makes it feel fatigued, which affects my jumpshot playing basketball. Anyone have a mouse or wrist rest they use that they've found effective at reducing this problem? I'm currently using a Microsoft Intellipoint 3000 and one of those IMAK ergonomic beanbag wrist rests. | ||
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Archile
United States403 Posts
I found this link a while back in a reddit post : http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/md55.htm | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Do a set of stretches (takes like ~30 seconds to 1 min) after every hour of using the computer (or doing anything else wrist-intensive) | ||
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Conut
Canada1026 Posts
Also just doing simple stretches will help you alot, after a game or two just make sure you stretch it out. | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/carpal-tunnel/proper-hand-and-wrist-position-for-mouse-and-trackball-use | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17411 Posts
On April 29 2013 12:43 Archile wrote: more effective than getting a mouse pad (although helpful) would to be doing some target excercise on your wrists, such as wrist curls etc. I found this link a while back in a reddit post : http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/md55.htm see a licensed physiotherapist specializing in sports medicine. preferably 1 who works at a physio clinic with an orthopedic surgeon in charge of the whole operation. they should direct you towards an exercise program that will solve your problem. myself, i like IronMind and StrongLifts.com http://www.ironmind.com/ http://stronglifts.com/ but, this kind of advice is not a replacement for what a physiotherapist and/or orthopedic surgeon assessment can give u. | ||
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LingBlingBling
United States353 Posts
Have good posture, normal health care, exercise like every other person and you should be golden. No need to go all out or anything. Reason Pros have wrist issues is because it's their job and they play for years for 12 hours or more every single day. Just like pitches in baseball can throw their arm/shoulders out. For us normal folk, using common sense and keeping good health should be plenty. How often do you play everyday? take breaks after few hours ect. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
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RinconH
United States512 Posts
On April 29 2013 13:31 LingBlingBling wrote: Just using common sense, if you are not a Pro Gamer and don't have to play 12 hours a day you should not be having issues. Have good posture, normal health care, exercise like every other person and you should be golden. No need to go all out or anything. Reason Pros have wrist issues is because it's their job and they play for years for 12 hours or more every single day. Just like pitches in baseball can throw their arm/shoulders out. For us normal folk, using common sense and keeping good health should be plenty. How often do you play everyday? take breaks after few hours ect. I don't really play all too much... maybe 60-70min a day tops and not every day. Perhaps I just have weak wrists. Thanks for all the advice thus far. | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
This is how I like to warm up for a long play session. First I soak my wrists in a basin of hot water, then I run through my stretches, and then I play - starting out slowly. As I get into the groove (happens naturally) that is when I'll speed up to full. Every hour I'll go soak my hands in hot water again, and then do a couple basic stretches. Then back to playing. Hot water really loosens up the fingers and the wrists - it can help reduce pain and aggravation before play. If you're feeling sore while not playing, do the opposite. Soak your wrists in cold water, wear a wrist brace (Ace is a good brand) when not playing (I use it for my keyboard hand, as it is under way more stress than my mouse hand - all problems with your mouse hand are solved with good positioning/posture). Remember that these are supplemental and are no excuse for proper posture, positioning, stretching and practice. Remember to be loose. Don't hunch up - don't flex or strain your fingers (I always picture long, spindly spider hands). + Show Spoiler + Some backstory - when I was first starting out I was very stupid. Do not think that your posture/positioning is better than established Korean norms. I thought it was better for me to hold my hands suspended above the board and a bunch of other stuff - I basically did the opposite of what you SHOULD do. So much so that I upset the ligaments in the top of my wrist. The pain was, for a long period of time, unbearable, so I took a long break from playing. When I came back, I practiced proper habits (along with improving my mechanics over a period of a year). Soaking my hands in hot water is a lifesaver - same for cold when not playing). So is the wrist brace I picked up at RiteAid for $10. Wear it whenever you are not playing, run through stretches, and thoroughly learn your limits. When the pain is gone again you can start pushing yourself. | ||
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dicedicerevolution
United States245 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405788¤tpage=3#51 You can check out the posts in the thread by between me and blueslobster for more stuff. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
I started out with a cheap one (~50€) which only had the basic movements, but later on I got a Wacom (~250€) with a lot better customization. This was a necessity for me because I work as layouter for books and it actually improved the work as well. For a tablet it isnt necessary to get a really big one and even a small one - mine is A5 size - works well. The difficult part is getting used to the different movements like tipping the pen instead of a left-click and using the button on the pen for the rightclick. | ||
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Matt_D_
Australia14 Posts
- avoid isolated motion. - move your forearm/wrist as a unit - everything should flow together. get someone to video you playing basketball, and watch what your wrist does when you play. are you shooting from the wrist only? use that whole arm man, not just your wrist. same goes for using a mouse, or a kb, be like an old dot matrix printer head, move everything together. | ||
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Matt_D_
Australia14 Posts
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On April 29 2013 12:41 RinconH wrote: I'm currently using a Microsoft Intellipoint 3000 and one of those IMAK ergonomic beanbag wrist rests. What sensitivity do you play with? Too high of a sensitivity can cause hand injuries. dicedicerevolution already provided you with a link to a discussion regarding this relationship. Chances are your sensitivity is set too high; reduce it and stick with it for at least a few weeks. On April 29 2013 12:41 RinconH wrote: Anyone have a mouse or wrist rest they use that they've found effective at reducing this problem? Concerning a wrist rest: I don’t think a wrist rest is going to help. As conut suggested it could be even harmful. On April 29 2013 13:05 Nerski wrote: http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/carpal-tunnel/proper-hand-and-wrist-position-for-mouse-and-trackball-use I don’t like the picture of the supposedly correct mouse holding technique this website provides. It looks like the hand is floating above the mousepad, in order to achieve a neutral wrist position. That of course is not a realistic grip technique for playing SC 2, but it definitely helps with Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. ;P In order to achieve a more neutral wrist position I would suggest using a mouse which isn’t as high as your current mouse is. | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On April 29 2013 12:44 sylverfyre wrote: Stretch your wrists regularly as well. (Related but not exactly the same thing) Do a set of stretches (takes like ~30 seconds to 1 min) after every hour of using the computer (or doing anything else wrist-intensive) I always do some wrist stretching before mast.... playing SC2 | ||
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TheMaXiM
United States43 Posts
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Masayume
Netherlands208 Posts
Be very careful with stretches, especially if it's tennis,golfers elbow or wrist fatigue symptoms. The last thing you want to do is cause (more) micro tears by stretching. It is very hard to determine wether you are overstretching or not, because it feels completely different when compared to the muscles stretching. You won't quite feel the same warning signs when you overstretch your tendons. I am talking from experience here, where I had to do stretches in a physiotherapy facility, and the "expert" let me overstretch (it had to hurt a bit according to him). It set me back by at least 5 months.... I actually had to stop stretching completely, and may never stretch again until I am fully recovered from my (now) chronic tendinosis. (1 accident 2.5 years ago + failing experts and misdiagnose will do this to you, long story) This is different for each person, so make sure you get yourself checked out by a good professional. Ask around beforehand so you get someone who is really good at dealing with your specific issue. Also when doing stretches, it is better if you let the arm you are stretching hang down, as you don't put pressure on the shoulder this way, which can create other problems over time (blood flow/inflammation). A chiropractor taught me this. So instead of horizontal, go vertical! ***And to the poster above me, please stop doing that before you end up with a severe case of tendonitis that will become tendinosis if you repeat your described process. Recovery time for that is well above 6 months and it ruins your life. I got it through an accident, but YOU can prevent it from happening by listening to your body voluntarily.*** | ||
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Saumure
France404 Posts
If you check out the thread that someone just made about the APM from different progamers at Dreamhack, you will notice how little some move their right hand. All the long and excessive mouse movements you might do are taken care by the left hand, using basic and camera hotkeys. | ||
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renkin
France249 Posts
In my case I'm using a mousepad with wrist support + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://static.fnac-static.com/multimedia/images_produits/zoom/7/9/4/3303170029497.jpg) http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/carpal-tunnel/proper-hand-and-wrist-position-for-mouse-and-trackball-use I've used this for years, both at work and at home. I play SC2 and fast fps and never had any wrist problems. | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
Masayuma above may have had a bad experience, but stretching when you already HAVE an injury to a tendon can be bad and must be supervised. But good old preventative stretching won't hurt you unless you're too dumb to recognize when it's too far (and you'd probably be dead by now already if you didn't have that skill) Stretch, relax, and take breaks. Don't push it too hard. Do TLO's stretches (pull on your fingertips with your other hand and pull up, down, just until you feel a stretch in the muscles) One thing not mentioned, is strength exercises Buy yourself a weight, for most people about 8-10lbs, and place your forearm flat on your thigh with your hand hanging off and pointing down. grasp the weight and do three sets of 10-12 reps of lifting that weight all the way up from bottom to top. Then do it the other way by just flipping your arm over. When I first started lifting, my forearms were strong, but my wrists were unbelievably weak. They'd crack and make all sorts of horrible noises. through low intensity exercise (essentially what I described above) you will build not only your forearm muscles, but the stabilizing muscles around your wrists. | ||
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Masayume
Netherlands208 Posts
Can't stress this enough because it's so important and overlooked. Thanks for the great post Honeybadger! And here's a nice and interesting video about forearm strength training from an expert on the subject with many years of experience (If you already have pain, go see a professional and don't try anything yourself!): | ||
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