EPTMp3 on their page :
http://thehandsomenerd.com/2013/05/22/meta-episode-5/
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renkin
France249 Posts
Mp3 on their page : http://thehandsomenerd.com/2013/05/22/meta-episode-5/ | ||
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Meow-Meow
Germany451 Posts
Cheers mate! | ||
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khanan
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
-) At 22mins sympatico shows us what happens when you try to pull a widow mine: nothing. This is wrong! What happened there was that he did not bring detection. He could target the widow mine (as he was playing both parties), but the spell requires the unit to be detected! If you bring an overseer the mine gets pulled and is unburrowed at its new location. (edit: he corrects this later in that episode) -) 2Vipers pulling each other is possible. They just switch locations. (and it looks hilarious) -) a Viper pulling anything that is channeling something (like a phoenix channeling graviton beam, or the unit that gets lifted by it) will cancel that channeling. In particular, a lifted unit gets pulled and falls to the ground and a phoenix gets pulled and the lifted unit falls to the ground. Same is true of course for any other channeling abilities like Yamato Canon or Snipe which get canceled. (note that there is a difference between a channeling ability, and a temporary burff like medivac speed or void ray charge) -) a Viper pulling something cancels all orders given, including movements, amove, patrol, and hold position. -) a Viper pulling a speed medivac does (ofc) not cancel the speed boost. However it does cancel the movement order, so to take advantage of the extra speed, the medivac has to be given a new movement order. -) a Viper pulling a burrowed unit does pull it out of the ground. This also applies to moving targets such as roaches or infestors (and the movecommands are canceled). -) a Viper pulling a cloaked unit from inside detection range to outside of detection range will pull it the full distance. hm... have I forgotten anything interesting?  Ah, and as they were discussing ultimate compositions in ZvZ in Epsiode 5 and mass swarm hosts keeps coming up: 12 3-5 ultras on amove vs 24 3-3 swarm hosts isn't even close, they just eat through those locusts and combined with transfusions and mass creep (which the swarm host player initiates!) and vipers which blind the locusts and pull the swarm hosts, I could see this breaking a mass swarm host player, even if he supports his hosts properly and runs them back etc... Edit: On May 23 2013 01:44 Chronos. wrote: @Big J, Sympatico does correct his mistake later in the show later in the episode and shows that a Viper can pull a widow mine out of the ground, stating that some viewers informed him of it. Anyway, everything on your list is right. I really love exploring interesting new units too =) ty! | ||
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Chronos.
United States805 Posts
Anyway, everything on your list is right. I really love exploring interesting new units too =) | ||
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HystericaLaughter
Australia720 Posts
wouldn't have known that without meta | ||
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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
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Account252508
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RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
On May 23 2013 01:23 khanan wrote: 3 zergs? no thanks. not to rain on meta, but the bias is just too much. Are you serious? They are talking about metagame in the zerg perspective. The bias is really the point of the discussion. If you see it from the other side you can figure out what zerg's like and dislike, make your play better. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
Otherwise, I love the show. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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On May 25 2013 10:42 TRaFFiC wrote: Idra and Iaguz both refuse to GG. So hard to take anything they say about balance and the meta seriously when they are "closet ragers". Otherwise, I love the show. People like you deserve to be made fun of, therefore, please allow me to indulge. First, I'd like to see you flesh out that argument, add a few logical steps between the premise and conclusion: X and Y don't GG -> they are bad at discussing balance. So what goes where the arrow is now? The real difficulty arises when you try to conclude the conjunction of balance and the meta, as these two are very different, yet you're now committed to having argument which focuses on their intersection. Second, what is the meaning of "closet X"? For example, "coming out of the closet" for gay people means that you no longer hide the fact that you are gay. This is the origin of the phrase "closet queen" which, I'm assuming, you are trying to invoke here. Yet, if they do not GG, it's a public act, which you interpret as rage. But if it's public rage, how can it be closet rage? Mmmh? | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 25 2013 10:42 TRaFFiC wrote: Idra and Iaguz both refuse to GG. So hard to take anything they say about balance and the meta seriously when they are "closet ragers". Otherwise, I love the show. LOL I just learned something new. You don't gg = you can't be taken seriously. hahaha that is the funniest load of bullshit lol. While I agree Idra is a bit biased, you can't go by "oh this player doesn't gg so you can't take anything he says about balance and the meta seriously". Like really I can't believe you actually believe that... | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1669 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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dreamsmasher
816 Posts
On May 25 2013 10:42 TRaFFiC wrote: Idra and Iaguz both refuse to GG. So hard to take anything they say about balance and the meta seriously when they are "closet ragers". Otherwise, I love the show. just because someone doesn't gg doesn't mean anything. i don't gg either, i don't get angry, i just don't really care to gg, its a waste of time. people rarely gg in any other game, why should it extend to starcraft. its hard to take you seriously as an intelligent person when you harbor this opinion. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
An example: The Forcefield (and Blink) is a requirement only because Stalkers really suck against massive numbers of Zerglings or Marines and you can do nothing with regular micro (as you can pre-Zergling speed and pre-Stimpack). The Stalker is the biggest infantry unit hit point wise and should be able to kill / survive (i.e. flee) against a bigger number of these smaller units, but due to the "critical numbers mechanic" of the movement and unit selection mechanic that doesnt work. So the right fix would be to adjust the number of units on the battlefield engaged in a fight with each other by reducing the density of units. Once that is done to get rid of "overwhelming critical numbers focus fire on bigger units" Protoss do not need the Forcefield anymore. Trying to fix the game by only changing units is an exercise in futility ... so the whole discussion seems to be moot. ----- On "not reactive playstyle" (Protoss) I would assume that is the fault of the Korean tournament style where you meticulously plan and prepare a build order against a known opponent for a week. They really need to change to a more "MLG- / Dreamhack-Style" of NOT knowing who the next opponent will be OR having to play multiple opponents/races on the same day. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On May 25 2013 10:42 TRaFFiC wrote: Idra and Iaguz both refuse to GG. So hard to take anything they say about balance and the meta seriously when they are "closet ragers". Otherwise, I love the show. closet huh? | ||
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Ygritte
Austria51 Posts
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