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Qikz
United Kingdom12065 Posts
On April 23 2013 22:13 Uni1987 wrote: Are you fucking kidding me? http://nios.kr/ Checked the top recently? ^ Have you seen who qualified for WCS in europe? Only terrans and protoss.. Get a grip. All the good zergs in Europe were already invited dude. | ||
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Sissors
1395 Posts
On April 23 2013 22:13 Uni1987 wrote: Are you fucking kidding me? http://nios.kr/ Checked the top recently? ^ Have you seen who qualified for WCS in europe? Only terrans and protoss.. Get a grip. Yeah because all the zerg were already invited. Zerg is still the most played race and also at the pro level doing fine. Learn to play and learn to scout. You cant bitch in a mirror match-up its a skill thing Just because it is a mirror doesn't mean there can't be balance problems. That said imo in TvT hellbats aren't a problem at all. Both in drops and just as part of the army there are good counters. | ||
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Baum
Germany1010 Posts
On April 23 2013 22:06 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: Buffing spores isn't a bright idea. If they want to affect nothing but the ZvZ meta, why not give the +bio damage to hydras, fungal (vs bio-air only) or infested terrans ? Sc2 is full of special rules anyway, at this point they can keep expanding. Oracles, meh. Better decrease the damage and the cost, instead of having that glass cannon. Burrow change leaves me kinda indifferent. Hellbats need a damage nerf. Usually, in RTS games, speed movement and range are negatively corrrelated. In the hellbats case, both are low and they compensate it with a huge dps. I'd rather have a faster and less powerful hellbat at this point, one that allows you to maneuver around your siege tanks line, rather than having this sluggish but insanely powerful unit. I don't think speed movement and range correlate all that much honestly most units just have mediocre speed and mediocre range. On the other hand low ranged units have high damage outputs. Since the hellbat is supposed to be a tanky unit I think it's good that it lacks mobility since the hellion is supposed to be the mobile version of the hellbat. | ||
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
There's my gold league two cents. | ||
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Baum
Germany1010 Posts
On April 23 2013 22:32 lorestarcraft wrote: Haha, all the whiners... if you are dying to oracles then the problem is YOU. And YOU should feel bad about YOUR skill and go make YOUR play better. I like all these changes. Oracles are a huge investment and movement speed is not that big of a buff anyway, after all, they buffed the speed and health regen of mutas, which are a massable unit. It's a huge buff in the early game. It means proxy oracle arrive even earlier and it means you can now kill marines and get out to regen shields and go again with the second oracle which will result in more free wins. It will probably do absolutely nothing to make the oracle a viable mid game harassing unit. So it's a stupid change because it would do what protoss players complain about all the time making a gimmicky unit better at being gimmicky but not giving it more usability in longer games. | ||
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Sissors
1395 Posts
On April 23 2013 22:06 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: Hellbats need a damage nerf. Usually, in RTS games, speed movement and range are negatively corrrelated. In the hellbats case, both are low and they compensate it with a huge dps. I'd rather have a faster and less powerful hellbat at this point, one that allows you to maneuver around your siege tanks line, rather than having this sluggish but insanely powerful unit. We could maybe call that unit a hellion? (Which are imo atm underrated) | ||
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MateShade
Australia736 Posts
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Decrith
Philippines46 Posts
On April 23 2013 22:39 Baum wrote: It's a huge buff in the early game. It means proxy oracle arrive even earlier and it means you can now kill marines and get out to regen shields and go again with the second oracle which will result in more free wins. It will probably do absolutely nothing to make the oracle a viable mid game harassing unit. So it's a stupid change because it would do what protoss players complain about all the time making a gimmicky unit better at being gimmicky but not giving it more usability in longer games. Having an oracle 5 seconds earlier than usual isn't gonna make that big of a difference. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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JazVM
Germany1196 Posts
I really like the fact that they try to give Z a chance for early agression aswell as another way of playing ZvZ. However I don't understand the oracle change and most importantly I don't get why they dont even mention a) medivac speed, b)hellbat (overall) and c) widow mine (probably fine though). | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On April 23 2013 22:53 Gladiator333 wrote: I hope this fix will help protoss in Code S. No it wont. Oracle speed is a one trick pony. They get the odd build order win here and there, but fundamentally the unit is too gas heavy and has poor utility ( its other spells dont other nothing new). | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On April 23 2013 22:42 Sissors wrote: We could maybe call that unit a hellion? (Which are imo atm underrated) Yeah the hellion is a great meatshield, as we've seen in wol | ||
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
On April 23 2013 22:55 JazVM wrote: WCS, Korean invasion, waiting to balance for x amount of time and now this patch. Blizzard is nuts these days. I really like the fact that they try to give Z a chance for early agression aswell as another way of playing ZvZ. However I don't understand the oracle change and most importantly I don't get why they dont even mention a) medivac speed, b)hellbat (overall) and c) widow mine (probably fine though). because Life is crushing terran so easily... I think blizzard is doing the right thing... just wait and zerg will dominate again | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
hahaha! I was thinking the same thing while reading that  I'm like... uhhh pretty sure that unit already exists XP | ||
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Baum
Germany1010 Posts
On April 23 2013 22:58 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: Yeah the hellion is a great meatshield, as we've seen in wol You cannot have both mobility and tankyness at the same time. On April 23 2013 22:52 Decrith wrote: Having an oracle 5 seconds earlier than usual isn't gonna make that big of a difference. It does. It's the difference between having 6 marines to protect your turrets going up and things spiraling out of control because of not being able to. I'm pretty confident that this change will not make it through testing. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On April 23 2013 22:55 JazVM wrote: WCS, Korean invasion, waiting to balance for x amount of time and now this patch. Blizzard is nuts these days. I really like the fact that they try to give Z a chance for early agression aswell as another way of playing ZvZ. However I don't understand the oracle change and most importantly I don't get why they dont even mention a) medivac speed, b)hellbat (overall) and c) widow mine (probably fine though). They are most likely waiting at least till the GSL code S is done before actually judging something is broken. It seems they learned from their WoL mistakes. | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On April 23 2013 23:09 Baum wrote: You cannot have both mobility and tankyness at the same time. It does. It's the difference between having 6 marines to protect your turrets going up and things spiraling out of control because of not being able to. I'm pretty confident that this change will not make it through testing. Learn to scout for proxy stargates, its no different than Zerg scouting for proxy Barracks. Terran shouldn't be immune from cheese just because they want to fast 3 CC every game | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
It should have never made it into the released game in my opinion. Either protoss deals ridiculous damage and gets a massive advantage early on or it gets countered and the protoss can only sit there while the opponent pretty much macros up no problem or amoves across the map 3-5 minutes later. Complete 1-trick pony. | ||
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