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On April 21 2013 09:15 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 08:00 1v1Alpha wrote:
JIM out of WCS, this is unacceptable blizzard. We lost a serious contender there, and also whats up with just one stream casting such a huge bracket. NASL casters could have casted, and some other ones should have as well. So many good games being missed. Hope this is not a sign of things to come. This is MLG's fault, not Blizzard. Blizzard gave the reigns of the WCS to a a tournament organizer in respective region. US: MLG Europe:ESL Korea:GOM/OGN combo Somehow, only the US side seems to falter, first with sign up fees and now with this. People were initially making a big fuss over the EU qualifiers too. The difference is they had it spread over multiple days so they could correct any problems people had because they had more time.
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So. MLG fucks Demuslim out of an invite, lets Catz lose to a known hacker, and "makes up for" inviting Koreans for the WCS NA tournament by only allowing one 512 man tournament and turning away legit players from pro-teams for the diamond noobs because, you know, they checked in first.
I'm usually the first to take to their defense, and the last person to drop the flag in defeat, but goddammit MLG. Seriously? In what world is a 512 man tourney enough? Even if it isn't all NA players, you had to have assumed that there'd be an exodus of players wanting the easy mode qualification for a WCS event.
I'm a staunch defender of the region lock, and have a serious problem with players from half-way across the world playing in a region they don't even live in, let alone visit for any solid amount of time. But if you're going to allow them in, at least have enough spots to put them all in. What in the fuck would have been the problem with a 1024 or even 2048 man bracket? You have the men to run it. Would it have really hurt you to give a couple hundred people byes into the round of 1024/512? That one, simple move would have saved this entire thread from having to be created. The trade off would have been one less screw up in exchange for your tournament admins running an admittedly larger tournament. But if you told Blizzard you would singlehandedly take care of WCS NA, guess what? You should handle WCS NA. Not half ass it like you have been.
I was already on the fence about catching the rest of the qualifiers (just got back from a prior engagement), but now I'm just going to fire up some Game of Thrones or something. I was willing to live with WCS NA actually meaning WCS Wherever, but you shot yourself in the foot after those jokes you called invites, and this just made my decision for me.
Worst part is, Blizzard is going to get flack for WCS NA being a joke, when it was MLG that screwed the dog on this one.
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On April 21 2013 10:02 Mauldo wrote:
So. MLG fucks Demuslim out of an invite, lets Catz lose to a known hacker, and "makes up for" inviting Koreans for the WCS NA tournament by only allowing one 512 man tournament and turning away legit players from pro-teams for the diamond noobs because, you know, they checked in first.
I'm usually the first to take to their defense, and the last person to drop the flag in defeat, but goddammit MLG. Seriously? In what world is a 512 man tourney enough? Even if it isn't all NA players, you had to have assumed that there'd be an exodus of players wanting the easy mode qualification for a WCS event.
I'm a staunch defender of the region lock, and have a serious problem with players from half-way across the world playing in a region they don't even live in, let alone visit for any solid amount of time. But if you're going to allow them in, at least have enough spots to put them all in. What in the fuck would have been the problem with a 1024 or even 2048 man bracket? You have the men to run it. Would it have really hurt you to give a couple hundred people byes into the round of 1024/512? That one, simple move would have saved this entire thread from having to be created. The trade off would have been one less screw up in exchange for your tournament admins running an admittedly larger tournament. But if you told Blizzard you would singlehandedly take care of WCS NA, guess what? You should handle WCS NA. Not half ass it like you have been.
I was already on the fence about catching the rest of the qualifiers (just got back from a prior engagement), but now I'm just going to fire up some Game of Thrones or something. I was willing to live with WCS NA actually meaning WCS Wherever, but you shot yourself in the foot after those jokes you called invites, and this just made my decision for me.
Worst part is, Blizzard is going to get flack for WCS NA being a joke, when it was MLG that screwed the dog on this one.
you forgot that they also checked in HyuN and later DQ'd him, could have been a spot for Jim at least 
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so there were over 4000 spots in the EU qualifiers, there are unlimited spots in the Korea qualifier, but in NA theres only 500? Makes sense.
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On April 21 2013 08:56 Blackrobe wrote:
I don't understand why these qualifiers have to be squeezed in to such small time frames.
Why not run them over a week or two...?
Because that would mean having to actually put in effort. easier for them to just do it all in one day so they can continue their own shows for the rest of the week. You know the ones only like a thousand people watch (to be fair I do like the shows but they should have cancelled them for WCS)
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If Jim doesn't get to participate in this WCS season its not really a WCS its just a CS
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not to say give big teams preferential treatment, but why would mlg not pay more attention not to fuck over ig?
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This is a disaster, and it makes me sad because I thought the new WCS was going to be great. It's been run so poorly though. By doing this MLG basically hurt chances for the game to grow in China, which is the complete opposite of what WCS is supposed to be about.
Meanwhile people who have been suspended by their teams for hacking or people who aren't allowed to play in the qualifier are allowed in. Just pathetic.
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On April 21 2013 10:02 Mauldo wrote:
So. MLG fucks Demuslim out of an invite, lets Catz lose to a known hacker, and "makes up for" inviting Koreans for the WCS NA tournament by only allowing one 512 man tournament and turning away legit players from pro-teams for the diamond noobs because, you know, they checked in first.
You know, I can think of a fix for this quickly. Remove the hacker, let a pro in its place, then reshuffle the bracket.
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On April 21 2013 04:38 iaguz wrote:
Details is that 512 turned out to be far too small a limit for WCS NA's qualifier. It functions on a first come first serve basis, it accepted more then 512 people registering and upon check in gives priority to those who registered earlier despite skill level. There are loads of diamond and below flotsam clogging up the registration that legitimately amazing players like jim (as well as loads of scrubby white folk like meself with decent *snort* NA GM ladder status) are not able to compete. MLG/blizzard fucked up majorly with this, extremely disappointing, especially for those coming from nations who got nothing from WCS this year.
One imagines that for Season 2 they fix this.
On SotG, they said that maybe having entry fee was a good idea after all ($20 was high but $10 seemed good, maybe even just $5).
Alternatively they could do what GOMTV does and give priority to pro gamers (or anyone) with an established and team first before randoms.
Edit - I say it's not really MLG's fault directly.
It's the fact that WCS in general seems a bit disorganized so far.
Edit 2 - What I mean is, Blizzard didn't give MLG any directions or what they should do or "had to do". I mean, technically it is Blizzard's thing after all. They can't just give their big "WCS" to a tournament organizer without telling them what to exactly do for qualifiers and things like that or else problems like this will likely happen.
While 512 1 bracket tournament over 1 day is silly, it's not really MLG's fault because Blizzard didn't exactly tell them how they should handle it (and again, since Blizzard did come up with WCS in the first place, they should direct it more).
It's more of a hindsight problem from MLG (MLG probably didn't expect these many problems in advance) and it's fair because (again) it seemed like Blizzard didn't direct them or at least emphasis how important it will be to make sure <x> or <y> gets done right (qualifiers for example).
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Should have let NASL run this with MLG. Cant really see those guys dropping the ball the way Sundance routinely does, since NASL dont have to pretend they are anything more than a labor of love.
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On April 21 2013 10:02 Mauldo wrote:
So. MLG fucks Demuslim out of an invite, lets Catz lose to a known hacker, and "makes up for" inviting Koreans for the WCS NA tournament by only allowing one 512 man tournament and turning away legit players from pro-teams for the diamond noobs because, you know, they checked in first.
I'm usually the first to take to their defense, and the last person to drop the flag in defeat, but goddammit MLG. Seriously? In what world is a 512 man tourney enough? Even if it isn't all NA players, you had to have assumed that there'd be an exodus of players wanting the easy mode qualification for a WCS event.
I'm a staunch defender of the region lock, and have a serious problem with players from half-way across the world playing in a region they don't even live in, let alone visit for any solid amount of time. But if you're going to allow them in, at least have enough spots to put them all in. What in the fuck would have been the problem with a 1024 or even 2048 man bracket? You have the men to run it. Would it have really hurt you to give a couple hundred people byes into the round of 1024/512? That one, simple move would have saved this entire thread from having to be created. The trade off would have been one less screw up in exchange for your tournament admins running an admittedly larger tournament. But if you told Blizzard you would singlehandedly take care of WCS NA, guess what? You should handle WCS NA. Not half ass it like you have been.
I was already on the fence about catching the rest of the qualifiers (just got back from a prior engagement), but now I'm just going to fire up some Game of Thrones or something. I was willing to live with WCS NA actually meaning WCS Wherever, but you shot yourself in the foot after those jokes you called invites, and this just made my decision for me.
Worst part is, Blizzard is going to get flack for WCS NA being a joke, when it was MLG that screwed the dog on this one.
I wouldn't have wanted to see them run a 1024 man tourny, it was headache inducing enough with only 512. They had a list of 16 or so admins but only 5 or so where ever on. Seemed like a lack of manpower.
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On April 21 2013 10:32 Zath.erin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 10:02 Mauldo wrote:
So. MLG fucks Demuslim out of an invite, lets Catz lose to a known hacker, and "makes up for" inviting Koreans for the WCS NA tournament by only allowing one 512 man tournament and turning away legit players from pro-teams for the diamond noobs because, you know, they checked in first.
I'm usually the first to take to their defense, and the last person to drop the flag in defeat, but goddammit MLG. Seriously? In what world is a 512 man tourney enough? Even if it isn't all NA players, you had to have assumed that there'd be an exodus of players wanting the easy mode qualification for a WCS event.
I'm a staunch defender of the region lock, and have a serious problem with players from half-way across the world playing in a region they don't even live in, let alone visit for any solid amount of time. But if you're going to allow them in, at least have enough spots to put them all in. What in the fuck would have been the problem with a 1024 or even 2048 man bracket? You have the men to run it. Would it have really hurt you to give a couple hundred people byes into the round of 1024/512? That one, simple move would have saved this entire thread from having to be created. The trade off would have been one less screw up in exchange for your tournament admins running an admittedly larger tournament. But if you told Blizzard you would singlehandedly take care of WCS NA, guess what? You should handle WCS NA. Not half ass it like you have been.
I was already on the fence about catching the rest of the qualifiers (just got back from a prior engagement), but now I'm just going to fire up some Game of Thrones or something. I was willing to live with WCS NA actually meaning WCS Wherever, but you shot yourself in the foot after those jokes you called invites, and this just made my decision for me.
Worst part is, Blizzard is going to get flack for WCS NA being a joke, when it was MLG that screwed the dog on this one. I wouldn't have wanted to see them run a 1024 man tourny, it was headache inducing enough with only 512. They had a list of 16 or so admins but only 5 or so where ever on. Seemed like a lack of manpower.
So why the hell were they running it in the first place? It's like saying hey sorry this shit happened, but cut us some slack we don't have enough people. Seems really irresponsible and looks really bad for MLG.
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Sad... Just really sad how this has been organized by MLG.
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On April 21 2013 06:18 betaman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 06:14 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 21 2013 06:07 betaman wrote:
This is another reason why a registration fee would have been a good idea. There was a registration fee for the NA qualifier, wasn't there? I thought it was $18.75? No, they scrapped it after pitchforks.
The pitchforks never end.
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The saddest part in this entire ordeal is how there are such terrible players, and a possible account sharer/hacker, so deep in the tournament. People were saying how stacked this tournament was gonna be, but it turned out so that most legitimate regional pros were screwed out by these low master/diamond players.
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MLG really did a very poor job of organizing this and Blizzard really should pull some strings to not let this happen again or we will remember their WCS to be a total joke.
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On April 21 2013 10:15 mrRoflpwn wrote:
so there were over 4000 spots in the EU qualifiers, there are unlimited spots in the Korea qualifier, but in NA theres only 500? Makes sense.
Actually, the Korean qualifier had only 576 spots according to liquipedia. Furthermore, that qualifier was for the challenger league (formerly code A) not for the premier league (code S) unlike the EU and US qualifiers.
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On April 21 2013 10:40 Baum wrote:
MLG really did a very poor job of organizing this and Blizzard really should pull some strings to not let this happen again or we will remember their WCS to be a total joke.
Odd, because I already thought it was a joke. Going to be awfully hard to change my opinion on that matter and they didn't help their case by rushing into this season either.
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