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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
April 11 2013 18:25 GMT
#21
The alternative suggested here actually makes a lot of sense.

I feel like of everybody involved here the Korean pro gamers are the ones who have the highest potential to get screwed by the system...
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DeathProfessor
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1052 Posts
April 11 2013 18:28 GMT
#22
lol Trumpstyle

"Players were worried they did not understand the English translation (did he just say I could switch to NA/EU?) so they chose what they thought would get them free money, they were confused as to properly take advantage of this system"

sounds about right
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10165 Posts
April 11 2013 18:36 GMT
#23
I agree that the system should had started bottom to top from the beginning (qualifiers, challenger, premier)

But i have doubts about the challengers season 3 being useless. It would make sense that they will be important for next year season 1. I could be wrong tho, so if there is any information regarding this would be nice to know.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
April 11 2013 18:41 GMT
#24
On April 12 2013 03:25 TheFish7 wrote:
The alternative suggested here actually makes a lot of sense.

I feel like of everybody involved here the Korean pro gamers are the ones who have the highest potential to get screwed by the system...

No, the alternative doesn't make sense. I would hate for the GSL to be like that.

That's basically the IEM system. There are a few tournaments a year, all of which have regional open qualifiers, and at the end of the year one world championship with invites based on points gathered from all those tournaments. This is good for a weekend tournament like IEM, but it doesn't create a consistent storyline from season to season and year to year like the GSL.

The way the GSL works, it's impossible to have Code A before Code S, because half the players in Code A come from Code S. It's a great system and has proven to us all that it allows the best players to consistently stay at the top while also allowing newcomers to rise to replace those who are slacking off.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33702 Posts
April 11 2013 18:42 GMT
#25
wow, english..

sugoyo
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 18:51:48
April 11 2013 18:51 GMT
#26
I wouldn't enjoy code S nearly as much if it was in a more compressed timeframe. It's a lot of matches and the long delay between games for players makes the games better.

I also think it is blizzard intention to make a qualifier -> challenger -> premier royal road impossible, and that the format in US/EU will follow the entire GSL format after the various divisions have been filled with qualifiers?
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 19:58:41
April 11 2013 19:55 GMT
#27
On April 12 2013 03:41 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 03:25 TheFish7 wrote:
The alternative suggested here actually makes a lot of sense.

I feel like of everybody involved here the Korean pro gamers are the ones who have the highest potential to get screwed by the system...

No, the alternative doesn't make sense. I would hate for the GSL to be like that.

That's basically the IEM system. There are a few tournaments a year, all of which have regional open qualifiers, and at the end of the year one world championship with invites based on points gathered from all those tournaments. This is good for a weekend tournament like IEM, but it doesn't create a consistent storyline from season to season and year to year like the GSL.

The way the GSL works, it's impossible to have Code A before Code S, because half the players in Code A come from Code S. It's a great system and has proven to us all that it allows the best players to consistently stay at the top while also allowing newcomers to rise to replace those who are slacking off.


Oh I see what you are saying, and perhaps you are right, but the question I would then pose is: "Does the GSL system make sense when you have a points system?"

Maybe I misinterpreted the OP.... but isn't that what he/she is getting at?
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larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 20:08:27
April 11 2013 20:04 GMT
#28
They should not use the Code S/A format.

They should have just used a single elimination format.

So that every season is self-contained and has no effects on the next season.
rename
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia329 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 20:26:50
April 11 2013 20:24 GMT
#29
On April 12 2013 05:04 larse wrote:
They should not use the Code S/A format.

They should have just used a single elimination format.

So that every season is self-contained and has no effects on the next season.


Code S/A is by far superior since it allows for constant high level play, simultaneously with second tier.
Any kind of single elimination would mean month of one-sided stomps, and another month of higher level play.

Not to mention ro64 or whatever would have too many chances of possible top8 players eliminating each other too early, i mean even in OSL single-elim starts at ro8, and they have had 12 years to tune their system.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
April 11 2013 20:26 GMT
#30
so what exactly was wrong with last year's system?
first we make expand, then we defense it.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17875 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 21:30:20
April 11 2013 21:12 GMT
#31
this entire WCS fiasco looks like a case of "throwing money at a problem" without carefully thinking through how a proper solution can be made
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
PrAeToR.FeNiX
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada361 Posts
April 11 2013 21:26 GMT
#32
i think its simple look the person s passport : bang there you go you are locked to that region
En taro Adun!
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17875 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 21:32:23
April 11 2013 21:31 GMT
#33
On April 12 2013 06:26 PrAeToR.FeNiX wrote:
i think its simple look the person s passport : bang there you go you are locked to that region


problem is...
people screw around with nationality even at the Olympic level. and the IOC has a team of guys who do nothing but verify the nationality of its participants.

Is Lennox Lewis Canadian, Jamacian, or British?

Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
April 11 2013 21:34 GMT
#34
i have a doubt. last gsl's prize pool was $161,836.
now is it only 100k?
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
April 11 2013 21:38 GMT
#35
On April 11 2013 17:51 belatube wrote:
Hope Blizzard can have the Games rebroadcasted at better hours next day. even though its great its now free and 720p doesnt change fact that most of us cant watch taht because of school or work. gsl did this couple times and it was great


jaeh its unwatchable times ^^ i mean i have to work xD
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
April 11 2013 21:40 GMT
#36
On April 12 2013 06:26 PrAeToR.FeNiX wrote:
i think its simple look the person s passport : bang there you go you are locked to that region


come on thats bullshit, polt living in USA for study etc ? why should he play on Korea ?
Europeans in US can only play in EU ?
all that is so stupid you have to see it
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
McCane
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France23 Posts
April 11 2013 21:53 GMT
#37
They should just put GSL NA and EU to be played offline just like in Korea
I can't be worried about that shit. Life goes on, man.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
April 11 2013 22:07 GMT
#38
i am still confused they all say "100k$ pricepool" because gsl had 160k before
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
PrAeToR.FeNiX
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada361 Posts
April 11 2013 22:19 GMT
#39
On April 12 2013 06:40 CoR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 06:26 PrAeToR.FeNiX wrote:
i think its simple look the person s passport : bang there you go you are locked to that region


come on thats bullshit, polt living in USA for study etc ? why should he play on Korea ?
Europeans in US can only play in EU ?
all that is so stupid you have to see it


Simle anwser: yes why not ? they are a minority.
En taro Adun!
TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
April 11 2013 22:32 GMT
#40
On April 12 2013 07:19 PrAeToR.FeNiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 06:40 CoR wrote:
On April 12 2013 06:26 PrAeToR.FeNiX wrote:
i think its simple look the person s passport : bang there you go you are locked to that region


come on thats bullshit, polt living in USA for study etc ? why should he play on Korea ?
Europeans in US can only play in EU ?
all that is so stupid you have to see it


Simle anwser: yes why not ? they are a minority.


Or you know, you can do the more logical thing and restrict people to the region in which they reside. Players shouldn't be punished for trying to establish residency in other countries. Players should be punished for "region" hopping.
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