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On April 10 2013 17:03 Aelonius wrote:
Interesting to read.
Yet many people still generate a negative vibe around this. Especially the 'Koreans to US/EU' question.
Perhaps it is time to stop worrying about what the Koreans do, and step up your game and learn to properly train. You won't get the best in the world by complaining.
I'm not trying to qualify for WCS, I'm trying to enjoy the highest level of GLOBAL competition there is. This format does not allow for that since players from the separate regions are going to fall to mercenary Koreans who simply signed up for that region because its easier to qualify than going through GSL and the other Korean players.
We are going to see a nearly all Korean WCS Grand Finals, and that to me is a travesty since the whole idea of the tournament is to get players from all over the globe to compete in a tournament. Given the state of the scene right now, the only foreigners who stand a chance of qualifying given the Koreans going to each region are Mana, Stephano, Nani/Sase (if they leave KR), and Scarlett. Whats really funny is Nani, Sase and Scarlett are all in Korea right now to train and reach their best. Yet Blizzard wants to think that training in NA or EU will be just as good because there will be 20 Koreans in the ladder now? I mean... come on, all it takes is a little bit of thinking for maybe 30 seconds and you'll realize this is flawed logic. The Koreans who come to NA or EU to train won't be training with people from that region, they will only be training with their teammates that came to NA or EU with them...
Just another example of how out-of-touch Blizzard is with the whole global eSports scene. Good job fucking over the last 4 years of the NA and EU scene trying to get on par with the Koreans. Good fucking job Blizz.
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On April 10 2013 23:47 Chronald wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:08 TAMinator wrote:
So basically they're nerfing Koreans and buffing foreigners... gg.
Good interview Um wut? How does that make sense. In fact they are nerfing foreigners and buffing Koreans since now Koreans can simply play an online tournament to take a spot from a foreigner in the Global WCS Grand Finals. Foreigners have less of a chance to be seen in a global tournament now then they did last year. So yea GG to your terrible logic and lack of understanding.
Dont be so harsh man.
You can wonder if foreigners really have less chance of being seen in global tournaments. There are still other tournamens around. For all we know Blizzard only added tournaments for extra exposure. Tournaments where forgeiners still have a great chance of playing in.
The only tournament that is really gone is last years WCS, which was only one tournament.
But hey, you are the guy with logic 
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On April 10 2013 23:57 Deckkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:47 Chronald wrote:On April 10 2013 23:08 TAMinator wrote:
So basically they're nerfing Koreans and buffing foreigners... gg.
Good interview Um wut? How does that make sense. In fact they are nerfing foreigners and buffing Koreans since now Koreans can simply play an online tournament to take a spot from a foreigner in the Global WCS Grand Finals. Foreigners have less of a chance to be seen in a global tournament now then they did last year. So yea GG to your terrible logic and lack of understanding. Dont be so harsh man. You can wonder if foreigners really have less chance of being seen in global tournaments. There are still other tournamens around. For all we know Blizzard only added tournaments for extra exposure. Tournaments where forgeiners still have a great chance of playing in. The only tournament that is really gone is last years WCS, which was only one tournament. But hey, you are the guy with logic
How many other global tournaments can you name? Please let me know.
Oh, and then let me know how many foreigners vs how many Koreans have done well. Now lets compare how many Koreans were invited compared to how many placed well. Then lets do the same for foreigners.
"For all we know Blizzard only added tournaments for extra exposure. Tournaments where forgeiners still have a great chance of playing in." I think this is your english, I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Blizzard REPLACED the old WCS with the new WCS. This tournament series wasn't 'added' it was a replacement for the previous one. And the argument I'm making is that this new format doesn't give foreigners nearly as much hope to qualify as last year's format did.
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On April 10 2013 23:58 Chronald wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:57 Deckkie wrote:On April 10 2013 23:47 Chronald wrote:On April 10 2013 23:08 TAMinator wrote:
So basically they're nerfing Koreans and buffing foreigners... gg.
Good interview Um wut? How does that make sense. In fact they are nerfing foreigners and buffing Koreans since now Koreans can simply play an online tournament to take a spot from a foreigner in the Global WCS Grand Finals. Foreigners have less of a chance to be seen in a global tournament now then they did last year. So yea GG to your terrible logic and lack of understanding. Dont be so harsh man. You can wonder if foreigners really have less chance of being seen in global tournaments. There are still other tournamens around. For all we know Blizzard only added tournaments for extra exposure. Tournaments where forgeiners still have a great chance of playing in. The only tournament that is really gone is last years WCS, which was only one tournament. But hey, you are the guy with logic How many other global tournaments can you name? Please let me know.
your logical argument is that foreigners have less chance to play in a global tournament than last year. But MLG, Dreamhack, and probably IEM are still around. The same tournaments that were here last year. So the foreigners have the same chance of playing in these tournaments as they had last year.
But wait, there are now three (2) more tournaments. And by the looks of it, even the NA players will have at least 12 players in them.
The point its that its hard to have less chance of playing in a global tournament when there are only tournaments added this year.
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Truly global? WCS in a way I guess... TLS had several qualifiers per region meh... not really a big enough sample for my liking. GSL is supposed to be global but it doesn't really live up to that namesake because 1. you have to be in Korea 2. you have to be actually good enough to compete with them and as we can see very few foreigners are even capable of taking a few series in a row against them.
MLG had decent diversity. DH is sort of staged based on invites/sign-up first mentality. Plus you sort of have to get there but there's diversity and way fewer Koreans in any tournament in Europe (really makes you wonder why more Koreans didn't choose Europe as their destination because everyone knew a lot of guys would pick NA for various reasons including some of those teams are based out of NA). I don't know man. Hard to really pick tournaments that are truly global because all the formats have their quirks off the top of my head.
The point its that its hard to have less chance of playing in a global tournament when there are only tournaments added this year.
Indeed. Less money in the Korean market though while NA/EU gets a stimulus package. Korea will have to repackage more tournaments in the downtime to bring it up. NA/EU/KR are technically competing for players to play there when it's offline and I'm all for centralization or at the very least an actual World Tour Circuit. Screw the Series; give us the Circuit!
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On April 10 2013 14:43 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 14:37 HawaiianPig wrote:On April 10 2013 08:03 WhiteSatin wrote:
just a tip, reading white font on black background for a long period of time totally rapes your eyes.
just a very very very basic graphic design tip lol.
Not really. This is very disputed and entirely preferential http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-on-dark_color_schemeConsider that many operating systems use a light on dark colour scheme for their "accessiblity" options. Don't refer to your personal preferences as "very very very basic graphic design" -- It makes you look silly. It is true that dark text on light backgrounds is generally better for readability overall, but there are times where you can use light on dark to great effect. Perhaps when you're posting some news to a Starcraft website and you'd like it to appear as a change of pace from a regular post. That being said, direct all design choices for this particular post at Waxangel. Direct all design complaints to our design consulting firm, Eleanor, Hashim and Sons, LLC.
lol Wax how do you feel about bright yellow being used on light blue? o-O One of your boys did that very recently! o;
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On April 10 2013 23:47 Chronald wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:08 TAMinator wrote:
So basically they're nerfing Koreans and buffing foreigners... gg.
Good interview Um wut? How does that make sense. In fact they are nerfing foreigners and buffing Koreans since now Koreans can simply play an online tournament to take a spot from a foreigner in the Global WCS Grand Finals. Foreigners have less of a chance to be seen in a global tournament now then they did last year. So yea GG to your terrible logic and lack of understanding.
I meant in terms of skill level. If you read the article, it talks about foreigners never being at korean level simply because they have to go to Korea in order to practice with them. With this change, Koreans will no longer have their closeknit training since they'll play a variety of skill levels, whereas foreigners benefit from this because they can now practice with Koreans without being in Korea or suffering high latency.
GG to your terrible logic and lack of understand.
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"Itzik Ben-Bassat" most awesome name ive ever heard
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On April 10 2013 23:53 Chronald wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 17:03 Aelonius wrote:
Interesting to read.
Yet many people still generate a negative vibe around this. Especially the 'Koreans to US/EU' question.
Perhaps it is time to stop worrying about what the Koreans do, and step up your game and learn to properly train. You won't get the best in the world by complaining. I'm not trying to qualify for WCS, I'm trying to enjoy the highest level of GLOBAL competition there is. This format does not allow for that since players from the separate regions are going to fall to mercenary Koreans who simply signed up for that region because its easier to qualify than going through GSL and the other Korean players. We are going to see a nearly all Korean WCS Grand Finals, and that to me is a travesty since the whole idea of the tournament is to get players from all over the globe to compete in a tournament. Given the state of the scene right now, the only foreigners who stand a chance of qualifying given the Koreans going to each region are Mana, Stephano, Nani/Sase (if they leave KR), and Scarlett. Whats really funny is Nani, Sase and Scarlett are all in Korea right now to train and reach their best. Yet Blizzard wants to think that training in NA or EU will be just as good because there will be 20 Koreans in the ladder now? I mean... come on, all it takes is a little bit of thinking for maybe 30 seconds and you'll realize this is flawed logic. The Koreans who come to NA or EU to train won't be training with people from that region, they will only be training with their teammates that came to NA or EU with them... Just another example of how out-of-touch Blizzard is with the whole global eSports scene. Good job fucking over the last 4 years of the NA and EU scene trying to get on par with the Koreans. Good fucking job Blizz.
Alright,
First off I'd like to make clear that my initial statement, which you quoted, was ment for any player who desires to be at the top level of Starcraft 2 and wishes to be a professional gamer. I believe that no matter howmuch stimulation we put into the scene on a tournament level, if there's no desire with the gamers to become better and work harder, then we will not get anywhere. The Koreans know this, and they work their butt off to get better. But a lot of them also know that a lot of foreigners are fairly lazy in comparison, which results in better gameplay from the Koreans.
Why do I say this? Because I honestly believe that Korea is only going to be the top country as long as the foreign scene remains lazy and complacent, aiming for a quick buck rather than being really good. The moment that we start building a proper environment in NA / EU that's similar to the Korean environment, we will begin to grow towards them. It is a choice.
Yet Blizzard wants to think that training in NA or EU will be just as good because there will be 20 Koreans in the ladder now?
Yes,
I agree with Blizzard that having the Koreans in these regions will eventually benefit the scene more. Why do you ask? Very simple, by having them in the scene the overal level of play at the top will rise and those who desire to play at WCS Worldwide Final levels, will be putting that effort in to reach it. If you are too lazy to do that, you should not be in the top tier of WCS anyways.
Right now, there's the news that EG and possibly ROOT are moving towards the San Francisco area, right near the Blizzard offices. This is promising to me, as it seems to point towards a focus on localizing the eSports events in that region for NA. It may not happen in the first year, but that's not what I expect. In the long run, I envision multiple teams setting up houses properly around the EG house, and create an active scene which is similar to the Korean scene overall.
But this requires the most important thing that a vast majority does not accept or think about :
Patience
Yes, mistakes were made. That happens, and surely wasn't handled right. But instead of poisoning our own scene, we should be more patient and supportive even if it makes things a little more difficult right now.
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On April 11 2013 00:05 StarStruck wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Truly global? WCS in a way I guess... TLS had several qualifiers per region meh... not really a big enough sample for my liking. GSL is supposed to be global but it doesn't really live up to that namesake because 1. you have to be in Korea 2. you have to be actually good enough to compete with them and as we can see very few foreigners are even capable of taking a few series in a row against them. MLG had decent diversity. DH is sort of staged based on invites/sign-up first mentality. Plus you sort of have to get there but there's diversity and way fewer Koreans in any tournament in Europe (really makes you wonder why more Koreans didn't choose Europe as their destination because everyone knew a lot of guys would pick NA for various reasons including some of those teams are based out of NA). I don't know man. Hard to really pick tournaments that are truly global because all the formats have their quirks off the top of my head. The point its that its hard to have less chance of playing in a global tournament when there are only tournaments added this year. Indeed. Less money in the Korean market though while NA/EU gets a stimulus package. Korea will have to repackage more tournaments in the downtime to bring it up. NA/EU/KR are technically competing for players to play there when it's offline and I'm all for centralization or at the very least an actual World Tour Circuit. Screw the Series; give us the Circuit!
I think while the current setup allows for less money in the Korean market, it should be more easy to do the online cups as we have in the foreign scene. GOM could easily put that money up and make a few smaller tournaments for smaller prizes in between events. It's not that they can't do it, but they never seemed to want it.
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I don't think it's realistic to expect Korean players to move out of their home.
I think it's unfair to restrict them from playing in different region's leagues because they are the big guns of SC2 and it'd be a shame to let the hardest working gamers be restricted in any way.
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On April 14 2013 08:23 Jeka wrote:
I don't think it's realistic to expect Korean players to move out of their home.
I think it's unfair to restrict them from playing in different region's leagues because they are the big guns of SC2 and it'd be a shame to let the hardest working gamers be restricted in any way.
So just because player X in basketball is playing in the NBA, means they instantly get a free ticket to go wherever they want, and we should just ignore the laws, customs and alike? That's basicly what you are saying.
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