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yokohama
Profile Joined February 2005
United States1116 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 23:06:45
April 06 2013 23:05 GMT
#41
On April 07 2013 07:49 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 04:15 IdrA wrote:
On April 07 2013 03:02 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
MC and Parting don't take flak for doing basically the same thing, based around pure timings and micro.

I think people would be amazed at the cheese on Korean ladder. LOL @ the cheese being figured out and he doesn't deserve GM. Watch Korean GM buddy, never will you have seen so much aggression in your life.

difference is they win based on control and their opponents have to respect their late game as well because they are good players, which makes their allins stronger
with this fuck if you figure out what hes doing he loses, its just a matter of figuring out which ridiculous risk hes taking in any given game.

and this mentality of yours had been keeping your ass beneath the Koreans. after you got told by rekrul so many years after that f91 series you still don't respect the game you play as your job. You still hasn't figure out what skill is in this game that is your job? skill is what wins games, you have no talent at this game if you don't recognize this.



What? His mentality seems perfectly sound, maybe you are just reading his response wrong? Seems like you just wanted to jump at any chance to attack Idra with things that don't even have any context with what he stated.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
April 06 2013 23:11 GMT
#42
it's perfectly sound to call someone "this fuck" based on a playing style? the context is he still doesn't respect this game 5 god damn years after f91 raped him and rekrul told him, if you go read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342 you would know exactly what I mean, and why it is relevant to the context.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 23:38:01
April 06 2013 23:36 GMT
#43
On April 06 2013 09:24 rei wrote:
i was hoping for a demonstration reaction to different builds on different scenarios, and I was also looking for how to deal with terran mid game harassment and zerg late game army.

out of all your games none has gone into late game, in fact i don't even see one game you actually took a 3rd, every game it's a 2 base timing or one base timing, that's all it takes to get into top 16gm, i don't believe it, where's the rest of your replays? you are hiding your real strategies. There are enough ppl in GM ladder that will not die to any of these timing builds for me to think you must make it up there with a one two punch that kept them guessing.


I've played him once and it went very late, and he didn't all-in..

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And he lost, maybe due to inexperience in the lategame? )
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yokohama
Profile Joined February 2005
United States1116 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 00:02:45
April 06 2013 23:56 GMT
#44
On April 07 2013 08:11 rei wrote:
it's perfectly sound to call someone "this fuck" based on a playing style? the context is he still doesn't respect this game 5 god damn years after f91 raped him and rekrul told him, if you go read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342 you would know exactly what I mean, and why it is relevant to the context.


Don't worry, I've been around long enough to know that thread. I know exactly what you mean, but that would be like me bringing up Idra leaving against MMA when he was ahead or against Huk with hallucinated Void Rays. Of course there is some context with his actions, but I don't think its enough to just randomly start teeing off on him when he made a decent point. I'm just paying more attention to the first line he said that actually warrants discussion. The second line is just good old Idra, which apparently keeps you from seeing his relevant points. Anyways, I'm done arguing, have fun.
pure_protoss
Profile Joined April 2011
152 Posts
April 07 2013 00:30 GMT
#45
On April 07 2013 04:15 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 03:02 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
MC and Parting don't take flak for doing basically the same thing, based around pure timings and micro.

I think people would be amazed at the cheese on Korean ladder. LOL @ the cheese being figured out and he doesn't deserve GM. Watch Korean GM buddy, never will you have seen so much aggression in your life.

difference is they win based on control and their opponents have to respect their late game as well because they are good players, which makes their allins stronger
with this fuck if you figure out what hes doing he loses, its just a matter of figuring out which ridiculous risk hes taking in any given game.


Thanks Idra...it is exactly what I meant! Nice to see someone thinks like me for once...maybe I just explained myself wrong but anyway...thanks
Capoch
Profile Joined April 2010
Argentina179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 05:56:04
April 07 2013 02:22 GMT
#46
First of all, I appreciate the feedback and nice comments on the replays.

Regarding the debate that came up according to my playstyle, I must say that I mostly agree with what you guys say. The reason why koreans are the best of the best is basically what IdrA said (besides rigorous training schedule and making a living out of SC2). They are very good with timing attacks and all ins, and they can perfectly play a macro game, and thats what makes them unpredictable.

I consider myself having a hard time playing macro games mostly vs terran and protoss. I feel that terran mid game with their new medivac super fast drops are devastating and that's why as of now, I try to finish the game earlier. I know that the speed or something around the terran mid game will be nerfed soon, and that will incentivate me to play more macro oriented games vs them. Vs protoss I feel its a bit hard to play on 3 or more bases, there are usually some earlier engagements that just dont allow you to take expansions safely, and I try to take the most ouf of those earlier engagements. On the zerg matter, I have no problem in playing macro games vs them. In WoL I used to hate going late game vs zerg because of that bl + infestors comp, but that's no trouble anymore now.

I know that I must improve my mid-late game and macro play a lot, and I'll be working on that to become more unpredictable and a better player. I think that I'll even have a big of advantage because some players might overreact thinking I'll all in and I'd actually play a macro play. For now, just enjoy those reps haha.

Capoch
AegonC
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States260 Posts
April 07 2013 17:20 GMT
#47
Well said, Capoch. Your replays have been extremely useful to me and I'm sure to many of my Protoss brethren. Please release more in the future!
isurusgamingtv
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina18 Posts
April 09 2013 17:16 GMT
#48
GG Capoch! A big player of the team. Now you`ve to play Age II again
ApocAlypsE007
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Israel1007 Posts
April 09 2013 18:30 GMT
#49
Ahhh... its the same "only late game ability counts" crap. So Capoch posted a replay pack full of 2 base allins. So? The real strengh of a player is not his ability to allin/play 1 hour macro games. A player needs to adapt and change based on the situation. Fixation on a build, a playing style will cause a player to fall of the greed very fast. IMO Capoch can't be judged now (his top 16 position is 100% deserved as of right now), but later when opponents will learn how to deal with his builds and how he adapts to that.
I'm playing the game, the one that will take me to my end, i'm waiting for the rain, TO WASH-- WHO I AM!!!
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
April 11 2013 01:09 GMT
#50
The comments in this thread alone have convinced me to cast at least one of these games
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
LisiTA
Profile Joined June 2012
Brazil1 Post
April 12 2013 01:43 GMT
#51
THX Capoch, GL in WCS
Hello everyone! I'm Pedro LisiTA and i'm playing for The House is Down (THD) Protos Sc2 and Dota2. Welcome to my stream and have fun...
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
April 12 2013 01:57 GMT
#52
On April 11 2013 10:09 Husky wrote:
The comments in this thread alone have convinced me to cast at least one of these games

why? and did you improve your game sense?
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
dirtydurb82
Profile Joined December 2012
United States178 Posts
April 17 2013 01:32 GMT
#53
and this mentality of yours had been keeping your ass beneath the Koreans. after you got told by rekrul so many years after that f91 series you still don't respect the game you play as your job. You still hasn't figure out what skill is in this game that is your job? skill is what wins games, you have no talent at this game if you don't recognize this.


I think you are missing the point. The point is Top Koreans can play any game, any time. Cheese, macro intensive, micro instesive,all in a seamless and fluid game. IdrA is making the point that these are fairly predictable (not bad ifyou win) timng attacks,an all timing attacks can be broken when scouted.
"The only way to grow E-Sports is to tell the truth." -Richard Lewis
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
April 17 2013 01:46 GMT
#54
On April 07 2013 11:22 Capoch wrote:
I know that I must improve my mid-late game and macro play a lot, and I'll be working on that to become more unpredictable and a better player. I think that I'll even have a big of advantage because some players might overreact thinking I'll all in and I'd actually play a macro play. For now, just enjoy those reps haha.

Capoch


Well said, great attitude towards the game and dealing with the ridiculous comments in this thread. I will be cheering for you in the WCS, best of luck.
SEKO SEKO SEKO
BuzuB
Profile Joined April 2013
Spain1 Post
April 26 2013 13:40 GMT
#55
AoC player here too Hi Capoch, te recuerdo de aoc. Hemos jugado juntos más de una vez con mis smurfs haha. Saludos!!
Never give up on your dreams
nZ.INFESTED
Profile Joined June 2008
Costa Rica57 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 15:06:34
April 26 2013 15:05 GMT
#56
Good Work Capoch!! Cheers from Costa Rica. Is good to see that more Latin players are doing fine in the ladder hopefully we will have in the future a WCS just for Latin players (why not??). There are many types/styles of playing SC2(HOTS) some consider all-in players are not skill enough(I though that also a few months ago) but is more how you get more comfortable when playing a game been aggressive works for you and its fine, so don't pay attention to troll comments and continue your training, I know myself how difficult is for Latin players to defend or passion for SC in country's where there is not a Gaming Culture like in USA, Europe or Korea.

Buena Suerte Amigo!!
Live Fast, Die Young!
LTY
Profile Joined November 2012
United States223 Posts
April 26 2013 15:18 GMT
#57
Wait, what do you mean by sc2 is bit hard for people who live in Argentina?
Like money wise or latency, etc?
Known as Miso or LTY
nZ.INFESTED
Profile Joined June 2008
Costa Rica57 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 15:38:35
April 26 2013 15:36 GMT
#58
On April 27 2013 00:18 LTY wrote:
Wait, what do you mean by sc2 is bit hard for people who live in Argentina?
Like money wise or latency, etc?


Not Argentina specifically, Latin country's in general, I am from Costa Rica. In USA, Europe, Korea you have sponsors, leagues, tourneys every weekend(amateur/semipro/pro) so you can compete at high level always, the quantity of active skill players is higher in USA than in all Latin country's by far, so for a Latin player to get a good level is more difficult, look Fenix(Peru), Major(Mexico) and Killer(Chile) they have to come to USA(Killer) or Korea (Fenix, Major) to get a decent training enviroment.
Also E-Sports in Latin Country's is still in the stereotype that if you play games you are lazy, no social skills, a freak which is not the case, many of the players here have to combine work, studies and SC which is not an easy combination but we do it cause we love SC and we want to show society that they are wrong and things are changing and E-Sports came to stay .

PD: Sorry for my english
Live Fast, Die Young!
Kyuhyuck
Profile Joined April 2013
Korea (South)40 Posts
May 08 2013 05:27 GMT
#59
I really appeciate the replays. Even though im a high masters zerg player i feel as though i still benefit from this
You can have anything you want if you are willing to give up the belief you can't have it.
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