Is this a belated april fools and the hellbats in the second video are just 3-3 compared to when they have no upgrades without blinding cloud? I am sorry if my accusations are incorrect but I find it hard to believe this at this time of the year.

Maghetti

United States2429 Posts

April 02 2013 05:28 GMT

#22

This could be a new type of hellbat micro to allow them to get a little closer before firing to do more damage.

ChristianS

United States3304 Posts

April 02 2013 05:29 GMT

#23

From the other side of things, then, might it be beneficial to move-command hellbats until lings have a surround?
Edit: Woah, ninja'd.

LazinCajun

United States294 Posts

April 02 2013 05:33 GMT

#24

On April 02 2013 13:36 latan wrote:
doesn't make sense to me, probably a bug. is the hellbat attack instant?

Basically, with blinding cloud on, the hellbats are being forced to wait to fire until the lings are close. When the lings are close, the first shot hits ALL THE LINGS (tm). This actually makes the lings die faster.

Grobyc

Canada18410 Posts

April 02 2013 05:36 GMT

#25

ALL THE LINGS

Cyro

United Kingdom20344 Posts

April 02 2013 05:41 GMT

#26

You can reproduce this easily by holding fire until things close from the maximum range (where the attack would only hit the first few) and waiting for them to get closer before attacking, so you can hit more with the first attack, like the vid shows it actually helps a lot more than attacking early to start cooldown earlier.

ALPINA

3791 Posts

April 02 2013 05:43 GMT

#27

On April 02 2013 13:36 latan wrote:
doesn't make sense to me, probably a bug. is the hellbat attack instant?

it's logical. With BC they start attacking later which means lings are closer and more are hit.

Very nice find OP. BC is not only useless vs. hellbats but it' even worse lol.

RiceAgainst

United States1849 Posts

April 02 2013 05:50 GMT

#28

Ah, video and pics help so much, I was confused why at first, but I believed it anyways. Now I know why I'm believing. Theoretically and small-expiremenentally it seems correct, but we'll have to see in games. i.e., use Take Command feature and don't use it/use it.

MagnuMizer

Denmark384 Posts

April 02 2013 05:51 GMT

#29

Thanks for this... this is great knowledge to have !

darkscream

Canada2310 Posts

April 02 2013 05:59 GMT

#30

the title of this thread is way misleading

the only reason it works like this is because its amove, if you micro'd the hellbats not to fire until the lings were close and clumped, it would be the same thing

iMrising

United States1099 Posts

April 02 2013 06:00 GMT

#31

I think blizz might have not intended this .-.

TerranosaurusWrecks

Canada187 Posts

April 02 2013 06:09 GMT

#32

wow, i'm actually a little surprised, but this is a great piece of knowledge to be found!

I mean you probably won't have that many zerglings attacking hellbats while you are using blinding cloud, but you never know when this could come in handy, it probably isn't the way blizzard intended but i don't think that it is worth patching. you aren't going to waste blinding cloud on hellbats anyway, and even if you do then it's only a little extra damage as it will only effect the first wave of zerglings.

anyways, still a good find

Sikly

United States413 Posts

April 02 2013 06:15 GMT

#33

In theory, move command micro is pretty essential for hellbats early. This is quite the significant difference, and early game is probably worth the extra effort to do.

Latham

9593 Posts

April 02 2013 06:16 GMT

#34

On April 02 2013 15:00 iMrising wrote:
I think blizz might have not intended this .-.

A unit that was specifically designed to help terran m&m compositions in melee range, becomes more effective when it's range get further reduced to true melee? Who would have thought....

FakeDeath

Malaysia6060 Posts

April 02 2013 06:17 GMT

#35

So is this a bug?

Cyro

United Kingdom20344 Posts

April 02 2013 06:21 GMT

#36

On April 02 2013 15:17 FakeDeath wrote:
So is this a bug?

No, it's a result of slow rate of fire and attacks being more effective when targets are given more time to approach so that more of them are in the splash radius. It's exactly the same with regular hellions just less prominent

Gamegene

United States8308 Posts

April 02 2013 06:25 GMT

#37

On April 02 2013 15:17 FakeDeath wrote:
So is this a bug?

It's just an after affect of how the Hellbat animation works. This also means that you need to be moving forward with the Hellbats to maximize DPS as a Terran player instead of being content with an attack command.