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Cloud Retires from SC2 - Page 7

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luuk
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria386 Posts
March 18 2013 17:30 GMT
#121
dont like your statement at all, but okay, byebye
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-18 17:40:04
March 18 2013 17:36 GMT
#122
On March 19 2013 01:44 Alexstrasas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 01:33 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
Its a shame you didn't want to give HOTS a shot with Terran. With Widow mines, Ravens and Ferarri-vacs your good mechanics would have shone through and perhaps you could've exceeded your WoL results.



Dude have you saw MLG? Widow Mines are a joke.


Besides like Cloud himself said:

Show nested quote +
For someone like me who likes the competition and the challenge Starcraft2 was not really the right game. It's a way easier game than Starcraft, attaining progamer skills didn't take a third of the effort as it used to take before and the luck factor was a huge thing to consider. Honestly to me, used to such a competitive game as Starcraft, it felt more like playing poker rather than a real time strategy game.


All it takes is 1 storm man, 1 storm and you lose.

They didnt fixed mech so its going to be another year of MMM.

You cant blame him for trying Protoss and/or leaving.



This justifies even more people happy to see him go...


Seriously... " the luck factor was a huge thing to consider" ?
Damn Koreans, luckier than foreigners...
Oh and sorry but... Spidermines ? Reavers ? Completely determinitic units, no randomness involved...

It's so characteristic of a child who think he deserves a lot but "luck", "bad players playing OP races" took it away from him...

I forgot about this wonderful line : " It's a way easier game than Starcraft, attaining progamer skills didn't take a third of the effort as it used to take before"

Yeah, you basically forgot to take into account the fact that esports has grown a lot since Broodwar years... Korea is no more the only country where you can play Starcraft as a pro gamer...
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
March 18 2013 17:38 GMT
#123
On March 19 2013 00:59 CoR wrote:
he should have played protoss from start, he was sc1 toss and terra NEVER fit him


ps: post above me about culture assimilation wtf ? he was an italian every in europe has nothing to do with him


I seriously have no idea what was going on in that post.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-18 19:02:08
March 18 2013 18:02 GMT
#124
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Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
March 18 2013 18:08 GMT
#125
Always loved his extremely honest attitude. Shame to see him go, would like him to cast sometimes.

Very understandable that he never rly liked SC2 after starting out with BW tho...
Member of TPW mapmaking team/// twitter.com/Ragoo_ /// "goody represents border between explainable reason and supernatural" Cloud
Winterfrozz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden357 Posts
March 18 2013 18:11 GMT
#126
ClouD, tell me about your relation to your sister.

bai.

User was warned for this post
Jazzi!
Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
March 18 2013 18:16 GMT
#127
I too could also be the best progamer in my country, i just don't want to.

Trust me guys.
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
March 18 2013 18:20 GMT
#128
Of course it's sad to see a progamer go, but in ClouD's case, less so. I really disliked his behaviour.
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
March 18 2013 18:24 GMT
#129
On March 19 2013 03:02 Inori wrote:
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On March 19 2013 01:12 aTnClouD wrote:
On March 19 2013 01:04 HoLe wrote:
Sucks to lose a terran but I never really cared about him.
Somebody linked this tweet on a previous page and I remembered that dickish aura he carried around with him back when I was following the game more.


He wrote at me like a dick, I responded in the exact same manner.

You're forgetting the part where he replied to a post you wrote like a dick in the first place.

I still believe in what I said. If protoss had an higher skill ceiling in WoL in fact great players like Grubby or Titan would have shined so much more, and many other protoss players would have won less. I expected SC2 would have been a much better game but it was designed in a way that never met the standards of the old BW and WC3 players. Some adapted and some, like me, didn't. It's not a coincidence most of the great players from BW aren't playing anymore (only Ret comes to mind, and he was most likely the best non korean player ever towards the end of Starcraft). It takes a whole different skillset to play SC2 and old school players have shown several time that they could improve a lot on this.
Honestly I am not really convinced answering to people I don't know on an internet forum is the best way to spend my time, but since you have put a lot of effort in disliking me many times on this forum I thought I owed you some attention (pretty twisted thinking process, isn't it?).
When I did say stuff like that on twitter though I feel like I was being a bit of a jerk, because every time I got hate comments from people I don't know I thought it was really funny that somebody, somewhere, can get angry over trivial stuff like a troll tweet. In many instances I just came home, was bored, and posted some flame bait just to see how much people would get upset over such a trivial thing.
Either way, I don't know you but I wish you the best, it feels we have some kind of relationship right now.
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Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
March 18 2013 18:34 GMT
#130
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sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
March 18 2013 18:38 GMT
#131
On March 18 2013 20:16 ComplexConf wrote:
Never liked the guy and he never shined although everyone always had good things to say about him..

For sure a decent sc2 player, but not good enough to play it professionally imo. Gl with life and all!

pretty much sums up how i see it.
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
March 18 2013 18:58 GMT
#132
WHY Santa Cloud,WHY.

I will never forget this ClouD vs TLO match
http://fr.twitch.tv/vasacast/b/368061255?t=81m39s

First time i heard the italian commentators,it was nice.
I will not forget you cloud,you were an awesome caster/entertainer/player,gl in the future.
RIP MKP
wuhan_clan
Profile Joined April 2012
United States5609 Posts
March 18 2013 19:00 GMT
#133
With the mentality this guy has, he is not going to succeed at anything in life. Cloud who?
PhoenixDark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States286 Posts
March 18 2013 19:01 GMT
#134
Speaking of Nydus, it would be cool if you could put Spines/Spores inside them alongside units, and plant them in another person's base...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435469
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
March 18 2013 19:06 GMT
#135
Sad to hear, but I commiserate. If you don't enjoy something, you shouldn't be doing it.

That said, his xenophobic comments and attitude make it so I'm not entirely sad to see him go.
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
E.L.V.I.S
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium458 Posts
March 18 2013 19:09 GMT
#136
cloud is just finding excuses for his weak mind and lack of motivation, this is truly sad... if he wants to quit, he should just quit and stop explaining all his life ...
http://twitch.tv/maggrig | @SC2ELVIS | http://www.facebook.com/sc2ELVIS
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
March 18 2013 19:11 GMT
#137
On March 18 2013 23:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 23:00 a_flayer wrote:
Who?

User was warned for this post


lol
there was a post on Reddit saying "so another guy named `who?` has quit the pro Starcraft scene".

LOL, that's a fun way to phrase it considering you were the guy who wrote it. And a Korean culture assimilation rant to top it off, maybe you shouldn't comment if you have no clue what's going on.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
March 18 2013 19:40 GMT
#138
On March 19 2013 04:11 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 23:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 18 2013 23:00 a_flayer wrote:
Who?

User was warned for this post


lol
there was a post on Reddit saying "so another guy named `who?` has quit the pro Starcraft scene".

LOL, that's a fun way to phrase it considering you were the guy who wrote it. And a Korean culture assimilation rant to top it off, maybe you shouldn't comment if you have no clue what's going on.


But man, that culture needs to be assimilated!
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
KillaHammad ALi
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom19 Posts
March 18 2013 19:40 GMT
#139
sad to see you go Cloud
Just because you know how something is gonna end, doesn't mean you can't enjoy the ride
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-18 19:48:30
March 18 2013 19:46 GMT
#140
On March 19 2013 02:36 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 01:44 Alexstrasas wrote:
On March 19 2013 01:33 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
Its a shame you didn't want to give HOTS a shot with Terran. With Widow mines, Ravens and Ferarri-vacs your good mechanics would have shone through and perhaps you could've exceeded your WoL results.



Dude have you saw MLG? Widow Mines are a joke.


Besides like Cloud himself said:

For someone like me who likes the competition and the challenge Starcraft2 was not really the right game. It's a way easier game than Starcraft, attaining progamer skills didn't take a third of the effort as it used to take before and the luck factor was a huge thing to consider. Honestly to me, used to such a competitive game as Starcraft, it felt more like playing poker rather than a real time strategy game.


All it takes is 1 storm man, 1 storm and you lose.

They didnt fixed mech so its going to be another year of MMM.

You cant blame him for trying Protoss and/or leaving.



This justifies even more people happy to see him go...


Seriously... " the luck factor was a huge thing to consider" ?
Damn Koreans, luckier than foreigners...
Oh and sorry but... Spidermines ? Reavers ? Completely determinitic units, no randomness involved...

It's so characteristic of a child who think he deserves a lot but "luck", "bad players playing OP races" took it away from him...

I forgot about this wonderful line : " It's a way easier game than Starcraft, attaining progamer skills didn't take a third of the effort as it used to take before"

Yeah, you basically forgot to take into account the fact that esports has grown a lot since Broodwar years... Korea is no more the only country where you can play Starcraft as a pro gamer...


Anyone who reads the statement can honestly see a lot of that in there. I don't want to sully his goodbye with attacks, but I cringed at a lot of those moments. It's like when I saw NoNy go, I was very sad (he was/is a baller and he is one of the reasons I still consider Philosophy a viable degree for me, I love that field of study, because of his well thought out blogs. They showed a strong ability to think), but what made me feel like he is gonna be fine was because his statement was honest. Yes, ClouD has not been incredibly relevant, but love for something does have a factor. The guy is a community member, he is a dick to people sometimes, but hey he is who he is. I'll be honest that if any professional doesn't love the field they are in, they will reminisce to other parts in their lives that they believed were better and make those times into golden ages. I'm not saying that is what ClouD has done here, but I can see a lot "the grass was greener" going on in here. Is it bullshit? Yeah to a large extent it is, but let's not forget that this is a personal thing and not the "objective" truth the way a collective body sees it.
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