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Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 18:51:33
March 15 2013 18:50 GMT
#561
On March 16 2013 03:45 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 03:34 Ctone23 wrote:
On March 16 2013 01:31 ELA wrote:
On March 16 2013 01:16 Ctone23 wrote:
As a businessman myself, I find it hard to look at this with a lot of objectivity.

Typically if you are in a financial situation where you wish to obtain a higher goal (I.E. Proleague) then you objectively identify weaknesses and efficiency of the entire company (team).

At the end of the day, EG can do whatever they want to. However, my opinion is that they should take a broader approach to identifying goals and pursuing them.

GL Puma





Subjectively, this makes very little sense

Are you saying that Proleague as a goal, is bad for EG?


No, but bad business management could be..

In the article Alex expressed that EG was focusing on Korean events such as Proleague, he then went on to go into how Puma had lackluster results, insinuating Pumas salary vastly overwhelmed his performance.

Meanwhile, back in the US, EG owns a very expensive house with at least two professional players that make absolutely no contribution tournament-wise, which was essentially the basis for letting Puma go (highly contradictory to EG business model, ex. Incontrol casting and what not).



The house costs ~36,000 USD/year to EG according to Scoots, which is "literally nothing". It's located in Phoenix which is why its way cheaper compared to other cities, the players split the costs of utilities and food.

Listen about the house etc @56:05


Um. http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2012/11/27/phoenix-arizona-home-price-gains-lead.html?page=all

Phoenix is an expensive place to live. On the flip side. They will get the money back when they sell at least.

All in all, good luck to Puma and I hope EG does well.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 18:55:56
March 15 2013 18:52 GMT
#562
On March 16 2013 03:50 Ctone23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 03:45 Grettin wrote:
On March 16 2013 03:34 Ctone23 wrote:
On March 16 2013 01:31 ELA wrote:
On March 16 2013 01:16 Ctone23 wrote:
As a businessman myself, I find it hard to look at this with a lot of objectivity.

Typically if you are in a financial situation where you wish to obtain a higher goal (I.E. Proleague) then you objectively identify weaknesses and efficiency of the entire company (team).

At the end of the day, EG can do whatever they want to. However, my opinion is that they should take a broader approach to identifying goals and pursuing them.

GL Puma





Subjectively, this makes very little sense

Are you saying that Proleague as a goal, is bad for EG?


No, but bad business management could be..

In the article Alex expressed that EG was focusing on Korean events such as Proleague, he then went on to go into how Puma had lackluster results, insinuating Pumas salary vastly overwhelmed his performance.

Meanwhile, back in the US, EG owns a very expensive house with at least two professional players that make absolutely no contribution tournament-wise, which was essentially the basis for letting Puma go (highly contradictory to EG business model, ex. Incontrol casting and what not).



The house costs ~36,000 USD/year to EG according to Scoots, which is "literally nothing". It's located in Phoenix which is why its way cheaper compared to other cities, the players split the costs of utilities and food.

Listen about the house etc @56:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gfdh42U9F4


Um. http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2012/11/27/phoenix-arizona-home-price-gains-lead.html?page=all

Phoenix is an expensive place to live.


Just listen to the part i pointed out. I quoted scoots when saying Phoenix is cheap to live, but he did mention comparisons, so maybe thats why it's "cheaper". Your argument about the "expensive team house" fails, according to the teams ex-COO.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
faiza
Profile Joined June 2012
United States451 Posts
March 15 2013 18:55 GMT
#563
Wow, they are really committed to Proleague.
HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
March 15 2013 18:57 GMT
#564
Pro league putting the squeeze on EG's bankroll. I think KeSPA teams/training style would suit PuMa well.
Don't hoot with the Owls at night if you cant soar with the Eagles at dawn.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 15 2013 18:59 GMT
#565
It's a bit weird that Puma didn't accept a lower salary contract.
Low salary by EG standards is pretty hard to find somewhere else I feel.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
March 15 2013 19:04 GMT
#566
People who fill these threads with stupid criticisms of other EG players should get warned, or banned outright. It's getting sickening to see every single EG related thread full of bullshit from people who have absolutely no concept of ROI, or don't give a fuck about anything except hating on players they have in their targets.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 19:09:28
March 15 2013 19:08 GMT
#567
On March 16 2013 04:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:
People who fill these threads with stupid criticisms of other EG players should get warned, or banned outright. It's getting sickening to see every single EG related thread full of bullshit from people who have absolutely no concept of ROI, or don't give a fuck about anything except hating on players they have in their targets.


Thats Teamliquid for you and it won't ever change. Another problem is when you won't bother checking few pages back, where something has most likely explained few times already and still keep spilling something utterly stupid (like stuff about Incontrol)
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
March 15 2013 19:09 GMT
#568
@ Grettin


What proof do you have other than the "EX-COO"

My argument was about the contradictory business model, not Phoenix, Arizona's housing market lol...
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
March 15 2013 19:13 GMT
#569
puma was pretty good a while ago and then his injury and then

sad to see him go
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 19:21:05
March 15 2013 19:18 GMT
#570
On March 16 2013 04:09 Ctone23 wrote:
@ Grettin
What proof do you have other than the "EX-COO"
My argument was about the contradictory business model, not Phoenix, Arizona's housing market lol...


I rather believe someone who has worked in the company and who has actually handled things, rather than someone who claims to be a businessman(not that i don't believe you), who most likely won't know much about their (EG's) business.

Should've bolded the part from your previous post, i was simply trying to prove things (from Scoot's pov) concerning the expensive housing part.

Meanwhile, back in the US, EG owns a very expensive house with at least two professional players that make absolutely no contribution tournament-wise, which was essentially the basis for letting Puma go (highly contradictory to EG business model, ex. Incontrol casting and what not).


To be honest, i don't see how the housing part and two guys living there, who doesn't do as well in tournaments as others, has anything to do with Puma's release? It's been explained many times why InControl and even Machine are valuable to the team, despite lack of tournament results. Did i miss something from your post(s)?
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
gamerdude12345
Profile Joined August 2011
Korea (South)378 Posts
March 15 2013 19:21 GMT
#571
On March 16 2013 03:50 Ctone23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 03:45 Grettin wrote:
On March 16 2013 03:34 Ctone23 wrote:
On March 16 2013 01:31 ELA wrote:
On March 16 2013 01:16 Ctone23 wrote:
As a businessman myself, I find it hard to look at this with a lot of objectivity.

Typically if you are in a financial situation where you wish to obtain a higher goal (I.E. Proleague) then you objectively identify weaknesses and efficiency of the entire company (team).

At the end of the day, EG can do whatever they want to. However, my opinion is that they should take a broader approach to identifying goals and pursuing them.

GL Puma





Subjectively, this makes very little sense

Are you saying that Proleague as a goal, is bad for EG?


No, but bad business management could be..

In the article Alex expressed that EG was focusing on Korean events such as Proleague, he then went on to go into how Puma had lackluster results, insinuating Pumas salary vastly overwhelmed his performance.

Meanwhile, back in the US, EG owns a very expensive house with at least two professional players that make absolutely no contribution tournament-wise, which was essentially the basis for letting Puma go (highly contradictory to EG business model, ex. Incontrol casting and what not).



The house costs ~36,000 USD/year to EG according to Scoots, which is "literally nothing". It's located in Phoenix which is why its way cheaper compared to other cities, the players split the costs of utilities and food.

Listen about the house etc @56:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gfdh42U9F4


Um. http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2012/11/27/phoenix-arizona-home-price-gains-lead.html?page=all

Phoenix is an expensive place to live. On the flip side. They will get the money back when they sell at least.

All in all, good luck to Puma and I hope EG does well.


so EG buys the house but everyone living in it has to put up x amount of money each month to keep it sustained?
'One does not simply walk into Mordor"
KingDime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada750 Posts
March 15 2013 19:26 GMT
#572
If the assumption that Machine gets a fairly low salary is correct, it kind of confuses me why he would stay with EG. He is 25 and his skills even relative to the NA players has declined massively compared to 2010. I would think it would be a better plan to look in pursuing a career outside starcraft but thats not for me to decide. Feels like a massive waste of time unless his salary is not as low as some would assume.

I hate making a post like this but I can't see Machine willing to just stay in EG if he had a low salary like some mention in this thread.

Doom Guy
KaienFEMC
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada127 Posts
March 15 2013 19:29 GMT
#573
On March 16 2013 04:09 Ctone23 wrote:
@ Grettin


What proof do you have other than the "EX-COO"

My argument was about the contradictory business model, not Phoenix, Arizona's housing market lol...


Does ending a sentence with lol make you superior?

Do you really want Alex Garfield to bash Puma on how he never contributed to team exposure outside of the game and he isn't worth what he used to cost anymore? Can people not read between the lines?
There is a difference between "no fluff" and "being an asshole".
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 15 2013 19:29 GMT
#574
On March 16 2013 03:50 Ctone23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 03:45 Grettin wrote:
On March 16 2013 03:34 Ctone23 wrote:
On March 16 2013 01:31 ELA wrote:
On March 16 2013 01:16 Ctone23 wrote:
As a businessman myself, I find it hard to look at this with a lot of objectivity.

Typically if you are in a financial situation where you wish to obtain a higher goal (I.E. Proleague) then you objectively identify weaknesses and efficiency of the entire company (team).

At the end of the day, EG can do whatever they want to. However, my opinion is that they should take a broader approach to identifying goals and pursuing them.

GL Puma





Subjectively, this makes very little sense

Are you saying that Proleague as a goal, is bad for EG?


No, but bad business management could be..

In the article Alex expressed that EG was focusing on Korean events such as Proleague, he then went on to go into how Puma had lackluster results, insinuating Pumas salary vastly overwhelmed his performance.

Meanwhile, back in the US, EG owns a very expensive house with at least two professional players that make absolutely no contribution tournament-wise, which was essentially the basis for letting Puma go (highly contradictory to EG business model, ex. Incontrol casting and what not).



The house costs ~36,000 USD/year to EG according to Scoots, which is "literally nothing". It's located in Phoenix which is why its way cheaper compared to other cities, the players split the costs of utilities and food.

Listen about the house etc @56:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gfdh42U9F4


Um. http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2012/11/27/phoenix-arizona-home-price-gains-lead.html?page=all

Phoenix is an expensive place to live. On the flip side. They will get the money back when they sell at least.

All in all, good luck to Puma and I hope EG does well.


$36,000 a year is $3000 monthly. The house has at minimum 5 people living in it at a time, which equals to $600/monthly per person. That is beyond cheap for the quality of the living space and use they get out of it. Realistically, 5 college students could rent that place at that price with entry level jobs.

The house provides them with a number of uses, such as living space for players attending MLG from Korean, an international airport and media output. Considering it saves them the cost of hotel rooms and the man hours needed to book those hotel rooms, it is a net gain. It also saves EG money on salary for the US staff members, since they are providing cheap housing(they would need to pay them more to keep them on full time if the staff was renting).

But I am with Grettin, the amateur business experts of TL get annoying and really should be clamped down on. They just spread miss information.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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fireforce7
Profile Joined June 2010
United States334 Posts
March 15 2013 19:32 GMT
#575
that's a tough choice...I guess money is pretty importantat as well...sad they couldn't make up their minds. Good luck to Puma. I still love 1-1-1
I'm terranfying
bobsire
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada296 Posts
March 15 2013 19:33 GMT
#576
This is really sad, I wish PuMa the best of luck where ever life takes him.
yun90210
Profile Joined April 2011
2 Posts
March 15 2013 19:35 GMT
#577
It's sad but true -

white players are more marketable compare to asian players. So asian players have to perform and have results.
GohgamX
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1096 Posts
March 15 2013 19:40 GMT
#578
Poor Puma, he's such a nice guy. I hope he lands on his feet soon!
Time is a great teacher, unfortunate that it kills all its pupils ...
Azaryah
Profile Joined September 2010
United States55 Posts
March 15 2013 19:43 GMT
#579
Axiom Puma incoming
'Be water, my friend"
Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
March 15 2013 19:45 GMT
#580
Wow, my jaw physically dropped reading this. I hadn't been watching Proleague due to schedule constraints/HoTS binge-ing, but I didn't expect this. Pretty rough, but that's how esports works, I suppose.
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