EPTEG releases Ho Joon “PuMa” Lee - Page 28
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AimlessAmoeba
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kebeh
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Puma: Last "Good Result" was MLG Anaheim Last June where he placed in the 5th-6th spot. Honestly, Puma was one of my favorite in EG, but i completely understand the reasoning behind EG not keeping him at his current salary. You can compare it to "American" Football. Do you think all of the NFL teams keep under performing players on their rosters at high salary? No. This is actually good for esports in a way as it melds us closer to sports. Machine: He hasn't had a good result in ages, but I find it hard to believe that he makes anywhere close to what puma makes. Also, he is probably mainly used as a practice partner such as B-Teamers are for Kespa teams. Huk: Oh i'm sorry, I forgot huk hasn't had any results lately. I mean, he just got through the up and downs beating flying, fantasy, and center. Regardless of how he played in the ro32, which noted he did take a game off the gsl champion, making it through the up and downs is reason enough to give him a few months to see how he does in HotS. We also don't know if he has taken a restructured deal as well. IdrA: First of all, people calling for IdrA to be removed from EG are just silly. IdrA is EG. Plus, He really has shown a lot of potential recently that he can make a rebound. The biggest of these comes at the end of last year when he managed to take out Roro and Stephano back to back in his group for the WCS final. I'm sorry but if you think that's not a good accomplishment, then you don't watch starcraft. And then proceeded to lose to 3-1 to rain who at the time was probably in the top 3 of protoss' in the world. LzGamer(pre-release): The thing that bites at me about LZ is that his results really weren't that poor considering his lack of exposure/practice. I agree that he should have been parted ways with, but towards the end of his career with EG he was actually starting to do better in MLG's almost making it into the final champions loser bracket in both the summer and fall championship. Suppy: I honestly laughed a little when I saw a few people say Suppy should be released due to his results. The only thing I can think of is that people don't actually watch any tournaments and just like to pretend no one on EG does anything. Lately, Suppy has just won the CSL as his teams ace, beating a korean team consisting on kespa b-teamers. At the end of last year he managed to finish 5-8th in the WCS tournament, being the only player to really even give Parting a hassle. Suppy was one win away from beating Parting, where Scarlett got 3-0'd easily by Parting. Suppy's future is probably the brightest on all of EG other than maybe Stephano. This summer when suppy can devote full time to practice, people should watch out. Incontrol: I don't think I really need to say anything about Incontrol. He's actually a really nice guy as my friends have been able to work with him each winter doing a charity event "Rumble in the Bronze". I read in the thread that someone had compared him to artosis, and I completely agree. I think He'll start to transition over to casting moreso full time, with occasional attempts to still compete in tournaments such as mlg if he is not casting them. To be a great caster you need to still have a competitive inkling, because that's what makes you better at analyzing the game. Overall, Please, actually read before you post some of this nonsense that we all are reading in the thread. | ||
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MrSparkle
Canada135 Posts
Also, love the sexy, no fluff press release. | ||
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scarrface16
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Reebs
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Tough luck for Puma but I bet he will get another team and I hope that EG brings in another terran | ||
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Azriel
Mexico462 Posts
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SayGen
United States1209 Posts
Team EG needs to be wise with its money and buy all the top tier players. Sadly many SC players get to that top .5% and lose focus or fail to adapt to the meta. "Hey i'm a great pro gamer, now i'm just gonna sit back and rela-..-..-.......lose" | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
The good news at least is it should be possible to find a comparable terran in Korea for cheaper. | ||
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CYfiri
Sweden25 Posts
On March 15 2013 14:22 Noobity wrote: I kinda assumed this was coming at some point. Sad to hear, but as the press release said there simply weren't the results posting. I think what's interesting is that while there was the usual fluff (whether true or not is irrelevant) there was a lot of what seems like blatant honesty here, which surprised me. I'm sure everything about Puma being a great teamate and how he'll be missed is all true, don't get me wrong, but to say that he was approached due to results and that he ended up deciding to part ways despite the offers from EG is interesting and a fresh dose of honesty. I hope he's able to find a team that fits him as well as EG did, and that he's able to start showing the results he used to. This kind of gives a lot more credibility to the Alive joining EG rumors now. Despite any friendships that were involved, I think Alive would probably show better results in proleague than Puma did. It is refreshing to see some real reasons and not just the usual fluff from other teams. | ||
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ihOpe
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aznball123
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On March 16 2013 02:52 kebeh wrote:+ Show Spoiler + You all really don't look at the post before you read, nor do you actually think logically when you do read it. If you actually look at the stats and results for that last year or so, it makes complete sense Puma: Last "Good Result" was MLG Anaheim Last June where he placed in the 5th-6th spot. Honestly, Puma was one of my favorite in EG, but i completely understand the reasoning behind EG not keeping him at his current salary. You can compare it to "American" Football. Do you think all of the NFL teams keep under performing players on their rosters at high salary? No. This is actually good for esports in a way as it melds us closer to sports. Machine: He hasn't had a good result in ages, but I find it hard to believe that he makes anywhere close to what puma makes. Also, he is probably mainly used as a practice partner such as B-Teamers are for Kespa teams. Huk: Oh i'm sorry, I forgot huk hasn't had any results lately. I mean, he just got through the up and downs beating flying, fantasy, and center. Regardless of how he played in the ro32, which noted he did take a game off the gsl champion, making it through the up and downs is reason enough to give him a few months to see how he does in HotS. We also don't know if he has taken a restructured deal as well. IdrA: First of all, people calling for IdrA to be removed from EG are just silly. IdrA is EG. Plus, He really has shown a lot of potential recently that he can make a rebound. The biggest of these comes at the end of last year when he managed to take out Roro and Stephano back to back in his group for the WCS final. I'm sorry but if you think that's not a good accomplishment, then you don't watch starcraft. And then proceeded to lose to 3-1 to rain who at the time was probably in the top 3 of protoss' in the world. LzGamer(pre-release): The thing that bites at me about LZ is that his results really weren't that poor considering his lack of exposure/practice. I agree that he should have been parted ways with, but towards the end of his career with EG he was actually starting to do better in MLG's almost making it into the final champions loser bracket in both the summer and fall championship. Suppy: I honestly laughed a little when I saw a few people say Suppy should be released due to his results. The only thing I can think of is that people don't actually watch any tournaments and just like to pretend no one on EG does anything. Lately, Suppy has just won the CSL as his teams ace, beating a korean team consisting on kespa b-teamers. At the end of last year he managed to finish 5-8th in the WCS tournament, being the only player to really even give Parting a hassle. Suppy was one win away from beating Parting, where Scarlett got 3-0'd easily by Parting. Suppy's future is probably the brightest on all of EG other than maybe Stephano. This summer when suppy can devote full time to practice, people should watch out. Incontrol: I don't think I really need to say anything about Incontrol. He's actually a really nice guy as my friends have been able to work with him each winter doing a charity event "Rumble in the Bronze". I read in the thread that someone had compared him to artosis, and I completely agree. I think He'll start to transition over to casting moreso full time, with occasional attempts to still compete in tournaments such as mlg if he is not casting them. To be a great caster you need to still have a competitive inkling, because that's what makes you better at analyzing the game. Overall, Please, actually read before you post some of this nonsense that we all are reading in the thread. I agree with everything you've said, but it should be remembered that Lz was offered a new contract but turned it down. He wasn't released. In the end it's the same problem all foreign teams face - they challenge Koreans and as a result are expected to consistently beat Koreans and place above them. Apart from, I would say, about 5-10 foreigners (Stephano, Lucifron, Vortix, Thorzain, Mana and Scarlett being the most consistent) foreigners WILL NOT win an event with large Korean attendance. Expecting players like Idra or Huk - who are still some of the best foreigners in the world - to win major tournaments is ridiculous. Indeed, expecting any foreigner to win major tournaments now is next to impossible with the Kespa players adding to the depth of the Korean talent pool. Foreign teams need Koreans to win the tournaments - that's what Taeja and HerO do for Liquid, and what Puma used to do for EG. The other players cannot ever be expected to consistently outperform Koreans (except maybe Stephano). | ||
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catplanetcatplanet
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viasacra89
United States134 Posts
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Canucklehead
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Ctone23
United States1841 Posts
On March 16 2013 01:31 ELA wrote: Subjectively, this makes very little sense Are you saying that Proleague as a goal, is bad for EG? No, but bad business management could be.. In the article Alex expressed that EG was focusing on Korean events such as Proleague, he then went on to go into how Puma had lackluster results, insinuating Pumas salary vastly overwhelmed his performance. Meanwhile, back in the US, EG owns a very expensive house with at least two professional players that make absolutely no contribution tournament-wise, which was essentially the basis for letting Puma go (highly contradictory to EG business model, ex. Incontrol casting and what not). I just thought the article was over the top and seemed to almost bash Puma for all of his efforts, and I wanted to give an honest opinion. | ||
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vinsang1000
Belgium365 Posts
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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Grettin
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On March 16 2013 03:34 Ctone23 wrote: No, but bad business management could be.. In the article Alex expressed that EG was focusing on Korean events such as Proleague, he then went on to go into how Puma had lackluster results, insinuating Pumas salary vastly overwhelmed his performance. Meanwhile, back in the US, EG owns a very expensive house with at least two professional players that make absolutely no contribution tournament-wise, which was essentially the basis for letting Puma go (highly contradictory to EG business model, ex. Incontrol casting and what not). The house costs ~36,000 USD/year to EG according to Scoots, which is "literally nothing". It's located in Phoenix which is why its way cheaper compared to other cities, the players split the costs of utilities and food. Listen about the house etc @56:05 | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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