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United States97276 Posts
Flying has been playing very well lately. Interested to see if he can keep it up or if he will fade away again like he did before
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My concern as a Kespa fan is that the majority of kespa players have spent all their time of WoL where ESF and foreigners have spent a ton of time in beta. I fear that the early HOTS tournaments will put them behind. Flying seems pretty confident but i doubt he has put in even a 3rd as much time in HOTS as say Violet or Genius.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
i really don't think it will take more than a month to catch up
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On March 07 2013 14:35 opterown wrote:
i really don't think it will take more than a month to catch up
It still could mean a large number of kespa players falling from code S, for example.
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If they caught up being 2 years behind in a completely different game, pretty sure they can handle being 2 months behind in an expansion, just saying, use your head
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flying is much a smart player, would fit in well with LG-IM
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On March 07 2013 14:33 Maghetti wrote:
My concern as a Kespa fan is that the majority of kespa players have spent all their time of WoL where ESF and foreigners have spent a ton of time in beta. I fear that the early HOTS tournaments will put them behind. Flying seems pretty confident but i doubt he has put in even a 3rd as much time in HOTS as say Violet or Genius.
In the long run, it's nothing. Esf had 2 years over Kespa in Wol and look what happened. Kespa dudes might get thrashed this first GSL (or not, we'll see), but I'm not concerned. What I am concerned about though is Flash at this coming MLG >_>
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kespa wont get thrashed at all, the next months will all be about who figures out the most imba strats first and abuses them before nerfs are coming haha
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On March 07 2013 14:37 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 14:35 opterown wrote:
i really don't think it will take more than a month to catch up It still could mean a large number of kespa players falling from code S, for example.
there's about a month break there too, and you can be sure kespa will work hard for pl
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
Sorry for the delay. soO's interview is now up.
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United States97276 Posts
Hooray for MajOr for helping with practice!
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MajOr helping soO practice? nice to see his name in some of these interviews.
Good day for my liquibet 
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On March 07 2013 14:33 Maghetti wrote:
My concern as a Kespa fan is that the majority of kespa players have spent all their time of WoL where ESF and foreigners have spent a ton of time in beta. I fear that the early HOTS tournaments will put them behind. Flying seems pretty confident but i doubt he has put in even a 3rd as much time in HOTS as say Violet or Genius.
Bisu should be grinding HOTS beta if he's not washing dishes...I hope.
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It doesn't matter if the non-KeSPA players had a headstart in HOTS since the game has a long way to being figured out (and a lot of patching to do I'm sure). It's not like everyone has to go the same path the moment they switch to a new game. Ever heard about innovation? With their training regimen and resources it won't be long before KeSPA starts dictating the meta-game.
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Woah major getting a shoutout nice~
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TLADT24920 Posts
thanks for the translations! love the confidence that Flying is displaying about HoTS! As mentioned, I think they will be fine even if esf players had a bit of a head start especially when you consider that there will be a lot of imba strats at the start of HoTS and patching. That and the transition they made from BW to WoL is a much much big jump then WoL to HoTS for obvious reasons lol
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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Why dont koreans study english in schools? I think most of european countries have english in their schools as default foreign language. English is also so important language in the world that it has to be teached or the country just ends up being very isolated. Korean schools do not teach english and this is why it is so isolated country.
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Ahahahaha, Soo, "I knew some 2 rax shenanigan was coming but still lost to it."
A good day for Kespa indeed.
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It's time..... for K-K-K-KESPA
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On March 07 2013 19:20 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Why dont koreans study english in schools? I think most of european countries have english in their schools as default foreign language. English is also so important language in the world that it has to be teached or the country just ends up being very isolated. Korean schools do not teach english and this is why it is so isolated country.
How is Korean an isolated country? Imo, Korean is more open than Japan, since they don't have a rich culture like China and Japan, they can embrace western culture much easier. Lots of them are christian, you can't see the same for China and Japan, or any other eastern Asian countries. And where did you get the idea that they don't teach English in school, didn't see anything mentioned about English in these interviews.
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On March 07 2013 19:20 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Why dont koreans study english in schools? I think most of european countries have english in their schools as default foreign language. English is also so important language in the world that it has to be teached or the country just ends up being very isolated. Korean schools do not teach english and this is why it is so isolated country.
I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. ._. Unless you're talking about...North Korea....lol.....(which I know you aren't)
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Thanks for interview Seeker!
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Koreans have no clue about how to speak english it seems, everyone needs translator except very few. Korea is very isolated country compared to many european countries already purely because of language barrier.
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On March 08 2013 13:27 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Koreans have no clue about how to speak english it seems, everyone needs translator except very few. Korea is very isolated country compared to many european countries already purely because of language barrier.
That's a very bad argument for why Korea is an isolated country lol
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On March 08 2013 15:04 regizer239 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 13:27 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Koreans have no clue about how to speak english it seems, everyone needs translator except very few. Korea is very isolated country compared to many european countries already purely because of language barrier. That's a very bad argument for why Korea is an isolated country lol
Language is pretty important.
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On March 08 2013 15:05 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 15:04 regizer239 wrote:On March 08 2013 13:27 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Koreans have no clue about how to speak english it seems, everyone needs translator except very few. Korea is very isolated country compared to many european countries already purely because of language barrier. That's a very bad argument for why Korea is an isolated country lol Language is pretty important.
They live in Korea. Learning a second language is not their priority, especially for progamers who spend most of their time practice playing starcraft.
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Many countries have a foreign language as a second language to be teached in schools. For an example in finland everyone has to study english. Why doesnt korea have that?
Having no ability to understand other than your motherlanguage that is not used anywhere else is very limiting and causes the citizens be very isolated from outside world compared to countries where english is taught.
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On March 08 2013 15:16 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Many countries have a foreign language as a second language to be teached in schools. For an example in finland everyone has to study english. Why doesnt korea have that?
Having no ability to understand other than your motherlanguage that is not used anywhere else is very limiting and causes the citizens be very isolated from outside world compared to countries where english is taught.
They do teach English in Korean schools, please do at least some research before making ignorant statements...
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Then why do they need translator for everything? And when somebody tries to speak english, its so broken and they dont even know words.
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I'm just gonna assume and hope you're a troll, if not just reread what I already wrote.
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Seems that you ran out of arguments or something.
I am not very familiar with koreans school system, but according to pro gamers total inability to speak any coherent english I have to assume that korean basic education teaches no english, otherwise they would not need english translators.
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To be fair, european english classes obviously teaches excellent english by the large amount of europeans who can speak it amazingly well for it being a second language. Where most koreans have little to no english skills. They either teach it badly or not at all or as an elective.
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On March 08 2013 15:33 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Seems that you ran out of arguments or something.
I am not very familiar with koreans school system, but according to pro gamers total inability to speak any coherent english I have to assume that korean basic education teaches no english, otherwise they would not need english translators.
I think a lot of them do have a basic grasp of English since they are taught in Korea. But I think it has to do with circumstances as well. Not too many teenagers would be comfortable speaking in front of a crowd of 1000 strangers (MLG, IEM, IPL, etc). Add to that these are teenagers pro gamers who spend most of their time in front of a PC. Plus it is not their native language. So I can see why they would have trouble and would rather speak in their native tougue.
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On March 08 2013 15:41 Maghetti wrote:
To be fair, european english classes obviously teaches excellent english by the large amount of europeans who can speak it amazingly well for it being a second language. Where most koreans have little to no english skills. They either teach it badly or not at all or as an elective.
I think it also has to do with the fact the English in more prevalent in EU countries (not just in school but in society in general). And even in EU, I think there is a large difference from country to country.
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Understanable, but it does not quiet hold water because no pro gamers from other nationalities need translators to this extent or at all.
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On March 08 2013 15:33 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Seems that you ran out of arguments or something.
I am not very familiar with koreans school system, but according to pro gamers total inability to speak any coherent english I have to assume that korean basic education teaches no english, otherwise they would not need english translators.
They do study english but consider the following: They use hangul and have to learn a totally different set of characters; they have to study a language where half of the phonetics are totally new for them (since there's no V or F in Korean for example). Have you tried learning Korean, Chinese, Japanese, or Arabic for example? And what's so wrong about being culturally diverse.
Btw, they are super friendly, and actually it's very hard for one to speak Korean here, because all they do is trying to practice their English with you since you are a foreigner.
If something, it's not Korea who is isolated but more like the world hasn't really "discovered" them as much as China or Japan for example. But just because those have more exposure (and that's why you also have these weird ideas about them) doesn't necessarily mean that this country is secluded at all.
Try to be a bit more open minded.
On topic: Thanks Seeker, WOONGJIN HWAITING!!
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On March 08 2013 15:43 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Understanable, but it does not quiet hold water because no pro gamers from other nationalities need translators to this extent or at all.
I don't think Chinese pros are too fluent in English either. I don't think you can really compare EU to Asian countries in terms of English. It is just not as common place in Asian countries as it is in EU(except for places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, etc). In 50 years, you will see Asians wonder why those EU people don't know how to speak Chinese.
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Yeah, but the question was whats the ultimate reason for their bad english skills. You said that they have to learn different alphabets and some new phonetics, which can be major reason. But still, something just doesnt click here. What is the quality of their basic english education? Like are the teachers not even good at english?
For an example, here in Finland even 16 year old students already have quiet good grasp of both written and spoken english which is lightyears away from koreans.
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Almost all koreans have a really good grasp of reading and writing English. A lot of college level Koreans are even better than any other country at English writing tests since they are forced to study the structure and grammar at very deep level compared to education in most other countries. However, Korean schools do not really emphasize speaking ability or listening all that much. Those skills are mostly learned at tutor school if you want to go beyond school's requirements. Most don't care much for putting the effort towards it because they will never need the skill set.
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What I have seen koreans here in teamliquid, their written english is just bad.
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On March 08 2013 16:22 Colpan wrote:
Almost all koreans have a really good grasp of reading and writing English. A lot of college level Koreans are even better than any other country at English writing tests since they are forced to study the structure and grammar at very deep level compared to education in most other countries. However, Korean schools do not really emphasize speaking ability or listening all that much. Those skills are mostly learned at tutor school if you want to go beyond school's requirements. Most don't care much for putting the effort towards it because they will never need the skill set.
This. But you overrate their reading and writing ability. They may get good grades while at school but since they never use the language outside school they never become fluent in it. While I lived in Japan I have met a ton of Koreans (they're literally everywhere) but only one of them could speak and understand some English (and she wasn't that good either)! But it's exactly the same with Japanese. Some try to converse with foreigners but most are just too shy to even try. If you never practice the language you'll never become fluent in it. Period. There's little use for English in a country like Korea once you leave school.
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Can we get back on track guys? Like talking about this historic Up/Down Group? Imagine if Rain would have played.
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On March 08 2013 15:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Yeah, but the question was whats the ultimate reason for their bad english skills. You said that they have to learn different alphabets and some new phonetics, which can be major reason. But still, something just doesnt click here. What is the quality of their basic english education? Like are the teachers not even good at english?
For an example, here in Finland even 16 year old students already have quiet good grasp of both written and spoken english which is lightyears away from koreans.
Why don't you speak Korean then? Give you 10 years to learn Korean or Chinese in Finland, I doubt you will be fluent in either one. Asian and EU languages are too different from each other.
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I'm happy to see MajOr getting a shoutout.
I can't wait to see how he has improved.
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Nice shoutout to MajOr :D
Also, whats with the guy complaining that people living in another country don't speak English? >_>
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Yeah, guys. What a horrible horrible derailing of a thread LOL.
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