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It's sad that IPL is the first major tournament to fold. I thought their production value and their casting crew was one of the best non-GSL ones and I really like their shows.
At least I think this will fight the oversaturation a little so the other events have the potential for more viewership. Alas, IPL was the one that stumbled first 
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On March 06 2013 02:37 MrRicewife wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 00:28 chaos021 wrote:On March 05 2013 17:34 MrRicewife wrote:
By the way, The decision must not be obvious because you're wrong. If you knew what capitalism was about, you would have to agree building a trusting relationship with your customers is just as important as expanding and growing. The two go hand in hand. So yes, sometimes you have to suffer in the interest of the future relationship you create with your customers. In this case, IPL took the ez way out, and now is left with a lot of disappointed customers.
If you care to disagree, Microsoft is an example:
Slowly but surely, they have been ignoring the demands of what people want. They have been failing to listen, and in turn, gave up what was essentially (and legally at one point) a monopoly to Apple. Which is a company that one man worked at who could understand just how important it was to please their customer, or at the very least convince them that they care. LOL. You're nuts. I wouldn't bleed a crapload of money just to keep a bunch of people happy. You're basically saying they should bleed their backers' money even though they know they won't break even. Would you bleed money if you knew a potato farm you invested in was going under regardless? I love some french fries man. You should show me some love. Also, if you think Steve Jobs gave a flying shit what anyone else thought, you have an amazing talent at revising history. Again, with these personal attacks, why can't anyone just debate properly anymore? Anyway... I won't bother explaining why you're wrong, simply because Magic_Mike made it quite clear why you are. I will answer your question though. Your potato example is kind of a poor example of what we are talking about, but I know what you were trying to say. If said potato farm (my farm) promised a lot of regular customers that they were going to hold a potato convention (in hopes to make money from selling potatoes to them, potato merchandise, etc), and because my staff is so incompetent that last minute we realized it would be a flop, YES, I would still run the convention. 100% without even thinking. Why? Because I'm not a stupid idiot who can't vision the future. Who realizes that a dollar is valuable, but customer appreciation and relationship is invaluable a word that most people in this thread seem to be lacking in their vocab. Now, I must correct you about your Steve Jobs comment. It's very clear to me that you didn't read his autobiography, written by a respectable, trusting author, someone who doesn't stretch facts to make the story better, but someone who paints a picture black and white without anything hidden in the wood works; Walter Isaacson. Just that book alone should have shown you that Steve Jobs did in fact, as you immaturely put, "gave a flying shit". I'm not even going to get into his motivations of why he created apple, and why he left, why he came back, why he innovated entire industries etc etc. I just want to make it clear, that that man did care about what everyone else thought. And that is exactly, and in large, why Apple was successful. A true visionary is invaluable, and the rewards are endless, as proven by said company, and many others, as Magic_Mike so kindly pointed out. In other words, read a book before you say something, because that's just silly, and it makes you look ignorant. Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 00:51 nimdil wrote:On March 05 2013 17:34 MrRicewife wrote:
By the way, The decision must not be obvious because you're wrong. If you knew what capitalism was about, you would have to agree building a trusting relationship with your customers is just as important as expanding and growing. The two go hand in hand. So yes, sometimes you have to suffer in the interest of the future relationship you create with your customers. In this case, IPL took the ez way out, and now is left with a lot of disappointed customers.
If you care to disagree, Microsoft is an example:
Slowly but surely, they have been ignoring the demands of what people want. They have been failing to listen, and in turn, gave up what was essentially (and legally at one point) a monopoly to Apple. Which is a company that one man worked at who could understand just how important it was to please their customer, or at the very least convince them that they care. Wow, that's complete nonsense plus Apple evangelism in one. On a side note - Microsoft is still king in office environment and in gaming world. And that's where are people really loyal to them. Oh, sorry. I am so glad you took the time to elaborate and explain why it is non-sense. I can see clearly now, and I digress. Thank you for pointing out how nonsensical everything I said was, I feel so foolish now.... :/ On a side note - Microsoft is not king, lol. I'm very happy you decided to provide evidence on your claim though. I'll just post a little something, because oddly enough, it conflicts to your hardcore evidence: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/12/13/microsofts-market-share-drops-from-97-to-20-in-just-over-a-decade/In case you don't feel like taking that long journey by clicking on another link and, gasp, reading... I'll summarize for you: Microsoft, in a decade, has lost market share from 97% to 20% in a decade or so. How you define market share, is really up to you, but how I define it as, is the Lion's share in certain industries. And when you total them all up, OS sales, Phones, Gaming, Tablets, Subscriptions, Music, etc... Microsoft was at the very top with an impressive monopoly, and crashed and burned because they simply just weren't listening to us. They were pumping out shit products, and gave the worst response : you can have any color you want, as long as it's black. Well, that just gives a huge opportunity for a hungry businessman to come in and eat you alive, which is what has happened the last 15 years to Microsoft. Failure after failure, and now look at Microsoft... struggling in comparison to their competition. Almost a riches to rags. This was all because they just couldn't understand that consumers aren't stupid, or if we are, at least we know what we want. So listen to us. And if you don't want to do that, at the very least, trick us into thinking it's what we want, kind of like what Apple has done. Granted the products they produce are still very good, just extremely controlled, which in turn, is costing them a lot of business to Google. A company which really stands alone at listening to what the consumer wants and actually gives them what they want. Let's see here... hmm... yup, google is still rich, and expanding. Kind of the opposite of the king, Microsoft x.x One thing that you said was slightly correct, yes, I'm somewhat of an Apple fanboy as you will. Do I own any apple products? No actually. Have I? Yes, but I sold those products and moved on to a company who treats me right and listens to me. But I do appreciate a good company, Apple, so in turn you will see me evangelize that company, sure.
Taken from your forbes link:
What these numbers really reflect is the change in what is being considered a computing device. Which might indeed be a valid way of looking at things: I think we can all see a day coming, and coming soon, when a desktop PC is just not considered an essential piece of equipment at all."
So in other words, Apple is still losing in the corporate and gaming sector, get over it fanboi. BTW, just because you have to "cook the books" to prove your point makes your entire argument flawed and invalid. GG =D.
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Sad to hear, IPL 5 was one of the absolute greatest SC2 events, and i think they crew did a awesome job. Really sad to see it go down, but it's understandable and it was expected.
Good to hear they are giving full refunds, feel bad for all the people who booked flights.
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On March 05 2013 22:11 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 22:03 Gemini_sc2 wrote:On March 05 2013 21:51 Gosi wrote:On March 05 2013 18:24 Soda-88 wrote:On March 05 2013 18:21 samwise_the_brave wrote:
sc2 is going to die !theire statement is total bs . when they would have wrote sth like :" sry but we cant make money with sc2" it would have been the truth . Yeah, SC2 is going to die. In 10-15 years. Seriously tho, you believe we will sit here 2023 watching sc2 as an "esport"? :p SC3?  SC:BW 
Touche!
On March 05 2013 21:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 21:51 Gosi wrote:On March 05 2013 18:24 Soda-88 wrote:On March 05 2013 18:21 samwise_the_brave wrote:
sc2 is going to die !theire statement is total bs . when they would have wrote sth like :" sry but we cant make money with sc2" it would have been the truth . Yeah, SC2 is going to die. In 10-15 years. Seriously tho, you believe we will sit here 2023 watching sc2 as an "esport"? :p I expect a little renewed interest when Legacy of the Void is finally released
And after that? lol ..
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We went from $5,000 online StarCraft 2 tournaments to one of the world’s best and largest eSports events.
I guess that is were it went wrong... wanting it all too fast. I never understood how one could host in a deluxe hotel in Vegas and have huge prizepools with the relatively small number of e-sports viewers, it just seemed so out of balance.
I feel bad for all the folks who had already booked flights though.
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I'm surprised no one's mentioning the fact that IGN just got sold for less than the 100 million asking price. Considering in 05 it was bought for over 650 million. It seems to suggest IGN is in a lot of trouble atm.
After a situation like this it's pretty common for the purchased company to be stripped down quite a bit and then rebuilt.
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On March 06 2013 04:35 HiTeK532 wrote:
I'm surprised no one's mentioning the fact that IGN just got sold for less than the 100 million asking price. Considering in 05 it was bought for over 650 million. It seems to suggest IGN is in a lot of trouble atm.
After a situation like this it's pretty common for the purchased company to be stripped down quite a bit and then rebuilt.
I remember actually using IGN back in the day to look up cheats, reviews, and information regarding upcoming releases. These days I can't even remember the last time I used them for anything other then what has been given to me by a random google search for older game cheat codes.
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On March 06 2013 03:14 garlicface wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 11:52 Defacer wrote:On March 05 2013 11:44 MVega wrote:I knew, I just knew some people would somehow try to blame this on StarCraft. Blaming this on LoL is equally ridiculous though. Plain and simply this was a business decision. They couldn't justify the cost of the event and somehow figured that it would be cheaper to cancel the event this close to it than to go through with it. Honestly I don't blame them. Viewership for both LoL and StarCraft would likely have been at much lower levels than they'd have liked. LoL because of a competing event, and StarCraft because weeks after HotS launch very few people are going to want to watch the WoL portions of the event. I don't like how IGN handled this situation at all. That said it's a lose-lose for them, and they took the smaller loss. On March 05 2013 10:55 Defacer wrote:On March 05 2013 10:33 Arceus wrote:
So they basically find out that this event could not yield returns and back the fuck out last minute.
I mean, really? Did they do any market research and shit or just pour money in and cancel whenever it doesnt seem ok? Step back for a moment and put yourself in there shoes. a) Run an expensive videogame tournament and hemorrhage money because you said you would. b) Piss off the fan base of a market that's shrinking anyways. It sucks ass, but the decision in this case in obvious. A majority of HOTS' features caters strictly to increasingly diehard fans. They should have pulled the cord earlier, but hey, firing and downsizing an entire team is a tough pill to swallow for any company. So you haven't been paying attention to HotS at all then? Most of the HotS features cater to the casual players. The stuff for the hardcore fans is already solid. You mean XP? Earning skins? Non-ladder 1v1? I mean, that's all fine and dandy, but trust me — the philosophy of balancing for pro players is really, really holding back what the game designers can do creatively. For example: Lurkers. Everyone loves lurkers. Everyone wants lurkers. They already have models of them, for crying out loud. But they can't just give players lurkers without affecting game balance. Imagine if there was a totally separate ladder — let's call it Wood league — where players earn (or buy!) XP, and can unlock lurkers, or Massive Queens, and Science Vessels, or Odins. You can have island maps, giant maps, all-gold maps or maps with all the destructible and collapsible imba BS you want. It would be an entirely broken, ridiculous ladder separate from the real 'pro' ladder ... but it would also be a lot of fun, with a lot of incentive for complete newbs to grind away and earn skins, spells or entire units. Re-reading through the older posts now and I have to say, something that's not necessarily meant to be broken, but just meant to be FUN would be great for SC2. The only reason why I can't consistently play SC2 is because I don't want to play with the mindset of "I have to get better or I'll keep losing". That's simply because in SC2, I feel like the only fun comes from winning. At my level, I just can't make creative strategies work because I am lacking in mechanics, and I would be too far behind my opponent. In LoL, I can do whatever stupid shit I want, laugh about with friends - I can talk about team games another time - and probably still win because the game is so much easier mechanically, and as long as I can keep my basic mechanics (last hitting) up, I'll probably still win despite having an awful item build. That said, if something like what the quoted poster proposed was introduced, and I could enjoy it in 1v1 as well as with friends in customs or team ladders, then I would probably play SC2 just a bit more. But on top of that, you should still be able to "earn" something in these joke ladders. Achievements simply aren't enough anymore. Introduce an in-game currency that the casual players have an equal shot of earning, and make the incentives something that you could enjoy showing off to others (e.g. radioactive skin for my banelings, ice shards for the spines my lurkers fire, etc.).
Thanks. The problem with SC2 right now is that you actually have to be good at it to enjoy it. There are some players that will ALWAYS be gold players, no matter how many hours they dump into it.
They really should provide a separate game experience that doesn't just reward skill, but it rewards simple participation. Call it the Wood league or Beer League or whatever, but just create an environment where you can earn and trade in XP, even when you lose, for real in-game benefits.
That way a compete newb can lose 8 games in a row, but then trade away all his XP for 2000m/2000 gas or a mothership at the start of his next game, win an easy game and HAVE FUN.
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On March 06 2013 04:16 matiK23 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:11 SamanthaRain wrote:
I can't say I'm not surprised, after the multiple $100k tournaments for random games. Why would you host a $100k tournament for a game that had less than a total of 20k players, hasn't had any viewer numbers in the past history, was in beta, made by a totally unknown company?
Well, I guess that's a good, but expensive, lesson to learn. Pro Tip: Do some research before wasting $100k then ending up only getting a peak of 2k viewers during the grand finals. Which game was this?
Shootmania
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On March 06 2013 04:22 FromShouri wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 02:37 MrRicewife wrote:On March 06 2013 00:28 chaos021 wrote:On March 05 2013 17:34 MrRicewife wrote:
By the way, The decision must not be obvious because you're wrong. If you knew what capitalism was about, you would have to agree building a trusting relationship with your customers is just as important as expanding and growing. The two go hand in hand. So yes, sometimes you have to suffer in the interest of the future relationship you create with your customers. In this case, IPL took the ez way out, and now is left with a lot of disappointed customers.
If you care to disagree, Microsoft is an example:
Slowly but surely, they have been ignoring the demands of what people want. They have been failing to listen, and in turn, gave up what was essentially (and legally at one point) a monopoly to Apple. Which is a company that one man worked at who could understand just how important it was to please their customer, or at the very least convince them that they care. LOL. You're nuts. I wouldn't bleed a crapload of money just to keep a bunch of people happy. You're basically saying they should bleed their backers' money even though they know they won't break even. Would you bleed money if you knew a potato farm you invested in was going under regardless? I love some french fries man. You should show me some love. Also, if you think Steve Jobs gave a flying shit what anyone else thought, you have an amazing talent at revising history. Again, with these personal attacks, why can't anyone just debate properly anymore? Anyway... I won't bother explaining why you're wrong, simply because Magic_Mike made it quite clear why you are. I will answer your question though. Your potato example is kind of a poor example of what we are talking about, but I know what you were trying to say. If said potato farm (my farm) promised a lot of regular customers that they were going to hold a potato convention (in hopes to make money from selling potatoes to them, potato merchandise, etc), and because my staff is so incompetent that last minute we realized it would be a flop, YES, I would still run the convention. 100% without even thinking. Why? Because I'm not a stupid idiot who can't vision the future. Who realizes that a dollar is valuable, but customer appreciation and relationship is invaluable a word that most people in this thread seem to be lacking in their vocab. Now, I must correct you about your Steve Jobs comment. It's very clear to me that you didn't read his autobiography, written by a respectable, trusting author, someone who doesn't stretch facts to make the story better, but someone who paints a picture black and white without anything hidden in the wood works; Walter Isaacson. Just that book alone should have shown you that Steve Jobs did in fact, as you immaturely put, "gave a flying shit". I'm not even going to get into his motivations of why he created apple, and why he left, why he came back, why he innovated entire industries etc etc. I just want to make it clear, that that man did care about what everyone else thought. And that is exactly, and in large, why Apple was successful. A true visionary is invaluable, and the rewards are endless, as proven by said company, and many others, as Magic_Mike so kindly pointed out. In other words, read a book before you say something, because that's just silly, and it makes you look ignorant. On March 06 2013 00:51 nimdil wrote:On March 05 2013 17:34 MrRicewife wrote:
By the way, The decision must not be obvious because you're wrong. If you knew what capitalism was about, you would have to agree building a trusting relationship with your customers is just as important as expanding and growing. The two go hand in hand. So yes, sometimes you have to suffer in the interest of the future relationship you create with your customers. In this case, IPL took the ez way out, and now is left with a lot of disappointed customers.
If you care to disagree, Microsoft is an example:
Slowly but surely, they have been ignoring the demands of what people want. They have been failing to listen, and in turn, gave up what was essentially (and legally at one point) a monopoly to Apple. Which is a company that one man worked at who could understand just how important it was to please their customer, or at the very least convince them that they care. Wow, that's complete nonsense plus Apple evangelism in one. On a side note - Microsoft is still king in office environment and in gaming world. And that's where are people really loyal to them. Oh, sorry. I am so glad you took the time to elaborate and explain why it is non-sense. I can see clearly now, and I digress. Thank you for pointing out how nonsensical everything I said was, I feel so foolish now.... :/ On a side note - Microsoft is not king, lol. I'm very happy you decided to provide evidence on your claim though. I'll just post a little something, because oddly enough, it conflicts to your hardcore evidence: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/12/13/microsofts-market-share-drops-from-97-to-20-in-just-over-a-decade/In case you don't feel like taking that long journey by clicking on another link and, gasp, reading... I'll summarize for you: Microsoft, in a decade, has lost market share from 97% to 20% in a decade or so. How you define market share, is really up to you, but how I define it as, is the Lion's share in certain industries. And when you total them all up, OS sales, Phones, Gaming, Tablets, Subscriptions, Music, etc... Microsoft was at the very top with an impressive monopoly, and crashed and burned because they simply just weren't listening to us. They were pumping out shit products, and gave the worst response : you can have any color you want, as long as it's black. Well, that just gives a huge opportunity for a hungry businessman to come in and eat you alive, which is what has happened the last 15 years to Microsoft. Failure after failure, and now look at Microsoft... struggling in comparison to their competition. Almost a riches to rags. This was all because they just couldn't understand that consumers aren't stupid, or if we are, at least we know what we want. So listen to us. And if you don't want to do that, at the very least, trick us into thinking it's what we want, kind of like what Apple has done. Granted the products they produce are still very good, just extremely controlled, which in turn, is costing them a lot of business to Google. A company which really stands alone at listening to what the consumer wants and actually gives them what they want. Let's see here... hmm... yup, google is still rich, and expanding. Kind of the opposite of the king, Microsoft x.x One thing that you said was slightly correct, yes, I'm somewhat of an Apple fanboy as you will. Do I own any apple products? No actually. Have I? Yes, but I sold those products and moved on to a company who treats me right and listens to me. But I do appreciate a good company, Apple, so in turn you will see me evangelize that company, sure. Taken from your forbes link: Show nested quote +
What these numbers really reflect is the change in what is being considered a computing device. Which might indeed be a valid way of looking at things: I think we can all see a day coming, and coming soon, when a desktop PC is just not considered an essential piece of equipment at all."
So in other words, Apple is still losing in the corporate and gaming sector, get over it fanboi. BTW, just because you have to "cook the books" to prove your point makes your entire argument flawed and invalid. GG =D.
What the hell... That wasn't my point at all. I never said they were the top, or champions or anything. My point was Microsoft is not king, and I said that because their work practices coincide vaguely with what IPL did just recently.
Stop derailing this thread, and why call me a fanboi? That's just rude, and I don't own any apple products so how am I supposed to be one anyway?
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On March 06 2013 04:54 MrRicewife wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:22 FromShouri wrote:On March 06 2013 02:37 MrRicewife wrote:On March 06 2013 00:28 chaos021 wrote:On March 05 2013 17:34 MrRicewife wrote:
By the way, The decision must not be obvious because you're wrong. If you knew what capitalism was about, you would have to agree building a trusting relationship with your customers is just as important as expanding and growing. The two go hand in hand. So yes, sometimes you have to suffer in the interest of the future relationship you create with your customers. In this case, IPL took the ez way out, and now is left with a lot of disappointed customers.
If you care to disagree, Microsoft is an example:
Slowly but surely, they have been ignoring the demands of what people want. They have been failing to listen, and in turn, gave up what was essentially (and legally at one point) a monopoly to Apple. Which is a company that one man worked at who could understand just how important it was to please their customer, or at the very least convince them that they care. LOL. You're nuts. I wouldn't bleed a crapload of money just to keep a bunch of people happy. You're basically saying they should bleed their backers' money even though they know they won't break even. Would you bleed money if you knew a potato farm you invested in was going under regardless? I love some french fries man. You should show me some love. Also, if you think Steve Jobs gave a flying shit what anyone else thought, you have an amazing talent at revising history. Again, with these personal attacks, why can't anyone just debate properly anymore? Anyway... I won't bother explaining why you're wrong, simply because Magic_Mike made it quite clear why you are. I will answer your question though. Your potato example is kind of a poor example of what we are talking about, but I know what you were trying to say. If said potato farm (my farm) promised a lot of regular customers that they were going to hold a potato convention (in hopes to make money from selling potatoes to them, potato merchandise, etc), and because my staff is so incompetent that last minute we realized it would be a flop, YES, I would still run the convention. 100% without even thinking. Why? Because I'm not a stupid idiot who can't vision the future. Who realizes that a dollar is valuable, but customer appreciation and relationship is invaluable a word that most people in this thread seem to be lacking in their vocab. Now, I must correct you about your Steve Jobs comment. It's very clear to me that you didn't read his autobiography, written by a respectable, trusting author, someone who doesn't stretch facts to make the story better, but someone who paints a picture black and white without anything hidden in the wood works; Walter Isaacson. Just that book alone should have shown you that Steve Jobs did in fact, as you immaturely put, "gave a flying shit". I'm not even going to get into his motivations of why he created apple, and why he left, why he came back, why he innovated entire industries etc etc. I just want to make it clear, that that man did care about what everyone else thought. And that is exactly, and in large, why Apple was successful. A true visionary is invaluable, and the rewards are endless, as proven by said company, and many others, as Magic_Mike so kindly pointed out. In other words, read a book before you say something, because that's just silly, and it makes you look ignorant. On March 06 2013 00:51 nimdil wrote:On March 05 2013 17:34 MrRicewife wrote:
By the way, The decision must not be obvious because you're wrong. If you knew what capitalism was about, you would have to agree building a trusting relationship with your customers is just as important as expanding and growing. The two go hand in hand. So yes, sometimes you have to suffer in the interest of the future relationship you create with your customers. In this case, IPL took the ez way out, and now is left with a lot of disappointed customers.
If you care to disagree, Microsoft is an example:
Slowly but surely, they have been ignoring the demands of what people want. They have been failing to listen, and in turn, gave up what was essentially (and legally at one point) a monopoly to Apple. Which is a company that one man worked at who could understand just how important it was to please their customer, or at the very least convince them that they care. Wow, that's complete nonsense plus Apple evangelism in one. On a side note - Microsoft is still king in office environment and in gaming world. And that's where are people really loyal to them. Oh, sorry. I am so glad you took the time to elaborate and explain why it is non-sense. I can see clearly now, and I digress. Thank you for pointing out how nonsensical everything I said was, I feel so foolish now.... :/ On a side note - Microsoft is not king, lol. I'm very happy you decided to provide evidence on your claim though. I'll just post a little something, because oddly enough, it conflicts to your hardcore evidence: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/12/13/microsofts-market-share-drops-from-97-to-20-in-just-over-a-decade/In case you don't feel like taking that long journey by clicking on another link and, gasp, reading... I'll summarize for you: Microsoft, in a decade, has lost market share from 97% to 20% in a decade or so. How you define market share, is really up to you, but how I define it as, is the Lion's share in certain industries. And when you total them all up, OS sales, Phones, Gaming, Tablets, Subscriptions, Music, etc... Microsoft was at the very top with an impressive monopoly, and crashed and burned because they simply just weren't listening to us. They were pumping out shit products, and gave the worst response : you can have any color you want, as long as it's black. Well, that just gives a huge opportunity for a hungry businessman to come in and eat you alive, which is what has happened the last 15 years to Microsoft. Failure after failure, and now look at Microsoft... struggling in comparison to their competition. Almost a riches to rags. This was all because they just couldn't understand that consumers aren't stupid, or if we are, at least we know what we want. So listen to us. And if you don't want to do that, at the very least, trick us into thinking it's what we want, kind of like what Apple has done. Granted the products they produce are still very good, just extremely controlled, which in turn, is costing them a lot of business to Google. A company which really stands alone at listening to what the consumer wants and actually gives them what they want. Let's see here... hmm... yup, google is still rich, and expanding. Kind of the opposite of the king, Microsoft x.x One thing that you said was slightly correct, yes, I'm somewhat of an Apple fanboy as you will. Do I own any apple products? No actually. Have I? Yes, but I sold those products and moved on to a company who treats me right and listens to me. But I do appreciate a good company, Apple, so in turn you will see me evangelize that company, sure. Taken from your forbes link:
What these numbers really reflect is the change in what is being considered a computing device. Which might indeed be a valid way of looking at things: I think we can all see a day coming, and coming soon, when a desktop PC is just not considered an essential piece of equipment at all."
So in other words, Apple is still losing in the corporate and gaming sector, get over it fanboi. BTW, just because you have to "cook the books" to prove your point makes your entire argument flawed and invalid. GG =D. What the hell... That wasn't my point at all. I never said they were the top, or champions or anything. My point was Microsoft is not king, and I said that because their work practices coincide vaguely with what IPL did just recently. Stop derailing this thread, and why call me a fanboi? That's just rude, and I don't own any apple products so how am I supposed to be one anyway?
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"game publishers are holding their own tournaments"
that is such a stupid reason, oh because riot has to pay for every tournament for their horrible game that means no ipl screwing over sc2 and potential other games like dota or cs that could be implemented.
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man that sucks.
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at least now its official
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Those who were planning to go to IPL, go to MLG instead :D
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On March 06 2013 04:11 SamanthaRain wrote:
I can't say I'm not surprised, after the multiple $100k tournaments for random games. Why would you host a $100k tournament for a game that had less than a total of 20k players, hasn't had any viewer numbers in the past history, was in beta, made by a totally unknown company?
Well, I guess that's a good, but expensive, lesson to learn. Pro Tip: Do some research before wasting $100k then ending up only getting a peak of 2k viewers during the grand finals.
You think IPL put up the money for the Shootmania tournament? I'm sorry to pop your bubble, but that money was put up by Ubisoft (publisher) to promote the game, which was the reason IPL picked up the game. They were paid to do so by Ubisoft.
It helps if you know what you're talking about.
Also, Nadeo (developer) isn't exactly a totally unknown company unless you've been living under a rock for quite some time. Trackmania pretty much ruled the world of racing games.
Anyways, sad to see IPL go.
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David Ting acknowledged "no promises" should Newscorp sell IGN.com. He knew IPL was losing buckets of cash and that upper management was providing a show of faith because "the IPL sounds really cool". And the live events were.
The new owners are unwilling to lose a tonne of cash for more than 1 year with only a "hope" they "might" make money sometime in the future.
Whatever IPL morphs into I don't think we'll see any events on the scale and quality of IPL3 and IPL5.
Maybe some online only stuff.
Watching MLG pick the bones clean from the newly dying IPL body shows you that Sundance Digiovanni is indeed attempting to be the VInce Mcmahon of eSports.
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On March 06 2013 04:22 ACrow wrote:It's sad that IPL is the first major tournament to fold. I thought their production value and their casting crew was one of the best non-GSL ones and I really like their shows. At least I think this will fight the oversaturation a little so the other events have the potential for more viewership. Alas, IPL was the one that stumbled first
Stumbled first in the SCII LoL era.
There is numerous large scale tournaments that have eventually feel on their face for various reasons through out the history of competitive gaming.
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The lurkers idea and odin on a new called "Wood" league idea.
Wouldnt that be what custome games are for in the Arcade? To have FUN!?
I understand you all want abit of competitive gaming with old units, but wait for HotS release and wait for it. Someone will end up making match maps with lurkers, odins and whatnot. They you can have fun.
Regarding the fact that one should be able to gain XP when losing, that's what happens in HotS now.
Granted there's no way to trade it. But Blizzard at least made it so you dont feel like you didnt earn anything more than a loss.
The trading thing would be fun, and some people have asked for it, so who knows maybe in the future, but I dont think its a priority since not many people ask for it. Just some.
Again, I'd say the amount of people outraged will be overcome by new players and people who will keep playing and are content with the game.
Balance patches will happen to address broken issues.
Regarding IPL and IGN. Its very sad the path that they are in now, but arguing over it over and over really won't help them and it just causes frustration and fights within the community. It happened, they have their reasons, if theres community backlash it's kind of too late to prevent it, so what has to happen will happen.
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Crappy news it really crappy, but I guess it was expected. I really hope the IPL crew finds a good home. Like almost everyone here I really, really enjoy what these guys have done. They've been one of the best run and most innovative leagues over the last few years.
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Sucks it's canceled, IPL had some great events but they didn't handle this very well, though understandable.
Good luck to them and hopefully people can have a good time that weekend regardless.
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