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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
February 28 2013 21:07 GMT
#281
On March 01 2013 05:56 jmbthirteen wrote:
Remember that time grubby decided to skip code a to go play an IPL show match? Like two weeks ago? And no one gave a shit?

Thats wrong. GOM changed their code a schedules (probably better times for Kespa players, but forgot about Grubby?), Grubby was unable to follow them.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
bmSTINKYTOFU
Profile Joined August 2012
12 Posts
February 28 2013 21:08 GMT
#282
Does does this mean stephano will also not be playing in PL on that day? Aren't the matches and orders also determined by the team?
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 21:10:32
February 28 2013 21:09 GMT
#283
How can EG fuck up big time when GOM is releasing the U&D so late ?

I am a "stephano hater" but the hate here is just out of control and full of nonsense.

They should have this kind of schedules months prior the events taking into consideration other events, if not, there will be forfeits.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 28 2013 21:09 GMT
#284
On March 01 2013 06:00 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 05:55 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:43 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:37 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:31 opterown wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:19 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:15 opterown wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
On March 01 2013 04:35 opterown wrote:
On March 01 2013 04:21 Plansix wrote:
[quote]

That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.

"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"

too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol

you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?

considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to


That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.

has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.


Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?


GOM's fault!
EG's fault!
Airlines' fault!

I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.


In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.


If it's actually EG's fault then I'll happily point the finger at them. Considering Stephano has a history of forfeiture and money-grubbing, I'm inclined to say it's his fault though. From any standpoint beyond wallet stuffing, it was a terrible thing to do. Now his team gets a free loss, his U/D group has less integrity, and he's shit on the Code S seed that was granted to him. Guess what happens next time an international player or team wants to play in the GSL or PL? The managers are going to remember Stephano. He's hurting more people than himself here.


Only on TL could a simple scheduling conflict be taken to this level of drama. There is a section of this community that treats a play forfeiting a GSL match the same way middle school girls each other when they cancel a shopping session.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
February 28 2013 21:10 GMT
#285
Anyone who is surprised by this doesn't know the routine that Stephano has gotten into. Oh and the fact he knows he won't be able to make nearly as much MONEY doing GSL as the umpteen foreign tournaments.
In Inca we trust
a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
February 28 2013 21:10 GMT
#286
On March 01 2013 06:09 Godwrath wrote:
How can EG fuck up big time when GOM is releasing the U&D so late ?

I am a "stephano hater" but the hate here is just out of control and full of nonsense.


You missed the point : Proleague.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 28 2013 21:10 GMT
#287
On March 01 2013 06:07 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 05:56 jmbthirteen wrote:
Remember that time grubby decided to skip code a to go play an IPL show match? Like two weeks ago? And no one gave a shit?

Thats wrong. GOM changed their code a schedules (probably better times for Kespa players, but forgot about Grubby?), Grubby was unable to follow them.


Well they only gave Stephano 5 days notice, its close, but not exactly on point. Still, no one cared that Grubby forfited, because he isn't on EG.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
February 28 2013 21:11 GMT
#288
On March 01 2013 06:10 a3den wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:09 Godwrath wrote:
How can EG fuck up big time when GOM is releasing the U&D so late ?

I am a "stephano hater" but the hate here is just out of control and full of nonsense.


You missed the point : Proleague.


Sorry the title of the thread (and atleast the first 3 pages) must have confused me about this thread being about U&D matches.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 21:13:37
February 28 2013 21:11 GMT
#289
On March 01 2013 06:01 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 05:56 jmbthirteen wrote:
Remember that time grubby decided to skip code a to go play an IPL show match? Like two weeks ago? And no one gave a shit?

grubby isn't known for things like this, and he's a pretty likable person to

Grubby is a mediocre player with a mediocre following. He hasn't achieved anything in SC2 and most likely never will. As a result, no one (hyperbolic!) cares whether he plays or not. Just as no one will care if Yonghwa forfeits either GSL or IEM or about the many, many times where Korean players have simply not shown up to foreign tournaments they've been signed up for or invited to.

Stephano is the most popular player in the world. People care about what he does no matter what it is. The topic on reddit about him forfeiting has more comments than the GSL semi-final. Very few actually care about SC2 content at this point, it seems. But everyone has an opinion on how Stephano should act, regardless of their own ignorance of the situation.

The moment Stephano's name is mentioned, there will be people cheering for him, and there will be people celebrating his downfall. It's the pleasure and pain of being SC2's biggest name.
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
February 28 2013 21:11 GMT
#290
Stephano o _ o why are u pulling a Rain on us? Rain has said he always regretted going to that MLG :'(

:'(
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 28 2013 21:12 GMT
#291
On March 01 2013 06:10 a3den wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:09 Godwrath wrote:
How can EG fuck up big time when GOM is releasing the U&D so late ?

I am a "stephano hater" but the hate here is just out of control and full of nonsense.


You missed the point : Proleague.


Well thats the coach's problem, not Stephanos. Stephano does not set up the team roster for each match.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 21:14:26
February 28 2013 21:12 GMT
#292
On March 01 2013 06:09 Godwrath wrote:
How can EG fuck up big time when GOM is releasing the U&D so late ?

I am a "stephano hater" but the hate here is just out of control and full of nonsense.

They fucked up big time if they submitted him as a player in proleague when he's actually on a plane. That'd be a case of bad communication between evoli and Hwanni.

They didn't fuck up in case of GOM, that's either way unlucky that GOM decided to play Up&Downs in WoL and at this date, but EG either didn't want to spend quite a bit on money on booking a new flight for him or Stephano expressed the wish not to play in GSL anymore.

Stephano actually didn't fuck up like some people here say unless he specifically told EG that he doesn't want to play Up&Downs or that he refuses to fly at a later date and have less time to get rid of jetlag.
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
February 28 2013 21:12 GMT
#293
On March 01 2013 03:10 Vandrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 03:06 nimbim wrote:
What's up with foreigners forfeiting their GSL seeds? D:
I hope Scarlett doesn't pull that when she goes to Korea.

What's up with it?
Well playing GSL as a foreigner is a waste of time.


Not if a foreigner was able to win. The first prize in GSL is very high
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
February 28 2013 21:13 GMT
#294
On March 01 2013 06:11 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:10 a3den wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:09 Godwrath wrote:
How can EG fuck up big time when GOM is releasing the U&D so late ?

I am a "stephano hater" but the hate here is just out of control and full of nonsense.


You missed the point : Proleague.


Sorry the title of the thread (and atleast the first 3 pages) must have confused me about this thread being about U&D matches.


The reason people say EG fucked up is because of Proleague man. They scheduled Stephano to play LATER THAT SAME DAY as his UnD. Hell, notice UnD is scheduled on 11:10 KST which is earlier than usual so Stephano can play Proleague.

That implies that EG fucked up here.
Gameplay > Personality
ineversmile
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States583 Posts
February 28 2013 21:14 GMT
#295
Coward's way out.
Nostradamus.146@AM, Nostradamus.398@KR, Nostradamus.922@EU http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/ins
bmSTINKYTOFU
Profile Joined August 2012
12 Posts
February 28 2013 21:15 GMT
#296
Also, Yonghwa has the same problem. He is playing in IEM as well but the days he is playing is only one day apart compared to Stephano's four. I wonder what Yonghwa is going to do?
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1445 Posts
February 28 2013 21:15 GMT
#297
On March 01 2013 06:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:00 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:55 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:43 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:37 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:31 opterown wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:19 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:15 opterown wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
On March 01 2013 04:35 opterown wrote:
[quote]
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol

you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?

considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to


That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.

has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.


Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?


GOM's fault!
EG's fault!
Airlines' fault!

I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.


In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.


If it's actually EG's fault then I'll happily point the finger at them. Considering Stephano has a history of forfeiture and money-grubbing, I'm inclined to say it's his fault though. From any standpoint beyond wallet stuffing, it was a terrible thing to do. Now his team gets a free loss, his U/D group has less integrity, and he's shit on the Code S seed that was granted to him. Guess what happens next time an international player or team wants to play in the GSL or PL? The managers are going to remember Stephano. He's hurting more people than himself here.


Only on TL could a simple scheduling conflict be taken to this level of drama. There is a section of this community that treats a play forfeiting a GSL match the same way middle school girls each other when they cancel a shopping session.


Great to hear that after having all of your reasons refuted you've fallen back on simple smearing.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
February 28 2013 21:16 GMT
#298
@mock, by that logic, every foreigner except Stephano is a mediocre player with mediocre following.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
February 28 2013 21:17 GMT
#299
whatever i have more fun watching him dominate a lot of foreign tournaments then having to stay up super late (east coast USA) only to be sad before going to bed if he loses lol
JD, need I say more? :D
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1445 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 21:19:19
February 28 2013 21:17 GMT
#300
On March 01 2013 06:10 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:07 Dingodile wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:56 jmbthirteen wrote:
Remember that time grubby decided to skip code a to go play an IPL show match? Like two weeks ago? And no one gave a shit?

Thats wrong. GOM changed their code a schedules (probably better times for Kespa players, but forgot about Grubby?), Grubby was unable to follow them.


Well they only gave Stephano 5 days notice, its close, but not exactly on point. Still, no one cared that Grubby forfited, because he isn't on EG.


Nobody cared about Grubby because (a) he doesn't have a history of forfeiture, (b) he doesn't have legions of deluded fanboys, and (c) he's not screwing over his team in order to get the big bucks.

On March 01 2013 06:12 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:10 a3den wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:09 Godwrath wrote:
How can EG fuck up big time when GOM is releasing the U&D so late ?

I am a "stephano hater" but the hate here is just out of control and full of nonsense.


You missed the point : Proleague.


Well thats the coach's problem, not Stephanos. Stephano does not set up the team roster for each match.


Rather assuming that the coach knew this was going to happen, aren't we? No evidence of that. Stephano has a history of quitting when he doesn't feel like playing, this smells more like his odor than EG's.
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