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lacho_u
Profile Joined April 2009
Bulgaria535 Posts
February 28 2013 21:18 GMT
#301
ok younghwa is in the same group is as stephano in up/down is he going to IEM too ?
Power is nothing without control
DDie
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil2369 Posts
February 28 2013 21:18 GMT
#302
On March 01 2013 06:14 ineversmile wrote:
Coward's way out.


Stephano knows his chances are slim to none in Korea so he's going for the ez bucks.

Can't really blame him when he is just trying to win as much as possible before cashing out.
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Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
February 28 2013 21:20 GMT
#303
I wish skipping out on gsl after getting seeding ended with a lifetime ban to stop shit like this from happening every time a foreigner gets an invite.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 28 2013 21:21 GMT
#304
On March 01 2013 06:14 ineversmile wrote:
Coward's way out.


I just don't get these comments.

I can see it from his perspective. He's said before that his motivation for playing still is the money and the applause of the fans (which he's far more likely to get abroad at IEM). He's said that he doesn't enjoy WoL. Originally, he was only going to do this for a year. Clearly, he's just fine with being a big fish in a small pond. Unfortunate, but nothing wrong with that, it's his life.

Gameplay-wise, he's already shown he can hang with the best so I doubt he's very scared of the Koreans. Hell, I'd go as far to say he's the most reliable player on EG-TL in proleague aside from Taeja.
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ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
February 28 2013 21:22 GMT
#305
Makes no sense for foreigners to play in GSL. They are not good enough (especially not for code S) and generally get embarrassed, and there are many easier tournaments and opportunities to win money elsewhere. I've given up on foreigner play in korea tbh, the golden days of some even play are over, especially with Kespa in the scene now. We're going to be where BW was pretty soon imo
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Extenz
Profile Joined October 2011
Italy822 Posts
February 28 2013 21:22 GMT
#306
It was expected, I wasn't even Stephano would play in Code S if he got the spot again, I mean it's his last year (if he doesn't change his mind again) and of course he wants easy money.
Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
February 28 2013 21:22 GMT
#307
On March 01 2013 06:12 Prog455 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 03:10 Vandrad wrote:
On March 01 2013 03:06 nimbim wrote:
What's up with foreigners forfeiting their GSL seeds? D:
I hope Scarlett doesn't pull that when she goes to Korea.

What's up with it?
Well playing GSL as a foreigner is a waste of time.


Not if a foreigner was able to win. The first prize in GSL is very high


Yes and no, only the first place has actually a way bigger prize compared to iem.


GSL :

1st : 45k$
2nd :18k $
3rd-4th: 4.5k$

IEM :

1st : 30k$
2nd :15k $
3rd-4th: 7.5k$

And GSL is like for two month, block you to attempt to foreigner tournament, while IEM is a ~ 5 day event so realisticly, way more interesting.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 21:23:44
February 28 2013 21:22 GMT
#308
On March 01 2013 06:18 lacho_u wrote:
ok younghwa is in the same group is as stephano in up/down is he going to IEM too ?

We don't know what'll happen as IM/Yonghwa usually aren't posting everything that goes through their mind on twitter like Stephano does. Personally, I expect him to forfeit one of the events but that'd probably announced through GOM and not on Yonghwa's twitter or something.

AND GUYS, there's no need to blame anyone anymore I solved everything about who we should blame, IT'S OK!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17905634
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 28 2013 21:23 GMT
#309
On March 01 2013 06:15 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:09 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:00 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:55 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:43 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:37 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:31 opterown wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:19 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:15 opterown wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
[quote]
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?

considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to


That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.

has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.


Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?


GOM's fault!
EG's fault!
Airlines' fault!

I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.


In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.


If it's actually EG's fault then I'll happily point the finger at them. Considering Stephano has a history of forfeiture and money-grubbing, I'm inclined to say it's his fault though. From any standpoint beyond wallet stuffing, it was a terrible thing to do. Now his team gets a free loss, his U/D group has less integrity, and he's shit on the Code S seed that was granted to him. Guess what happens next time an international player or team wants to play in the GSL or PL? The managers are going to remember Stephano. He's hurting more people than himself here.


Only on TL could a simple scheduling conflict be taken to this level of drama. There is a section of this community that treats a play forfeiting a GSL match the same way middle school girls each other when they cancel a shopping session.


Great to hear that after having all of your reasons refuted you've fallen back on simple smearing.


It is a pretty stupid issue. Do you really think GOM is so irrational to bar Stephano from playing or hate all other non-korean players cause of this? That he had another event and he didn’t cancel when they gave him less than 5 days notice of his match. Do you really think that this tiny little thing is going to create a massive rift between GOM and the western teams? Is that what is going to happen because of this? Because it has happened before and there were no issues.

The community loves drama. And when there is no drama, they will make their own, regardless of logic, history or rational thinking.
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zumpy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States122 Posts
February 28 2013 21:24 GMT
#310
I don't know why most people are blaming Stephano on this one. He was already scheduled to play in IEM and it looks like he would prefer to play at IEM instead of U&D. GOM was the one that just released their schedule a week before the matches start.

Does anyone know if Stephano is staying in Code A?
well won
elKaDor
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden376 Posts
February 28 2013 21:24 GMT
#311
They should really add some punishment at GSL, there are way to many times foreigners got an spot which many koreans fight for ,and then just drops out due to different reasons.

Add some punishment so that they just dont accept a spot without thinking it through
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3500 Posts
February 28 2013 21:25 GMT
#312
On March 01 2013 06:23 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:15 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:09 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:00 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:55 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:43 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:37 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:31 opterown wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:19 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:15 opterown wrote:
[quote]
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to


That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.

has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.


Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?


GOM's fault!
EG's fault!
Airlines' fault!

I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.


In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.


If it's actually EG's fault then I'll happily point the finger at them. Considering Stephano has a history of forfeiture and money-grubbing, I'm inclined to say it's his fault though. From any standpoint beyond wallet stuffing, it was a terrible thing to do. Now his team gets a free loss, his U/D group has less integrity, and he's shit on the Code S seed that was granted to him. Guess what happens next time an international player or team wants to play in the GSL or PL? The managers are going to remember Stephano. He's hurting more people than himself here.


Only on TL could a simple scheduling conflict be taken to this level of drama. There is a section of this community that treats a play forfeiting a GSL match the same way middle school girls each other when they cancel a shopping session.


Great to hear that after having all of your reasons refuted you've fallen back on simple smearing.


It is a pretty stupid issue. Do you really think GOM is so irrational to bar Stephano from playing or hate all other non-korean players cause of this? That he had another event and he didn’t cancel when they gave him less than 5 days notice of his match. Do you really think that this tiny little thing is going to create a massive rift between GOM and the western teams? Is that what is going to happen because of this? Because it has happened before and there were no issues.

The community loves drama. And when there is no drama, they will make their own, regardless of logic, history or rational thinking.


It was only announced within five days of the match, but the coaches know about them beforehand. But let's ignore "logic, history or rational thinking" to defend the player that has several times in the past forfeited because he felt like it.
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lrofd
Profile Joined April 2011
United States187 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 21:29:13
February 28 2013 21:25 GMT
#313
On March 01 2013 06:20 Glurkenspurk wrote:
I wish skipping out on gsl after getting seeding ended with a lifetime ban to stop shit like this from happening every time a foreigner gets an invite.


itd be sad for Rain wouldnt it be? i mean he just fought Flash for a spot in code S, do we cancel everything hes done and ban him?
Oh wait, from what you said...the ban is only if they are foreigners right? think, think hard, then talk.
bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
February 28 2013 21:28 GMT
#314
How is this "less than five days notice" as many people are saying? Even if the exact schedules weren't released until yesterday, people have known when the Up/Down matches will be for a while (they're always at the same time, right after Code A...) and GOM gave him the most advantageous spot, the first group, three whole days before his IEM groups begin. So Stephano and EG have known, or should have known, about this for a while, and they probably could have booked an later flight and done both if they wanted to.
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Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
February 28 2013 21:28 GMT
#315
Wow, what a surprise.

Zealots, not zee-lots. | Never forget, KTViolet, Go)Space. | You will never be as good as By.Flash, and your drops will never be as sick as MMA.
Nerfed
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation1132 Posts
February 28 2013 21:29 GMT
#316
Stephano lost any respect lol
lrofd
Profile Joined April 2011
United States187 Posts
February 28 2013 21:31 GMT
#317
On March 01 2013 06:29 Nerfed wrote:
Stephano lost any respect lol


ill bet he doesnt care about your respect if you dont want him to be ready and play in a big tournament for a lot of money
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3401 Posts
February 28 2013 21:31 GMT
#318
Aww.
And GOM made the perfect 5-man / 3-protoss / 0-zergs group just for him.
But since I'll get to see more of his games at IEM then I would at GSL I'm fine with it.
KissMeRed
Profile Joined June 2012
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 21:33:22
February 28 2013 21:32 GMT
#319
This is a new low for players forfeiting GSL spots.

Basically, the highest profile foreign player is trading a whole lot of respect to likely bomb out of IEM (full of top players) and collect ~ $1400. Really?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 28 2013 21:34 GMT
#320
On March 01 2013 06:25 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:23 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:15 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:09 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:00 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:55 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:43 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:37 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:31 opterown wrote:
On March 01 2013 05:19 Plansix wrote:
[quote]

That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.

has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.


Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?


GOM's fault!
EG's fault!
Airlines' fault!

I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.


In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.


If it's actually EG's fault then I'll happily point the finger at them. Considering Stephano has a history of forfeiture and money-grubbing, I'm inclined to say it's his fault though. From any standpoint beyond wallet stuffing, it was a terrible thing to do. Now his team gets a free loss, his U/D group has less integrity, and he's shit on the Code S seed that was granted to him. Guess what happens next time an international player or team wants to play in the GSL or PL? The managers are going to remember Stephano. He's hurting more people than himself here.


Only on TL could a simple scheduling conflict be taken to this level of drama. There is a section of this community that treats a play forfeiting a GSL match the same way middle school girls each other when they cancel a shopping session.


Great to hear that after having all of your reasons refuted you've fallen back on simple smearing.


It is a pretty stupid issue. Do you really think GOM is so irrational to bar Stephano from playing or hate all other non-korean players cause of this? That he had another event and he didn’t cancel when they gave him less than 5 days notice of his match. Do you really think that this tiny little thing is going to create a massive rift between GOM and the western teams? Is that what is going to happen because of this? Because it has happened before and there were no issues.

The community loves drama. And when there is no drama, they will make their own, regardless of logic, history or rational thinking.


It was only announced within five days of the match, but the coaches know about them beforehand. But let's ignore "logic, history or rational thinking" to defend the player that has several times in the past forfeited because he felt like it.


First off, there is no reason to believe that anyone knew the dates of the U&D matches any time before this. Also, its pretty clear you don’t like Stephano, which is fine. But don’t act like he did something morally incorrect by forfeiting a qualifying match to play an a World Championship he qualified for a long time ago and was announced months ago. He is a member of a team and played for him to go to that event and that event will provide more exposure for their sponsors. Money or not, the U&D matches are just less important than IEM.
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