On March 01 2013 19:43 evoli wrote: Ilyes will be participating in the SPL match on Monday. He remarked mistakenly about his schedule on Twitter. More updates will be available tomorrow.
he just tweeted, that he cant play his match, cause he will of a scheduling conflict with IEM.
source:
I'm sad, he had great chances to advance in this group
Probably for the best, I have a feeling Stephano would have just disappointed more people again. I personally feel he would have been knocked back into Code A; it's better for him and his "f*ck the haters" image in Korea to walk away then give the Koreans the satisfaction of knowing he's forgotten how to compete at the same caliber as their champions
Makes sense from a financial standpoint. No point playing in the world's toughest league just for a chance to compete in it, whereas he has a much better chance to actually win money by competing in IEM.
Sucks for the viewers though :/, and IMO, is also a reflection of his lack of confidence in his abilities.
figured as much, he did say before his last GSL match that if he didn't win he'd go stop playing in the GSL and start making money again in foreign tournaments... or something along those lines
I'd say don't expect him to stick around in the Korean team house too much longer either if hes not gunning for GSL.. I don't think he really cares about proleague either. In fact, I don't tihnk any of the team really cares about proleague..
I know they do their very best to accommodate every player but its sad to see it happen with foreigners (Grubby also had trouble with scheduling didn't he?)
On March 01 2013 03:07 Sjokola wrote: I know they do their very best to accommodate every player but its sad to see it happen with foreigners (Grubby also had trouble with scheduling didn't he?)
Yes after GOM, with little warning, changed his Code A play date by a month.
On March 01 2013 02:56 SoOJuuu wrote: foreigners get spots and give them up. I bet this really frustrates korean gamers that are trying to make it.
Very disappointing in stephano.
Still want the feature on TL to remove all posts with the words "disappointing", "disappointed" and "disgusted" from my review.
I don't know why people are grumpy about this. Why would anyone skip out on a full event to play in a qualifying match? GSL is nice, but not worth giving up a whole other event just for the option to qualify.
On March 01 2013 03:08 Opera wrote: At least he will be in Code A. He has no reason to pass on easy IEM money for playing in GSL Up&Downs which will get him nothing.
Premier tourneys have to meet to decide on scheduling otherwise there will be more situations like that.
Is IEM easy money for Stephano? I guess its easier than GSL. But, I think for Stephano playing the lottery is easier money than the GSL.
On March 01 2013 03:06 nimbim wrote: What's up with foreigners forfeiting their GSL seeds? D: I hope Scarlett doesn't pull that when she goes to Korea.
What's up with it? Well playing GSL as a foreigner is a waste of time.
This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
He won't attend GSL again anyhow. He attended because everyone wanted to see him there and EG wanted to accommodate that, but his performance was disappointing and besides the novelty factor of Stephano playing GSL it's just not worth it financially for players outside of Korea.
Smart on his part i suppose. He has no chance of going far in GSL unless he changes his work ethic and mixes up his playstyle. Mass games suits him better
I really dont think he will do very good in IEM and GSL, maybe quarterfinals in IEM if he is lucky with the brackets.. he has been playing quite sloppy the last months..
He is bad. I used to really like him as a player but I think he jut isn't that good anymore. I get the feeling he plays less now than he did when he was on Mill. Seems like he isn't having fun anymore.
It's sad, foreigner after foreigner, playing on a free GSL seed, drops out as soon as they see that things aren't easy. These invites are a waste, if they had to qualify like everyone else they wouldn't play if they weren't serious. Other than Jinro and HuK, nobody has really tried to set a foot in the GSL.
On March 01 2013 02:57 Piledriver wrote: Makes sense from a financial standpoint. No point playing in the world's toughest league just for a chance to compete in it, whereas he has a much better chance to actually win money by competing in IEM.
Sucks for the viewers though :/, and IMO, is also a reflection of his lack of confidence in his abilities.
Stephano is terrible in HotS. Its not like he has any chance to place Top5 in IEM.
This is why I don't like the GSL sometimes, so unprofessional. If it were Kespa there wouldn't be players dropping in and out as they want like this, In fact, they would never give out a bailout seed to attract viewers.
Another foreign seed wasted.. Please Gom no more seeds -.- Foreigners have just proven time and time again they don't deserve them.
Also I hope Stephano gets crushed at IEM. gives up an up/down spot after GOM gave him a seed to Code S... Never liked Stephanos attitude and it seems I never will.
Stephano maybe realized that GSL simply did not fit his style well, and spending more time in Korea would be a waste of time and potential money he could be earning by playing in foreign tournaments. I expected this a bit honestly, because he didn't seem so motivated in Korea.
How is that "disappointing" or "nice" from him? He had to make a choice : IEM or Code S qualifying. When Rain forfeited his code S spot for MLG, did you wish GOM would ban him too? He thought IEM was more important to him, don't judge him on this choice.. Also, he had a seed for Season 1, he used it nicely I think. it's not like he forfeited his spot for season 1, it will be season 2 already
Not to be a hater but, it really seems like he only went to korea as a service to his team/fans. He has said many time he is not interested in playing in the GSL. He is not even interested in being in korea, he just want to make money. Which is not a bad thing but it just doesn't feel like he put his all into korea/GSL or ever will.
On March 01 2013 03:25 jcroisdale wrote: Not to be a hater but, it really seems like he only went to korea as a service to his team/fans. He has said many time he is not interested in playing in the GSL. He is not even interested in being in korea, he just want to make money. Which is not a bad thing but it just doesn't feel like he put his all into korea/GSL or ever will.
I think he's starting to regret leaving Mill overall. He's getting like 2k more per month as EG ( Mill proposed 6k, EG is giving 8k ), but so much more constraints.
Not too surprising. The only reason he's playing in GSL and proleague is because foreign tourneys were basically on break till march. I always figured he would only play in one GSL this year and with foreign tourneys back in full swing, I suspect he will be leaving korea in march and will be forfeiting his code A spot.
And this is why I have a big problem with foreigner seeds.
With Code A and Code B already as stacked as it is, it's simply unfair that some players get free walkovers because of Foreigner players that either forfeit matches willingly or just don't take the tournament as seriously as the Korean players do due to wider range of opportunities.
I saw it coming and I expected it, but that doesn't take the bad taste out of my mouth. If foreigners want to accept their seeds they should be obligated to finish out their GSL runs without forfeiting if they want to accept their seed, I'm sure there's plenty of other players out there that would love that opportunity.
I can understand Stephano's decision pretty well. But it is a shame that foreigner are not able to stabilize themseles in GSL at the moment, I mean Grubby and now Stephano. Huk is luckily still there, but I'd like to see more foreigners trying with a long-term plan, as if to compete over some three or so seasons. I feel like few unfortunate brackets/groups and then some losses delivered by those who have more experience in GSL style play are having too much impact when foreigners don't use the possibility to try to actually make a "GSL career".
Lol at people Who blame stephano without know anything about his life... And lol at people Who blame foreigners To be bad, You should shame yourself, You are disgusting
seriously fuck Stephano and Grubby, GSL gave them a huge opportunity and they just dont care ... not surprised about Stephano as he cares only about money, but Grubby disappointed me big time ... GSL should learn a lesson ...
Aaaand foreigners prove why Korea will always be #1 in StarCraft, 1 or 2. More dedication, more skill, less greed. Fans of foreigners, time to fess up.
On March 01 2013 03:29 -IeZaeL- wrote: lol... people flaming Stephano for this....hahahaha nice ignorants .
IEM : More money + 3 days GSL: Less money + harder + a couple of months
Pick one
People want players to go after the glory, not the money. But perhaps they don't actually when I think about it, since everyone hate Naniwa and everyone love Stephano.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
On March 01 2013 03:29 -IeZaeL- wrote: lol... people flaming Stephano for this....hahahaha nice ignorants .
IEM : More money + 3 days GSL: Less money + harder + a couple of months
Pick one
i'm not hating on stephano, but he wouldn't be making shit if it weren't for fans. to go out of his way occasionally and try at something he may have been uninterested in before for them might not be such a bad thing. I understand his decision, but don't think he's so entitled.
On March 01 2013 03:28 amiGo_O wrote: seriously fuck Stephano and Grubby, GSL gave them a huge opportunity and they just dont care ... not surprised about Stephano as he cares only about money, but Grubby disappointed me big time ... GSL should learn a lesson ...
GOM fucking changed Grubby's Code A date by a month with almost no notice. How the fuck can people blame him when they should be blaming GOM and their shitty planning.
On March 01 2013 03:29 -IeZaeL- wrote: lol... people flaming Stephano for this....hahahaha nice ignorants .
IEM : More money + 3 days GSL: Less money + harder + a couple of months
Pick one
People want players to go after the glory, not the money. But perhaps they don't actually when I think about it, since everyone hate Naniwa and everyone love Stephano.
understandable sentiment but unfortunate example. nani has a shit attitude and it seems almost goes out of his way to be a dickhead. having said that, I actually like naniwa, but he definitely isn't as personable as stephano.
On March 01 2013 03:29 -IeZaeL- wrote: lol... people flaming Stephano for this....hahahaha nice ignorants .
IEM : More money + 3 days GSL: Less money + harder + a couple of months
Pick one
So why are you mad at people blaming Stephano? I'm mad and I know full well he chose money over GSL. Don't imply that everybody who's frustrated with Spephano and his GSL affair is ignorant.
There is no reason for this to happen, Stephano should either tell GOM before hand so that they can plan around it, or just not bother at all if he keeps chosing other tournaments over GSL.
On March 01 2013 03:28 amiGo_O wrote: seriously fuck Stephano and Grubby, GSL gave them a huge opportunity and they just dont care ... not surprised about Stephano as he cares only about money, but Grubby disappointed me big time ... GSL should learn a lesson ...
GOM fucking changed Grubby's Code A date by a month with almost no notice. How the fuck can people blame him when they should be blaming GOM and their shitty planning.
Don't argue with these people, they want to complain and claim that no one tries harder that Korean players. Now, Korean's that set the date for U&D matches, they don't really try that hard at all, but that's ok.
On March 01 2013 03:29 -IeZaeL- wrote: lol... people flaming Stephano for this....hahahaha nice ignorants .
IEM : More money + 3 days GSL: Less money + harder + a couple of months
Pick one
GSL gave him a seed right into the most prestigious tournament in Starcraft a Free Seed, the least he could do is play out his time till he bombs to Code B where he belongs anyway -.-
Yea IEM will most likely get him more money(Gonna laugh my ass off he bombs out of IEM!) but when EG is paying your salary maybe just once think of some one else and maybe repay GOM for giving you the seed and play the up/downs? Maybe let your fans who have been dying to see you in the hardest tournament around see what you can do?
Granted I'm biased, I will not hide the fact that I'm a Stephano anti fan. Still seems like a shitty move imo.
FFS grubby wanted to go but since the GSL qualifiers date was changed he couldn't go since he already booked his flight on that date, dont blame him! About Stephano, he tried his best but he has a much better chance to win IEM and more $$$ in a shorter period of time!
On March 01 2013 03:28 amiGo_O wrote: seriously fuck Stephano and Grubby, GSL gave them a huge opportunity and they just dont care ... not surprised about Stephano as he cares only about money, but Grubby disappointed me big time ... GSL should learn a lesson ...
Grubby wanted to play code a, Gom noticed that, than they gave him a up&down seed, he accepted it. In that way, nobody can/should blame him. Grubby wanted to play his code a game after he lost his up&downs group. "Unfortunaly" GOM changed their code a schedules, Grubby cant play with the new schedules, even in that way nobody cant blame him. Grubby is innocent in both situations. About Stephano: As expected he forfeit his code a game after he "only" went 3rd place at his code s group.
this is so funny to read. guys GSL is not the be all end all for everyone. yes it is the most estabellished and hardest but its not the center of every sc2 pro's life. if stephano wants to do something else atleast hes upfront about it and let you know before hand. hes in it for money it makes sense anyone who didnt see this coming is either a delusional fan boy or just didnt know stephano.
*Something happens* "Okay, what does that mean for Prime players ?" -Opterown
:D
OT : Not surprised, though this is a huge disrespect... I mean, come on, you get a special treatement by GOM, and then forfeit it... ? Don't accept the seed if you're just going to embarass yourself with it... It's a gift in the first place... And though I'm not a specialist of Korea's culture, I feel they'll take it far more seriously than we do...
Stephano never really showed interest in the GSL. How is this a shock to anyone. Played as a fan service, lost, left. This is exactly what everyone should have known would happen.
That being said, the way to fix this is for Major tournaments to start respecting dates and player obligations so no conflicts happen. Yes this would be hard and time consuming to do but it is necessary. Necessary so that major tournamens all get the best players available to them, that also want to be there.
And GOM doesn't need to stop giving a free foreigner seed. It's a nice reminder to Koreans that they still dominate. Also it's a nice fan-service to foreigners allowing their 'heros' to play in the GSL.
On March 01 2013 03:29 -IeZaeL- wrote: lol... people flaming Stephano for this....hahahaha nice ignorants .
IEM : More money + 3 days GSL: Less money + harder + a couple of months
Pick one
So why are you mad at people blaming Stephano? I'm mad and I know full well he chose money over GSL. Don't imply that everybody who's frustrated with Spephano and his GSL affair is ignorant.
There is no reason for this to happen, Stephano should either tell GOM before hand so that they can plan around it, or just not bother at all if he keeps chosing other tournaments over GSL.
Are you dumb? The dates of IEM have been known for months and Stephano has been qualifed as long. Its the IEM Season VII - World FUCKING Championship. GSL is beyond stupid setting their U&D matchs for the same week and expecting people not to forfit. Or they just didn't care, which seems to be how they have operated in the past.
People need to stop acting like no one could have known that Stephano was going to IEM on March 5. It is posted on the TL upcomming events in big bold letters.
On March 01 2013 02:56 SoOJuuu wrote: foreigners get spots and give them up. I bet this really frustrates korean gamers that are trying to make it.
Very disappointing in stephano.
Playing at IEM is way more interesting for Stephano than GSL.
But not for us fans. It is a much bigger accomplishment to get into Code S than place high at IEM where he won´t even necessarily meet the best koreans.
On March 01 2013 03:29 -IeZaeL- wrote: lol... people flaming Stephano for this....hahahaha nice ignorants .
IEM : More money + 3 days GSL: Less money + harder + a couple of months
Pick one
So why are you mad at people blaming Stephano? I'm mad and I know full well he chose money over GSL. Don't imply that everybody who's frustrated with Spephano and his GSL affair is ignorant.
There is no reason for this to happen, Stephano should either tell GOM before hand so that they can plan around it, or just not bother at all if he keeps chosing other tournaments over GSL.
Are you dumb? The dates of IEM have been known for months and Stephano has been qualifed as long. Its the IEM Season VII - World FUCKING Championship. GSL is beyond stupid setting their U&D matchs for the same week and expecting people not to forfit. Or they just didn't care, which seems to be how they have operated in the past.
People need to stop acting like no one could have known that Stephano was going to IEM on March 5. It is posted on the TL upcomming events in big bold letters.
GOM rescheduled matches and groups a vast majority of the times a scheduling conflict occured. Sometimes it's just not possible and I think this is one of these times. But saying they don't care is just wrong.
On March 01 2013 02:56 SoOJuuu wrote: foreigners get spots and give them up. I bet this really frustrates korean gamers that are trying to make it.
Very disappointing in stephano.
Playing at IEM is way more interesting for Stephano than GSL.
But not for us fans. It is a much bigger accomplishment to get into Code S than place high at IEM where he won´t even necessarily meet the best koreans.
Lets see which is more important:
World championship with a prize pool of $100,000.00 that was announced months ago.
Qualifying match for the GSL. Prize pool: Might get taken to lunch by one of the casters because its fun.
On March 01 2013 03:41 CornMuscles wrote: Stephano never really showed interest in the GSL. How is this a shock to anyone. Played as a fan service, lost, left. This is exactly what everyone should have known would happen.
How is it fan service if he didn't show any effort.
See this is very disgusting in esports (even in sports) where the player has a mindset to follow the money rather than being on top with glory etc. If all foreigners will be like this, I'm sure they'll forever be roflstoped by koreans.
Stephano should stay out of the GSL or even PL if he's just treating these tournaments as a joke. And I'm saying this because it's very disrespectful to GOM to give him a free seat in CODE S, get owned then leave.
On March 01 2013 02:56 SoOJuuu wrote: foreigners get spots and give them up. I bet this really frustrates korean gamers that are trying to make it.
Very disappointing in stephano.
Playing at IEM is way more interesting for Stephano than GSL.
But not for us fans. It is a much bigger accomplishment to get into Code S than place high at IEM where he won´t even necessarily meet the best koreans.
Lets see which is more important:
World championship with a prize pool of $100,000.00 that was announced months ago.
Qualifying match for the GSL. Prize pool: Might get taken to lunch by one of the casters because its fun.
I am not sure which one I would pick...
You realize that in GSL you always get money for a season? It's not as much as IEM, but it's more than just a meal lol
On March 01 2013 03:41 CornMuscles wrote: Stephano never really showed interest in the GSL. How is this a shock to anyone. Played as a fan service, lost, left. This is exactly what everyone should have known would happen.
How is it fan service if he didn't show any effort.
See this is very disgusting in esports (even in sports) where the player has a mindset to follow the money rather than being on top with glory etc. If all foreigners will be like this, I'm sure they'll forever be roflstoped by koreans.
Stephano should stay out of the GSL or even PL if he's just treating these tournaments as a joke. And I'm saying this because it's very disrespectful to GOM to give him a free seat in CODE S, get owned then leave.
GOM is extremely disrespectful to teams and players with their abysmal scheduling. They love to release their schedule with just a few days notice.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
Not surprising one bit, GOM please get them to sign that if they accept a seed they HAVE to stay in the league and can't forfeit for other events for at least 6months or something.
On March 01 2013 03:41 CornMuscles wrote: Stephano never really showed interest in the GSL. How is this a shock to anyone. Played as a fan service, lost, left. This is exactly what everyone should have known would happen.
How is it fan service if he didn't show any effort.
See this is very disgusting in esports (even in sports) where the player has a mindset to follow the money rather than being on top with glory etc. If all foreigners will be like this, I'm sure they'll forever be roflstoped by koreans.
Stephano should stay out of the GSL or even PL if he's just treating these tournaments as a joke. And I'm saying this because it's very disrespectful to GOM to give him a free seat in CODE S, get owned then leave.
Yeah, because know that everyone in professional sports is in it for the "glory" and doesn't care about money. The same with Koreans. They don't play for the money, ever. Not even in BW. Its not like Nada ever had an appearance fee to even play at an event or all the Korean teams were not run by sponsors. No, they all played for the Glory, just like all the players in GSL right now.
On March 01 2013 03:50 vividred wrote: See this is very disgusting in esports (even in sports) where the player has a mindset to follow the money rather than being on top with glory etc.
99% of all football-player in europe are so as you describe. Pretty sure, in esports the same, maybe except korean sc2. But the tendency that the koreans do the same is there... look parting, squirtle, etc..
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Takes the easier foreigner tournament instead of trying to prove the doubters wrong by performing well in the Up/Downs. Can't help but wonder if he even thinks he could advance so would rather try winning an easier tournament instead.
This might have been asked before, but is there any chance they will change the groups? Otherwise there is a group with 4 people and some with 6... They could just randomly pick a player from the 6player groups one would think.
I hope he will stay away from Korea from now on. From a spectator point of view I prefer to see Stephano doing well on the EU/NA scenes than meh in Korea. Korea was not a total failure though since he did pretty well in proleague in my opinion.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Rain didn't choose to go to MLG, KeSPA forced him. In the situation with it was unfortunate but it is understandable that he couldn't change his flight. And you are vastly exaggerating in your posts, it's really annoying.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
On March 01 2013 02:56 SoOJuuu wrote: foreigners get spots and give them up. I bet this really frustrates korean gamers that are trying to make it.
Very disappointing in stephano.
Playing at IEM is way more interesting for Stephano than GSL.
But not for us fans. It is a much bigger accomplishment to get into Code S than place high at IEM where he won´t even necessarily meet the best koreans.
Lets see which is more important:
World championship with a prize pool of $100,000.00 that was announced months ago.
Qualifying match for the GSL. Prize pool: Might get taken to lunch by one of the casters because its fun.
I am not sure which one I would pick...
You realize that in GSL you always get money for a season? It's not as much as IEM, but it's more than just a meal lol
Oh I didnt know that, how much is that? In the hundreds of dollars or maybe thousands of dollars? I always thought top 32 get paid some
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
So in your little world GOM has no responsibility when they straight out of the blue changes Grubby's play date by a month? Disregarding any plans and money Grubby has already invested in tournaments and plane tickets? I almost starting to look forward to KESPA taking everything over in HotS.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
So in your little world GOM has no responsibility when they straight out of the blue changes Grubby's play date by a month? Disregarding any plans and money Grubby has already invested in tournaments and plane tickets? I almost starting to look forward to KESPA taking everything over in HotS.
Dude... it's called sarcasm... :O
Unless you were trying to quote zerox I guess, but then why not just quote him? XD
On March 01 2013 04:03 YuiHirasawa wrote: I hope he will stay away from Korea from now on. From a spectator point of view I prefer to see Stephano doing well on the EU/NA scenes than meh in Korea. Korea was not a total failure though since he did pretty well in proleague in my opinion.
I think he is the only foreigner with winning record, 6-4 is pretty good,
It's about choosing what's most important to him. I'm ok with it as long as he doesn't get an invite back. He will have to earn his way back in. That's life and that's fair.
On March 01 2013 03:58 opterown wrote: haha the GOM-bashing is ridiculous
I know it makes no sense. This is Stephano's choice. He would rather play a tourney where he is more likely to win and where he gains more exposure to the foreign market, one he represents. Lets also not forget this is the IEM finals for this season isn't it? Culminating from circuit points gained over the course of the year, vs the chance to be in Code S for another season and probably not win it later.
On March 01 2013 04:08 BisuDagger wrote: It's about choosing what's most important to him. I'm ok with it as long as he doesn't get an invite back. He will have to earn his way back in. That's life and that's fair.
He still has a Code A spot, up to him to use it or not.
On March 01 2013 02:56 SoOJuuu wrote: foreigners get spots and give them up. I bet this really frustrates korean gamers that are trying to make it.
Very disappointing in stephano.
Playing at IEM is way more interesting for Stephano than GSL.
But not for us fans. It is a much bigger accomplishment to get into Code S than place high at IEM where he won´t even necessarily meet the best koreans.
Lets see which is more important:
World championship with a prize pool of $100,000.00 that was announced months ago.
Qualifying match for the GSL. Prize pool: Might get taken to lunch by one of the casters because its fun.
I am not sure which one I would pick...
You realize that in GSL you always get money for a season? It's not as much as IEM, but it's more than just a meal lol
Oh I didnt know that, how much is that? In the hundreds of dollars or maybe thousands of dollars? I always thought top 32 get paid some
Just by being in Code S you get about $1400. Coincidentally, by placing last in your group at the upcoming IEM you would also get about $1400. It wasn't really about the money, EG would want him in Germany simply for exposure.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
So in your little world GOM has no responsibility when they straight out of the blue changes Grubby's play date by a month? Disregarding any plans and money Grubby has already invested in tournaments and plane tickets? I almost starting to look forward to KESPA taking everything over in HotS.
Dude... it's called sarcasm... :O
Unless you were trying to quote zerox I guess, but then why not just quote him? XD
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Rain didn't choose to go to MLG, KeSPA forced him. In the situation with it was unfortunate but it is understandable that he couldn't change his flight. And you are vastly exaggerating in your posts, it's really annoying.
Its called sarcasm and I am mocking people who are climbing up to their ivory tower and calling down, claiming that Stephano disrespected GSL by planning to go and play in the the World Championship he qualified for months ago. I mean, if he canceled on IEM, that would be ok for some reason, but not on GSL.
It's not like the two tournaments are at the same time... Stephano's U/D group is early Monday (the first one... and people complain about GOM?) and his IEM group isn't until Thursday. He could get on a plane Monday night in Korea and still have at least a whole day in Germany before his IEM games begin... Not too much sympathy from me, sorry, and the fact that this keeps happening should be embarrassing to the foreign community. Whether you like Huk or not, at least he stuck it out...
On March 01 2013 04:13 bduddy wrote: It's not like the two tournaments are at the same time... Stephano's U/D group is early Monday (the first one... and people complain about GOM?) and his IEM group isn't until Thursday. He could get on a plane Monday night in Korea and still have at least a whole day in Germany before his IEM games begin... Not too much sympathy from me, sorry, and the fact that this keeps happening should be embarrassing to the foreign community. Whether you like Huk or not, at least he stuck it out...
this is the main reason i'm slightly annoyed at stephano; if it did clash, then cool, but not like this i guess
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
So in your little world GOM has no responsibility when they straight out of the blue changes Grubby's play date by a month? Disregarding any plans and money Grubby has already invested in tournaments and plane tickets? I almost starting to look forward to KESPA taking everything over in HotS.
Dude... it's called sarcasm... :O
Unless you were trying to quote zerox I guess, but then why not just quote him? XD
In this thread it is hard to tell.
Well if you see my name and I am freaking out about something, its sarcasm. Unlike a lot of people freaking out about a forfited qualifying match, I am a mature adult who understands that when you qualify for a World Championship, you go to the World Championship.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
Yeah too bad nobody else has ever forfeited their GSL matches. Oh wait, there have been other players that decided to forfeit! Let's see here. We have both Rains (SKT1/Fnatic) who decided to ditch out on GSL. Thorzain dropped out of his up and downs back in August. ForGG and Ganzi both dropped their code A matches back in July. Sheth dropped out of the GSL wildcard tourney back when he was in korea while on FXO. Also Boxer gave up on his code A match because of physical problems, but hey who cares about those, he just disrespected his peers by dropping out! And you stated later in a post how HuK and Naniwa never forfeited their matches, good thing Naniwa just decided to probe rush Nestea at Blizzard Cup in 2011. That's so much better than forfeiting a match, right?
This is what happens when you have tournaments running all the time all over the world. Stephano isn't going to make a hard commitment to Korea because thats not where the money is. And I don't blame him or any player for doing what he is doing. Its not just the Up and Downs. Then he has Code S/A matches. It hamstrings you're travel greatly.
On March 01 2013 04:13 bduddy wrote: It's not like the two tournaments are at the same time... Stephano's U/D group is early Monday (the first one... and people complain about GOM?) and his IEM group isn't until Thursday. He could get on a plane Monday night in Korea and still have at least a whole day in Germany before his IEM games begin... Not too much sympathy from me, sorry, and the fact that this keeps happening should be embarrassing to the foreign community. Whether you like Huk or not, at least he stuck it out...
Are you insane? Do you know how many timezones that is? He would be so messed up on jetlag, he might as well play drunk. The standard for jetlag is a full day to adjust per timezone you cross. Huk tried the fly everywhere and do every event two years ago, it was terrible and is the reason players don't do it.
On March 01 2013 04:13 bduddy wrote: It's not like the two tournaments are at the same time... Stephano's U/D group is early Monday (the first one... and people complain about GOM?) and his IEM group isn't until Thursday. He could get on a plane Monday night in Korea and still have at least a whole day in Germany before his IEM games begin... Not too much sympathy from me, sorry, and the fact that this keeps happening should be embarrassing to the foreign community. Whether you like Huk or not, at least he stuck it out...
this is the main reason i'm slightly annoyed at stephano; if it did clash, then cool, but not like this i guess
You do understand that most people don't book plane tickets and hotel just a week in advance, right?
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
On March 01 2013 04:20 Dvriel wrote: Really?? Come on...what a shame.Why Stephano,why?? I suppose he got scared..What is more important? GSL or IEM.. wtf.. come on, you gotta be kiding me
On March 01 2013 03:00 nmetasch wrote: I'd say don't expect him to stick around in the Korean team house too much longer either if hes not gunning for GSL.. I don't think he really cares about proleague either. In fact, I don't tihnk any of the team really cares about proleague..
I think JD cares about PL. He looked pretty mad after one of his recent losses. I also think HerO cares.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
On March 01 2013 04:13 bduddy wrote: It's not like the two tournaments are at the same time... Stephano's U/D group is early Monday (the first one... and people complain about GOM?) and his IEM group isn't until Thursday. He could get on a plane Monday night in Korea and still have at least a whole day in Germany before his IEM games begin... Not too much sympathy from me, sorry, and the fact that this keeps happening should be embarrassing to the foreign community. Whether you like Huk or not, at least he stuck it out...
this is the main reason i'm slightly annoyed at stephano; if it did clash, then cool, but not like this i guess
really? because Stephano wants more than a day to adjust to being in a completely different timezone? Dude wants to win IEM and has a legit shot at it.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
Well what do you want? Playing up and downs before ro24? The GOM bashing here is silly tbh. What other tournament actually changes their schedule for players?
On March 01 2013 04:13 bduddy wrote: It's not like the two tournaments are at the same time... Stephano's U/D group is early Monday (the first one... and people complain about GOM?) and his IEM group isn't until Thursday. He could get on a plane Monday night in Korea and still have at least a whole day in Germany before his IEM games begin... Not too much sympathy from me, sorry, and the fact that this keeps happening should be embarrassing to the foreign community. Whether you like Huk or not, at least he stuck it out...
this is the main reason i'm slightly annoyed at stephano; if it did clash, then cool, but not like this i guess
You do understand that most people don't book plane tickets and hotel just a week in advance, right?
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
because GOM made their schedule months and months after IEM did. Didn't you notice last week on SotG when Artosis said they didn't even know the dates for the next GSL season yet? While IEM has had their entire season building up to this and its been known for months.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
How can they shuffle their schedule if they don't know what schedule GSL have? The major foreign organizations (they announced it a few months ago, don't remember all of them) are working together this year to avoid scheduling conflicts between their tournaments. Do you think they just happen to forget about GOM and that's the reason they aren't a part of that?
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
because GOM made their schedule months and months after IEM did. Didn't you notice last week on SotG when Artosis said they didn't even know the dates for the next GSL season yet? While IEM has had their entire season building up to this and its been known for months.
The problem is that GOM probably can't play them at any other date. Next week is not possible because they will have already left their old studio and will be in the process of moving to their new studio. So it's just an unfortunate coincidence.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
because GOM made their schedule months and months after IEM did. Didn't you notice last week on SotG when Artosis said they didn't even know the dates for the next GSL season yet? While IEM has had their entire season building up to this and its been known for months.
while that makes sense its not fair to make gom rearrange their entire schedule and timframe because one player has a scheduling conflict.
sucks that stephano's forfeiting but thats what happens when you give seeds to players who prioritize foreign tournaments(not saying its good or bad)
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics.
um i dont think they waited until today to schedule them. they were probably scheduled ahead of time and only announced once the player distribution was set. they probably decided there was no point in saying "up and down matches will be held on these days" before they even knew which group the players were in and when they're playing
On March 01 2013 04:13 bduddy wrote: It's not like the two tournaments are at the same time... Stephano's U/D group is early Monday (the first one... and people complain about GOM?) and his IEM group isn't until Thursday. He could get on a plane Monday night in Korea and still have at least a whole day in Germany before his IEM games begin... Not too much sympathy from me, sorry, and the fact that this keeps happening should be embarrassing to the foreign community. Whether you like Huk or not, at least he stuck it out...
this is the main reason i'm slightly annoyed at stephano; if it did clash, then cool, but not like this i guess
really? because Stephano wants more than a day to adjust to being in a completely different timezone? Dude wants to win IEM and has a legit shot at it.
On March 01 2013 03:18 blackone wrote: It's sad, foreigner after foreigner, playing on a free GSL seed, drops out as soon as they see that things aren't easy. These invites are a waste, if they had to qualify like everyone else they wouldn't play if they weren't serious. Other than Jinro and HuK, nobody has really tried to set a foot in the GSL.
Naniwa and Idra were serious about it, too. But besides them, yeah, I agree. It's time they stopped the seeds altogether.
On March 01 2013 04:13 bduddy wrote: It's not like the two tournaments are at the same time... Stephano's U/D group is early Monday (the first one... and people complain about GOM?) and his IEM group isn't until Thursday. He could get on a plane Monday night in Korea and still have at least a whole day in Germany before his IEM games begin... Not too much sympathy from me, sorry, and the fact that this keeps happening should be embarrassing to the foreign community. Whether you like Huk or not, at least he stuck it out...
this is the main reason i'm slightly annoyed at stephano; if it did clash, then cool, but not like this i guess
really? because Stephano wants more than a day to adjust to being in a completely different timezone? Dude wants to win IEM and has a legit shot at it.
i'll eat a sword if stephano wins iem
lol we all want to see that and now you have to do it!
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
because GOM made their schedule months and months after IEM did. Didn't you notice last week on SotG when Artosis said they didn't even know the dates for the next GSL season yet? While IEM has had their entire season building up to this and its been known for months.
Isn't Stephano's group right before his Proleague match?
I was under the impression that GOM got the news that Stephano would be playing proleague that day and they scheduled him to play at 11:10 KST which is significantly earlier than usual and earlier than Proleague.
I mean... GOM messing up is one thing, but this sounds more like a systematic mix-up. Of course, I'm guessing so I could totally be wrong.
On March 01 2013 04:13 bduddy wrote: It's not like the two tournaments are at the same time... Stephano's U/D group is early Monday (the first one... and people complain about GOM?) and his IEM group isn't until Thursday. He could get on a plane Monday night in Korea and still have at least a whole day in Germany before his IEM games begin... Not too much sympathy from me, sorry, and the fact that this keeps happening should be embarrassing to the foreign community. Whether you like Huk or not, at least he stuck it out...
this is the main reason i'm slightly annoyed at stephano; if it did clash, then cool, but not like this i guess
You do understand that most people don't book plane tickets and hotel just a week in advance, right?
professionals aren't most people tbh
Basicly this, EG should not be cheap on this and rebook his flight.
i think the problem is foreigners see it more as a one time tournament and koreans see it more as a continous league from season to season. no foreigner is going to move to korea and prioritize gsl over everything else season after season(at least i cant see that happening. )
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics.
um i dont think they waited until today to schedule them. they were probably scheduled ahead of time and only announced once the player distribution was set. they probably decided there was no point in saying "up and down matches will be held on these days" before they even knew which group the players were in and when they're playing
I don't think it really matters when GOM figured out the dates, what matters is the date they told everyone else. Let me put it another way, they provided him with less than 5 days notice of his match. What if he had decided to go out to IEM early and stop and see his family in France?
On March 01 2013 03:29 -IeZaeL- wrote: lol... people flaming Stephano for this....hahahaha nice ignorants .
IEM : More money + 3 days GSL: Less money + harder + a couple of months
Pick one
It's not always about money. Or, ok, if you want to see it just in terms of short term money then yes, its better to be a big fish in a small pond and earn some cash from there. But, in the long term, if he wants to compete to be the best (and, therefore, earn a LOT more money from prizes, wage and sponsor), he will have to take the risk some time. He will never reach a GSL level if he don't play GSL, it's simply as that. No risk, no glory.
Edit: also, he doesn't have a guaranteed chance to get a big price! 1) because it's HotS, and 2) because there are some very good players like Mvp or MC.
On March 01 2013 04:13 bduddy wrote: It's not like the two tournaments are at the same time... Stephano's U/D group is early Monday (the first one... and people complain about GOM?) and his IEM group isn't until Thursday. He could get on a plane Monday night in Korea and still have at least a whole day in Germany before his IEM games begin... Not too much sympathy from me, sorry, and the fact that this keeps happening should be embarrassing to the foreign community. Whether you like Huk or not, at least he stuck it out...
this is the main reason i'm slightly annoyed at stephano; if it did clash, then cool, but not like this i guess
You do understand that most people don't book plane tickets and hotel just a week in advance, right?
professionals aren't most people tbh
Basicly this, EG should not be cheap on this and rebook his flight.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
Yeah, with amazing jetlag and lack of practice. And we all know how well people play when they are jetlagged. But, hey know you, GOM gives you less than 5 days notice, just change your flight ACROSS THE WORLD and play in their U&D match. I am sure there is another flight to IEM in a few hours. International flights are like taxis right? On demand.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics.
um i dont think they waited until today to schedule them. they were probably scheduled ahead of time and only announced once the player distribution was set. they probably decided there was no point in saying "up and down matches will be held on these days" before they even knew which group the players were in and when they're playing
I don't think it really matters when GOM figured out the dates, what matters is the date they told everyone else. Let me put it another way, they provided him with less than 5 days notice of his match. What if he had decided to go out to IEM early and stop and see his family in France?
5 days notice is not enough notice for anything.
I agree with that but ocnsidering the round of 24 just ended a few days ago there's not a whole lot of more time they have. plus it probably doesnt matter too much(normally) cause 99 percent of he players are going to be available and if there's a major tournament that interferes with multiple players gom does reschedule when possible. plus there's also percievedfairness. gom already gives foreigner seeds, it might look bad if they started rearranging their entire schedules for 1 player.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
because GOM made their schedule months and months after IEM did. Didn't you notice last week on SotG when Artosis said they didn't even know the dates for the next GSL season yet? While IEM has had their entire season building up to this and its been known for months.
Isn't Stephano's group right before his Proleague match?
I was under the impression that GOM got the news that Stephano would be playing proleague that day and they scheduled him to play at 11:10 KST which is significantly earlier than usual and earlier than Proleague.
I mean... GOM messing up is one thing, but this sounds more like a systematic mix-up. Of course, I'm guessing so I could totally be wrong.
Wait, that's a good point. Why the hell was he entered into the Proleague line-up?
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics.
um i dont think they waited until today to schedule them. they were probably scheduled ahead of time and only announced once the player distribution was set. they probably decided there was no point in saying "up and down matches will be held on these days" before they even knew which group the players were in and when they're playing
I don't think it really matters when GOM figured out the dates, what matters is the date they told everyone else. Let me put it another way, they provided him with less than 5 days notice of his match. What if he had decided to go out to IEM early and stop and see his family in France?
5 days notice is not enough notice for anything.
too bad team managers know dates well in advance of the public
They have broken their backs to give Stephano a chance to play in their league, and him, being the spoiled brat he is, decides to not show up because he feels entitled to the GSL spot.
GOM should not allow him to play next season, since he clearly doesn't give a shit about GSL in the first place.
If I was Mr. Chae and the GOM crew, I'd be really fucking pissed off right now.
According to liquipedia, Stephano is suppose to play against SK telecom in pro league the same day (03/04). Will he forfeit his pro league game too? :-/
On March 01 2013 03:18 blackone wrote: It's sad, foreigner after foreigner, playing on a free GSL seed, drops out as soon as they see that things aren't easy. These invites are a waste, if they had to qualify like everyone else they wouldn't play if they weren't serious. Other than Jinro and HuK, nobody has really tried to set a foot in the GSL.
I agree. It's time they stopped the seeds altogether.
On March 01 2013 02:56 SoOJuuu wrote: foreigners get spots and give them up. I bet this really frustrates korean gamers that are trying to make it.
Very disappointing in stephano.
Still want the feature on TL to remove all posts with the words "disappointing", "disappointed" and "disgusted" from my review.
I don't know why people are grumpy about this. Why would anyone skip out on a full event to play in a qualifying match? GSL is nice, but not worth giving up a whole other event just for the option to qualify.
I think you're missing the point bud. What he's saying is that there are quite a few Code B players who are really good and always play in these cutthroat qualifiers but can rarely pull through. GSL is getting more and more stacked, as no doubt we've all noticed, which makes the qualifiers tougher as well. What he's saying is that there are a lot of great koreans practicing a lot and trying to make it through to Code A with very little success simply because of how insanely competitive the qualifiers are, whereas Stephano gets seeded, plays, loses and then forfeits his U&D spot, which even if he lost he would still be in Code A.
That's what I think SoOJuuu was getting at. It's always been the case with GSL, although I would argue that now it's more significant than ever, considering how many good players there are (especially since the Kespa switch).
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics.
um i dont think they waited until today to schedule them. they were probably scheduled ahead of time and only announced once the player distribution was set. they probably decided there was no point in saying "up and down matches will be held on these days" before they even knew which group the players were in and when they're playing
I don't think it really matters when GOM figured out the dates, what matters is the date they told everyone else. Let me put it another way, they provided him with less than 5 days notice of his match. What if he had decided to go out to IEM early and stop and see his family in France?
5 days notice is not enough notice for anything.
I really think they were assuming he was going to play Proleague since 11:10 KST is way earlier than usual groups and enough time before his proleague match on. And he was listed to play in Proleague on the lineups.
I mean he has Proleague later that same day... that means his team thought he'd be in for THAT day. That implies his team didn't know about this until recently. It could have been a miscommunication all around about when the flights would be exactly since at the very least we know EG told Proleague Stephano would be available to play on that day. And I do remember players mentioning how they had to send in their schedules to GOM.
On March 01 2013 04:46 Gojii wrote: According to liquipedia, Stephano is suppose to play against SK telecom in pro league the same day (03/04). Will he forfeit his pro league game too? :-/
On March 01 2013 03:29 -IeZaeL- wrote: lol... people flaming Stephano for this....hahahaha nice ignorants .
IEM : More money + 3 days GSL: Less money + harder + a couple of months
Pick one
Call me an idiot but I'd pick GSL any time unless I'm truly desperate for money, which is not Stephano's case AFAIK. The benefits of growing your career by staying in a more competitive environment can't be overstated, plus there's glory to be found.
The point of him already being committed to IEM is pretty solid though, I guess it's natural for him to go considering he qualified a long ass time ago.
On March 01 2013 04:45 Chronald wrote: TBH, this is a huge insult to GOM and the GSL.
They have broken their backs to give Stephano a chance to play in their league, and him, being the spoiled brat he is, decides to not show up because he feels entitled to the GSL spot.
GOM should not allow him to play next season, since he clearly doesn't give a shit about GSL in the first place.
If I was Mr. Chae and the GOM crew, I'd be really fucking pissed off right now.
i dont think its that much of an insult honestly. gom probably knows in advance that the foreign players are going to prioritize foreign tournaments and not base their lives around gsl and since gom keeps giving invites they probably think its worth it to continue.
Call me an idiot but I'd pick GSL any time unless I'm truly desperate for money, which is not Stephano's case AFAIK. The benefits of growing your career by staying in a more competitive environment can't be overstated, plus there's glory to be found.
The point of him already being committed to IEM is pretty solid though, I guess it's natural for him to go considering he qualified a long ass time ago.
honestly from stephano's perspective i think it makes sense for iem. he does better at those types of tournaments he proabably wouldn't get through the up and downs(not saying he wouldnt but that he couldn't plan on getting through if that makes any snese) and iem is probably better from a marketing point. anyway gtg to class feel free to disagree sorry if this last thing isnt clear im short on time
On March 01 2013 04:45 Chronald wrote: TBH, this is a huge insult to GOM and the GSL.
They have broken their backs to give Stephano a chance to play in their league, and him, being the spoiled brat he is, decides to not show up because he feels entitled to the GSL spot.
GOM should not allow him to play next season, since he clearly doesn't give a shit about GSL in the first place.
If I was Mr. Chae and the GOM crew, I'd be really fucking pissed off right now.
i dont think its that much of an insult honestly. gom probably knows in advance that the foreign players are going to prioritize foreign tournaments and not base their lives around gsl and since gom keeps giving invites they probably think its worth it to continue.
This is habitual for foreign players. They either need to set a precedent about this sort of shit, or stop giving out free seeds when players in Code B/A have been grinding so hard and can't get that spot since some spoiled foreigner wants to try GSL.
There shouldnt be code S seeds at all. Best of all they could give seeds to code A/ U&D. Giving straight seed to code S is pretty undeserving, and such precedents only prove this even more.
On March 01 2013 03:59 Plansix wrote: [quote] And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics.
um i dont think they waited until today to schedule them. they were probably scheduled ahead of time and only announced once the player distribution was set. they probably decided there was no point in saying "up and down matches will be held on these days" before they even knew which group the players were in and when they're playing
I don't think it really matters when GOM figured out the dates, what matters is the date they told everyone else. Let me put it another way, they provided him with less than 5 days notice of his match. What if he had decided to go out to IEM early and stop and see his family in France?
5 days notice is not enough notice for anything.
too bad team managers know dates well in advance of the public
You have no proof to back that up and are just making shit up. Artosis didn't know the dates for the U&D matches last week on SotG. You just want to troll and act self richeous about him forfiting a match that any other Korean player would have forfited(and likely will if they are also in IEM).
On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote: [quote] Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics.
um i dont think they waited until today to schedule them. they were probably scheduled ahead of time and only announced once the player distribution was set. they probably decided there was no point in saying "up and down matches will be held on these days" before they even knew which group the players were in and when they're playing
I don't think it really matters when GOM figured out the dates, what matters is the date they told everyone else. Let me put it another way, they provided him with less than 5 days notice of his match. What if he had decided to go out to IEM early and stop and see his family in France?
5 days notice is not enough notice for anything.
too bad team managers know dates well in advance of the public
You have no proof to back that up and are just making shit up. Artosis didn't know the dates for the U&D matches last week on SotG. You just want to troll and act self richeous about him forfiting a match that any other Korean player would have forfited(and likely will if they are also in IEM).
see bumblebee and liquid hero last year in wcs lol
On March 01 2013 04:45 Chronald wrote: TBH, this is a huge insult to GOM and the GSL.
They have broken their backs to give Stephano a chance to play in their league, and him, being the spoiled brat he is, decides to not show up because he feels entitled to the GSL spot.
GOM should not allow him to play next season, since he clearly doesn't give a shit about GSL in the first place.
If I was Mr. Chae and the GOM crew, I'd be really fucking pissed off right now.
i dont think its that much of an insult honestly. gom probably knows in advance that the foreign players are going to prioritize foreign tournaments and not base their lives around gsl and since gom keeps giving invites they probably think its worth it to continue.
This is habitual for foreign players. They either need to set a precedent about this sort of shit, or stop giving out free seeds when players in Code B/A have been grinding so hard and can't get that spot since some spoiled foreigner wants to try GSL.
Qualify or GTFO.
That would be ideal, yes. Too bad foreigners playing in the GSL, seeded or not, still provide a very significant increase in viewership, so much so that it warrants seeding them even if they should forfeit later on.
On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote: [quote] Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics.
um i dont think they waited until today to schedule them. they were probably scheduled ahead of time and only announced once the player distribution was set. they probably decided there was no point in saying "up and down matches will be held on these days" before they even knew which group the players were in and when they're playing
I don't think it really matters when GOM figured out the dates, what matters is the date they told everyone else. Let me put it another way, they provided him with less than 5 days notice of his match. What if he had decided to go out to IEM early and stop and see his family in France?
5 days notice is not enough notice for anything.
too bad team managers know dates well in advance of the public
You have no proof to back that up and are just making shit up. Artosis didn't know the dates for the U&D matches last week on SotG. You just want to troll and act self richeous about him forfiting a match that any other Korean player would have forfited(and likely will if they are also in IEM).
Chance to play some matches in an up and down vs a chance to win a much needed trophy (to assuage the results EGTL has had in PL)
On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote: It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think.
No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue.
First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means.
By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams.
Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good.
Seriously, people, this is the important thing here: Stephano is scheduled to lead off for EG-TL in the late Proleague match on Monday, the same day as his U/D group and well after it...
On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote: It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think.
No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue.
First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means.
By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams.
Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good.
I don't care about esports, free seeds are ruining the integrity of competition in GSL, that's more important to me than watching foreigners get beat up. If Stephano couldn't make it past the ro32 when Zerg is strong in WoL what hope is there for any other foreigner in Hots? Maybe Naniwa can qualify and make another run some day, he's still the only foreigner to go deep in GSL since 2011.
On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote: [quote] Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics.
um i dont think they waited until today to schedule them. they were probably scheduled ahead of time and only announced once the player distribution was set. they probably decided there was no point in saying "up and down matches will be held on these days" before they even knew which group the players were in and when they're playing
I don't think it really matters when GOM figured out the dates, what matters is the date they told everyone else. Let me put it another way, they provided him with less than 5 days notice of his match. What if he had decided to go out to IEM early and stop and see his family in France?
5 days notice is not enough notice for anything.
too bad team managers know dates well in advance of the public
You have no proof to back that up and are just making shit up. Artosis didn't know the dates for the U&D matches last week on SotG. You just want to troll and act self richeous about him forfiting a match that any other Korean player would have forfited(and likely will if they are also in IEM).
Isn't Yonghwa in IEM and in that very group? AND his IEM group is in March 5th as opposed to Stephano's at March 7th?
I mean... maybe he'll forfeit too, there's still time. But we'll see what happens.
On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote: It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think.
No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue.
First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means.
By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams.
Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good.
I dont think #esports deserve to survive if they need to rely on those kind of marketing gimmicks to do so.
On March 01 2013 02:58 Cokefreak wrote: Why does he not inform GOM that he isn't going to participate, I'm sure he had decided this before they released the U&D groups...
perhaps because they should informed teh DAY he have to play before ? i am sure he would play if its no iem conflict ...
also i saw him easy win the group but what he gets from it ? nearly nothing so sure IEM is way more weight for him
some players here bitching about seeds ... i rly have to ask their brain status in a nice not banworth way ... 1mio years stephano say NO and everyone flames him for not try best league then he accept for season one and after he not can timely play in season 2 anymore the flamers start again. this time because he ACCEPTED the seed ? come on guys wtf ???? he accepted season 1. he played season 1 ... let him do what he wants, why should stephano play an up and down winning maximum a code S seed when he can make 20+ in IEM same time
On March 01 2013 04:59 bduddy wrote: Seriously, people, this is the important thing here: Stephano is scheduled to lead off for EG-TL in the late Proleague match on Monday, the same day as his U/D group and well after it...
On March 01 2013 02:58 Cokefreak wrote: Why does he not inform GOM that he isn't going to participate, I'm sure he had decided this before they released the U&D groups...
perhaps because they should informed teh DAY he have to play before ? i am sure he would play if its no iem conflict ...
also i saw him easy win the group but what he gets from it ? nearly nothing so sure IEM is way more weight for him
On March 01 2013 04:59 bduddy wrote: Seriously, people, this is the important thing here: Stephano is scheduled to lead off for EG-TL in the late Proleague match on Monday, the same day as his U/D group and well after it...
So either Stephano is just blatantly dodging his U/D group, or EG management seriously messed up somehow.
Well that's just hilarious. This most likely means he has no intention to return to Korea after he goes to IEM and MLG.
OMG, I've been saying this 2 pages ago. Why are people still arguing as if GOM messed up completely when it's clear that there's a miscommunication by management.
On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote: It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think.
No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue.
First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means.
By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams.
Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good.
While there is definitely truth to what you are saying, look at it from this perspective as well:
Seeding, regardless of the tournament, means less chance for potential newcomers to affirm themselves. Again, what SoOJuuu was saying on the first page, there are a lot of koreans grinding and practicing really hard who now have even less chances of qualifying because of how stacked GSL has gotten since Kespa switching over. You must realize it's very frustrating for semipros / b-teamers / practice partners to know that even though they practice extremely hard they have a huge chance of failing to qualify for Code A because there are so many former Code A/Code S players that they must compete against, whereas white folk just get seeded.
Whether or not they are better than Stephano is not determined and cannot be determined if we can't even get to see them play in a proper GSL environment (and don't give me the "oh but if they're so good they should make it anyway" because for instance when PuMa was an absolute top terran he still couldn't make the qualifiers, and there were less good players back then too). So you know, player pool might stagnate and what not.
Just a converse viewpoint to the one you expressed.
On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote: It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think.
No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue.
First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means.
By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams.
Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good.
I don't care about esports, free seeds are ruining the integrity of competition in GSL, that's more important to me than watching foreigners get beat up. If Stephano couldn't make it past the ro32 when Zerg is strong in WoL what hope is there for any other foreigner in Hots? Maybe Naniwa can qualify and make another run some day, he's still the only foreigner to go deep in GSL since 2011.
If GSL doesn't keep sponsors happy with viewer numbers and etc... what do you think will happen to the tournament. 1 free seed to a foreigner who has been placing well in foreign tournaments is not a bad thing. So Stephano didn't show ideal results. Naniwa did, was he not given that free seed, or did he qualify?
And how did Stephano ruin the integrity of competition. Did he 6-pool every game? Did he worker rush? Didn't he win one of his matches?
On March 01 2013 02:58 Cokefreak wrote: Why does he not inform GOM that he isn't going to participate, I'm sure he had decided this before they released the U&D groups...
perhaps because they should informed teh DAY he have to play before ? i am sure he would play if its no iem conflict ...
also i saw him easy win the group but what he gets from it ? nearly nothing so sure IEM is way more weight for him
hahah what he gets from a code s spot? lol
yep thats the point, winning a code S spot in a HOTS code S where he will barely win ... no IEM is way better for him and his reputation.
DONT FORGET: he said he wanna stop after 2013 right ? so he has to get all money he can ^^
On March 01 2013 02:58 Cokefreak wrote: Why does he not inform GOM that he isn't going to participate, I'm sure he had decided this before they released the U&D groups...
perhaps because they should informed teh DAY he have to play before ? i am sure he would play if its no iem conflict ...
Then how do you explain that stephano will play PL the next monday ? Unless he forfeits PL as well (can he? I mean it's Kespa), that GOM-IEM conflict thing is just an excuse to dodge gsl.
On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote: [quote] Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM?
Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics.
um i dont think they waited until today to schedule them. they were probably scheduled ahead of time and only announced once the player distribution was set. they probably decided there was no point in saying "up and down matches will be held on these days" before they even knew which group the players were in and when they're playing
I don't think it really matters when GOM figured out the dates, what matters is the date they told everyone else. Let me put it another way, they provided him with less than 5 days notice of his match. What if he had decided to go out to IEM early and stop and see his family in France?
5 days notice is not enough notice for anything.
too bad team managers know dates well in advance of the public
You have no proof to back that up and are just making shit up. Artosis didn't know the dates for the U&D matches last week on SotG. You just want to troll and act self richeous about him forfiting a match that any other Korean player would have forfited(and likely will if they are also in IEM).
On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote: It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think.
No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue.
First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means.
By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams.
Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good.
I don't care about esports, free seeds are ruining the integrity of competition in GSL, that's more important to me than watching foreigners get beat up. If Stephano couldn't make it past the ro32 when Zerg is strong in WoL what hope is there for any other foreigner in Hots? Maybe Naniwa can qualify and make another run some day, he's still the only foreigner to go deep in GSL since 2011.
If GSL doesn't keep sponsors happy with viewer numbers and etc... what do you think will happen to the tournament. 1 free seed to a foreigner who has been placing well in foreign tournaments is not a bad thing. So Stephano didn't show ideal results. Naniwa did, was he not given that free seed, or did he qualify?
And how did Stephano ruin the integrity of competition. Did he 6-pool every game? Did he worker rush? Didn't he win one of his matches?
jeah ... calling youself a GLOBAL league being in korea you need to help the nonkoreans to participate, its not worth go to korea to TRY qualifing, but sometimes it is when you KNOW you get a seed so ... only possible way to do it
On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote: It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think.
No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue.
First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means.
By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams.
Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good.
I dont think #esports deserve to survive if they need to rely on those kind of marketing gimmicks to do so.
Marketing is how businesses thrive. You may not like it, but it is true. eSports needs to show the potential for ROI and growth for more sponsors to come in and grow the overall business. eSports cannot rely on venture capitalists forever.
If giving away 1 seed in a tournament can vastly increase your viewers/subscribers it is worth it.
On March 01 2013 02:58 Cokefreak wrote: Why does he not inform GOM that he isn't going to participate, I'm sure he had decided this before they released the U&D groups...
perhaps because they should informed teh DAY he have to play before ? i am sure he would play if its no iem conflict ...
also i saw him easy win the group but what he gets from it ? nearly nothing so sure IEM is way more weight for him
hahah what he gets from a code s spot? lol
yep thats the point, winning a code S spot in a HOTS code S where he will barely win ... no IEM is way better for him and his reputation.
DONT FORGET: he said he wanna stop after 2013 right ? so he has to get all money he can ^^
he's not going to win iem, so no difference really. what will happen to his already-poor reputation (recently) when he does not live up to expectations?
On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote: It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think.
No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue.
First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means.
By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams.
Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good.
I don't care about esports, free seeds are ruining the integrity of competition in GSL, that's more important to me than watching foreigners get beat up. If Stephano couldn't make it past the ro32 when Zerg is strong in WoL what hope is there for any other foreigner in Hots? Maybe Naniwa can qualify and make another run some day, he's still the only foreigner to go deep in GSL since 2011.
If GSL doesn't keep sponsors happy with viewer numbers and etc... what do you think will happen to the tournament. 1 free seed to a foreigner who has been placing well in foreign tournaments is not a bad thing. So Stephano didn't show ideal results. Naniwa did, was he not given that free seed, or did he qualify?
And how did Stephano ruin the integrity of competition. Did he 6-pool every game? Did he worker rush? Didn't he win one of his matches?
GSL can survive just fine without giving out free seeds, the fan base has been built up enough and those who didn't move on from sc2 have accepted that It's a Koreans game. If the difference between GOM living and dying is foreigners playing then it doesn't deserve to live. (Which it isn't, they're moving into a huge new studio, they're doing fine)
It ruins the integrity of the competition because it takes the spot away from a hardworking player who is trying to qualify through Code B and then Code A, that spot that went to stephano could have been an additional wildcard seed from the U/D's. If they end up forfeiting their spot after failing to achieve anything that's even worse, then it was all for nothing. I don't agree with seeding Naniwa either but at least he played until he fell to Code B, three full seasons.
On March 01 2013 02:58 Cokefreak wrote: Why does he not inform GOM that he isn't going to participate, I'm sure he had decided this before they released the U&D groups...
perhaps because they should informed teh DAY he have to play before ? i am sure he would play if its no iem conflict ...
also i saw him easy win the group but what he gets from it ? nearly nothing so sure IEM is way more weight for him
hahah what he gets from a code s spot? lol
yep thats the point, winning a code S spot in a HOTS code S where he will barely win ... no IEM is way better for him and his reputation.
DONT FORGET: he said he wanna stop after 2013 right ? so he has to get all money he can ^^
he's not going to win iem, so no difference really. what will happen to his already-poor reputation (recently) when he does not live up to expectations?
On March 01 2013 02:58 Cokefreak wrote: Why does he not inform GOM that he isn't going to participate, I'm sure he had decided this before they released the U&D groups...
perhaps because they should informed teh DAY he have to play before ? i am sure he would play if its no iem conflict ...
also i saw him easy win the group but what he gets from it ? nearly nothing so sure IEM is way more weight for him
hahah what he gets from a code s spot? lol
yep thats the point, winning a code S spot in a HOTS code S where he will barely win ... no IEM is way better for him and his reputation.
DONT FORGET: he said he wanna stop after 2013 right ? so he has to get all money he can ^^
he's not going to win iem, so no difference really. what will happen to his already-poor reputation (recently) when he does not live up to expectations?
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote: It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think.
No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue.
First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means.
By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams.
Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good.
I don't care about esports, free seeds are ruining the integrity of competition in GSL, that's more important to me than watching foreigners get beat up. If Stephano couldn't make it past the ro32 when Zerg is strong in WoL what hope is there for any other foreigner in Hots? Maybe Naniwa can qualify and make another run some day, he's still the only foreigner to go deep in GSL since 2011.
If GSL doesn't keep sponsors happy with viewer numbers and etc... what do you think will happen to the tournament. 1 free seed to a foreigner who has been placing well in foreign tournaments is not a bad thing. So Stephano didn't show ideal results. Naniwa did, was he not given that free seed, or did he qualify?
And how did Stephano ruin the integrity of competition. Did he 6-pool every game? Did he worker rush? Didn't he win one of his matches?
GSL can survive just fine without giving out free seeds, the fan base has been built up enough and those who didn't move on from sc2 have accepted that It's a Koreans game. If the difference between GOM living and dying is foreigners playing then it doesn't deserve to live. (Which it isn't, they're moving into a huge new studio, they're doing fine)
It ruins the integrity of the competition because it takes the spot away from a hardworking player who is trying to qualify through Code B and then Code A, that spot that went to stephano could have been an additional wildcard seed from the U/D's. If they end up forfeiting their spot after failing to achieve anything that's even worse, then it was all for nothing. I don't agree with seeding Naniwa either but at least he played until he fell to Code B, three full seasons.
I don't like seeing foreigners get free rides to Code S either but you can't deny that it only helps viewer ratings, and while no one here can say what difference it makes, I know from actually going to the studio that when a foreigner plays, the studio actually fills up, compared to what it is normally w/o any foreigners/brand-name players/JD
Well, that really does suck, but wow, people have pitchforks out. He had a conflict with the IEM WC, which is a much more important event than the Up and Downs. Very unfortunate, but it does happen with all the tournaments out there.
But this also means that there will be a 4 man group, and 6 man groups. If possible, GSL should reshuffle the groups, because now the group's are so imbalanced in numbers.
All the people saying they're disappointed or angry with Stephano, or even Grubby, need to grow up. They're grown men, and playing this game is their job, they're in it to make money. The nature of the SC2 tournament scene, having so many tournaments so frequently, means that high-level players like Stephano and Grubby can choose where to devote their time and efforts. You'd have to be seriously blind to say that staying out of IEM to go and attempt to qualify for Code S again is a good move for Stephano, he has a FAR greater chance of earning some serious money at IEM, and it will take him a fraction of the time to do it.
And saying that he's somehow disrespecting GOM by turning down his spot and choosing IEM instead? Please. Just because he's offered a spot doesn't mean he has to take it. Sorry Stephano, no IEM for you, the mighty GOM has requested your presence in their GSL and if you don't attend you'll be a pariah in the community. What a load of crap.
This isn't a shot at GOM by the way, I don't see them bitching and moaning about Stephano turning down their seed, this is aimed at people who seem to think it shouldn't be in the players' hands to choose which tournaments to attend and they should automatically have to accept seeds from the most prestigious tournaments, even if it's a waste of their time and efforts to do so.
On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote: It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think.
No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue.
First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means.
By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams.
Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good.
I don't care about esports, free seeds are ruining the integrity of competition in GSL, that's more important to me than watching foreigners get beat up. If Stephano couldn't make it past the ro32 when Zerg is strong in WoL what hope is there for any other foreigner in Hots? Maybe Naniwa can qualify and make another run some day, he's still the only foreigner to go deep in GSL since 2011.
If GSL doesn't keep sponsors happy with viewer numbers and etc... what do you think will happen to the tournament. 1 free seed to a foreigner who has been placing well in foreign tournaments is not a bad thing. So Stephano didn't show ideal results. Naniwa did, was he not given that free seed, or did he qualify?
And how did Stephano ruin the integrity of competition. Did he 6-pool every game? Did he worker rush? Didn't he win one of his matches?
jeah ... calling youself a GLOBAL league being in korea you need to help the nonkoreans to participate, its not worth go to korea to TRY qualifing, but sometimes it is when you KNOW you get a seed so ... only possible way to do it
Same old discussion, as always.
Foreigners need charity seeds if they are to remain GSL. There've only been few exceptions, for the most part this has been true. Is it fair to give them seeds? The fact that they are being seeded into the GSL does a number of things:
- Arguably might hurt GSL's reputation as the toughest league in the world, although not significantly - Brings the GSL more viewers, fans are more interested to watch and more likely to get invested in the matches themselves, better entertainment, good stories etc. - Frustrates the tons of Code B koreans who are working really hard towards qualifying but can't catch a break
At least in the short run, the positives outweigh the negatives, whether it ends up being fair or not.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
Didn't you know, international flights are like taxis, you can just change them. They are also always available to anywhere and easy to switch.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
Didn't you know, international flights are like taxis, you can just change them. They are also always available to anywhere and easy to switch.
They are actually very easy to switch, and there's usually many flights a day leaving from Incheon.
So what does GOM do with his U/D slot anywyas? Does it go to the next in line player so that the group is still full, or do his opponents all get walkover victories?
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
just because they can doesn't mean they should. Stephano is probably done with GSL. Tournament season is back in full swing with IEM. He's not going to commit to GSL for that long. Expecting him to do so was naive.
On March 01 2013 03:59 Plansix wrote: [quote] And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
But is it even possible, does kespa allow that ?
Well considering people get sick, fall down and have parents and family who die, I am sure they have a system for when people have to cancel.
First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there.
If a foreigner was actually able to win, shouldn't he also be able to qualify without problems? Qualification for Code A is one or two days, actual Code A is two weeks. I don't see how you have to live in Korea full time to do that.
I can't imagine PL would allow line-up changes after they've already been announced. Means EGTL will probably have to take a forfeit loss that day on Stephano's game.
The worst decision out of everything is, that they didn't delay the up and downs for 2 or 3 weeks and then make them HotS to begin with. Next season is played in HotS anyways, so it doesn't make the smallest sense that U&D are in WoL.
There are already full tournaments running HotS (see IEM), even before HotS is released. I don't get it, why GOM doesn't do it the same way...
I don't get it. GOM said they took every other tournament schedule in consideration when making groups / scheduling GSL matches. So Why on earth was Stephano scheduled to play 1 before day IEM...
On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote: [quote] Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
But is it even possible, does kespa allow that ?
Well considering people get sick, fall down and have parents and family who die, I am sure they have a system for when people have to cancel.
But does this system work for someone who's confirmed to play but decides to cancel ? Let's see.
HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches.
And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.
On March 01 2013 05:27 Otis Jenkins wrote: I don't get it. GOM said they took every other tournament schedule in consideration when making groups / scheduling GSL matches. So Why on earth was Stephano scheduled to play 1 before day IEM...
You should've read the entire thread bro.
First off Stephano plays on March 7th. This match is on March 4th in Korea time. Also, Yonghwa plays on March 5th in IEM and has yet to forfeit.
Secondly, Stephano is scheduled to play in Proleague LATER THAT SAME DAY. This line-up is submitted by the management of EG-TL. That implies there's been some miscommunication on EG's part. Hell, notice that GOM made the group scheduled to play at 11:10 KST which is way earlier than usual groups so Stephano can play in Proleague.
On March 01 2013 05:27 Otis Jenkins wrote: I don't get it. GOM said they took every other tournament schedule in consideration when making groups / scheduling GSL matches. So Why on earth was Stephano scheduled to play 1 before day IEM...
if stephano catches a sligtly later flight (about 10 or so hours) he can make both pl and up/downs
On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote: [quote] Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
But is it even possible, does kespa allow that ?
Well considering people get sick, fall down and have parents and family who die, I am sure they have a system for when people have to cancel.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
But is it even possible, does kespa allow that ?
Well considering people get sick, fall down and have parents and family who die, I am sure they have a system for when people have to cancel.
who's speculating now?
was it best or something who had a situation with family? i remember reading about it.
On March 01 2013 05:27 Otis Jenkins wrote: I don't get it. GOM said they took every other tournament schedule in consideration when making groups / scheduling GSL matches. So Why on earth was Stephano scheduled to play 1 before day IEM...
He was scheduled March 4th in GSL and March 7th in IEM. What should they do, cancel 2 full weeks of games around every IEM, MLG, Dreamhack, Assembly, IPL?
On March 01 2013 03:59 Plansix wrote: [quote] And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works.
Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.
Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?
On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote: [quote] Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.
Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?
very possible, poor play from eg management, especially since incontrol did post in the up/down thead to cheer for stepano
So now EG-TL has to take a free loss in PL because Stephano would rather earn the big bucks than fulfill the promises he made to GOM and KeSPA. Unholy Alliance was a bad idea from the beginning for TL, just tarnishing their good reputation and commitment by being associated with an organization as paltry and laughable as EG.
Oh well, at least Stephano fanboys can rejoice because they'll have an excuse for his meteoric plummet into Code B.
Another failed korean adventure. You'd wish the 'best foreigner' actually had the competitive spirit to keep playing in the highest level of competition, I figured that's why EG was paying him his salary in the first place.
Back to winning the occassional foreign tournament I'm guessing.
On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote: [quote] Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
But is it even possible, does kespa allow that ?
Well considering people get sick, fall down and have parents and family who die, I am sure they have a system for when people have to cancel.
That is completely different tough, you do not choose that stuff. When you willingly do not go to a tournament those rules shouldn't apply to you, its completely unfair as well to the team they are playing against as well.
TT It's a shame, but I kind of expected it. I'm sure that the GSL will be happy to welcome him back into the next season, if Stephano hasn't made $2 mil by then and gone off to med school.
On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote: [quote] Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.
Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?
GOM's fault! EG's fault! Airlines' fault!
I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.
On March 01 2013 05:26 Xulatis wrote: The worst decision out of everything is, that they didn't delay the up and downs for 2 or 3 weeks and then make them HotS to begin with. Next season is played in HotS anyways, so it doesn't make the smallest sense that U&D are in WoL.
There are already full tournaments running HotS (see IEM), even before HotS is released. I don't get it, why GOM doesn't do it the same way...
Because that one part has to do HoTS for their code S spots and the other WoL. Do you not see the massive problem here?
On March 01 2013 05:41 Derez wrote: Another failed korean adventure. You'd wish the 'best foreigner' actually had the competitive spirit to keep playing in the highest level of competition, I figured that's why EG was paying him his salary in the first place.
Back to winning the occassional foreign tournament I'm guessing.
That's not actually why EG pays, it just happens to go hand in hand. EG pays for big name players
Why does Stephano have fans again? The amount of shit that he's collectively excused for is kind of amazing. I guess the fact that there's a white person that can beat Koreans a tiny fraction of the time is so mind-blowing to people that they can't just admit that he's an asshole and start rooting for players that deserve the good will.
Very predictable, but none the less disappointing behavior from a team so heavily invested into Proleague/GSL. I can't imagine the Korean teammates finding this acceptable either. Not very professional or respectful.
I think this just shows things to come. I think slowly you are going to see more and more foreign teams and events pull away from Korea and separate to some extent. More White kids playing each other to "grow esports" (obv its not going to work that way). It was a big enough disparity with ESF vs the world, and now add the Kespa players into the mix and there's no way foreigners can compete on any meaningful level for teams to keep profit and the scene growing.
On March 01 2013 05:49 LightSpectra wrote: Why does Stephano have fans again? The amount of shit that he's collectively excused for is kind of amazing. I guess the fact that there's a white person that can beat Koreans a tiny fraction of the time is so mind-blowing to people that they can't just admit that he's an asshole and start rooting for players that deserve the good will.
Pretty sure the team would have a reasonable degree in deciding what their player plays in, it's as much EG's fault as Stephano's.
On March 01 2013 03:17 SoFrOsTy wrote: He is bad. I used to really like him as a player but I think he jut isn't that good anymore. I get the feeling he plays less now than he did when he was on Mill. Seems like he isn't having fun anymore.
He chooses a much easier tournament with a much greater chance of making money over the top competition in the world........and now he is a bad player? He was in arguably the hardest round of 32 group and went 1 game away from advancing. Name me one other non-korean that would make it out of that group........ Exactly.
On March 01 2013 05:40 LightSpectra wrote: So now EG-TL has to take a free loss in PL because Stephano would rather earn the big bucks than fulfill the promises he made to GOM and KeSPA. Unholy Alliance was a bad idea from the beginning for TL, just tarnishing their good reputation and commitment by being associated with an organization as paltry and laughable as EG.
Oh well, at least Stephano fanboys can rejoice because they'll have an excuse for his meteoric plummet into Code B.
Well nothing has been said yet regarding the PL match, we only know that stephano is supposed to play and so far he has not cancelled.
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.
Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?
GOM's fault! EG's fault! Airlines' fault!
I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.
I doubt that Stephano books his own flights.
Also, considering the schedule I expect Yonghwa to either forfeit IEM or Up&Down matches.
On March 01 2013 03:17 SoFrOsTy wrote: He is bad. I used to really like him as a player but I think he jut isn't that good anymore. I get the feeling he plays less now than he did when he was on Mill. Seems like he isn't having fun anymore.
He chooses a much easier tournament with a much greater chance of making money over the top competition in the world........and now he is a bad player? He was in arguably the hardest round of 32 group and went 1 game away from advancing. Name me one other non-korean that would make it out of that group........ Exactly.
Who the fuck cares that he's non-Korean. I'm not giving anybody a pat on the head for their failures just because they happen to not be white; I mean, if anybody on a ESF/KEPSA team did half the shit that Stephano's done, they would be anathema. And you know what? Nobody would care. He's not a quirky genius that wins OSLs. Flash he is not. Held up to the same standards as Koreans, he's not that great, and his antics are really getting annoying. (But not quite as annoying as the constant excuses from his fanboys.)
Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.
Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?
GOM's fault! EG's fault! Airlines' fault!
I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.
In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.
On March 01 2013 05:56 jmbthirteen wrote: Remember that time grubby decided to skip code a to go play an IPL show match? Like two weeks ago? And no one gave a shit?
Does Grubby play for EG? And people talk about double standards.
On March 01 2013 03:56 mordk wrote: Money trumps big title chance apparently
Too bad
Chances are slim, but still, without participating in the GSL, he can never be the best.
oh..IEM champion is not a big title? Ah ok.
he's already taken down being "the best foreigner" BUT he ISNT the best in the world...so what else do you really want from him? he has to play and win until YOU feel good about yourself bc a foreigner IS the best in the world? He just isnt that, the best in the world; but he sure can win IEM.
The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.
Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?
GOM's fault! EG's fault! Airlines' fault!
I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.
In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.
If it's actually EG's fault then I'll happily point the finger at them. Considering Stephano has a history of forfeiture and money-grubbing, I'm inclined to say it's his fault though. From any standpoint beyond wallet stuffing, it was a terrible thing to do. Now his team gets a free loss, his U/D group has less integrity, and he's shit on the Code S seed that was granted to him. Guess what happens next time an international player or team wants to play in the GSL or PL? The managers are going to remember Stephano. He's hurting more people than himself here.
On March 01 2013 05:56 jmbthirteen wrote: Remember that time grubby decided to skip code a to go play an IPL show match? Like two weeks ago? And no one gave a shit?
grubby isn't known for things like this, and he's a pretty likable person to
On March 01 2013 05:56 jmbthirteen wrote: Remember that time grubby decided to skip code a to go play an IPL show match? Like two weeks ago? And no one gave a shit?
Does Grubby play for EG? And people talk about double standards.
Well, everybody knew Grubby wasn't going to fare too hot in the GSL. So while it was perhaps a disrespectful thing to do, it's not quite as annoying; Stephano's decision to forefeit rather than play and lose will let his fanboys' constant excuses keep flowing. They will still cry in every thread as you are right now that he's "the best foreigner".
Head: It's a smart move, going to where the easy money is. Pro-gaming is a profession, and it makes complete sense. Heart: Wish he could stay. Another white guy pussying out -.-
only posters here can justify running away from tough competition for easy wins. foreign mentality and all - just shows that stephano doesn't have what it takes to succeed in a cutthroat environment where he's actually been pushed. he's got no competitive spirit; just trying to make a quick buck.
Also not considering the heavy penalty EG-TL will get. I really feel sorry for committed players like Jaedong and HerO that have to put up with this bullshit.
On March 01 2013 05:56 jmbthirteen wrote: Remember that time grubby decided to skip code a to go play an IPL show match? Like two weeks ago? And no one gave a shit?
Does Grubby play for EG? And people talk about double standards.
I started caring b/c you were being a dick and blaming GOM and I was trying to point out to EG scheduling him for Proleague later that same day and the UnD being way earlier than usual.
In Grubby's case, that was probably GOM messing up, I'm not sure. But he had no Proleague match to play later that day.
I like how you keep on conveniently forget that fact despite people saying that and didn't even talk about it until just recently.
EDIT: It's not Stephano's fault, I agree. But it pissed me off how you were blaming GOM while knowing nothing.
On March 01 2013 05:56 jmbthirteen wrote: Remember that time grubby decided to skip code a to go play an IPL show match? Like two weeks ago? And no one gave a shit?
Thats wrong. GOM changed their code a schedules (probably better times for Kespa players, but forgot about Grubby?), Grubby was unable to follow them.
That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future.
"Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?"
too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.
Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?
GOM's fault! EG's fault! Airlines' fault!
I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.
In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.
If it's actually EG's fault then I'll happily point the finger at them. Considering Stephano has a history of forfeiture and money-grubbing, I'm inclined to say it's his fault though. From any standpoint beyond wallet stuffing, it was a terrible thing to do. Now his team gets a free loss, his U/D group has less integrity, and he's shit on the Code S seed that was granted to him. Guess what happens next time an international player or team wants to play in the GSL or PL? The managers are going to remember Stephano. He's hurting more people than himself here.
Only on TL could a simple scheduling conflict be taken to this level of drama. There is a section of this community that treats a play forfeiting a GSL match the same way middle school girls each other when they cancel a shopping session.
Anyone who is surprised by this doesn't know the routine that Stephano has gotten into. Oh and the fact he knows he won't be able to make nearly as much MONEY doing GSL as the umpteen foreign tournaments.
On March 01 2013 05:56 jmbthirteen wrote: Remember that time grubby decided to skip code a to go play an IPL show match? Like two weeks ago? And no one gave a shit?
Thats wrong. GOM changed their code a schedules (probably better times for Kespa players, but forgot about Grubby?), Grubby was unable to follow them.
Well they only gave Stephano 5 days notice, its close, but not exactly on point. Still, no one cared that Grubby forfited, because he isn't on EG.
On March 01 2013 05:56 jmbthirteen wrote: Remember that time grubby decided to skip code a to go play an IPL show match? Like two weeks ago? And no one gave a shit?
grubby isn't known for things like this, and he's a pretty likable person to
Grubby is a mediocre player with a mediocre following. He hasn't achieved anything in SC2 and most likely never will. As a result, no one (hyperbolic!) cares whether he plays or not. Just as no one will care if Yonghwa forfeits either GSL or IEM or about the many, many times where Korean players have simply not shown up to foreign tournaments they've been signed up for or invited to.
Stephano is the most popular player in the world. People care about what he does no matter what it is. The topic on reddit about him forfeiting has more comments than the GSL semi-final. Very few actually care about SC2 content at this point, it seems. But everyone has an opinion on how Stephano should act, regardless of their own ignorance of the situation.
The moment Stephano's name is mentioned, there will be people cheering for him, and there will be people celebrating his downfall. It's the pleasure and pain of being SC2's biggest name.
On March 01 2013 06:09 Godwrath wrote: How can EG fuck up big time when GOM is releasing the U&D so late ?
I am a "stephano hater" but the hate here is just out of control and full of nonsense.
They fucked up big time if they submitted him as a player in proleague when he's actually on a plane. That'd be a case of bad communication between evoli and Hwanni.
They didn't fuck up in case of GOM, that's either way unlucky that GOM decided to play Up&Downs in WoL and at this date, but EG either didn't want to spend quite a bit on money on booking a new flight for him or Stephano expressed the wish not to play in GSL anymore.
Stephano actually didn't fuck up like some people here say unless he specifically told EG that he doesn't want to play Up&Downs or that he refuses to fly at a later date and have less time to get rid of jetlag.
On March 01 2013 03:06 nimbim wrote: What's up with foreigners forfeiting their GSL seeds? D: I hope Scarlett doesn't pull that when she goes to Korea.
What's up with it? Well playing GSL as a foreigner is a waste of time.
Not if a foreigner was able to win. The first prize in GSL is very high
On March 01 2013 06:09 Godwrath wrote: How can EG fuck up big time when GOM is releasing the U&D so late ?
I am a "stephano hater" but the hate here is just out of control and full of nonsense.
You missed the point : Proleague.
Sorry the title of the thread (and atleast the first 3 pages) must have confused me about this thread being about U&D matches.
The reason people say EG fucked up is because of Proleague man. They scheduled Stephano to play LATER THAT SAME DAY as his UnD. Hell, notice UnD is scheduled on 11:10 KST which is earlier than usual so Stephano can play Proleague.
Also, Yonghwa has the same problem. He is playing in IEM as well but the days he is playing is only one day apart compared to Stephano's four. I wonder what Yonghwa is going to do?
On March 01 2013 04:35 opterown wrote: [quote] too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.
Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?
GOM's fault! EG's fault! Airlines' fault!
I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.
In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.
If it's actually EG's fault then I'll happily point the finger at them. Considering Stephano has a history of forfeiture and money-grubbing, I'm inclined to say it's his fault though. From any standpoint beyond wallet stuffing, it was a terrible thing to do. Now his team gets a free loss, his U/D group has less integrity, and he's shit on the Code S seed that was granted to him. Guess what happens next time an international player or team wants to play in the GSL or PL? The managers are going to remember Stephano. He's hurting more people than himself here.
Only on TL could a simple scheduling conflict be taken to this level of drama. There is a section of this community that treats a play forfeiting a GSL match the same way middle school girls each other when they cancel a shopping session.
Great to hear that after having all of your reasons refuted you've fallen back on simple smearing.
whatever i have more fun watching him dominate a lot of foreign tournaments then having to stay up super late (east coast USA) only to be sad before going to bed if he loses lol
On March 01 2013 05:56 jmbthirteen wrote: Remember that time grubby decided to skip code a to go play an IPL show match? Like two weeks ago? And no one gave a shit?
Thats wrong. GOM changed their code a schedules (probably better times for Kespa players, but forgot about Grubby?), Grubby was unable to follow them.
Well they only gave Stephano 5 days notice, its close, but not exactly on point. Still, no one cared that Grubby forfited, because he isn't on EG.
Nobody cared about Grubby because (a) he doesn't have a history of forfeiture, (b) he doesn't have legions of deluded fanboys, and (c) he's not screwing over his team in order to get the big bucks.
On March 01 2013 06:09 Godwrath wrote: How can EG fuck up big time when GOM is releasing the U&D so late ?
I am a "stephano hater" but the hate here is just out of control and full of nonsense.
You missed the point : Proleague.
Well thats the coach's problem, not Stephanos. Stephano does not set up the team roster for each match.
Rather assuming that the coach knew this was going to happen, aren't we? No evidence of that. Stephano has a history of quitting when he doesn't feel like playing, this smells more like his odor than EG's.
I wish skipping out on gsl after getting seeding ended with a lifetime ban to stop shit like this from happening every time a foreigner gets an invite.
On March 01 2013 06:14 ineversmile wrote: Coward's way out.
I just don't get these comments.
I can see it from his perspective. He's said before that his motivation for playing still is the money and the applause of the fans (which he's far more likely to get abroad at IEM). He's said that he doesn't enjoy WoL. Originally, he was only going to do this for a year. Clearly, he's just fine with being a big fish in a small pond. Unfortunate, but nothing wrong with that, it's his life.
Gameplay-wise, he's already shown he can hang with the best so I doubt he's very scared of the Koreans. Hell, I'd go as far to say he's the most reliable player on EG-TL in proleague aside from Taeja.
Makes no sense for foreigners to play in GSL. They are not good enough (especially not for code S) and generally get embarrassed, and there are many easier tournaments and opportunities to win money elsewhere. I've given up on foreigner play in korea tbh, the golden days of some even play are over, especially with Kespa in the scene now. We're going to be where BW was pretty soon imo
It was expected, I wasn't even Stephano would play in Code S if he got the spot again, I mean it's his last year (if he doesn't change his mind again) and of course he wants easy money.
On March 01 2013 03:06 nimbim wrote: What's up with foreigners forfeiting their GSL seeds? D: I hope Scarlett doesn't pull that when she goes to Korea.
What's up with it? Well playing GSL as a foreigner is a waste of time.
Not if a foreigner was able to win. The first prize in GSL is very high
Yes and no, only the first place has actually a way bigger prize compared to iem.
GSL :
1st : 45k$ 2nd :18k $ 3rd-4th: 4.5k$
IEM :
1st : 30k$ 2nd :15k $ 3rd-4th: 7.5k$
And GSL is like for two month, block you to attempt to foreigner tournament, while IEM is a ~ 5 day event so realisticly, way more interesting.
On March 01 2013 06:18 lacho_u wrote: ok younghwa is in the same group is as stephano in up/down is he going to IEM too ?
We don't know what'll happen as IM/Yonghwa usually aren't posting everything that goes through their mind on twitter like Stephano does. Personally, I expect him to forfeit one of the events but that'd probably announced through GOM and not on Yonghwa's twitter or something.
AND GUYS, there's no need to blame anyone anymore I solved everything about who we should blame, IT'S OK!
On March 01 2013 05:12 jmbthirteen wrote: [quote] you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.
Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?
GOM's fault! EG's fault! Airlines' fault!
I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.
In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.
If it's actually EG's fault then I'll happily point the finger at them. Considering Stephano has a history of forfeiture and money-grubbing, I'm inclined to say it's his fault though. From any standpoint beyond wallet stuffing, it was a terrible thing to do. Now his team gets a free loss, his U/D group has less integrity, and he's shit on the Code S seed that was granted to him. Guess what happens next time an international player or team wants to play in the GSL or PL? The managers are going to remember Stephano. He's hurting more people than himself here.
Only on TL could a simple scheduling conflict be taken to this level of drama. There is a section of this community that treats a play forfeiting a GSL match the same way middle school girls each other when they cancel a shopping session.
Great to hear that after having all of your reasons refuted you've fallen back on simple smearing.
It is a pretty stupid issue. Do you really think GOM is so irrational to bar Stephano from playing or hate all other non-korean players cause of this? That he had another event and he didn’t cancel when they gave him less than 5 days notice of his match. Do you really think that this tiny little thing is going to create a massive rift between GOM and the western teams? Is that what is going to happen because of this? Because it has happened before and there were no issues.
The community loves drama. And when there is no drama, they will make their own, regardless of logic, history or rational thinking.
I don't know why most people are blaming Stephano on this one. He was already scheduled to play in IEM and it looks like he would prefer to play at IEM instead of U&D. GOM was the one that just released their schedule a week before the matches start.
Does anyone know if Stephano is staying in Code A?
They should really add some punishment at GSL, there are way to many times foreigners got an spot which many koreans fight for ,and then just drops out due to different reasons.
Add some punishment so that they just dont accept a spot without thinking it through
On March 01 2013 05:15 opterown wrote: [quote] considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.
Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?
GOM's fault! EG's fault! Airlines' fault!
I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.
In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.
If it's actually EG's fault then I'll happily point the finger at them. Considering Stephano has a history of forfeiture and money-grubbing, I'm inclined to say it's his fault though. From any standpoint beyond wallet stuffing, it was a terrible thing to do. Now his team gets a free loss, his U/D group has less integrity, and he's shit on the Code S seed that was granted to him. Guess what happens next time an international player or team wants to play in the GSL or PL? The managers are going to remember Stephano. He's hurting more people than himself here.
Only on TL could a simple scheduling conflict be taken to this level of drama. There is a section of this community that treats a play forfeiting a GSL match the same way middle school girls each other when they cancel a shopping session.
Great to hear that after having all of your reasons refuted you've fallen back on simple smearing.
It is a pretty stupid issue. Do you really think GOM is so irrational to bar Stephano from playing or hate all other non-korean players cause of this? That he had another event and he didn’t cancel when they gave him less than 5 days notice of his match. Do you really think that this tiny little thing is going to create a massive rift between GOM and the western teams? Is that what is going to happen because of this? Because it has happened before and there were no issues.
The community loves drama. And when there is no drama, they will make their own, regardless of logic, history or rational thinking.
It was only announced within five days of the match, but the coaches know about them beforehand. But let's ignore "logic, history or rational thinking" to defend the player that has several times in the past forfeited because he felt like it.
On March 01 2013 06:20 Glurkenspurk wrote: I wish skipping out on gsl after getting seeding ended with a lifetime ban to stop shit like this from happening every time a foreigner gets an invite.
itd be sad for Rain wouldnt it be? i mean he just fought Flash for a spot in code S, do we cancel everything hes done and ban him? Oh wait, from what you said...the ban is only if they are foreigners right? think, think hard, then talk.
How is this "less than five days notice" as many people are saying? Even if the exact schedules weren't released until yesterday, people have known when the Up/Down matches will be for a while (they're always at the same time, right after Code A...) and GOM gave him the most advantageous spot, the first group, three whole days before his IEM groups begin. So Stephano and EG have known, or should have known, about this for a while, and they probably could have booked an later flight and done both if they wanted to.
Aww. And GOM made the perfect 5-man / 3-protoss / 0-zergs group just for him. But since I'll get to see more of his games at IEM then I would at GSL I'm fine with it.
This is a new low for players forfeiting GSL spots.
Basically, the highest profile foreign player is trading a whole lot of respect to likely bomb out of IEM (full of top players) and collect ~ $1400. Really?
That sounds like a terrible plan and a waste of money. And PL is a team league, so some other memeber of the team can fill in.
has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.
Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?
GOM's fault! EG's fault! Airlines' fault!
I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.
In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.
If it's actually EG's fault then I'll happily point the finger at them. Considering Stephano has a history of forfeiture and money-grubbing, I'm inclined to say it's his fault though. From any standpoint beyond wallet stuffing, it was a terrible thing to do. Now his team gets a free loss, his U/D group has less integrity, and he's shit on the Code S seed that was granted to him. Guess what happens next time an international player or team wants to play in the GSL or PL? The managers are going to remember Stephano. He's hurting more people than himself here.
Only on TL could a simple scheduling conflict be taken to this level of drama. There is a section of this community that treats a play forfeiting a GSL match the same way middle school girls each other when they cancel a shopping session.
Great to hear that after having all of your reasons refuted you've fallen back on simple smearing.
It is a pretty stupid issue. Do you really think GOM is so irrational to bar Stephano from playing or hate all other non-korean players cause of this? That he had another event and he didn’t cancel when they gave him less than 5 days notice of his match. Do you really think that this tiny little thing is going to create a massive rift between GOM and the western teams? Is that what is going to happen because of this? Because it has happened before and there were no issues.
The community loves drama. And when there is no drama, they will make their own, regardless of logic, history or rational thinking.
It was only announced within five days of the match, but the coaches know about them beforehand. But let's ignore "logic, history or rational thinking" to defend the player that has several times in the past forfeited because he felt like it.
First off, there is no reason to believe that anyone knew the dates of the U&D matches any time before this. Also, its pretty clear you don’t like Stephano, which is fine. But don’t act like he did something morally incorrect by forfeiting a qualifying match to play an a World Championship he qualified for a long time ago and was announced months ago. He is a member of a team and played for him to go to that event and that event will provide more exposure for their sponsors. Money or not, the U&D matches are just less important than IEM.
who cares. gsl is a dieing tournament. i havnt tuned in since they started charging extra just to watch matches on your mobile phone. its a fricking scam, and with hots about to roll out, kespa/international tournaments are gonna be where the real action is.
On March 01 2013 05:31 opterown wrote: [quote] has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.
Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?
GOM's fault! EG's fault! Airlines' fault!
I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.
In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.
If it's actually EG's fault then I'll happily point the finger at them. Considering Stephano has a history of forfeiture and money-grubbing, I'm inclined to say it's his fault though. From any standpoint beyond wallet stuffing, it was a terrible thing to do. Now his team gets a free loss, his U/D group has less integrity, and he's shit on the Code S seed that was granted to him. Guess what happens next time an international player or team wants to play in the GSL or PL? The managers are going to remember Stephano. He's hurting more people than himself here.
Only on TL could a simple scheduling conflict be taken to this level of drama. There is a section of this community that treats a play forfeiting a GSL match the same way middle school girls each other when they cancel a shopping session.
Great to hear that after having all of your reasons refuted you've fallen back on simple smearing.
It is a pretty stupid issue. Do you really think GOM is so irrational to bar Stephano from playing or hate all other non-korean players cause of this? That he had another event and he didn’t cancel when they gave him less than 5 days notice of his match. Do you really think that this tiny little thing is going to create a massive rift between GOM and the western teams? Is that what is going to happen because of this? Because it has happened before and there were no issues.
The community loves drama. And when there is no drama, they will make their own, regardless of logic, history or rational thinking.
It was only announced within five days of the match, but the coaches know about them beforehand. But let's ignore "logic, history or rational thinking" to defend the player that has several times in the past forfeited because he felt like it.
First off, there is no reason to believe that anyone knew the dates of the U&D matches any time before this. Also, its pretty clear you don’t like Stephano, which is fine. But don’t act like he did something morally incorrect by forfeiting a qualifying match to play an a World Championship he qualified for a long time ago and was announced months ago. He is a member of a team and played for him to go to that event and that event will provide more exposure for their sponsors. Money or not, the U&D matches are just less important than IEM.
There is reason, because that's how it's always been for GSL matches. And yes, he did do something morally incorrect by fucking his PL team over for the big bucks.
On March 01 2013 06:35 stratmatt wrote: who cares. gsl is a dieing tournament. i havnt tuned in since they started charging extra just to watch matches on your mobile phone. its a fricking scam, and with hots about to roll out, kespa/international tournaments are gonna be where the real action is.
It's dying because you don't watch it and they charge for phone use? You don't say...
On March 01 2013 06:32 KissMeRed wrote: This is a new low for players forfeiting GSL spots.
Basically, the highest profile foreign player is trading a whole lot of respect to likely bomb out of IEM (full of top players) and collect ~ $1400. Really?
If he played U&D and made it back to code S, I wouldnt give him anymore respect than I already do. If he wins IEM, Ill respect him that much more.
By your logic, he's doing the most respectable thing possible here. Directly fighting for another championship title.
On March 01 2013 06:35 stratmatt wrote: gsl is a dieing tournament.
thanks, i needed a good laugh tonight.
sad that stephano won't be playing, but at least this increases MKP's chances of advancing. he only has to practice TvP, and in a four player group the statistical chance to improve increases to 25%.
i feel like the people in the 6 player groups might be a little pissed off about this though.
On March 01 2013 06:32 KissMeRed wrote: This is a new low for players forfeiting GSL spots.
Basically, the highest profile foreign player is trading a whole lot of respect to likely bomb out of IEM (full of top players) and collect ~ $1400. Really?
Yeah man, screw Rain too! Bastard forfeited his code S seed to go to MLG! Who does he think he is?! Mr.Fancy Pants OSL champ myahhhh!
<_>
Also, do we really have an accurate gauge on Stephano in HotS? I'm actually curious since I haven't followed his stream much. I know if IEM was still WoL Stephano would've stood a great chance top players or not.
On March 01 2013 03:17 SoFrOsTy wrote: He is bad. I used to really like him as a player but I think he jut isn't that good anymore. I get the feeling he plays less now than he did when he was on Mill. Seems like he isn't having fun anymore.
He chooses a much easier tournament with a much greater chance of making money over the top competition in the world........and now he is a bad player? He was in arguably the hardest round of 32 group and went 1 game away from advancing. Name me one other non-korean that would make it out of that group........ Exactly.
Who the fuck cares that he's non-Korean. I'm not giving anybody a pat on the head for their failures just because they happen to not be white; I mean, if anybody on a ESF/KEPSA team did half the shit that Stephano's done, they would be anathema. And you know what? Nobody would care. He's not a quirky genius that wins OSLs. Flash he is not. Held up to the same standards as Koreans, he's not that great, and his antics are really getting annoying. (But not quite as annoying as the constant excuses from his fanboys.)
These double standards are stupid.
Hes not that great? What the fuck are you smoking! He has demonstrated again and again that he is the best non-korean in sc2! Andbeing the best non korean is not bad. Take the most recent korea vs. world: Stephano beat Life,MC, Seed, and DRG! Explain to me how that is "not that great". Also, you don't know the full situation on his decision (team influence ect) so don't go all freak out about how you are "tired of his antics". Another thing, i can only assume from your quote (Mionix_Naniwa, King in the North!) that you are a Naniwa fan. Did you freak out this much when Naniwa probe rushed in the GSL because he was mad? If you didnt, then dont talk to me about a fucking double standard!
Stephano is good but he does not research the people he is playing that much that is his downfall in GSL, Its not MLG or IEM you have to prepare for the games and research the people he is playing.
On March 01 2013 05:31 opterown wrote: [quote] has never happened before and i don't see kespa accomodating.
Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?
GOM's fault! EG's fault! Airlines' fault!
I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.
In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.
If it's actually EG's fault then I'll happily point the finger at them. Considering Stephano has a history of forfeiture and money-grubbing, I'm inclined to say it's his fault though. From any standpoint beyond wallet stuffing, it was a terrible thing to do. Now his team gets a free loss, his U/D group has less integrity, and he's shit on the Code S seed that was granted to him. Guess what happens next time an international player or team wants to play in the GSL or PL? The managers are going to remember Stephano. He's hurting more people than himself here.
Only on TL could a simple scheduling conflict be taken to this level of drama. There is a section of this community that treats a play forfeiting a GSL match the same way middle school girls each other when they cancel a shopping session.
Great to hear that after having all of your reasons refuted you've fallen back on simple smearing.
It is a pretty stupid issue. Do you really think GOM is so irrational to bar Stephano from playing or hate all other non-korean players cause of this? That he had another event and he didn’t cancel when they gave him less than 5 days notice of his match. Do you really think that this tiny little thing is going to create a massive rift between GOM and the western teams? Is that what is going to happen because of this? Because it has happened before and there were no issues.
The community loves drama. And when there is no drama, they will make their own, regardless of logic, history or rational thinking.
It was only announced within five days of the match, but the coaches know about them beforehand. But let's ignore "logic, history or rational thinking" to defend the player that has several times in the past forfeited because he felt like it.
First off, there is no reason to believe that anyone knew the dates of the U&D matches any time before this. Also, its pretty clear you don’t like Stephano, which is fine. But don’t act like he did something morally incorrect by forfeiting a qualifying match to play an a World Championship he qualified for a long time ago and was announced months ago. He is a member of a team and played for him to go to that event and that event will provide more exposure for their sponsors. Money or not, the U&D matches are just less important than IEM.
Everyone has known the dates of the U/D matches for a long time - even if they weren't announced exactly, they always come right after Code A, and it was announced at least a week ago that they'd be before the release of HoTS. And the main issue I have is that he could easily go to both because there's over 2 whole days between U/D and when his IEM matches start.
Well then its the coaches fault for not being aware of the Stephano's upcoming events. Who is the coach of EGTL again? Didn't they team up with some ex-Kespa coach, who should know better than to set his players up for a match when they are not going to be in Korea?
GOM's fault! EG's fault! Airlines' fault!
I wonder when you're going to blame the person that decided to forfeit.
In most sports professional players don’t control their schedule or decide where they get to play. They work for the team and the team makes decisions on what the best use of their time would be. There is NO reason for EG to play in an U&D match over the IEM world championship. IEM will have more viewers, more exposure to a larger market and better coverage. It’s a no brainer from a business standpoint, which is what drives all these events and teams.
If it's actually EG's fault then I'll happily point the finger at them. Considering Stephano has a history of forfeiture and money-grubbing, I'm inclined to say it's his fault though. From any standpoint beyond wallet stuffing, it was a terrible thing to do. Now his team gets a free loss, his U/D group has less integrity, and he's shit on the Code S seed that was granted to him. Guess what happens next time an international player or team wants to play in the GSL or PL? The managers are going to remember Stephano. He's hurting more people than himself here.
Only on TL could a simple scheduling conflict be taken to this level of drama. There is a section of this community that treats a play forfeiting a GSL match the same way middle school girls each other when they cancel a shopping session.
Great to hear that after having all of your reasons refuted you've fallen back on simple smearing.
It is a pretty stupid issue. Do you really think GOM is so irrational to bar Stephano from playing or hate all other non-korean players cause of this? That he had another event and he didn’t cancel when they gave him less than 5 days notice of his match. Do you really think that this tiny little thing is going to create a massive rift between GOM and the western teams? Is that what is going to happen because of this? Because it has happened before and there were no issues.
The community loves drama. And when there is no drama, they will make their own, regardless of logic, history or rational thinking.
It was only announced within five days of the match, but the coaches know about them beforehand. But let's ignore "logic, history or rational thinking" to defend the player that has several times in the past forfeited because he felt like it.
First off, there is no reason to believe that anyone knew the dates of the U&D matches any time before this. Also, its pretty clear you don’t like Stephano, which is fine. But don’t act like he did something morally incorrect by forfeiting a qualifying match to play an a World Championship he qualified for a long time ago and was announced months ago. He is a member of a team and played for him to go to that event and that event will provide more exposure for their sponsors. Money or not, the U&D matches are just less important than IEM.
There is reason, because that's how it's always been for GSL matches. And yes, he did do something morally incorrect by fucking his PL team over for the big bucks.
Stephano doesn’t control the team line up for PL for specific days. That is the coaches job, not his. If anything, it is the coaches fault for not knowing that Stephano was going to the IEM World Championship, that he qualifed for months ago.
On March 01 2013 03:29 -IeZaeL- wrote: lol... people flaming Stephano for this....hahahaha nice ignorants .
IEM : More money + 3 days GSL: Less money + harder + a couple of months
Pick one
People want players to go after the glory, not the money. But perhaps they don't actually when I think about it, since everyone hate Naniwa and everyone love Stephano.
I certainly want to see them go for the glory. Win all the foreign tournaments you want, but it's that 1 GSL title that will make a foreigner into an instant legend like Grrrr, where we still talk about them 10+ years after their accomplishment.
You don't get. It's GOM that has been disrespectful not Stephano. They GAVE hime a free spot. Implying he had not the skills to take it if he wanted to.
He felt rightfully insulted and left. So obvious :p
More seriously : 100.000$ on the line at IEM. That's a pretty easy choice...
On March 01 2013 06:32 KissMeRed wrote: This is a new low for players forfeiting GSL spots.
Basically, the highest profile foreign player is trading a whole lot of respect to likely bomb out of IEM (full of top players) and collect ~ $1400. Really?
If he played U&D and made it back to code S, I wouldnt give him anymore respect than I already do. If he wins IEM, Ill respect him that much more.
By your logic, he's doing the most respectable thing possible here. Directly fighting for another championship title.
By my logic, he loses respect because working hard in Korea to qualify for and attempt to win the top SC2 tournament is more important than winning IEM.
My logic is my values. Your logic is your values. Don't mix them together.
Based on the other comments in this thread, do people not place as much value on competing in GSL anymore? Has the scene become that diluted?
On March 01 2013 06:32 KissMeRed wrote: This is a new low for players forfeiting GSL spots.
Basically, the highest profile foreign player is trading a whole lot of respect to likely bomb out of IEM (full of top players) and collect ~ $1400. Really?
If he played U&D and made it back to code S, I wouldnt give him anymore respect than I already do. If he wins IEM, Ill respect him that much more.
By your logic, he's doing the most respectable thing possible here. Directly fighting for another championship title.
By my logic, he loses respect because working hard in Korea to qualify for and attempt to win the top SC2 tournament is more important than winning IEM.
My logic is my values. Your logic is your values. Don't mix them together.
Based on the other comments in this thread, do people not place as much value on competing in GSL anymore? Has the scene become that diluted?
GSL is still the biggest and most prestigious tournament out there, it's just that for some players it isn't the top priority.
Some foreign fans feel the same, too because they value the tournaments higher where they can see them, but I don't feel like GSL has lost it's appeal to the general public. Only the scene has gotten more busy and more tournaments have sprung up so schedule conflicts happen more often (regardless if it was avoidable in this case or not).
Good thing they don't give seeds to foreigners anymore, it's a shame how people like Stephano don't appreciate them while thousands of people would kill to get a seed.
On March 01 2013 06:32 KissMeRed wrote: This is a new low for players forfeiting GSL spots.
Basically, the highest profile foreign player is trading a whole lot of respect to likely bomb out of IEM (full of top players) and collect ~ $1400. Really?
If he played U&D and made it back to code S, I wouldnt give him anymore respect than I already do. If he wins IEM, Ill respect him that much more.
By your logic, he's doing the most respectable thing possible here. Directly fighting for another championship title.
By my logic, he loses respect because working hard in Korea to qualify for and attempt to win the top SC2 tournament is more important than winning IEM.
My logic is my values. Your logic is your values. Don't mix them together.
Based on the other comments in this thread, do people not place as much value on competing in GSL anymore? Has the scene become that diluted?
Does Stephano make this decision or is it an EG decision? The former would be understandable if Stephano thinks he has a higher chance of making money (as well as not having to practice WoL for the up and downs) at IEM. I don't know about the latter though.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Meeting them in real life?
WOW WHAT A WEAK HANDSHAKE! Immediately lost all respect.
ORDERED A LIGHT BEER!!! All respect lost. Disappointed and disgusted.
WOAH DUDE, SHOUTING BACK AT ME! What are you, a barbarian?!?!
QUIT YOUR JOB AT A SCRAPPY NONPROFIT FOR A HIGHER PAYING JOB BECAUSE IT PROVIDES HEALTHCARE!!!! Disgusted and revolted by your loss of passion and clearly in it for the money.
On March 01 2013 02:59 Dotq wrote: Fucking retarded by stephano.
They give him the best possible bracket, and hes not playing before thursday at IEM....
He knew about IEM weeks upfront, and yet cant inform GSL before brackets are out...
Just dont give foreigners special treatment in GSL anymore, im fucking tured of the forfeits.
Yeah I agree its really disappointing but not a bad move for himself.
Tbh i would not be surprised if he had planned his flight on purpose ignoring the u&d because he simply didnt want to play the u&d for a couple of reasons :
--> Thats on WoL and he has fully switched... GSL making WoL qualifications for an HotS tournament, kinda silly. --> He doesnt want to play the GSL because it keeps you in korea week after week (what if he qualified ? the code S could overlap with MLG IPL Dreamhack etc.), these are prepared matches and hes not good at those. ---> He keeps a bitter memory of the days when he kept on flying around from tourneys to tourneys, getting tired and ending up winning nothing except the Lone Star Clash. He wants to be fully prepared for the IEM.
So retarded move or brilliant move ? will depend on his IEM performances.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
Stephano always forfeits when he knows he is going to lose. He even forfeited from the first Iron Squid a French tournament because he knew he wouldn't be able to beat MMA.
Looking at this from his point of view, progamers have a limited time frame when they produce top results. He is just trying to make the most of the time he has. He hasn't been performing well in GSL anyway. I don't blame him. On the bright side, some hard working player will get an opportunity to move up and take his spot.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
On March 01 2013 06:32 KissMeRed wrote: This is a new low for players forfeiting GSL spots.
Basically, the highest profile foreign player is trading a whole lot of respect to likely bomb out of IEM (full of top players) and collect ~ $1400. Really?
If he played U&D and made it back to code S, I wouldnt give him anymore respect than I already do. If he wins IEM, Ill respect him that much more.
By your logic, he's doing the most respectable thing possible here. Directly fighting for another championship title.
By my logic, he loses respect because working hard in Korea to qualify for and attempt to win the top SC2 tournament is more important than winning IEM.
My logic is my values. Your logic is your values. Don't mix them together.
Based on the other comments in this thread, do people not place as much value on competing in GSL anymore? Has the scene become that diluted?
Does Stephano make this decision or is it an EG decision? The former would be understandable if Stephano thinks he has a higher chance of making money (as well as not having to practice WoL for the up and downs) at IEM. I don't know about the latter though.
Either way, Stephano is doing the right thing. But some simple-minded ppl wont understand that
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
The Korean B-teamers that have never made a dime but still put more hours in than they would have to work at a minimum wage job are in it for the money? Plenty of Koreans choose GSL over foreign tournaments even though the foreign tournaments would be easier money. Tons of great players still went to MLGs when they only had a 5k 1st place prize. Funnily enough Stephano is one of the players who dodged MLGs back then.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
The only reason why the Korean scene is relevant at all is because it was the place where money was at. And when there is money in entertainment you get competition.
You couldn't make much playing from the "west" in BW days so the place to be was Korea, obviously. But now things are different. There is a LOT of money to be made everywhere and western tournies are more abundant, pay more and are, for the moment, easier. No wonder a lot of Koreans are attending foreign tournies.
It is a business decision by Stephano and it makes perfect sense. There would be NO scene if it wasn't about the money. E-cred doesn't do shit to anyone.
Why is it a surprise to anyone that Stephano is only playing for the money? He's made that clear on innumerable occasions.
He doesn't like Starcraft 2, he's sticking around for the dollahs, he's gonna retire this year and go to school like a boss. This should not be news to anybody.
So that's how the show ends. Too bad, it was pretty entertaining to see so many fanboy tears. Atleast LR threads will now be alot more enjoyable overall without all the fanboys.
Well this falls in line with his goals to make easy money from foreign tournaments, so I don`t think anyone is actually surprised. He was always about the money and isn`t afraid to admit it.
so frustrating for korean players, all the time the worse foreigner get free seeds without qualifying and then they surrender that possible spot for a good korean up and comer... foreigner should try to achieve something in gsl like jinro huk nani and idra did some time ago. and not play in boring foreign tournaments. but thats just my opinion wp foreigner
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
It's like saying everyone that has a job only does it for the money. Some might be progamers for the eventual chance of getting some big cash but honestly what are the chances? I'm sure most of them would make a bunch more if they would just finish school and get a regular job. They are progamers because they love the game and want to have their name remembered.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
Well, I didn't think it would be turned into a CJ, lol. I dunno man, there is something about this site that just makes me laugh often. I think people are just really passionate about it, which is cool. But from my PoV I can't take it as seriously and whatnot, so it comes off really weird when I see comments like that. I just can't imagine people talking like that in real life. LIke, I've been to MLGs with my friend and I like to start conversations with random people to see if I meet anyone that "passionate" and get them talking about it the way that people type, it's pretty fun and all, but I haven't run into someone like that yet.
IMO, this is why GSL should stop giving seeds to foreigners. Its just that simple. If they want to play with the big boys, prove your interested long term and qualify through the qualifiers. Too bad GOM keeps giving away seeds to disinterested players who just back out. Make the foreigners earn it GOM.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
The Korean B-teamers that have never made a dime but still put more hours in than they would have to work at a minimum wage job are in it for the money? Plenty of Koreans choose GSL over foreign tournaments even though the foreign tournaments would be easier money. Tons of great players still went to MLGs when they only had a 5k 1st place prize. Funnily enough Stephano is one of the players who dodged MLGs back then.
Wait, so Korean B teamers are making less than minimum wage in the HOPES of making more money later on is good? That system sucks and takes advantage of younger players hoping to rise through the ranks. As a community, we should not be endorsing players not getting paid as some sort of proof of “passion”. Its really the team being unwilling to pay the player a livable wage, which would be 100% illegal in a number of countries considering how young some of these players are.
And how little you remember from the $5000 days of MLG. Do you remember how MGL had a deal worked out with GSL to pay to have their players over to their events, covering flights? And Stephano didn’t dodge MLG, he was in Europe and a lot of European players did not and still don’t attend MLG because flights cost a lot.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
It's like saying everyone that has a job only does it for the money. Some might be progamers for the eventual chance of getting some big cash but honestly what are the chances? I'm sure most of them would make a bunch more if they would just finish school and get a regular job. They are progamers because they love the game and want to have their name remembered.
Few people I know work for free. People go to jobs to make a living. Some people enjoy parts of their jobs, like I do. But I wouldn't show up if they didn't pay me. Progamers put in a lot of effort and work very hard. People who fool themselves saying that the players would do all of this without pay are just naive. If people couldn't make a living at it, there would be no BW or SC2 leagues, end of story.
Reading some posts I feel like some people think that when Gom invites you and you requalify you can t forfeit for another tournament... ?
Actually i think he has a really good reason to arrive in CeBit earlier : he wants to pratice during 3 days because his opponents will and the ß(nice IEM) will be down except on the IEMs computer.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
It's like saying everyone that has a job only does it for the money. Some might be progamers for the eventual chance of getting some big cash but honestly what are the chances? I'm sure most of them would make a bunch more if they would just finish school and get a regular job. They are progamers because they love the game and want to have their name remembered.
Few people I know work for free. People go to jobs to make a living. Some people enjoy parts of their jobs, like I do. But I wouldn't show up if they didn't pay me. Progamers put in a lot of effort and work very hard. People who fool themselves saying that the players would do all of this without pay are just naive. If people couldn't make a living at it, there would be no BW or SC2 leagues, end of story.
All I was sayign is that I am sure they would make more money doign somethign else. That's not what's keeping them on their pc chairs playing 12 hours a day.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
It's like saying everyone that has a job only does it for the money. Some might be progamers for the eventual chance of getting some big cash but honestly what are the chances? I'm sure most of them would make a bunch more if they would just finish school and get a regular job. They are progamers because they love the game and want to have their name remembered.
Few people I know work for free. People go to jobs to make a living. Some people enjoy parts of their jobs, like I do. But I wouldn't show up if they didn't pay me. Progamers put in a lot of effort and work very hard. People who fool themselves saying that the players would do all of this without pay are just naive. If people couldn't make a living at it, there would be no BW or SC2 leagues, end of story.
Could people make full time jobs out of it if they weren't getting paid? no. But there are thousands and thousands of people who dedicate whatever time they have to becoming the best at the games they play without getting paid a cent. The money lets them follow the passion that is already there.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
It's like saying everyone that has a job only does it for the money. Some might be progamers for the eventual chance of getting some big cash but honestly what are the chances? I'm sure most of them would make a bunch more if they would just finish school and get a regular job. They are progamers because they love the game and want to have their name remembered.
Few people I know work for free. People go to jobs to make a living. Some people enjoy parts of their jobs, like I do. But I wouldn't show up if they didn't pay me. Progamers put in a lot of effort and work very hard. People who fool themselves saying that the players would do all of this without pay are just naive. If people couldn't make a living at it, there would be no BW or SC2 leagues, end of story.
All I was sayign is that I am sure they would make more money doign somethign else. That's not what's keeping them on their pc chairs playing 12 hours a day.
If it is.. sucks for them.
I am sure they all enjoy playing, though the stress might not be as much fun. But if given a choice between a qualifying match for a Korean tournament or a chance at winning the IEM World Championship, the answer should be a no-fucking-brainer. It is better for him as a whole, regardless of prize money.
So what all of you are saying is you're disappointed in Stephano for clearly having a plane ticket for a specific time to go to IEM before the Up & Downs were announced instead of GOMTV for having a terrible ability to schedule the Up & Down Matches so all of the players in them can participate... Cool.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
It's like saying everyone that has a job only does it for the money. Some might be progamers for the eventual chance of getting some big cash but honestly what are the chances? I'm sure most of them would make a bunch more if they would just finish school and get a regular job. They are progamers because they love the game and want to have their name remembered.
Few people I know work for free. People go to jobs to make a living. Some people enjoy parts of their jobs, like I do. But I wouldn't show up if they didn't pay me. Progamers put in a lot of effort and work very hard. People who fool themselves saying that the players would do all of this without pay are just naive. If people couldn't make a living at it, there would be no BW or SC2 leagues, end of story.
All I was sayign is that I am sure they would make more money doign somethign else. That's not what's keeping them on their pc chairs playing 12 hours a day.
If it is.. sucks for them.
I am sure they all enjoy playing, though the stress might not be as much fun. But if given a choice between a qualifying match for a Korean tournament or a chance at winning the IEM World Championship, the answer should be a no-fucking-brainer. It is better for him as a whole, regardless of prize money.
I'm not going to go 100% with you. GSL brings like 6(?) tournaments a year. Weakening your position for playing in GSL code S for 6 tournaments (potentially) is actually a bad idea. I do understand his reasoning however. Go win IEM, then dominate Code A, Get back into Code S, still have 5 tournaments left. I cannot fault him for it, but I don't think his choice is a no brainer.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
It's like saying everyone that has a job only does it for the money. Some might be progamers for the eventual chance of getting some big cash but honestly what are the chances? I'm sure most of them would make a bunch more if they would just finish school and get a regular job. They are progamers because they love the game and want to have their name remembered.
Few people I know work for free. People go to jobs to make a living. Some people enjoy parts of their jobs, like I do. But I wouldn't show up if they didn't pay me. Progamers put in a lot of effort and work very hard. People who fool themselves saying that the players would do all of this without pay are just naive. If people couldn't make a living at it, there would be no BW or SC2 leagues, end of story.
Could people make full time jobs out of it if they weren't getting paid? no. But there are thousands and thousands of people who dedicate whatever time they have to becoming the best at the games they play without getting paid a cent. The money lets them follow the passion that is already there.
You can’t have both. Either it is an amateur league of people following their part time passion, or it is fully professional where people make a living doing it. For a very long time, many professional athletes were not allowed into the Olympics, because people believed it was unfair. And when it is professional, money matters and it changes the way people think about the game.
And to be frank, I think it means a lot more to Stephano to crush everyone in Europe at SC2 and win IEM than to qualify for the Code S. If it was a choice between GSL or Dreamhack, I think he would choose Dreamhack.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
The Korean B-teamers that have never made a dime but still put more hours in than they would have to work at a minimum wage job are in it for the money? Plenty of Koreans choose GSL over foreign tournaments even though the foreign tournaments would be easier money. Tons of great players still went to MLGs when they only had a 5k 1st place prize. Funnily enough Stephano is one of the players who dodged MLGs back then.
Aw man yeah I rmb when MVP dropped out of Code S, then won a tourney overseas, then came back to seed into code S....what a prick right? he should have stayed in Korea and worked his way up. Or that time when leenock wrecked MLG from the open pools, it was so disrespectful. Wait no, I rmb everyone loved him when he crushed his way through. He then came back and went runner up in GSL.
Kid, it's beautiful and fun to compete in MLG/IEM/IPL/NASL---> and WIN. Get over it, GSL isnt the only existing tournament.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
The Korean B-teamers that have never made a dime but still put more hours in than they would have to work at a minimum wage job are in it for the money? Plenty of Koreans choose GSL over foreign tournaments even though the foreign tournaments would be easier money. Tons of great players still went to MLGs when they only had a 5k 1st place prize. Funnily enough Stephano is one of the players who dodged MLGs back then.
Aw man yeah I rmb when MVP dropped out of Code S, then won a tourney overseas, then came back to seed into code S....what a prick right? he should have stayed in Korea and worked his way up. Or that time when leenock wrecked MLG from the open pools, it was so disrespectful. Wait no, I rmb everyone loved him when he crushed his way through. He then came back and went runner up in GSL.
Kid, it's beautiful and fun to compete in MLG/IEM/IPL/NASL---. and WIN. Get over it, GSL isnt the only existing tournament.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
The Korean B-teamers that have never made a dime but still put more hours in than they would have to work at a minimum wage job are in it for the money? Plenty of Koreans choose GSL over foreign tournaments even though the foreign tournaments would be easier money. Tons of great players still went to MLGs when they only had a 5k 1st place prize. Funnily enough Stephano is one of the players who dodged MLGs back then.
Aw man yeah I rmb when MVP dropped out of Code S, then won a tourney overseas, then came back to seed into code S....what a prick right? he should have stayed in Korea and worked his way up. Or that time when leenock wrecked MLG from the open pools, it was so disrespectful. Wait no, I rmb everyone loved him when he crushed his way through. He then came back and went runner up in GSL.
Kid, it's beautiful and fun to compete in MLG/IEM/IPL/NASL---. and WIN. Get over it, GSL isnt the only existing tournament.
You mean MC, not Mvp.
The point still stands. Korean players have done the same thing, but not when they were on EG.
It is not a question about playing for money or not. It is a choice between playing for money on the one hand or getting mauled by guys who 90% of your fans have never heard about on the other.
And all those korean B-teamers who try so hard in korea, I bet you my pants that if they had a team with enough faith in them to win...they'd send them overseas to compete too. And ill bet you my wallet (that comes with my pants) that those players will in turn take it to honor to be sent to compete at IEM's and MLGs.
On March 01 2013 07:39 lrofd wrote: And all those korean B-teamers who try so hard in korea, I bet you my pants that if they had a team with enough faith in them to win...they'd send them overseas to compete too. And ill bet you my wallet (that comes with my pants) that those players will in turn take it to honor to be sent to compete at IEM's and MLGs.
I like these steaks, lol.
Hopefully more money will be brought in somehow so that B-teamers aren't paid the way they're being paid. : (.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
The Korean B-teamers that have never made a dime but still put more hours in than they would have to work at a minimum wage job are in it for the money? Plenty of Koreans choose GSL over foreign tournaments even though the foreign tournaments would be easier money. Tons of great players still went to MLGs when they only had a 5k 1st place prize. Funnily enough Stephano is one of the players who dodged MLGs back then.
Aw man yeah I rmb when MVP dropped out of Code S, then won a tourney overseas, then came back to seed into code S....what a prick right? he should have stayed in Korea and worked his way up. Or that time when leenock wrecked MLG from the open pools, it was so disrespectful. Wait no, I rmb everyone loved him when he crushed his way through. He then came back and went runner up in GSL.
Kid, it's beautiful and fun to compete in MLG/IEM/IPL/NASL---. and WIN. Get over it, GSL isnt the only existing tournament.
You mean MC, not Mvp.
The point still stands. Korean players have done the same thing, but not when they were on EG.
The same what? MC lost to Monster and got knocked out of Code A, it's not like he forfeited, I don't see how that's the same. He just managed to win a spot through the MLG/GSL agreement, dunno how that's relevant at all.
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
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Well, I do feel that it happens a lot. Although, it should be said that Rain did the same thing, choosing a foreign tournament match instead of up/down. It does happen more with foreigners. It's too bad really, it was really fun rooting for Thorzain, Huk, Idra and the other foreigners in the GSL.
Looking at how hard the GSL is to win - or even to stay in Code S, I do understand why they leave the tournament alone though. The commitment is just too big.
To be honest it isn't a silly idea from Stephano, not only scheduling. This way he gets to practice HoTS (once proleague is done) alone, know he is in Code-A which will be in HoTS and have a better shot practicing for IEM. Makes sense to me.
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
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Well, I do feel that it happens a lot. Although, it should be said that Rain did the same thing, choosing a foreign tournament match instead of up/down. It does happen more with foreigners. It's too bad really, it was really fun rooting for Thorzain, Huk, Idra and the other foreigners in the GSL.
Looking at how hard the GSL is to win - or even to stay in Code S, I do understand why they leave the tournament alone though. The commitment is just too big.
Didn't Rain earn his spot though? Stephano was gifted a spot and then doesn't even play all the way through.
On March 01 2013 07:31 Elite_ wrote: So what all of you are saying is you're disappointed in Stephano for clearly having a plane ticket for a specific time to go to IEM before the Up & Downs were announced instead of GOMTV for having a terrible ability to schedule the Up & Down Matches so all of the players in them can participate... Cool.
Why would GSL assume stephano cant play when his team has signed him up for a match in PL later that very day?
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
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I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide.
Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win.
It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil. He's earned over a hundred thousand dollars by doing this. When he eventually retires it'll be with a healthy bank and his education basically paid for.
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
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I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide.
Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win.
It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil.
Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL.
Also, there is money in GSL if you win. It's the highest payout for first place other than the WCS World Champion title.
1. It's the smart thing to do. Stephano has a higher shot at winning IEM than winning GSL (I'd rather he has a better shot winning the lottery than Code S, to be frank). It's a financially sound decision that gives him a better chance for money and his team more exposure. Stephano getting Top 4 at IEM is certainly better for EG than Stephano losing 0:4 in the Up and Downs.
2. It's a slap in the face for all the players who try and try and try to get into Code A and Stephano - or other foreigners for that matter - get preferential treatment on the merit of being foreigners. If they keep dropping out they are defecating on a chance hundreds of Koreans would kill for.
On March 01 2013 07:58 vik7 wrote: ok, this is a little off topic, but flash qualified for code s already so he doesn't need to do up and downs correct?
correct, up and down is to qualify to code s flash already being qualified in code s doesn't need to do up & down
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
Standard.
I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide.
Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win.
It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil.
Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL.
Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete.
On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games.
Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats?
In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it.
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
Standard.
I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide.
Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win.
It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil.
Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL.
Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete.
On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games.
Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats?
In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it.
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
The Korean B-teamers that have never made a dime but still put more hours in than they would have to work at a minimum wage job are in it for the money? Plenty of Koreans choose GSL over foreign tournaments even though the foreign tournaments would be easier money. Tons of great players still went to MLGs when they only had a 5k 1st place prize. Funnily enough Stephano is one of the players who dodged MLGs back then.
Aw man yeah I rmb when MVP dropped out of Code S, then won a tourney overseas, then came back to seed into code S....what a prick right? he should have stayed in Korea and worked his way up. Or that time when leenock wrecked MLG from the open pools, it was so disrespectful. Wait no, I rmb everyone loved him when he crushed his way through. He then came back and went runner up in GSL.
Kid, it's beautiful and fun to compete in MLG/IEM/IPL/NASL---> and WIN. Get over it, GSL isnt the only existing tournament.
What exactly are you trying to say? Your post makes no sense at all. MVP and Leenock have never forfeited a GSL match to play in a foreign tournament.
I think GSL should stop handing out seeds like this. Too often, the person voluntarily leaves. The GSL should be a commitment, and awarded to the most dedicated, passionate players, not just handed to anyone.
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
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I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide.
Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win.
It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil.
Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL.
Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete.
On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games.
Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats?
In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it.
ROFL at the poll, really dude? On topic tho, it was the sensible and more realistic thing to do. He had no chance is GSL, knew his place and gave up the spot for an easier tourney which he can actually do good in. idk why it's so hard for foreign fans to admit that koreans are just much better at the game, reading all the silly excuses and arguments cracks me up ).
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote: Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.
lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.
Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
I will let you in on a secret:
They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
The Korean B-teamers that have never made a dime but still put more hours in than they would have to work at a minimum wage job are in it for the money? Plenty of Koreans choose GSL over foreign tournaments even though the foreign tournaments would be easier money. Tons of great players still went to MLGs when they only had a 5k 1st place prize. Funnily enough Stephano is one of the players who dodged MLGs back then.
Aw man yeah I rmb when MVP dropped out of Code S, then won a tourney overseas, then came back to seed into code S....what a prick right? he should have stayed in Korea and worked his way up. Or that time when leenock wrecked MLG from the open pools, it was so disrespectful. Wait no, I rmb everyone loved him when he crushed his way through. He then came back and went runner up in GSL.
Kid, it's beautiful and fun to compete in MLG/IEM/IPL/NASL---> and WIN. Get over it, GSL isnt the only existing tournament.
What exactly are you trying to say? Your post makes no sense at all. MVP and Leenock have never forfeited a GSL match to play in a foreign tournament.
Also Mvp never got any seeds in GSL, because you know, he is actualy a hard working, skilled guy, that does not need wellfare seeds.
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
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I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide.
Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win.
It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil.
Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL.
Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete.
On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games.
Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats?
In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it.
i think the difference comes from players making a living through salary vs tournament winnings, like team sports vs golf. i'm 100% sure kespa players dont rely on winning tournaments to make a living, meanwhile i think majority of esf players/teams do. i think it has little to do with "huge commitment" (professionals of all sports deal with this). realistically, non-korean tournaments are easier money for competitors.
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
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I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide.
Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win.
It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil.
Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL.
Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete.
On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games.
Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats?
In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it.
I can't believe this is even a discussion. This just blows my mind. You sir are the first person I've ever heard say Dreamhack was more prestigious than GSL. I don't even think you can debate it lol
I'm also going to let you in on a little secret, Stephano really close to the level of players you see in Code S every season (MKP, Leenock, DRG, Life, Symbol, even Curious, and Mvp with no wrists). Yes, he can take the occasional game off them because he is good, but he isn't on the same level as them.
First being that I really like watching Stephano play. I'm not going to lie and say that I'm a fan of the man himself, I feel that some of his decisions and actions are questionable but I'll excuse a lot of that to his youth. From a financial standpoint this probably makes a bit more sense, but that doesn't mean that it's not shitty. It's shitty for his fans that want to see him play against the best players, it's shitty for GOM because they'll lose some of the viewers that they would have had if he played, it's shitty for all the people who try so hard to get into GSL. I imagine those people are really pissed right now. It's also really shitty because it means either he doesn't think he can win GSL (And most people do consider him to be the best foreigner, so that's a blow to the foreign community.) or that he's putting a bit of cash (Assuming he doesn't win the other tournament - Which he very well may not.) ahead of an opportunity that so many people would love to have.
Secondly that so many people seem to think it's okay to treat an organization and his fanbase that way because he personally can make a bit more money. Lets be honest, nobody and I mean NOBODY gets into eSports for the money. At least on the player side of things. :/
And Thirdly because somehow a few pages back Grubby's name got dragged through the mud and he got called a mediocre player. Grubby is easily one of the best foreign players and I have no doubt that he could be the best, and go toe to toe with the top Korean players if he truly wanted that. The difference between Grubby and other pro players? Grubby plays for fun. He doesn't play in a fantastic team environment, he goofs around when he plays, and he still plays some fantastic games against top players. If his first GSL appearance was lackluster, so what? It's that way for most people, and I say the same thing for Stephano... If his first GSL appearance was meh, it doesn't matter, if future appearances are "Mehhhhh" then it'll matter. The first one though, who cares? When you spit on an organization that has bent over backwards for you though, it's very disrespectful and unprofessional.
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
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I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide.
Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win.
It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil.
Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL.
Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete.
On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games.
Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats?
In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it.
Tournament prestige is determined by the fans, their opinions is what makes a tournament prestigious. If everyone believed Dreamhack was the more prestigious tournament then it would be true, if no one cared about GSL then it wouldn't be the most prestigious tournament, pretty simple.
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
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I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide.
Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win.
It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil.
Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL.
Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete.
On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games.
Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats?
In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it.
Well that's sort of the definition of prestige isnt it. Besides, dreamhack, it's a poor example. Great tournament, no doubt, but if you want to look at the money and global competition - it's WCS. If you want to look at fast paced events that allow anyone to join - MLG takes the cake.
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
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I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide.
Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win.
It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil.
Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL.
Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete.
On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games.
Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats?
In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it.
Well that's sort of the definition of prestige isnt it. Besides, dreamhack, it's a poor example. Great tournament, no doubt, but if you want to look at the money and global competition - it's WCS. If you want to look at fast paced events that allow anyone to join - MLG takes the cake.
Yea I would put MLG and IPL way ahead of dreamhack. GSL>OSL>MLG>IPL>DH imo
I bet the two trolls on that poll think theyre funny though
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
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I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide.
Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win.
It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil.
Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL.
Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete.
On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games.
Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats?
In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it.
Well that's sort of the definition of prestige isnt it. Besides, dreamhack, it's a poor example. Great tournament, no doubt, but if you want to look at the money and global competition - it's WCS. If you want to look at fast paced events that allow anyone to join - MLG takes the cake.
Yea I would put MLG and IPL way ahead of dreamhack. GSL>OSL>MLG>IPL>DH imo
agreed, Dreamhack doesn't bring in enough koreans to be prestigious
I don't even think Dreamhack is the most prestigious foreign tournament. The lineups they produce just aren't that great anymore to really make it as competitive as MLG, Iron Squid, and certainly not IPL.
On March 01 2013 08:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I don't even think Dreamhack is the most prestigious foreign tournament. The lineups they produce just aren't that great anymore to really make it as competitive as MLG, Iron Squid, and certainly not IPL.
On March 01 2013 08:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I don't even think Dreamhack is the most prestigious foreign tournament. The lineups they produce just aren't that great anymore to really make it as competitive as MLG, Iron Squid, and certainly not IPL.
On March 01 2013 08:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I don't even think Dreamhack is the most prestigious foreign tournament. The lineups they produce just aren't that great anymore to really make it as competitive as MLG, Iron Squid, and certainly not IPL.
I fail to see how this is in any way Stephano's fault, of course playing in the first big Hots tournament is worth a lot more then up and downs playing WOL which as we all know he doesn't even play anymore. Personally I think the bigger problem here is that GSL didn't consider this in their scheduling and that up and downs for whatever reason is WOL.
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
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I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide.
Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win.
It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil.
Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL.
Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete.
On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games.
Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats?
In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it.
Tournament prestige is determined by the fans, their opinions is what makes a tournament prestigious. If everyone believed Dreamhack was the more prestigious tournament then it would be true, if no one cared about GSL then it wouldn't be the most prestigious tournament, pretty simple.
Don't bite, he's a troll and he'll probably get banned again soon.
Also, how on earth did we get to arguing whether DreamHack is the most prestigious foreign tournament from EG/Stephano forfeiting his Up&Down seed.
On March 01 2013 08:59 jax1492 wrote: I don't understand, i am my opinion he should be trying for gsl but i assume eg is wanting him to be at iem ... ughh no one wins
Considering that he is still listed in Proleague i am not sure what EG wants.
I think him having to forfeit his Proleague match is a bigger deal than him dropping out of the Up&Downs. The fact that EG is allowing Stephano to drop out of his match especially a match that EG-TL desperately needs shows how much of a joke this whole EG-TL proleague endeavor was. They had no intention of taking this league seriously from the beginning.
On March 01 2013 03:28 amiGo_O wrote: seriously fuck Stephano and Grubby, GSL gave them a huge opportunity and they just dont care ... not surprised about Stephano as he cares only about money, but Grubby disappointed me big time ... GSL should learn a lesson ...
I don't think it was Grubby's fault. Didn't GSL move their schedule ahead or something and that's why Grubby couldn't make his matches? Grubby was out of the country when he found out, I think.
On March 01 2013 08:59 jax1492 wrote: I don't understand, i am my opinion he should be trying for gsl but i assume eg is wanting him to be at iem ... ughh no one wins
Considering that he is still listed in Proleague i am not sure what EG wants.
I don't understand how that even happened, what if his IEM group had been on the 5th? Were they just going to shove him on a plane after proleague and hope he was in shape to play upon landing in germany. I assume he was locked into the proleague roster before the IEM groups came out on the 21st but the actual dates for IEM was known well in advance so why chance it.
GSL is a tournament that favors preparation. Stephano is a player that doesn't do much preparing. Therefore, GSL isnt a tournament where a player like Stephano should thrive.
On March 01 2013 09:25 Arceus wrote: Loser proceeds to quitter. Sounds familiar
Much respect to GOM for getting constantly shat on by those charity seeds
I think the lack of respect shown to GOM is the biggest concern here; I don't really care if Stephano is in GSL or not, but he should only accept the seed if he's going to give it his best shot. Shame on you, EG SHAME I SAY.
Not surprised. Stephano explicitly stated in an interview a few months back that he doesn't even like the game anymore, just plays for the money. I don't blame him for taking an easy opportunity to make bank instead of focusing on better tournaments.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
It's the fucking IEM world championship, huge event. Up and downs is a very minor thing. He's still in Code A next season. Calm the fuck down.
Will be fun if he'll fail at IEM after that. His group is not super hard, but with some bad luck and a well known curse... But it's perfectly understandable, chance to win some good cash vs chance to win up and downs...
Gotta get paid. Can't be slogging it out in tough tournaments when you could be smashing foreigners for easy coin. I can see why people are mad, but if people are surprised they need a reality check. This is just how SC2 works.
IEM is easier than GSL so more chance of winning money. It is his main goal while he is playing SC2, this isn't a suprise. Also, GOM should just stop with these seed handouts for foreigners....let them qualify like everyone else if they really belong there. I get that they do it for viewership and everything, but it just looks bad and kinda makes them seem unprofessional when they are giving these foreigners a shot who don't really care when there are plenty of koreans who would die for a GSL seed.
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
It's the fucking IEM world championship, huge event. Up and downs is a very minor thing. He's still in Code A next season. Calm the fuck down.
That one spot is highly pursued by tons of korean pro gamers, whereas it was given for free to Stephano, and he squanders it.
Like I said earlier, I feel if he was committed to IEM WC from earlier, I guess it's fine, but if I were GOM, I wouldn't give seeds like that without more commitment from the player, I'd probably state as such in a contract or sth.
Or charge a hefty fine for ditching the tournament, yeah I think I'd do that
On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote: This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this.
It's the fucking IEM world championship, huge event. Up and downs is a very minor thing. He's still in Code A next season. Calm the fuck down.
That one spot is highly pursued by tons of korean pro gamers, whereas it was given for free to Stephano, and he squanders it.
Like I said earlier, I feel if he was committed to IEM WC from earlier, I guess it's fine, but if I were GOM, I wouldn't give seeds like that without more commitment from the player, I'd probably state as such in a contract or sth.
He is going for the easy money after all, I mean he only has to play MVP, Golden, Dream TLO and Grubby...thats like a walk over group. I mean only 3 Koreans, the former WC3 champ and TLO.....EZPZ.......wait
What a shame from a viewer perspective, It is understandable though, as Stephano has to consider his winning chances. Are there no foreigners the next GSL to root for then?
On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
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I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide.
Lol DH may have good competition, but the competition level there is a farce. It doesn't even come close to the competition of mlg/ipl let alone gsl. DH isn't high on my list of tourneys to watch because the competition level is always too poor at them.
He's gonna lose ground if he fails at IEM. When playing in EG, money shouldn't be the motivation, since you get a monthly salary you can live from. EG sent one promising (Stephano) and one not-so-promising (HuK) contester to GSL. Obviously a failure. Stephano is just pulling consequences, no surprise to me - maybe he's on GSL level if he plays on top of his game, but that's not the point of GSL. The point of GSL is doing long-term high-level play. Stephano does not provide that anymore since his great strategies are being countered by a random soul train coming up.
Edit: Oh yeah, and EG curse :D Edit #2: Long story short: foreigner still not equaling coreans. As long as the e-sports scene is not that big, it won't happen. So, foreigners should stick to foreigner tournaments and try to beat koreans there. One makes a point through that, too.
I dont blame him. GSL doesnt offer enough money to stick around. Stephano is better off to win 10 times as much for a 100th the effort in a single weekend compared to the enduring task of trying to win Code A or S in GSL.
This is sad to me. I would love to see players striving to be the best instead of striving to make money. Life hint – if you achieve the first the later almost always follows.
Good decision. Koreans need to xpand, and stop being so isolated. Having the korean govonrment run kespa just reeks of fracism and the decisons that come out of it show exsacly that. The rest of the world dosnt need them to have a succsesfull career, and gom tv and gsl are not the hardest and best tournaments. Good Luck Frenchi!
On March 01 2013 11:05 Cornstarched wrote: Good decision. Koreans need to xpand, and stop being so isolated. Having the korean govonrment run kespa just reeks of fracism and the decisons that come out of it show exsacly that. The rest of the world dosnt need them to have a succsesfull career, and gom tv and gsl are not the hardest and best tournaments. Good Luck Frenchi!
...be that as it may, sc2 scene wouldnt be what it is today if it wasnt for the korean government backed kespa. many people here take this for granted. the sc2 hype train was the most massive train ever built.
This is so lame. Almost every foreigner keeps doing this. Don't even accept going to the GSL in the first place if you are so worried about conflicting schedules.
On March 01 2013 03:00 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: aw too bad. At least Yonghwa stands an even better chance now ^^
Yeah, but he's playing at IEM too, so he's going to have one hell of a week himself.
As for Stephano, he's always been about the money, so anyone could see this coming really. The IEM player pool is much weaker than GSL's, so its likely easy money for him. IEM is also on Hots and the up and downs aren't. Nothing really shocking here.
To all you guys who are putting rain in the same category as stephano, Rain's team made him play in the MLG tourney instead of the GSL because of the conflicts that GOM/KESPA had, along with the contract that MLG and KESPA had.
SKT wanted to snub GSL, it was part of the long back n forth that they had at the beginning of sc2 transitioning.
Koreans, despite their fiegned good manners, are actually very petty and underhanded. (im from there) If you read a lot of korean news, you'd find that the same big name companies that own your favorite starcraft teams do some pretty shady and corrupt things to keep your favorite nerds in the black.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if they had purposely put Stephano and youngwha in that same f*cked up bracket on purpose to make them choose between the GSL and IEM, and to intentionally make them suffer if they chose both.
don't understand why there needs to be so much hub-bub.
Foreigners are only given spots because it helps GOM's ratings. They don't care if they're screwing over some talented Code B player..that isn't going to change. If anything changes, it'll be in the vein of making sure there's more commitment from the foreigners they give seeds to.
On March 01 2013 03:28 amiGo_O wrote: seriously fuck Stephano and Grubby, GSL gave them a huge opportunity and they just dont care ... not surprised about Stephano as he cares only about money, but Grubby disappointed me big time ... GSL should learn a lesson ...
About Stephano: As expected he forfeit his code a game after he "only" went 3rd place at his code s group.
dude, he only won one match against hack who's bad TvZ. Seriously he did nothing special in code S, rather pleased haters.
Well you've got to say this about Naniwa, at least he stuck around in GSL and gave it a proper go. Two round of 8 finishes in Code S make him definitely in the top few foreigners of WoL. I'm Stephano's biggest fan, and I think he probably is perhaps the best naturally talented foreigner playing now. But I'm worried that without really sticking it out in GSL to show the world he really is as good as his reputation, that all those undefeatable ZvP roach pushes back in 2012 might be forgotten about in time. Let's hope that in HotS he can dedicate some time to give us the Code S result we all want for him. I still think he's the best chance players outside Korea have of taking the GSL crown.
I think Stephano made the good decision. He probably had all his trip to IEM already planned when Up and Down groups were released, so can't even blame him.
On March 01 2013 11:05 Cornstarched wrote: Good decision. Koreans need to xpand, and stop being so isolated. Having the korean govonrment run kespa just reeks of fracism and the decisons that come out of it show exsacly that. The rest of the world dosnt need them to have a succsesfull career, and gom tv and gsl are not the hardest and best tournaments. Good Luck Frenchi!
Too bad you're wrong though, GSL is the hardest and the best tournament around no doubt. Stephano can win all the money he wants and if that's what he's after, that's fine, but the glory of being the best is reserved for the likes of MVP, NesTea, MC, Life, and so on.
On March 01 2013 11:35 ioCross wrote: To all you guys who are putting rain in the same category as stephano, Rain's team made him play in the MLG tourney instead of the GSL because of the conflicts that GOM/KESPA had, along with the contract that MLG and KESPA had.
SKT wanted to snub GSL, it was part of the long back n forth that they had at the beginning of sc2 transitioning.
Koreans, despite their fiegned good manners, are actually very petty and underhanded. (im from there) If you read a lot of korean news, you'd find that the same big name companies that own your favorite starcraft teams do some pretty shady and corrupt things to keep your favorite nerds in the black.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if they had purposely put Stephano and youngwha in that same f*cked up bracket on purpose to make them choose between the GSL and IEM, and to intentionally make them suffer if they chose both.
I feel sad for Rain, people dislike him for that choice made by kespa
On March 01 2013 11:05 Cornstarched wrote: Good decision. Koreans need to xpand, and stop being so isolated. Having the korean govonrment run kespa just reeks of fracism and the decisons that come out of it show exsacly that. The rest of the world dosnt need them to have a succsesfull career, and gom tv and gsl are not the hardest and best tournaments. Good Luck Frenchi!
Too bad you're wrong though, GSL is the hardest and the best tournament around no doubt. Stephano can win all the money he wants and if that's what he's after, that's fine, but the glory of being the best is reserved for the likes of MVP, NesTea, MC, Life, and so on.
That's super kewl and all, but Stephano doesn't give a shit about that. Besides by giving up his spot, he's now down in Code A or is he kicked out entirely?
Kinda funny how Europeans don't stick around in Korea very long. Looks like another foreigner bites the dust in the GSL Code S. I wish Stephano luck at IEM.
every great player, athletes or gamers, has a great mindset that makes them champ. That is thriving for the best, playing with the best and winning the best money.
Your so-called foreigner hero doesnt have that. Hes just another kid who wins some money by playing video game.
People are acting like he's skipping a Code S match for this. It's up and downs. There's a high chance that he'd end up in Code A anyway which is what happens now. He is still in the GSL, in Code A. Everyone calm the fuck down.
On March 01 2013 12:41 fuzzylogic44 wrote: People are acting like he's skipping a Code S match for this. It's up and downs. There's a high chance that he'd end up in Code A anyway which is what happens now. He is still in the GSL, in Code A. Everyone calm the fuck down.
Dayum. Laying down the hard reasoning. But yeah nice call, that puts it into perspective. Good decision I 'spose
He knows that he's not going to be doing this shit when he's 30 so he is banking cash. People are raged about it because it's a sort of nod to the fact that this game has a clock on it whereas some nerds seem to think of it as a long term career option (which it isn't). This is a pretty rational move regardless of what we might wish for as viewers.
Such a shame to see players looking for easy money instead of compete in the most prestigious sc2 tournaments with the best players int he world. But i guess he just doesnt belong to them.
Should someone from EG management or coaching have contacted Mr. Chae and associates to work on this? I don't blame Stephano, but someone should ask EG some questions. SLASHER, where are you???
On March 01 2013 12:49 tritonice wrote: Should someone from EG management or coaching have contacted Mr. Chae and associates to work on this? I don't blame Stephano, but someone should ask EG some questions. SLASHER, where are you???
Are you high right now? In your mind is there some EG conspiracy masterminded by Alex Garfield and Incontrol to keep Stephano out of GSL? There is a conflict and he chose the tournament that is more appealing to him personally (and likely also to EG and their sponsors!), this isn't complicated.
I love how people are worked up over this. He made his name in the western scene. He's obviously going to participate in a massive tournament that he loves as opposed to a couple games of Up & Down matches. What the fuck do you think is more appealing? A chance at trying to get Code S and staying in Code A anyways if he fails, or going to IEM where he's almost guaranteed some good money and to have a lot more fun than he would have in the Up & Down matches?
Can't believe everyone is bitching against Stephano again. He's just not the godly foreigner that will "save" the foreigner pride and such, he's just Stephano. Let him be what the F*** he want to be and stop always complaining about his decisions. That's the kind of attitude that will make him leave Sc2, or even other programmer.
as long as he gets the $$$ in foreign tournaments theres no point sweating on GSL where at best he will make ro16 and less than $2000 whereas in tournaments like IEM, ironsquid, dreamhack, ipl , etc. he is guaranteed at least top 8 and $5000, without much practice
Why does everyone think Stephano will "take it to ze bank" at IEM? You guys realize he's played only about 120 HotS games, and done fairly badly at that, hasn't even made GM? Wasn't he saying that he started playing WC3 so he could win some games to get his confidence back up?
On March 01 2013 13:13 probeater wrote: as long as he gets the $$$ in foreign tournaments theres no point sweating on GSL where at best he will make ro16 and less than $2000 whereas in tournaments like IEM, ironsquid, dreamhack, ipl , etc. he is guaranteed at least top 8 and $5000, without much practice
simple as that
Guaranteed? He finished something like 30th at the last IPL, he barely even managed to qualify for this IEM, he was 22nd on the rankings list with no top place finishes.
On March 01 2013 13:13 sitromit wrote: Why does everyone think Stephano will "take it to ze bank" at IEM? You guys realize he's played only about 120 HotS games, and done fairly badly at that, hasn't even made GM? Wasn't he saying that he started playing WC3 so he could win some games to get his confidence back up?
You think other players have much more exp in the HotS??!
As nice as it would have been to see him attempt to prove himself (for a third GSL round, since he failed the first two), it's clearly not his priority, and that's all that matters. For whatever reason (probably the belief that he'll have an easier time making money at IEM), he prefers leaving this GSL round and trying his luck solely at IEM. It's his choice.
Personally, I think it's a slap in the face to GOM, considering he was given a seed and he's just throwing it away (and it's peripherally hurting how even the groups were in size, and viewership), but it's still his decision at the end of the day. I'm not going to kidnap him and force him to play GSL (and possibly lose again, anyway). He has his reasons, even if they might be selfish.
On March 01 2013 13:13 probeater wrote: as long as he gets the $$$ in foreign tournaments theres no point sweating on GSL where at best he will make ro16 and less than $2000 whereas in tournaments like IEM, ironsquid, dreamhack, ipl , etc. he is guaranteed at least top 8 and $5000, without much practice
simple as that
Guaranteed? He finished something like 30th at the last IPL, he barely even managed to qualify for this IEM, he was 22nd on the rankings list with no top place finishes.
Guaranteed in the context that the level of competition and skill are lower at foreign tournaments than in the GSL. Just roll with us (most responders in this thread) on this one. :D
i understand his reasoning for doing it... he likely wouldnt have gotten out of U&D and has a high chance of winning IEM. that being said, korean progamers who focus solely on trying to get into GSL must be super frustrated
Lucifron, Scarlett, Nerchio, ect, ect, ect, ect, ect are all Code S quality. They are complete Korean slayers that put fear into their Korean counterparts. If they decided to grace the Korean scene with their presence they would totally crush some Korean faces. They have incredible micro/macro and unmatched creativity. Koreans with their mechanical play can't handle their game sense. The only reason GSL hasn't had a foreigner champion is because who wants to waste their time in Korea?
On March 01 2013 10:49 Coopfreak wrote: This is sad to me. I would love to see players striving to be the best instead of striving to make money. Life hint – if you achieve the first the later almost always follows.
But in most cases, you can't achieve the first, and also you missed the chance to get the second.
As much as I want him to do well in GSL he clearly doesn't have what it takes to succeed in that format. It will be interesting to see how he does in HotS now though.
He should focus on tournaments he feels he can succeed well in.
He is a great talent but GSL is on a whole different level and if you don't prepare for each and every match you won't stand a chance which has been proven over and over again.
He did reasonably well in Korea, worse than I expected but definitly wasn't as bad as most other foreigners. The main disappointment was his SPL performance, but I think something is off when the whole EGTL is doing crap there.
On March 01 2013 16:26 ETisME wrote: He did reasonably well in Korea, worse than I expected but definitly wasn't as bad as most other foreigners. The main disappointment was his SPL performance, but I think something is off when the whole EGTL is doing crap there.
What? He performed better than Grubby only. IdrA did better, Jinro did better, Naniwa did better and MaNa did better if you take into consideration the fact that he actually qualified for Code S through Up&Downs.
On March 01 2013 16:24 papaz wrote: Good decision!
He should focus on tournaments he feels he can succeed well in.
He is a great talent but GSL is on a whole different level and if you don't prepare for each and every match you won't stand a chance which has been proven over and over again.
It's not like he has any real chance of winning IEM anyway . Did you look at the list of Koreans here?
Although that surely is dissappoiting for the majority of viewers, I support his decision. Stephano does very well in EU tournaments and that´s also the reason why he got popular in the first place. I was never sure if the GSL was the right place for him (not because of the skill level, but GSL is very restricted and boring in a sense and Stephano likes to be less restricted and shines with huge crowds that are cheering for him). Also, since he joined EG and the GSL decision, we haven´t had the chance seeing him in Europe too much, which I am sure about he misses a lot.
He should listen to his heart and where he feels comfortable. It´s his life, after all, he has to learn and respect his inner voice and not follow what other people want from him.
On March 01 2013 16:43 DusTerr wrote: Only curiosity I have is if he'll be back in KR (pl / code a qualifiers) or back to hunting foreign tournaments.
or more realistically he will fall off the map entirely in hots like the rest of the patch zergs. stephano is the most overhyped foreigner to ever go to korea and it really exposed how flawed of a player he actually is.
On March 01 2013 16:26 ETisME wrote: He did reasonably well in Korea, worse than I expected but definitly wasn't as bad as most other foreigners. The main disappointment was his SPL performance, but I think something is off when the whole EGTL is doing crap there.
He didn't do that bad, compared to the other EG-TLs.
On March 01 2013 16:26 ETisME wrote: He did reasonably well in Korea, worse than I expected but definitly wasn't as bad as most other foreigners. The main disappointment was his SPL performance, but I think something is off when the whole EGTL is doing crap there.
What? He performed better than Grubby only. IdrA did better, Jinro did better, Naniwa did better and MaNa did better if you take into consideration the fact that he actually qualified for Code S through Up&Downs.
I wasn't really talking about results, I was more on his performance in terms of game play. IdrA and Jinro accomplishment were ages ago, so I wasn't comparing him to them. The game is too different back then.
MaNa, well, let's just say his Code S performance really turned me down. Naniwa has done better than stephano, this one i agree.
Stephano did play really well for EGTL in SPL (not just result, but also his play was at least as solid as most other top zerg), he brought roach hydra against a terran. Came back from a game that basically should have lost due to DTs. Pretty good ZvZ performance for a few times.
that's why I think he did reasonably well. It's just I was expecting him to perform a bit better overall.
On March 01 2013 16:26 ETisME wrote: He did reasonably well in Korea, worse than I expected but definitly wasn't as bad as most other foreigners. The main disappointment was his SPL performance, but I think something is off when the whole EGTL is doing crap there.
He didn't do that bad, compared to the other EG-TLs.
Huk's actually done very well in GSL on a couple of occasions, he just dropped off eventually. So did Idra. They have vastly better GSL pedigree than Stephano. His foreign successes eclipse theirs, though.
It puts naniwas and huks hard work and determination to fight with the best into perspective. I admire their charachter even more after reading this news.
On March 01 2013 16:55 iSunrise wrote: Although that surely is dissappoiting for the majority of viewers, I support his decision. Stephano does very well in EU tournaments and that´s also the reason why he got popular in the first place. I was never sure if the GSL was the right place for him (not because of the skill level, but GSL is very restricted and boring in a sense and Stephano likes to be less restricted and shines with huge crowds that are cheering for him). Also, since he joined EG and the GSL decision, we haven´t had the chance seeing him in Europe too much, which I am sure about he misses a lot.
He should listen to his heart and where he feels comfortable. It´s his life, after all, he has to learn and respect his inner voice and not follow what other people want from him.
Boring and restricted ? Are you trolling or something ?
The only thing I dislike about this decision is it seems, on the surface, like he didn't give GOM the advance notice that they deserve. I'm sure it's not going to mess them up too much, but it's very unprofessional, and probably makes them regret giving out these foreigner invites.
People are saying GOM should have watched ahead when doing the scheldue are silly. It should be the player that notifies ahead to the organiser that he can't play; not the other way around. Hell from the up and down it seemed even Incontrol (his teammate) assumed he would play up and downs. How can anyone expect GOM to know if even his teammate doesn't?
On March 01 2013 16:55 iSunrise wrote: Although that surely is dissappoiting for the majority of viewers, I support his decision. Stephano does very well in EU tournaments and that´s also the reason why he got popular in the first place. I was never sure if the GSL was the right place for him (not because of the skill level, but GSL is very restricted and boring in a sense and Stephano likes to be less restricted and shines with huge crowds that are cheering for him). Also, since he joined EG and the GSL decision, we haven´t had the chance seeing him in Europe too much, which I am sure about he misses a lot.
He should listen to his heart and where he feels comfortable. It´s his life, after all, he has to learn and respect his inner voice and not follow what other people want from him.
Boring and restricted ? Are you trolling or something ?
It's the usual 'Stephano can do no wrong' response type. Every other foreigner who did something like this or even faintly comparable was roasted, not that it's happened often.
On March 01 2013 17:59 Assirra wrote: People are saying GOM should have watched ahead when doing the scheldue are silly. It should be the player that notifies ahead to the organiser that he can't play; not the other way around. Hell from the up and down it seemed even Incontrol (his teammate) assumed he would play up and downs. How can anyone expect GOM to know if even his teammate doesn't?
How can he notify ahead if he don't know when the up and down is going to be played?
On March 01 2013 16:55 iSunrise wrote: Although that surely is dissappoiting for the majority of viewers, I support his decision. Stephano does very well in EU tournaments and that´s also the reason why he got popular in the first place. I was never sure if the GSL was the right place for him (not because of the skill level, but GSL is very restricted and boring in a sense and Stephano likes to be less restricted and shines with huge crowds that are cheering for him). Also, since he joined EG and the GSL decision, we haven´t had the chance seeing him in Europe too much, which I am sure about he misses a lot.
He should listen to his heart and where he feels comfortable. It´s his life, after all, he has to learn and respect his inner voice and not follow what other people want from him.
Boring and restricted ? Are you trolling or something ?
Compared to a live tournament, yes, it is. There´s a crowd, emotions and excitement. Do you even have a point or do you only want to vent?
On March 01 2013 17:59 Assirra wrote: People are saying GOM should have watched ahead when doing the scheldue are silly. It should be the player that notifies ahead to the organiser that he can't play; not the other way around. Hell from the up and down it seemed even Incontrol (his teammate) assumed he would play up and downs. How can anyone expect GOM to know if even his teammate doesn't?
How can he notify ahead if he don't know when the up and down is going to be played?
plz stop acting like the up&downs could have been scheduled to be played tomorrow or in april...
On March 01 2013 16:55 iSunrise wrote: Although that surely is dissappoiting for the majority of viewers, I support his decision. Stephano does very well in EU tournaments and that´s also the reason why he got popular in the first place. I was never sure if the GSL was the right place for him (not because of the skill level, but GSL is very restricted and boring in a sense and Stephano likes to be less restricted and shines with huge crowds that are cheering for him). Also, since he joined EG and the GSL decision, we haven´t had the chance seeing him in Europe too much, which I am sure about he misses a lot.
He should listen to his heart and where he feels comfortable. It´s his life, after all, he has to learn and respect his inner voice and not follow what other people want from him.
Boring and restricted ? Are you trolling or something ?
Compared to a live tournament, yes, it is. There´s a crowd, emotions and excitement. Do you even have a point or do you only want to vent?
Time for you to learn the definition of a live tournament; cause if the GSL aint live you quite frankly don't known the meaning of the word.
On March 01 2013 16:55 iSunrise wrote: Although that surely is dissappoiting for the majority of viewers, I support his decision. Stephano does very well in EU tournaments and that´s also the reason why he got popular in the first place. I was never sure if the GSL was the right place for him (not because of the skill level, but GSL is very restricted and boring in a sense and Stephano likes to be less restricted and shines with huge crowds that are cheering for him). Also, since he joined EG and the GSL decision, we haven´t had the chance seeing him in Europe too much, which I am sure about he misses a lot.
He should listen to his heart and where he feels comfortable. It´s his life, after all, he has to learn and respect his inner voice and not follow what other people want from him.
Boring and restricted ? Are you trolling or something ?
Compared to a live tournament, yes, it is. There´s a crowd, emotions and excitement. Do you even have a point or do you only want to vent?
Yes, I do have a point. GSL does have crowd and mad people watching. Emotions are high in the up and downs with stars being born from them. I think it is more likely him not looking forward to playing more WOL then him being scared to play in GSL, but who knows with Stephano. The problem is, he just don't care about playing in Korea. It's not a diss on Stephano but something we all know . Hell, I somewhat like Stephano but I'm not a fanboy..
On March 01 2013 16:55 iSunrise wrote: Although that surely is dissappoiting for the majority of viewers, I support his decision. Stephano does very well in EU tournaments and that´s also the reason why he got popular in the first place. I was never sure if the GSL was the right place for him (not because of the skill level, but GSL is very restricted and boring in a sense and Stephano likes to be less restricted and shines with huge crowds that are cheering for him). Also, since he joined EG and the GSL decision, we haven´t had the chance seeing him in Europe too much, which I am sure about he misses a lot.
He should listen to his heart and where he feels comfortable. It´s his life, after all, he has to learn and respect his inner voice and not follow what other people want from him.
Boring and restricted ? Are you trolling or something ?
Compared to a live tournament, yes, it is. There´s a crowd, emotions and excitement. Do you even have a point or do you only want to vent?
Time for you to learn the definition of a live tournament; cause if the GSL aint live you quite frankly don't known the meaning of the word.
Yes, but it´s basically the same everytime, while there is a lot more variety with different live tournament all over the world and this is where Stephano began his career (online cups, HSC, EU tournaments) and GSL very boring to watch sometimes. I get much more excited watching a live tournament like WCS EU, where Stephano made an extremely impressive showing. Why do people always have to be so difficult and answer on excerpts rather than understanding what I meant by it. And no, you don´t need to explain to me, what a live tournament is, thanks for the offer, though.
Let`s be honest - right now Stephano has no shot at winning the GSL just because he is not good enough. And when you can`t compete with the best at GSL you surely will get no price money.
But - IEM is no easy money either. Look at the participants. It would pretty much be a little little surprise if Stephano would finish top 3 with his current form.
On March 01 2013 16:55 iSunrise wrote: Although that surely is dissappoiting for the majority of viewers, I support his decision. Stephano does very well in EU tournaments and that´s also the reason why he got popular in the first place. I was never sure if the GSL was the right place for him (not because of the skill level, but GSL is very restricted and boring in a sense and Stephano likes to be less restricted and shines with huge crowds that are cheering for him). Also, since he joined EG and the GSL decision, we haven´t had the chance seeing him in Europe too much, which I am sure about he misses a lot.
He should listen to his heart and where he feels comfortable. It´s his life, after all, he has to learn and respect his inner voice and not follow what other people want from him.
Boring and restricted ? Are you trolling or something ?
Compared to a live tournament, yes, it is. There´s a crowd, emotions and excitement. Do you even have a point or do you only want to vent?
Yes, I do have a point. GSL does have crowd and mad people watching. Emotions are high in the up and downs with stars being born from them. I think it is more likely him not looking forward to playing more WOL then him being scared to play in GSL, but who knows with Stephano. The problem is, he just don't care about playing in Korea. It's not a diss on Stephano but something we all know . Hell, I somewhat like Stephano but I'm not a fanboy..
Yes, but these are different animals altogether. I cannot enjoy GSL like I would a WCS EU. You cannot compare WCS EU with GSL Code A or Code S. There are tournaments that only happen once in our lives and you never forget them. If there would only be GSL no one would really know the players (the people) behind the game and have followed they´re career if it weren´t for HSC or MLG and EU tournaments.
On March 01 2013 18:17 Mun_Su wrote: Grubby forfeit code A > that's minor, it's ok Grubby we love you ! <3
Stephano forfeit U&D > oh so silly Stephano we hate you ! è__é
He took his tickets before knowing the date of the U&Down, and maybe he was focused on HOTS. He doesn't like the GSL.
You should respect his decision instead of constant whining.
GOM knew about Grubby's decision way, way, way in advance. It's not really the same situation.
Wait, I thought Grubby was planning on playing Code A and only forfeited because Gom made a short term schedule change?
And the real question in the Stephano story is: did he notify GOM that he wanted to play in the IEM? If yes, then I don't get why people are so worked up about this.
On March 01 2013 18:17 Mun_Su wrote: Grubby forfeit code A > that's minor, it's ok Grubby we love you ! <3
Stephano forfeit U&D > oh so silly Stephano we hate you ! è__é
He took his tickets before knowing the date of the U&Down, and maybe he was focused on HOTS. He doesn't like the GSL.
You should respect his decision instead of constant whining.
GOM knew about Grubby's decision way, way, way in advance. It's not really the same situation.
Wait, I thought Grubby was planning on playing Code A and only forfeited because Gom made a short term schedule change?
And the real question in the Stephano story is: did he notify GOM that he wanted to play in the IEM? If yes, then I don't get why people are so worked up about this.
Grubby was never put in the scheldue if i remember right, people were wondering about it ahead when there were 49 players in code A.So yea Grubby arranged something with GOM compared to Stephano where he got scheldued and even his teammate assumed he would play.
Meh. Forfeiting the most competitive league to play for a chance at the money at IEM. Its not like I dont understand him, I just wish it wasnt so.
People should remember that EG also might have finger in this, it benefits them way more if Stephano get top 3 IEM rather than potentially getting pummeled in U&D.
And on record of what aphaise above me said... Stephano has shown a tendency to gravitate towards money in the past. I'm not sure EG would really be as worried about that as much as proving they're still a competitive team in Korea. (Not saying they aren't, but without idra or puma or really any other major EG presences...)
GSL is such a slow format and is really just good for those grounded in Seoul Korea. Any foreigner with ambitions in the Western tournaments just looses flat out, especially when they've dropped down to Code A.
Hopefully everthing has been handled according to protocoll, however the release of groups where Stephano is present indicates he did infact not inform Gom on time. If I remember correctly, this will include punishment from Gom's side?
Slap in the face to GSL? Perhaps... but I'm pretty sure it was a simple math equation.
Haters gonna hate, who all assume this was Stephano's decision, when it may have been a team decision. IEM will probably get far more exposure for EG and their sponsors than GSL will, as far more people will tune in to IEM and subsequent foreign events, who are the targets for their sponsors. Seems simple if I'm making the decisions for EG.
Why do the masses on TL seem to forget that pro teams are businesses? Evil corporations? Most of these pro players would be entertaining you were it not for the horrible profit they make from playing. It's not evil, it's not greed, it's not selfishness, it's just business. No one does anything for free, least of all dedicate themselves to something for years on end. I hate the stupid freetard mentality that is taking over the minds of our youth. Health care should be free, but you want the best damned doctor on the planet when you get sick... the kind of sick the requires a specialist. Entertainment should be free, but you want the best damned players when you're watching. It's all the same. Profit, competition, risk, consequences all breed excellence. My hat is off to EG and Stephano for giving the proverbial finger to the GSL.
On March 01 2013 03:18 blackone wrote: It's sad, foreigner after foreigner, playing on a free GSL seed, drops out as soon as they see that things aren't easy. These invites are a waste, if they had to qualify like everyone else they wouldn't play if they weren't serious. Other than Jinro and HuK, nobody has really tried to set a foot in the GSL.
So Naniwa dident make a mark in GSL? Two times round of eight. Stop talking out of your ass!
On March 01 2013 19:43 evoli wrote: Ilyes will be participating in the SPL match on Monday. He remarked mistakenly about his schedule on Twitter. More updates will be available tomorrow.
On March 01 2013 03:18 blackone wrote: It's sad, foreigner after foreigner, playing on a free GSL seed, drops out as soon as they see that things aren't easy. These invites are a waste, if they had to qualify like everyone else they wouldn't play if they weren't serious. Other than Jinro and HuK, nobody has really tried to set a foot in the GSL.
So Naniwa dident make a mark in GSL? Two times round of eight. Stop talking out of your ass!
On March 01 2013 19:43 evoli wrote: Ilyes will be participating in the SPL match on Monday. He remarked mistakenly about his schedule on Twitter. More updates will be available tomorrow.
haha oh wow. He got a lot of publicity out of it though
On March 01 2013 03:20 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Another foreign seed wasted.. Please Gom no more seeds -.- Foreigners have just proven time and time again they don't deserve them.
Also I hope Stephano gets crushed at IEM. gives up an up/down spot after GOM gave him a seed to Code S... Never liked Stephanos attitude and it seems I never will.
Dont like to reapet my self but Naniwa have proven he deserved the invite. Dont go hateing on all forigners just becuse Stephano is acting like that.
On March 01 2013 19:43 evoli wrote: Ilyes will be participating in the SPL match on Monday. He remarked mistakenly about his schedule on Twitter. More updates will be available tomorrow.
Sometimes you wonder if he needs someone sits besides him when he is browsing, too much dumb stuff is going on it seems when left alone it seems
On March 01 2013 03:18 blackone wrote: It's sad, foreigner after foreigner, playing on a free GSL seed, drops out as soon as they see that things aren't easy. These invites are a waste, if they had to qualify like everyone else they wouldn't play if they weren't serious. Other than Jinro and HuK, nobody has really tried to set a foot in the GSL.
So Naniwa dident make a mark in GSL? Two times round of eight. Stop talking out of your ass!
Well...how many seeds did it took him again?
Yeah the "Forigners drops as soon they see that things aren't easy is bullshit. Naniwa have tryed and fight, and in the end it payed off.
On March 01 2013 19:43 evoli wrote: Ilyes will be participating in the SPL match on Monday. He remarked mistakenly about his schedule on Twitter. More updates will be available tomorrow.
So he's pulling out of GSL completely? Otherwise you could have just said he'll play GSL, if it's not a schedule conflict it's just him leaving.
That's a bummer. I could see why money is a big attraction point (duh), but the extra entertainment value that GSL gets from having a foreigner play is lost.
Oh man, this community.... sometimes......aaaargh!!
Grubby forfeits: Nothing happend
Stephano forfeits: 30 page with 90% hate.
Anybody realising?
Stephano is just a SC2-player, he does what he thinks is best for him. LIKE ANY OTHER PLAYER. Most herp derps complaining about Stephano would do 100% the same in his situation!
btw: Sad for Taeja. He deserved his shot in the finals...=(
I would do that all the time. GSL is not a tournament its rather a league witch takes months until you get in the money ranks. And as foreigners its a very hard time, your seperated from your family/friends, you dont understand the language and you got to spend a lot of money to live there. And all that for what? The very low chance to win something? To play against korean names the fewest of your fans ever heard of?
IEM in contrast is a real tournnament, you got realistic chances to get something out of it and you fans can actually watch it.
And lets face it: SC2 wont exist forever. As a pro you loose so much precious time you could have spend in a proper job or education. Thats all a lot of lost time and money. Your future employer will most likely not care about you playing computer games professional in the best case. In worst case he will not hire you cause you wasted years of playing "childish games". --> As a progamer you must get out money in that time, thats what matters.
evoli wrote: When Alex gets up I'm going to try and talk him into buying the other teams in our group, and from there we'll make them forfeit too. The way I see it is, if all the other players forfeit and Ilyes forfeits first he should place at the head of the pack.
On March 01 2013 20:33 Bjarne wrote: Oh man, this community.... sometimes......aaaargh!!
Grubby forfeits: Nothing happend
Stephano forfeits: 30 page with 90% hate.
Anybody realising?
Stephano is just a SC2-player, he does what he thinks is best for him. LIKE ANY OTHER PLAYER. Most herp derps complaining about Stephano would do 100% the same in his situation!
btw: Sad for Taeja. He deserved his shot in the finals...=(
Actually there is a subtle diffrence Grubby was never put in the schedule and we got official word from GOM and they took it into account. Remember the 49code A spots? Stephano was put in the schedule, even his teammate assumed he would play and suddenly he announces on twitter he aint going to.
Can't blame Stephano for it I think. Players are profs who do what is best for them within the rules. GomTV should just take this as a lesson and stop seeding foreigners.I'd prefer zero seeds but if some have to be there I rather see they give a seed to an up and coming Korean kid who has been working his ass of but has not made it through the preliminaries for some reason.
Hope they do remove Stephano from Code A though. Gives an extra slot for qualifications.
evoli wrote: When Alex gets up I'm going to try and talk him into buying the other teams in our group, and from there we'll make them forfeit too. The way I see it is, if all the other players forfeit and Ilyes forfeits first he should place at the head of the pack.
On March 01 2013 20:33 Bjarne wrote: Oh man, this community.... sometimes......aaaargh!!
Grubby forfeits: Nothing happend
Stephano forfeits: 30 page with 90% hate.
Anybody realising?
Stephano is just a SC2-player, he does what he thinks is best for him. LIKE ANY OTHER PLAYER. Most herp derps complaining about Stephano would do 100% the same in his situation!
btw: Sad for Taeja. He deserved his shot in the finals...=(
Actually there is a subtle diffrence Grubby was never put in the schedule and we got official word from GOM and they took it into account. Remember the 49code A spots? Stephano was put in the schedule, even his teammate assumed he would play and suddenly he announces on twitter he aint going to.
I second that. Don't get me wrong, I like Stephanos play a lot. But that's exactly what Stephano does, being unprofessional. I know he says it's his "style" to not train a lot etc. But I think he could really do a lot better (as he is already awesome that means being a GSL champion) if he starts growing up.
Honestly I am surprised there is such an uproar about it. Stephano is a no impact player in gsl and spl both. Him forfeiting the up and downs just saves us from watching a bunch of one sided games. Good luck to Steph in iem. But there are some Koreans there also!
On March 01 2013 22:03 redviper wrote: Honestly I am surprised there is such an uproar about it. Stephano is a no impact player in gsl and spl both. Him forfeiting the up and downs just saves us from watching a bunch of one sided games. Good luck to Steph in iem. But there are some Koreans there also!
LOL, amusing. Your Team icon is LG-IM
In the last team-battle at IPTL, Stephano won against his LG IM opponent...
One sided games must not mean that Stephano looses them...
Yeah. Don't give foreigners seeds anymore. This is a joke.
Sure GSL is hard. Gaming is hard. Nobody else cares about financial standpoints in these situations. This is about playing leagues people are counting you to play. Some people might have purchased GSL tickets to watch foreigners play, but they continuously FF.
Sure, Stephano wants to make some money at IEM, but there isn't even a for sure chance of that to be honest. Odds are against him making real money at IEM, so why pass this up?
W/e, only solution is to stop giving people special treatment. Polt FF's his spot because he leaves Korea? Then put Polt on a probation period and give his spot to the next available candidate instead of to a random foreigner who is just going to drop out anyways because they don't feel it's important.
On March 01 2013 22:03 redviper wrote: Honestly I am surprised there is such an uproar about it. Stephano is a no impact player in gsl and spl both. Him forfeiting the up and downs just saves us from watching a bunch of one sided games. Good luck to Steph in iem. But there are some Koreans there also!
LOL, amusing. Your Team icon is LG-IM
In the last team-battle at IPTL, Stephano won against his LG IM opponent...
One sided games must not mean that Stephano looses them...
So he wins 1 bo1 and loses the next. Wait, why is this relevant again?
On March 01 2013 22:03 redviper wrote: Honestly I am surprised there is such an uproar about it. Stephano is a no impact player in gsl and spl both. Him forfeiting the up and downs just saves us from watching a bunch of one sided games. Good luck to Steph in iem. But there are some Koreans there also!
LOL, amusing. Your Team icon is LG-IM
In the last team-battle at IPTL, Stephano won against his LG IM opponent...
One sided games must not mean that Stephano looses them...
So he wins 1 bo1 and loses the next. Wait, why is this relevant again?
Every game that foreigners win against Koreans is a HUGE deal. They can have weeks without a Korean defeat, but once a Korean name gets knocked out by a foreigner they get Code S status for life.
This should really bring the respect level up for Idra, Jinro, Huk, TLO, Ret, Haypro etc. These guys actually honored what it meant to be playing Starcraft in Korea and to practice and prepare and actually care about what it is to be a Progamer in the way Koreans do. I especially respect Jinro and Idra for this because he lived on his own in Korea, qualified, and actually made his way through the tournament all the way to ro16/ro8/ro4. That has truly never been matched by any other foreigners in my opinion. The rest of the guys mentioned also at least had respect and performed reasonably well too. (Huk more so than others but yeah).
I think the "newer generation" of SC2 players just don't have the same regard and work ethic for becoming a Korean Style progamer like the BW foreigners did. And why would they? Huge salaries, EFame, Instant Sponsors for basically doing nothing of note. What did Idra have when he started doing well in BW? Motivation and Passion and thats about it. And I'm not an Idra fanboy by any means I barely even watch his games, but you have to give him a lot of respect compared to a player like Stephano.
Damn there are a lot of people talking unnecessary SHIT in this thread. He wants to make money elsewhere so let him. If he's not sent to Code B, he'll have a chance to play through Code A and make it back the next time. He wins one more game and he's in the Ro16 instead. Who knows what happens from there. Stop talking shit.
On March 01 2013 23:49 Havik_ wrote: Damn there are a lot of people talking unnecessary SHIT in this thread. He wants to make money elsewhere so let him. If he's not sent to Code B, he'll have a chance to play through Code A and make it back the next time. He wins one more game and he's in the Ro16 instead. Who knows what happens from there. Stop talking shit.
He's not even missing them anymore. It was a miscommunication. thread needs to be closed
Stephano not fofeiting ? As a fan Im quite happy with that. So are the haters I guess, they will explain that his first place is dued to the imba of zerg in WoL. Let me gain some time and remind them that the protoss upanddowners are from code A and code S and the PvZ winrate is close to 55 percent in those.
On March 01 2013 23:55 v_lm wrote: Stephano not fofeiting ? As a fan Im quite happy with that. So are the haters I guess, they will explain that his first place is dued to the imba of zerg in WoL. Let me gain some time and remind them that the protoss upanddowners are from code A and code S and the PvZ winrate is close to 55 percent in those.
On March 01 2013 19:43 evoli wrote: Ilyes will be participating in the SPL match on Monday. He remarked mistakenly about his schedule on Twitter. More updates will be available tomorrow.
from the SPL lineup thread. The SPL match is the same day and takes place after the up and down matches, so he should be playing. He'll be in Korea
He never officially forfeited his GSL games. Gom never said anything about it. He just tweeted that he would be on a plane which was wrong. I don't think he's forfeiting his GSL games. evoli just didn't say GSL because his post was in the SPL thread
Alot of things said in the thread was based on misinformation - however the based premise still stands - stephano seems to prioritise other tournaments over the hardest one, GSL - not that I blame him - he can easily make heaps of money on the weak foreign tournaments.
On March 02 2013 00:04 Shellshock1122 wrote: He never officially forfeited his GSL games. Gom never said anything about it. He just tweeted that he would be on a plane which was wrong. I don't think he's forfeiting his GSL games. evoli just didn't say GSL because his post was in the SPL thread
I asked evoli and he just made a joke instead of answering, I'm not sure what will happen with GSL.
On March 02 2013 00:04 Shellshock1122 wrote: He never officially forfeited his GSL games. Gom never said anything about it. He just tweeted that he would be on a plane which was wrong. I don't think he's forfeiting his GSL games. evoli just didn't say GSL because his post was in the SPL thread
I asked evoli and he just made a joke instead of answering, I'm not sure what will happen with GSL.
hmmm. well Gom hasn't said anything yet but they can be kind of slow to make announcements sometimes. The first up and down group is only a little over 2 days away so I would expect something official from them soon if he actually forfeited. Otherwise I would assume he's playing.
On March 02 2013 00:04 Shellshock1122 wrote: He never officially forfeited his GSL games. Gom never said anything about it. He just tweeted that he would be on a plane which was wrong. I don't think he's forfeiting his GSL games. evoli just didn't say GSL because his post was in the SPL thread
I asked evoli and he just made a joke instead of answering, I'm not sure what will happen with GSL.
hmmm. well Gom hasn't said anything yet but they can be kind of slow to make announcements sometimes. The first up and down group is only a little over 2 days away so I would expect something official from them soon if he actually forfeited. Otherwise I would assume he's playing.
True, I just thought he could've simply said "yes, that includes GSL" if that was the case, unless he wants to see the world burn and fanboy flame wars continue.
I guess we'll have to wait for tomorrow's updates that he promised.
Now this thread is even funnier, because it says "Stephano can play in his matches" and we have tons of responses saying "God dammit! NOOOOO!!! This is the worst luck ever! It's not fair!"
On March 02 2013 00:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Now this thread is even funnier, because it says "Stephano can play in his matches" and we have tons of responses saying "God dammit! NOOOOO!!! This is the worst luck ever! It's not fair!"
LOL :D Yeah, I clicked the thread with changed titled, thinking it was a new one, and saw the responses before I realised "Oh wait... This is the old thread!".
On March 02 2013 00:38 vividred wrote: Wait, I just realized this is another publicity stunt pulled by EG. Because previous forfeits were announced officially by GOM
On March 01 2013 23:30 Irre wrote: This should really bring the respect level up for Idra, Jinro, Huk, TLO, Ret, Haypro etc. These guys actually honored what it meant to be playing Starcraft in Korea and to practice and prepare and actually care about what it is to be a Progamer in the way Koreans do. I especially respect Jinro and Idra for this because he lived on his own in Korea, qualified, and actually made his way through the tournament all the way to ro16/ro8/ro4. That has truly never been matched by any other foreigners in my opinion. The rest of the guys mentioned also at least had respect and performed reasonably well too. (Huk more so than others but yeah).
Funny thing is that I remember Idra being the first to give up his Code S spot, so he can concentrate on US tournaments, starting the trend to do this. There will always be a Hero version and a Villain version to what people do.
On March 01 2013 20:33 Bjarne wrote: Oh man, this community.... sometimes......aaaargh!!
Grubby forfeits: Nothing happend
Stephano forfeits: 30 page with 90% hate.
Anybody realising?
Stephano is just a SC2-player, he does what he thinks is best for him. LIKE ANY OTHER PLAYER. Most herp derps complaining about Stephano would do 100% the same in his situation!
btw: Sad for Taeja. He deserved his shot in the finals...=(
Actually there is a subtle diffrence Grubby was never put in the schedule and we got official word from GOM and they took it into account. Remember the 49code A spots? Stephano was put in the schedule, even his teammate assumed he would play and suddenly he announces on twitter he aint going to.
What about Rain, aLive , Ganzi, ForGG etc etc ? No one cares . But eh its Stephano so let's email sponsors and insult him a little bit because we are so much better than him .
lollll actually not, EG saw that so many people were pissed and they jsut forced him to compete. he didnt want to ibet cause hes all about money. stephano actually doesnt give ashit about his fans or the expectations from the comunity, we see it when he streams we see it when hes not even trying to answer questions in interviews. he said it himself, it wasnt worth streaming if he didnt have a certain amount of viewers.
On March 01 2013 20:33 Bjarne wrote: Oh man, this community.... sometimes......aaaargh!!
Grubby forfeits: Nothing happend
Stephano forfeits: 30 page with 90% hate.
Anybody realising?
Stephano is just a SC2-player, he does what he thinks is best for him. LIKE ANY OTHER PLAYER. Most herp derps complaining about Stephano would do 100% the same in his situation!
btw: Sad for Taeja. He deserved his shot in the finals...=(
Actually there is a subtle diffrence Grubby was never put in the schedule and we got official word from GOM and they took it into account. Remember the 49code A spots? Stephano was put in the schedule, even his teammate assumed he would play and suddenly he announces on twitter he aint going to.
What about Rain, aLive , Ganzi, ForGG etc etc ? No one cares . But eh its Stephano so let's email sponsors and insult him a little bit because we are so much better than him .
People didn't even give a damn when Thorzain actually forfeited his Up&Down matches in order to "focus on WCS EU Championships", an event that was two weeks away and where he then got knocked out in the second round of the Loser's Bracket.
On March 02 2013 01:08 Solarsail wrote: Where does it say about Up/Downs? I only see SPL.
It's assumed since they are on the same day and Up and Downs take place before SPL. Stephano said he would forfeit because he would already be on the plane which is clearly not the case. More announcements tomorrow though I guess to confirm
On March 01 2013 23:30 Irre wrote: This should really bring the respect level up for Idra, Jinro, Huk, TLO, Ret, Haypro etc. These guys actually honored what it meant to be playing Starcraft in Korea and to practice and prepare and actually care about what it is to be a Progamer in the way Koreans do. I especially respect Jinro and Idra for this because he lived on his own in Korea, qualified, and actually made his way through the tournament all the way to ro16/ro8/ro4. That has truly never been matched by any other foreigners in my opinion. The rest of the guys mentioned also at least had respect and performed reasonably well too. (Huk more so than others but yeah).
Funny thing is that I remember Idra being the first to give up his Code S spot, so he can concentrate on US tournaments, starting the trend to do this. There will always be a Hero version and a Villain version to what people do.
While its true that he forfeited.. It wasn't mid season..it was after the season was over. It was also him moving back to america. He also was "on top" at the time. Hell GSL even did a damn tribute video to him. No villain side at all.
On a side note, good job TL! EG caved to the crazy pressure that exploded from that tweet and he will have to honor his committments to GSL after all.
On March 02 2013 01:08 Solarsail wrote: Where does it say about Up/Downs? I only see SPL.
Since UP & Downs are played before PL, he will not be on a plane for the matches. Logic I guess. Now if he plays only PL and not up & downs, people have a reason to be upset again .
On March 01 2013 23:30 Irre wrote: This should really bring the respect level up for Idra, Jinro, Huk, TLO, Ret, Haypro etc. These guys actually honored what it meant to be playing Starcraft in Korea and to practice and prepare and actually care about what it is to be a Progamer in the way Koreans do. I especially respect Jinro and Idra for this because he lived on his own in Korea, qualified, and actually made his way through the tournament all the way to ro16/ro8/ro4. That has truly never been matched by any other foreigners in my opinion. The rest of the guys mentioned also at least had respect and performed reasonably well too. (Huk more so than others but yeah).
Funny thing is that I remember Idra being the first to give up his Code S spot, so he can concentrate on US tournaments, starting the trend to do this. There will always be a Hero version and a Villain version to what people do.
First time I've ever heard someone calling IdrA a hero hahahaha. Awesome.
But no, IdrA's history in the GSL, and how he eventually moved on after leaving the scene, was far different than what Stephano is doing. IdrA's was long, well-deserved, and respectful. And not dropping out all of a sudden like this.
On March 01 2013 20:33 Bjarne wrote: Oh man, this community.... sometimes......aaaargh!!
Grubby forfeits: Nothing happend
Stephano forfeits: 30 page with 90% hate.
Anybody realising?
Stephano is just a SC2-player, he does what he thinks is best for him. LIKE ANY OTHER PLAYER. Most herp derps complaining about Stephano would do 100% the same in his situation!
btw: Sad for Taeja. He deserved his shot in the finals...=(
Actually there is a subtle diffrence Grubby was never put in the schedule and we got official word from GOM and they took it into account. Remember the 49code A spots? Stephano was put in the schedule, even his teammate assumed he would play and suddenly he announces on twitter he aint going to.
What about Rain, aLive , Ganzi, ForGG etc etc ? No one cares . But eh its Stephano so let's email sponsors and insult him a little bit because we are so much better than him .
People didn't even give a damn when Thorzain actually forfeited his Up&Down matches in order to "focus on WCS EU Championships", an event that was two weeks away and where he then got knocked out in the second round of the Loser's Bracket.
On March 02 2013 00:55 crazyweasel wrote: lollll actually not, EG saw that so many people were pissed and they jsut forced him to compete. he didnt want to ibet cause hes all about money. stephano actually doesnt give ashit about his fans or the expectations from the comunity, we see it when he streams we see it when hes not even trying to answer questions in interviews. he said it himself, it wasnt worth streaming if he didnt have a certain amount of viewers.
I think they just didnt want to give up a walk over in the PL so therefore he needed to play, and now has to play the U/D since there is no excuse anymore.
On March 02 2013 02:16 Iplaythings wrote: Oh haters, coming out of the woodwork and now ever so silent
I never got why he deserved hate for preferring IEM to GSL which he even said is his preferred tournament format
And when Artosis says that he should attend IEM over the U&O matches for GSL(if there was no choice), you know that it is totally based around EG hate.
On March 02 2013 02:12 Makro wrote: haters are literally fucked
And... what? People who dislike Stephano will still dislike him for a hundred other reasons lol. I doubt this one incident would have changed many people's minds about Stephano. He's been a polarizing figure for quite some time now.
On March 02 2013 02:16 Iplaythings wrote: Oh haters, coming out of the woodwork and now ever so silent
I never got why he deserved hate for preferring IEM to GSL which he even said is his preferred tournament format
It's just funny how many of them come out and stuff, lol. You'd think EG was disliked by a lot of people all of a sudden.
Lol. And now all the people toting the EG tag are filling up the thread. Who'd have thought? Regardless, he still made a decision to pass up GSL if it had come down to it. So we can still feel ok about our thoughts.
Well it's good that he did this, because zerg is currently dominating the end of WoL so hard... It's better he prooves himself right now because with his careless mentality he won't be able to compete with korean gamers in future. Everybody knows that. He probably also checked the players in his group and said: ok I might have a small chance, let's try it for the last time..
On March 02 2013 02:16 Iplaythings wrote: Oh haters, coming out of the woodwork and now ever so silent
On March 02 2013 02:31 DMXD wrote: lol eat shit haters!!!
1. Stephano says he won't be playing the third round of GSL, after finally agreeing to accept his seed and messing up his first two rounds. 2. People are upset with this and both fanboys and anti-fans alike vent their frustration and opinions. 3. Community finds out that Stephano will actually be playing his GSL round, and that he just didn't know his full schedule at the time. 4. Therefore, haters of Stephano are assholes.
I like how people in this thread were going like FUCK YOU STEPHANO for not playing in the U&D, now that he's announced he will, people are going like, FUCK YOU STEPHANO for going to U&D. Seems he just can't win.
On March 02 2013 02:31 DMXD wrote: lol eat shit haters!!!
1. Stephano says he won't be playing the third round of GSL, after finally agreeing to accept his seed and messing up his first two rounds. 2. People are upset with this and both fanboys and anti-fans alike vent their frustration and opinions. 3. Community finds out that Stephano will actually be playing his GSL round, and that he just didn't know his full schedule at the time. 4. Therefore, haters of Stephano are assholes.
???
Yup exactly. It's not like he redeemed himself after making announcements without taking care of informing himself properly first. Just straight to twitter as soon as he made a decision.
After the TL Mafia heard of Stephano's forfeit, they made a few phone calls, and the next morning, Ilyes woke up with a coolant-soaked, fried CPU in his bed.
Stephano learned his lesson and recovered his U&D berth. He never went against the family again.
On March 02 2013 02:16 Iplaythings wrote: Oh haters, coming out of the woodwork and now ever so silent
On March 02 2013 02:31 DMXD wrote: lol eat shit haters!!!
1. Stephano says he won't be playing the third round of GSL, after finally agreeing to accept his seed and messing up his first two rounds. 2. People are upset with this and both fanboys and anti-fans alike vent their frustration and opinions. 3. Community finds out that Stephano will actually be playing his GSL round, and that he just didn't know his full schedule at the time. 4. Therefore, haters of Stephano are assholes.
???
Yup exactly. It's not like he redeemed himself after making announcements without taking care of informing himself properly first. Just straight to twitter as soon as he made a decision.
What do you mean by "redeemed himself"? How anyone can be at all surprised that Stephano, a dude who mas made his flippancy clear from day one, prematurely tweeted an incorrect schedule conflict is beyond me.
Stephano again and again displays just how little of a fuck he gives about his team, and his personal image.
I'm still in shock that people like this fuckwad after he drank himself into a stupor and then puked all over the place at a professional event. Have you EVER heard of a professional doing this? Even if his tournament was over, he was all over the stream drunk as fuck, etc.
Now this non-sense again. When are people going to stop caring about this asshole and support players who actually care about their fans, their team, and their game?
Flippant, brash, and arrogant are all words that describe Stephano and his attitude towards eSports. He never regarded it as anything more than a way to not go to school, and make money. TBH, he isn't even THAT good. He abused imbalanced maps and imbalanced match-ups to get to his 'high' level of play. Sorry, but making roaches all game doesn't make you some tactical mastermind. Ever watch him in SPL? He gets raped routinely in the later stages of the game because his stupid roach pushes don't work and then he's shit out of luck.
Stephano again and again displays just how little of a fuck he gives about his team, and his personal image.
I'm still in shock that people like this fuckwad after he drank himself into a stupor and then puked all over the place at a professional event. Have you EVER heard of a professional doing this? Even if his tournament was over, he was all over the stream drunk as fuck, etc.
Now this non-sense again. When are people going to stop caring about this asshole and support players who actually care about their fans, their team, and their game?
Flippant, brash, and arrogant are all words that describe Stephano and his attitude towards eSports. He never regarded it as anything more than a way to not go to school, and make money. TBH, he isn't even THAT good. He abused imbalanced maps and imbalanced match-ups to get to his 'high' level of play. Sorry, but making roaches all game doesn't make you some tactical mastermind. Ever watch him in SPL? He gets raped routinely in the later stages of the game because his stupid roach pushes don't work and then he's shit out of luck.
Stephano again and again displays just how little of a fuck he gives about his team, and his personal image.
I'm still in shock that people like this fuckwad after he drank himself into a stupor and then puked all over the place at a professional event. Have you EVER heard of a professional doing this? Even if his tournament was over, he was all over the stream drunk as fuck, etc.
Now this non-sense again. When are people going to stop caring about this asshole and support players who actually care about their fans, their team, and their game?
Flippant, brash, and arrogant are all words that describe Stephano and his attitude towards eSports. He never regarded it as anything more than a way to not go to school, and make money. TBH, he isn't even THAT good. He abused imbalanced maps and imbalanced match-ups to get to his 'high' level of play. Sorry, but making roaches all game doesn't make you some tactical mastermind. Ever watch him in SPL? He gets raped routinely in the later stages of the game because his stupid roach pushes don't work and then he's shit out of luck.
TL;DR : Stephano sucks.
User was warned for this post
Haters gonna hate . . .
I'm happy that he'll compete in U/D Matches. Go Stephano! Guys like him make e-sports interesting.
On March 02 2013 02:16 Iplaythings wrote: Oh haters, coming out of the woodwork and now ever so silent
On March 02 2013 02:31 DMXD wrote: lol eat shit haters!!!
1. Stephano says he won't be playing the third round of GSL, after finally agreeing to accept his seed and messing up his first two rounds. 2. People are upset with this and both fanboys and anti-fans alike vent their frustration and opinions. 3. Community finds out that Stephano will actually be playing his GSL round, and that he just didn't know his full schedule at the time. 4. Therefore, haters of Stephano are assholes.
???
Yup exactly. It's not like he redeemed himself after making announcements without taking care of informing himself properly first. Just straight to twitter as soon as he made a decision.
What do you mean by "redeemed himself"? How anyone can be at all surprised that Stephano, a dude who mas made his flippancy clear from day one, prematurely tweeted an incorrect schedule conflict is beyond me.
Stephano always does this. he usually on facebook or twitter asking fans for his schedule on the day of matches. Your job is easy Stephano. Play starcraft and know your match ups and when it's played.
Stephano again and again displays just how little of a fuck he gives about his team, and his personal image.
I'm still in shock that people like this fuckwad after he drank himself into a stupor and then puked all over the place at a professional event. Have you EVER heard of a professional doing this? Even if his tournament was over, he was all over the stream drunk as fuck, etc.
Now this non-sense again. When are people going to stop caring about this asshole and support players who actually care about their fans, their team, and their game?
Flippant, brash, and arrogant are all words that describe Stephano and his attitude towards eSports. He never regarded it as anything more than a way to not go to school, and make money. TBH, he isn't even THAT good. He abused imbalanced maps and imbalanced match-ups to get to his 'high' level of play. Sorry, but making roaches all game doesn't make you some tactical mastermind. Ever watch him in SPL? He gets raped routinely in the later stages of the game because his stupid roach pushes don't work and then he's shit out of luck.
TL;DR : Stephano sucks.
User was warned for this post
Haters gonna hate . . .
I'm happy that he'll compete in U/D Matches. Go Stephano! Guys like him make e-sports interesting.
You got that right. I may not be a Stephano fanboy but it's fun having him in the mix of things. Wouldn't have it any other way!
Stephano again and again displays just how little of a fuck he gives about his team, and his personal image.
I'm still in shock that people like this fuckwad after he drank himself into a stupor and then puked all over the place at a professional event. Have you EVER heard of a professional doing this? Even if his tournament was over, he was all over the stream drunk as fuck, etc.
Now this non-sense again. When are people going to stop caring about this asshole and support players who actually care about their fans, their team, and their game?
Flippant, brash, and arrogant are all words that describe Stephano and his attitude towards eSports. He never regarded it as anything more than a way to not go to school, and make money. TBH, he isn't even THAT good. He abused imbalanced maps and imbalanced match-ups to get to his 'high' level of play. Sorry, but making roaches all game doesn't make you some tactical mastermind. Ever watch him in SPL? He gets raped routinely in the later stages of the game because his stupid roach pushes don't work and then he's shit out of luck.
On March 02 2013 02:54 Shantastic wrote: After the TL Mafia heard of Stephano's forfeit, they made a few phone calls, and the next morning, Ilyes woke up with a coolant-soaked, fried CPU in his bed.
Stephano learned his lesson and recovered his U&D berth. He never went against the family again.
Regardless if your a Stephano fan or not this is funny stuff :D
Stephano again and again displays just how little of a fuck he gives about his team, and his personal image.
I'm still in shock that people like this fuckwad after he drank himself into a stupor and then puked all over the place at a professional event. Have you EVER heard of a professional doing this? Even if his tournament was over, he was all over the stream drunk as fuck, etc.
Now this non-sense again. When are people going to stop caring about this asshole and support players who actually care about their fans, their team, and their game?
Flippant, brash, and arrogant are all words that describe Stephano and his attitude towards eSports. He never regarded it as anything more than a way to not go to school, and make money. TBH, he isn't even THAT good. He abused imbalanced maps and imbalanced match-ups to get to his 'high' level of play. Sorry, but making roaches all game doesn't make you some tactical mastermind. Ever watch him in SPL? He gets raped routinely in the later stages of the game because his stupid roach pushes don't work and then he's shit out of luck.
TL;DR : Stephano sucks.
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Doesn't stephano have a winning record in SPL?
Yep and probably the best of all EG-TL players if i remember correctly
Stephano again and again displays just how little of a fuck he gives about his team, and his personal image.
I'm still in shock that people like this fuckwad after he drank himself into a stupor and then puked all over the place at a professional event. Have you EVER heard of a professional doing this? Even if his tournament was over, he was all over the stream drunk as fuck, etc.
Now this non-sense again. When are people going to stop caring about this asshole and support players who actually care about their fans, their team, and their game?
Flippant, brash, and arrogant are all words that describe Stephano and his attitude towards eSports. He never regarded it as anything more than a way to not go to school, and make money. TBH, he isn't even THAT good. He abused imbalanced maps and imbalanced match-ups to get to his 'high' level of play. Sorry, but making roaches all game doesn't make you some tactical mastermind. Ever watch him in SPL? He gets raped routinely in the later stages of the game because his stupid roach pushes don't work and then he's shit out of luck.
TL;DR : Stephano sucks.
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... jaeh ... thinking you have to be on plane while up and down and be so nice to your fans to POST IT on tiwtter so they know early is REALLY giving a shit about fans ... man doesnt it ... hurt you ?
So because Stephano can take down top level Koreans, he clearly doesn't give a crap about the game and doesn't work hard and doesn't give a crap about his fans that provide his means of living.....
The flaw in logic there is profound and staggering, your posts are bad and you should feel bad
On March 02 2013 02:54 Shantastic wrote: After the TL Mafia heard of Stephano's forfeit, they made a few phone calls, and the next morning, Ilyes woke up with a coolant-soaked, fried CPU in his bed.
Stephano learned his lesson and recovered his U&D berth. He never went against the family again.
Stephano would see the CPU and be like, "what iz this?"
On March 02 2013 03:35 Chronald wrote: I'm still in shock that people like this fuckwad after he drank himself into a stupor and then puked all over the place at a professional event. Have you EVER heard of a professional doing this? Even if his tournament was over, he was all over the stream drunk as fuck, etc.
What is this ... NASCAR?!
GSL: How do you feel about your win today?
Stephano: Well first I'd like to thank Razor for this incredible mouse, (*casually draping mouse over his shoulder in front of the big RAZOR logo on his shirt*) Without it I would still be in Bronze most definitely.
I was a little behind in economy during the mid game but thankfully the Kingston X memory really kicked in at the crucial moment and allowed me to power drone and grab that crucial 3rd base .....
GSL: When MC did that ceremony before the match, did that make you vow to have revenge?
Stephano: Hey its all part of gaming! MC is a consummate professional on and off the screen. The most important thing to me is my fans. I do everything I do for them. (*faces camera and takes huge gulp of Monster Energy*) ......
lol man.
No thanks. I would rather much rather see a Stephano show up stone cold drunk to Proleague, all-kill KT, then stumble out on stage and moon the giggling k-girls hiding behind their little cardboard signs in the audience.
Its nice to see him still playing, I hope he has been still playing WOL. If he thought he wasn't playing anymore WOL a week or so ago I wonder if he will actually prepare much.
On March 02 2013 03:35 Chronald wrote: I'm still in shock that people like this fuckwad after he drank himself into a stupor and then puked all over the place at a professional event. Have you EVER heard of a professional doing this? Even if his tournament was over, he was all over the stream drunk as fuck, etc.
What is this ... NASCAR?!
GSL: How do you feel about your win today?
Stephano: Well first I'd like to thank Razor for this incredible mouse, (*casually draping mouse over his shoulder in front of the big RAZOR logo on his shirt*) Without it I would still be in Bronze most definitely.
I was a little behind in economy during the mid game but thankfully the Kingston X memory really kicked in at the crucial moment and allowed me to power drone and grab that crucial 3rd base .....
GSL: When MC did that ceremony before the match, did that make you vow to have revenge?
Stephano: Hey its all part of gaming! MC is a consummate professional on and off the screen. The most important thing to me is my fans. I do everything I do for them. (*faces camera and takes huge gulp of Monster Energy*) ......
lol man.
No thanks. I would rather much rather see a Stephano show up stone cold drunk to Proleague, all-kill KT, then stumble out on stage and moon the giggling k-girls hiding behind their little cardboard signs in the audience.
Now *thats* entertainment.
There's a difference between entertainment and professional entertainment
On March 02 2013 07:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote: this made my day 30 pages of kids crying and ripping gsl or stephano then boom just kidding im playing lol priceless
On March 02 2013 07:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote: this made my day 30 pages of kids crying and ripping gsl or stephano then boom just kidding im playing lol priceless
LOL 717 posts about absolutely nothing, this is literally the biggest waste of time in the world.
On March 02 2013 07:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote: this made my day 30 pages of kids crying and ripping gsl or stephano then boom just kidding im playing lol priceless
LOL 717 posts about absolutely nothing, this is literally the biggest waste of time in the world.
How can you literally waste time? Do you throw it in the garbage can when its still fresh or something?
On March 02 2013 07:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote: this made my day 30 pages of kids crying and ripping gsl or stephano then boom just kidding im playing lol priceless
LOL 717 posts about absolutely nothing, this is literally the biggest waste of time in the world.
How can you literally waste time? Do you throw it in the garbage can when its still fresh or something?
On March 02 2013 07:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote: this made my day 30 pages of kids crying and ripping gsl or stephano then boom just kidding im playing lol priceless
LOL 717 posts about absolutely nothing, this is literally the biggest waste of time in the world.
How can you literally waste time? Do you throw it in the garbage can when its still fresh or something?
Figuratively speaking
Figuratively literally, this is starting to become a big a mess
Wow, people refuse to read, or acknowledge the truth, would rather keep to their FLAT OUT WRONG statements and ignorance.
This thread reminds me that most people are .. well lets face it.. retarded.
Fully having all the facts about a particular subject (Rain/kespa/MLG consperiacy) and still sticking to the same bullshit statement that not only is totally wrong, but completely ignorant as well.
On March 02 2013 07:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote: this made my day 30 pages of kids crying and ripping gsl or stephano then boom just kidding im playing lol priceless
LOL 717 posts about absolutely nothing, this is literally the biggest waste of time in the world.
On March 02 2013 02:31 DMXD wrote: lol eat shit haters!!!
1. Stephano says he won't be playing the third round of GSL, after finally agreeing to accept his seed and messing up his first two rounds. 2. People are upset with this and both fanboys and anti-fans alike vent their frustration and opinions. 3. Community finds out that Stephano will actually be playing his GSL round, and that he just didn't know his full schedule at the time. 4. Therefore, haters of Stephano are assholes.
???
Read through just like 5-10 pages in the middle of this thread and tell me haters didn't go over the top.
I remember you as reasonable but not me referring to Anti-Stephano guys as assholes..
On March 04 2013 01:31 SupBrother wrote: JEEZ. just LB against him in every single match because I thought LB wasn't updated........ jeez. glad that he is playing though
I did the exact same thing. And i'm just out of top 100 -_-'
On March 04 2013 01:31 SupBrother wrote: JEEZ. just LB against him in every single match because I thought LB wasn't updated........ jeez. glad that he is playing though
On March 04 2013 01:31 SupBrother wrote: JEEZ. just LB against him in every single match because I thought LB wasn't updated........ jeez. glad that he is playing though
I did the exact same thing. And i'm just out of top 100 -_-'
I traded for paralyze on my FPL team cause I thought Stephano wouldn't show up...
I find it kind of comical that everyone thought he was dodging only to find out that he was just careless. Although, to be fair, he's had examples of both in the past. It'll still be nice to see him in up/downs no matter what.
Shit haha. I voted for my liquibets before i reread this article, and i thought they made a mistake by leaving him in there and voted against him every single game. Dayum.
On March 04 2013 01:31 SupBrother wrote: JEEZ. just LB against him in every single match because I thought LB wasn't updated........ jeez. glad that he is playing though
I did the exact same thing. And i'm just out of top 100 -_-'
I traded for paralyze on my FPL team cause I thought Stephano wouldn't show up...
I'm glad that I'm not the only one that made that mistake) well. I would rather see him advance though than my LB go through
On March 04 2013 02:52 Schelim wrote: maybe he saved your liquidbets... i don't want it to happen, but i think it's possible he'll go 0-4 in this group.
Ehh, Stephano got a pretty excellent group draw......
On March 04 2013 02:52 Schelim wrote: maybe he saved your liquidbets... i don't want it to happen, but i think it's possible he'll go 0-4 in this group.
On March 04 2013 02:52 Schelim wrote: maybe he saved your liquidbets... i don't want it to happen, but i think it's possible he'll go 0-4 in this group.
you are obviously delusional, he'll go 1-3
well, i think he'll go 2-2, just saying it's not impossible he'll go 0-4... i do want him to go 3-1 and advance behind MKP though
On March 01 2013 18:17 Mun_Su wrote: Grubby forfeit code A > that's minor, it's ok Grubby we love you ! <3
Stephano forfeit U&D > oh so silly Stephano we hate you ! è__é
He took his tickets before knowing the date of the U&Down, and maybe he was focused on HOTS. He doesn't like the GSL.
You should respect his decision instead of constant whining.
Why respect a sportsman's decision to quit on the best league in the world to play a less prestigious one?
The IEM world championship is not less prestigious than simply the up and down section of GSL. If he was forfeiting Code S you would have a point.
And if course it turns out this is all a moot point anyway.
I agree. People should be more critical of when Rain dropped code S at the last minute to play MLG Dallas.
People aren't more critical of this because the most likely scenario is he was forced by KeSPA to go to MLG.
Anyways, I feel it's a good thing that Stephano is playing the UnD matches. I still believe he takes it a bit lightly, considering the GSL as a whole is the most important title around.
Well, GL to him, I hope if he qualifies for Code S he doesn't end up giving his spot.
The foreigner seed is really the only viable way to get foreigners in code S.
Unless 50-100 of the best foreign players all permanently moved to korea, no ones going to come up through the code A qualifiers. The seed system is an acknowledgement that the logistics of the GSL precludes foreigners doing it "properly".
Though koreans are still like 5x better in the aggregate.
EPT
but i understand bigger chance is in IEM but GSL spots forfeit is some new style for top foreign players.
