• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:36
CEST 23:36
KST 06:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed18Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension3Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7
StarCraft 2
General
Who will win EWC 2025? Heaven's Balance Suggestions (roast me) Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Soulkey Muta Micro Map? BW General Discussion [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall
Tourneys
[BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2025 ACS Season 2 Qualifier CSL Xiamen International Invitational
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 700 users

[Correction] Stephano to play Up/Downs - Page 18

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 38 Next All
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
February 28 2013 21:53 GMT
#341
On March 01 2013 03:31 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 03:29 -IeZaeL- wrote:
lol... people flaming Stephano for this....hahahaha nice ignorants .

IEM : More money + 3 days
GSL: Less money + harder + a couple of months

Pick one


People want players to go after the glory, not the money.
But perhaps they don't actually when I think about it, since everyone hate Naniwa and everyone love Stephano.

I certainly want to see them go for the glory. Win all the foreign tournaments you want, but it's that 1 GSL title that will make a foreigner into an instant legend like Grrrr, where we still talk about them 10+ years after their accomplishment.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Bermuda
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium411 Posts
February 28 2013 21:54 GMT
#342

You don't get. It's GOM that has been disrespectful not Stephano. They GAVE hime a free spot. Implying he had not the skills to take it if he wanted to.

He felt rightfully insulted and left. So obvious :p

More seriously : 100.000$ on the line at IEM. That's a pretty easy choice...
KissMeRed
Profile Joined June 2012
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 21:55:06
February 28 2013 21:54 GMT
#343
On March 01 2013 06:38 lrofd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:32 KissMeRed wrote:
This is a new low for players forfeiting GSL spots.

Basically, the highest profile foreign player is trading a whole lot of respect to likely bomb out of IEM (full of top players) and collect ~ $1400. Really?


If he played U&D and made it back to code S, I wouldnt give him anymore respect than I already do. If he wins IEM, Ill respect him that much more.

By your logic, he's doing the most respectable thing possible here. Directly fighting for another championship title.


By my logic, he loses respect because working hard in Korea to qualify for and attempt to win the top SC2 tournament is more important than winning IEM.

My logic is my values. Your logic is your values. Don't mix them together.

Based on the other comments in this thread, do people not place as much value on competing in GSL anymore? Has the scene become that diluted?
MonsterJukeBox
Profile Joined March 2011
35 Posts
February 28 2013 21:56 GMT
#344
It's all about the money obviously. Can't really say I blame him.
Never know what hit 'em.
Crazylein
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4 Posts
February 28 2013 21:56 GMT
#345
At least good news for MKP
Flash FIGHTIN!
the.bishOp
Profile Joined July 2010
25 Posts
February 28 2013 21:57 GMT
#346
Why the hell would ANYONE choose GSL over the potential of a LOT of money?
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 22:00:24
February 28 2013 21:57 GMT
#347
On March 01 2013 06:50 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:45 StarVe wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:42 tshi wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote:
Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.

lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.

Meeting them in real life?

WOW WHAT A WEAK HANDSHAKE! Immediately lost all respect.


ORDERED A LIGHT BEER!!! All respect lost. Disappointed and disgusted.

WOAH DUDE, SHOUTING BACK AT ME! What are you, a barbarian?!?!
On March 01 2013 06:54 KissMeRed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:38 lrofd wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:32 KissMeRed wrote:
This is a new low for players forfeiting GSL spots.

Basically, the highest profile foreign player is trading a whole lot of respect to likely bomb out of IEM (full of top players) and collect ~ $1400. Really?


If he played U&D and made it back to code S, I wouldnt give him anymore respect than I already do. If he wins IEM, Ill respect him that much more.

By your logic, he's doing the most respectable thing possible here. Directly fighting for another championship title.


By my logic, he loses respect because working hard in Korea to qualify for and attempt to win the top SC2 tournament is more important than winning IEM.

My logic is my values. Your logic is your values. Don't mix them together.

Based on the other comments in this thread, do people not place as much value on competing in GSL anymore? Has the scene become that diluted?


GSL is still the biggest and most prestigious tournament out there, it's just that for some players it isn't the top priority.

Some foreign fans feel the same, too because they value the tournaments higher where they can see them, but I don't feel like GSL has lost it's appeal to the general public. Only the scene has gotten more busy and more tournaments have sprung up so schedule conflicts happen more often (regardless if it was avoidable in this case or not).
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2225 Posts
February 28 2013 21:58 GMT
#348
Good thing they don't give seeds to foreigners anymore, it's a shame how people like Stephano don't appreciate them while thousands of people would kill to get a seed.
Cogito, ergo Toss
nebula.
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Sweden1431 Posts
February 28 2013 21:58 GMT
#349
Not to throw shit at Stephano but doesn't he forfeit like ALOT of matches? iirc NASL etc..
I miss you July ~~~ I was in PonyTales #7 wooho!
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
February 28 2013 22:01 GMT
#350
On March 01 2013 06:54 KissMeRed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:38 lrofd wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:32 KissMeRed wrote:
This is a new low for players forfeiting GSL spots.

Basically, the highest profile foreign player is trading a whole lot of respect to likely bomb out of IEM (full of top players) and collect ~ $1400. Really?


If he played U&D and made it back to code S, I wouldnt give him anymore respect than I already do. If he wins IEM, Ill respect him that much more.

By your logic, he's doing the most respectable thing possible here. Directly fighting for another championship title.


By my logic, he loses respect because working hard in Korea to qualify for and attempt to win the top SC2 tournament is more important than winning IEM.

My logic is my values. Your logic is your values. Don't mix them together.

Based on the other comments in this thread, do people not place as much value on competing in GSL anymore? Has the scene become that diluted?

Does Stephano make this decision or is it an EG decision? The former would be understandable if Stephano thinks he has a higher chance of making money (as well as not having to practice WoL for the up and downs) at IEM. I don't know about the latter though.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 22:03:41
February 28 2013 22:02 GMT
#351
On March 01 2013 06:57 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:50 Plansix wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:45 StarVe wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:42 tshi wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote:
Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.

lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.

Meeting them in real life?

WOW WHAT A WEAK HANDSHAKE! Immediately lost all respect.


ORDERED A LIGHT BEER!!! All respect lost. Disappointed and disgusted.

WOAH DUDE, SHOUTING BACK AT ME! What are you, a barbarian?!?!


QUIT YOUR JOB AT A SCRAPPY NONPROFIT FOR A HIGHER PAYING JOB BECAUSE IT PROVIDES HEALTHCARE!!!! Disgusted and revolted by your loss of passion and clearly in it for the money.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
February 28 2013 22:02 GMT
#352
On March 01 2013 06:58 nebula. wrote:
Not to throw shit at Stephano but doesn't he forfeit like ALOT of matches? iirc NASL etc..

DRG forfeited more matches in NASL and I didn't see him getting any hate.
v_lm
Profile Joined September 2012
France202 Posts
February 28 2013 22:03 GMT
#353
On March 01 2013 02:59 Dotq wrote:
Fucking retarded by stephano.

They give him the best possible bracket, and hes not playing before thursday at IEM....

He knew about IEM weeks upfront, and yet cant inform GSL before brackets are out...

Just dont give foreigners special treatment in GSL anymore, im fucking tured of the forfeits.


Yeah I agree its really disappointing but not a bad move for himself.

Tbh i would not be surprised if he had planned his flight on purpose ignoring the u&d because he simply didnt want to play the u&d for a couple of reasons :

--> Thats on WoL and he has fully switched... GSL making WoL qualifications for an HotS tournament, kinda silly.
--> He doesnt want to play the GSL because it keeps you in korea week after week (what if he qualified ? the code S could overlap with MLG IPL Dreamhack etc.), these are prepared matches and hes not good at those.
---> He keeps a bitter memory of the days when he kept on flying around from tourneys to tourneys, getting tired and ending up winning nothing except the Lone Star Clash. He wants to be fully prepared for the IEM.

So retarded move or brilliant move ? will depend on his IEM performances.
A friend is someone you know well and still love.
MiQ
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada312 Posts
February 28 2013 22:03 GMT
#354
On March 01 2013 06:42 tshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote:
Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.

lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.


Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol
Tons of damage
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4404 Posts
February 28 2013 22:04 GMT
#355
Stephano always forfeits when he knows he is going to lose. He even forfeited from the first Iron Squid a French tournament because he knew he wouldn't be able to beat MMA.
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
February 28 2013 22:04 GMT
#356
Looking at this from his point of view, progamers have a limited time frame when they produce top results. He is just trying to make the most of the time he has. He hasn't been performing well in GSL anyway. I don't blame him. On the bright side, some hard working player will get an opportunity to move up and take his spot.
:)
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 28 2013 22:05 GMT
#357
On March 01 2013 07:03 MiQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:42 tshi wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote:
Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.

lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.


Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol


I will let you in on a secret:

They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
February 28 2013 22:07 GMT
#358
Really dissapointed in this decision of Stephano
gg no re #_< no1 Hydra and Leta fan >_#
lrofd
Profile Joined April 2011
United States187 Posts
February 28 2013 22:08 GMT
#359
On March 01 2013 07:01 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:54 KissMeRed wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:38 lrofd wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:32 KissMeRed wrote:
This is a new low for players forfeiting GSL spots.

Basically, the highest profile foreign player is trading a whole lot of respect to likely bomb out of IEM (full of top players) and collect ~ $1400. Really?


If he played U&D and made it back to code S, I wouldnt give him anymore respect than I already do. If he wins IEM, Ill respect him that much more.

By your logic, he's doing the most respectable thing possible here. Directly fighting for another championship title.


By my logic, he loses respect because working hard in Korea to qualify for and attempt to win the top SC2 tournament is more important than winning IEM.

My logic is my values. Your logic is your values. Don't mix them together.

Based on the other comments in this thread, do people not place as much value on competing in GSL anymore? Has the scene become that diluted?

Does Stephano make this decision or is it an EG decision? The former would be understandable if Stephano thinks he has a higher chance of making money (as well as not having to practice WoL for the up and downs) at IEM. I don't know about the latter though.


Either way, Stephano is doing the right thing. But some simple-minded ppl wont understand that
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4404 Posts
February 28 2013 22:08 GMT
#360
On March 01 2013 07:05 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 07:03 MiQ wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:42 tshi wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote:
Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him.

lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life.


Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol


I will let you in on a secret:

They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid.


The Korean B-teamers that have never made a dime but still put more hours in than they would have to work at a minimum wage job are in it for the money? Plenty of Koreans choose GSL over foreign tournaments even though the foreign tournaments would be easier money. Tons of great players still went to MLGs when they only had a 5k 1st place prize. Funnily enough Stephano is one of the players who dodged MLGs back then.
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 38 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL 2v2 ProLeague S3
20:00
LB FINAL
ZZZero.O205
Liquipedia
Epic.LAN
12:00
Epic.LAN 45 Playoffs Stage
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 275
CosmosSc2 85
BRAT_OK 80
JuggernautJason71
ForJumy 27
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 205
firebathero 192
Aegong 44
yabsab 17
Shine 13
Stormgate
TKL 109
NightEnD21
Dota 2
monkeys_forever515
canceldota199
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Grubby4846
Counter-Strike
fl0m2709
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu600
Trikslyr87
Other Games
tarik_tv20150
summit1g9906
Skadoodle148
ViBE28
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2110
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• sitaska55
• HeavenSC 51
• musti20045 35
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22449
Other Games
• imaqtpie2177
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
12h 25m
Online Event
18h 25m
Esports World Cup
2 days
ByuN vs Astrea
Lambo vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs TBD
Solar vs Zoun
SHIN vs Reynor
Maru vs TriGGeR
herO vs Lancer
Cure vs ShoWTimE
Esports World Cup
3 days
Esports World Cup
4 days
Esports World Cup
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
6 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
6 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

BSL 2v2 Season 3
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Xiamen Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2
Championship of Russia 2025
Underdog Cup #2
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.