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On February 24 2013 07:14 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 06:14 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 05:56 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 03:21 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 23 2013 15:00 Doodsmack wrote:On February 23 2013 10:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 23 2013 09:29 Doodsmack wrote:On February 23 2013 08:56 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 23 2013 08:42 Wingblade wrote:
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IPL IS NOT SHUTTING DOWN. The OP of the thread implies it, and multiple well-known people within IPL explicitly say it. They are not closing. Get it through your head. What about the word "possibly" do you not get? Reread my post. On February 23 2013 08:38 Plansix wrote:
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But is has nothing to do with SC2 at all, in any way. I could say that video games are a whole are falling apart because of all the news about closing studios, Iphones and other stuff and find tons of "evidence" to back up my claim. But it is simply not true. Businesses close, things change, people get fired and every time it happens people do not need to act like the sky is falling. This has all happened before and it will all happen again. Well I hope you're right. We will see I guess. You know nothing about what's going to happen to IPL or SC2, because you don't have enough information at your disposal. The fact that you've blurted out such silly evidence in this thread ("IdrA got 20k viewers once herp derp", "IGN stream has 400 viewers right now") just makes it painfully obvious that you don't have enough information. Please stop speculating that IPL and SC2 might die, and wait until you have enough information to do more than throw guesses out. It's just my opinion, no need to get upset dude. Saying "its just my opinion" is not a response to an argument you know. But it IS a response to someone that wasn't even attempting to debate and instead was just raging. Problem is that you don't have an argument either. You're just randomly implying that the sky is falling, and when people call you out on it, you're just saying "it's just my opinion" and "we'll see". Maybe you should reread some of my posts. I provided many different views on why I, and many others continually feel like the floor is bottoming out on the SC2 scene. Nice try though. Maybe you should reread my post. Your arguments are trying to extrapolate singular instances to an entire industry, while ignoring all the positive growth to accentuate the negative. When someone calls you out on it, you fall back on some vague excuses about how it's your opinion, or you were just considering the possibility. Your arguments were terrible. They are not singular instances if it's a growing trend, sorry. When you see the viewer numbers dropping consistently across all players and tournaments, then you see many pro players retiring/switching to other games, then you see many teams shutting down or merging with other teams.... Come on now, use some common sense.... The only thing that has gone up is the prize pool from Gom and Blizzard, which is mostly thanks to WoW. That has nothing to do with SC2 being hugely successful at this point in time. They're trying to cover the wound with cash money, that's all that is.
I literally linked you evidence that stream numbers are going up. Furthermore, it's to be expected some players are retiring, this doesn't mean that the scene is dying it just means they aren't getting the results they want and have decided to move on with their lives. Their is no esport large enough to support the number of players that SC2 was supporting, not LoL or Dota 2 or SC2. One day that will be the case, but we will have to wait for more team leagues and events that are less top heavy in prize pool to spring up.
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On February 24 2013 03:21 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 15:00 Doodsmack wrote:On February 23 2013 10:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 23 2013 09:29 Doodsmack wrote:On February 23 2013 08:56 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 23 2013 08:42 Wingblade wrote:On February 23 2013 08:30 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 23 2013 08:19 Fusilero wrote:On February 23 2013 07:11 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Man I'm on this site since a long, long time and it's always been quite negative, but the mood that is the SC2-"Community" is just sad and depressing.
Glad I'm not a part of it anymore whatsoever.
Look at yourselves guys, what the fuck.
There's people telling you, hey, we're all good 'n yet you ride the "EVERYTHINGS CRASHIN' 'N' BURNIN"-train for no apparent reason... jesus christ.. The destiny post is legitimately the single worst thing to ever happen to SC2. So shovel the blame all onto him then, eh? He totally had no reason to believe in the stuff he said in that post, it's all his fault. As I pointed out earlier, it's certainly not unreasonable at all to get this vibe that SC2 is falling apart. There is a lot of negative news going around, and it's not just the community. IPL possibly shutting its doors is certainly not helping the situation at all. IPL IS NOT SHUTTING DOWN. The OP of the thread implies it, and multiple well-known people within IPL explicitly say it. They are not closing. Get it through your head. What about the word "possibly" do you not get? Reread my post. On February 23 2013 08:38 Plansix wrote:On February 23 2013 08:30 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 23 2013 08:19 Fusilero wrote:On February 23 2013 07:11 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Man I'm on this site since a long, long time and it's always been quite negative, but the mood that is the SC2-"Community" is just sad and depressing.
Glad I'm not a part of it anymore whatsoever.
Look at yourselves guys, what the fuck.
There's people telling you, hey, we're all good 'n yet you ride the "EVERYTHINGS CRASHIN' 'N' BURNIN"-train for no apparent reason... jesus christ.. The destiny post is legitimately the single worst thing to ever happen to SC2. So shovel the blame all onto him then, eh? He totally had no reason to believe in the stuff he said in that post, it's all his fault. As I pointed out earlier, it's certainly not unreasonable at all to get this vibe that SC2 is falling apart. There is a lot of negative news going around, and it's not just the community. IPL possibly shutting its doors is certainly not helping the situation at all. But is has nothing to do with SC2 at all, in any way. I could say that video games are a whole are falling apart because of all the news about closing studios, Iphones and other stuff and find tons of "evidence" to back up my claim. But it is simply not true. Businesses close, things change, people get fired and every time it happens people do not need to act like the sky is falling. This has all happened before and it will all happen again. Well I hope you're right. We will see I guess. You know nothing about what's going to happen to IPL or SC2, because you don't have enough information at your disposal. The fact that you've blurted out such silly evidence in this thread ("IdrA got 20k viewers once herp derp", "IGN stream has 400 viewers right now") just makes it painfully obvious that you don't have enough information. Please stop speculating that IPL and SC2 might die, and wait until you have enough information to do more than throw guesses out. It's just my opinion, no need to get upset dude. Saying "its just my opinion" is not a response to an argument you know. But it IS a response to someone that wasn't even attempting to debate and instead was just raging.
1) not enough information, 2) flimsy evidence based on passing your mouse over the streams a couple times. You wouldn't cite 20k for IdrA if you were intent on presenting an intelligent argument. It's just speculation and no amount if being entitled to your opinion is going to elevate your statements above guess status.
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On February 24 2013 07:19 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:18 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 07:14 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 06:14 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 05:56 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 03:21 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 23 2013 15:00 Doodsmack wrote:On February 23 2013 10:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 23 2013 09:29 Doodsmack wrote:
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You know nothing about what's going to happen to IPL or SC2, because you don't have enough information at your disposal. The fact that you've blurted out such silly evidence in this thread ("IdrA got 20k viewers once herp derp", "IGN stream has 400 viewers right now") just makes it painfully obvious that you don't have enough information. Please stop speculating that IPL and SC2 might die, and wait until you have enough information to do more than throw guesses out. It's just my opinion, no need to get upset dude. Saying "its just my opinion" is not a response to an argument you know. But it IS a response to someone that wasn't even attempting to debate and instead was just raging. Problem is that you don't have an argument either. You're just randomly implying that the sky is falling, and when people call you out on it, you're just saying "it's just my opinion" and "we'll see". Maybe you should reread some of my posts. I provided many different views on why I, and many others continually feel like the floor is bottoming out on the SC2 scene. Nice try though. Maybe you should reread my post. Your arguments are trying to extrapolate singular instances to an entire industry, while ignoring all the positive growth to accentuate the negative. When someone calls you out on it, you fall back on some vague excuses about how it's your opinion, or you were just considering the possibility. Your arguments were terrible. They are not singular instances if it's a growing trend, sorry. As I said, you ignore all the positive growth to pretend that there is a trend. Nice dodge.
Actually, that's all there was in your post when I'd quoted it. Don't even pretend that you didn't edit in the rest of that block.
Viewership is up across the board, just not for individuals.
There are more tournaments in 2013 than in 2012.
Teams have closed and merged, but several teams have also started anew, and many are expanding (Root, Azubu, Acer, Axiom). Not even counting the Kespa move.
GOMs prize pool actually dropped in 2012, and the money from the WCS doesn't actually match that drop, yet prize money in 2012 still increased. So no, you have no clue about where that money came from or why it was put out there.
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Wow he did actually edit at in after the fact as well. Not only has every single one of your arguments been disproven, you now look like a dick.
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On February 24 2013 07:22 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:14 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 06:14 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 05:56 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 03:21 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 23 2013 15:00 Doodsmack wrote:On February 23 2013 10:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 23 2013 09:29 Doodsmack wrote:On February 23 2013 08:56 AnomalySC2 wrote:
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What about the word "possibly" do you not get? Reread my post.
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Well I hope you're right. We will see I guess. You know nothing about what's going to happen to IPL or SC2, because you don't have enough information at your disposal. The fact that you've blurted out such silly evidence in this thread ("IdrA got 20k viewers once herp derp", "IGN stream has 400 viewers right now") just makes it painfully obvious that you don't have enough information. Please stop speculating that IPL and SC2 might die, and wait until you have enough information to do more than throw guesses out. It's just my opinion, no need to get upset dude. Saying "its just my opinion" is not a response to an argument you know. But it IS a response to someone that wasn't even attempting to debate and instead was just raging. Problem is that you don't have an argument either. You're just randomly implying that the sky is falling, and when people call you out on it, you're just saying "it's just my opinion" and "we'll see". Maybe you should reread some of my posts. I provided many different views on why I, and many others continually feel like the floor is bottoming out on the SC2 scene. Nice try though. Maybe you should reread my post. Your arguments are trying to extrapolate singular instances to an entire industry, while ignoring all the positive growth to accentuate the negative. When someone calls you out on it, you fall back on some vague excuses about how it's your opinion, or you were just considering the possibility. Your arguments were terrible. They are not singular instances if it's a growing trend, sorry. When you see the viewer numbers dropping consistently across all players and tournaments, then you see many pro players retiring/switching to other games, then you see many teams shutting down or merging with other teams.... Come on now, use some common sense.... The only thing that has gone up is the prize pool from Gom and Blizzard, which is mostly thanks to WoW. That has nothing to do with SC2 being hugely successful at this point in time. They're trying to cover the wound with cash money, that's all that is. I literally linked you evidence that stream numbers are going up. Furthermore, it's to be expected some players are retiring, this doesn't mean that the scene is dying it just means they aren't getting the results they want and have decided to move on with their lives. Their is no esport large enough to support the number of players that SC2 was supporting, not LoL or Dota 2 or SC2. One day that will be the case, but we will have to wait for more team leagues and events that are less top heavy in prize pool to spring up.
That link only showed dreamhack's viewership increasing. What about all the other tournaments that are completely absent from that chart? The rest of the charts that were in your link were only showing an increase in the amount of money being pumped into the game. What an incredibly misleading and carefully biased chart that was.
On February 24 2013 07:27 kollin wrote:
Wow he did actually edit at in after the fact as well. Not only has every single one of your arguments been disproven, you now look like a dick.
No I edited in like 2 minutes after making the post. He must have spent forever writing his response. And you haven't disproven anything at all. All you're really doing is desperately attacking me.
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On February 24 2013 07:31 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:22 kollin wrote:On February 24 2013 07:14 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 06:14 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 05:56 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 03:21 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 23 2013 15:00 Doodsmack wrote:On February 23 2013 10:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 23 2013 09:29 Doodsmack wrote:
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You know nothing about what's going to happen to IPL or SC2, because you don't have enough information at your disposal. The fact that you've blurted out such silly evidence in this thread ("IdrA got 20k viewers once herp derp", "IGN stream has 400 viewers right now") just makes it painfully obvious that you don't have enough information. Please stop speculating that IPL and SC2 might die, and wait until you have enough information to do more than throw guesses out. It's just my opinion, no need to get upset dude. Saying "its just my opinion" is not a response to an argument you know. But it IS a response to someone that wasn't even attempting to debate and instead was just raging. Problem is that you don't have an argument either. You're just randomly implying that the sky is falling, and when people call you out on it, you're just saying "it's just my opinion" and "we'll see". Maybe you should reread some of my posts. I provided many different views on why I, and many others continually feel like the floor is bottoming out on the SC2 scene. Nice try though. Maybe you should reread my post. Your arguments are trying to extrapolate singular instances to an entire industry, while ignoring all the positive growth to accentuate the negative. When someone calls you out on it, you fall back on some vague excuses about how it's your opinion, or you were just considering the possibility. Your arguments were terrible. They are not singular instances if it's a growing trend, sorry. When you see the viewer numbers dropping consistently across all players and tournaments, then you see many pro players retiring/switching to other games, then you see many teams shutting down or merging with other teams.... Come on now, use some common sense.... The only thing that has gone up is the prize pool from Gom and Blizzard, which is mostly thanks to WoW. That has nothing to do with SC2 being hugely successful at this point in time. They're trying to cover the wound with cash money, that's all that is. I literally linked you evidence that stream numbers are going up. Furthermore, it's to be expected some players are retiring, this doesn't mean that the scene is dying it just means they aren't getting the results they want and have decided to move on with their lives. Their is no esport large enough to support the number of players that SC2 was supporting, not LoL or Dota 2 or SC2. One day that will be the case, but we will have to wait for more team leagues and events that are less top heavy in prize pool to spring up. That link only showed dreamhack's viewership increasing. What about all the other tournaments that are completely absent from that chart? The rest of the charts that were in your link were only showing an increase in the amount of money being pumped into the game. Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:27 kollin wrote:
Wow he did actually edit at in after the fact as well. Not only has every single one of your arguments been disproven, you now look like a dick. No I edited in like 2 minutes after making the post. He must have spent forever writing his response. And you haven't disproven anything at all. All you're really doing is desperately attacking me.
Sure his evidence doesn't apply to all tournaments but you don't have any evidence at all so i don't see how you can take that position.
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You edited it in the same minute that he posted his post, which is very suspicious. Furthermore, we have literally disproven everything you have said. Sundance went on SotG sometime recently and said viewership had risen, and the excellent points WolfInSheep made really go to prove that you're either trolling or backing down and admitting you're wrong wounds your manly pride.
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On February 24 2013 07:36 kollin wrote:
You edited it in the same minute that he posted his post, which is very suspicious. Furthermore, we have literally disproven everything you have said. Sundance went on SotG sometime recently and said viewership had risen, and the excellent points WolfInSheep made really go to prove that you're either trolling or backing down and admitting you're wrong wounds your manly pride.
Again, you haven't disproven anything. You're essentially just attacking me in an attempt to undermine my points. Your "evidence" is a sneaky chart that only shows viewer growth for one single tournament.
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On February 24 2013 07:38 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:36 kollin wrote:
You edited it in the same minute that he posted his post, which is very suspicious. Furthermore, we have literally disproven everything you have said. Sundance went on SotG sometime recently and said viewership had risen, and the excellent points WolfInSheep made really go to prove that you're either trolling or backing down and admitting you're wrong wounds your manly pride. Again, you haven't disproven anything. You're essentially just attacking me in an attempt to undermine my points.
What points would that be, could you summarizing them? aslo since you mention "evidence" could you supply them with a source and please specify how these sources are more legit than Dreamhack and sundance on STOG.
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The only thing that has gone up is the prize pool from Gom and Blizzard, which is mostly thanks to WoW. That has nothing to do with SC2 being hugely successful at this point in time. They're trying to cover the wound with cash money, that's all that is.
Disproven by WolfInSheep.
They are not singular instances if it's a growing trend, sorry. When you see the viewer numbers dropping consistently across all players and tournaments
You have not provided any evidence for this, whereas I have at least provided some.
then you see many pro players retiring/switching to other games, then you see many teams shutting down or merging with other teams
The scene was too over saturated to support all these players anyway. It's actually worse in LoL and Dota 2.
But please go on 
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On February 24 2013 07:41 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:38 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:36 kollin wrote:
You edited it in the same minute that he posted his post, which is very suspicious. Furthermore, we have literally disproven everything you have said. Sundance went on SotG sometime recently and said viewership had risen, and the excellent points WolfInSheep made really go to prove that you're either trolling or backing down and admitting you're wrong wounds your manly pride. Again, you haven't disproven anything. You're essentially just attacking me in an attempt to undermine my points. What points would that be, could you summarizing them? aslo since you mention "evidence" could you supply them with a source and please specify how these sources are more legit than Dreamhack and sundance on STOG.
How about the fact that right now there are only 3k viewers on twitch for WoL and 11k for HoTS. Is that enough to sustain the scene? This is, imo, why there has been so much negativity among the community and why so many teams/players are retiring. Thats it. I'm just using common sense and simple logic. It's quite obvious to me, at least.
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On February 24 2013 07:44 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:41 Integra wrote:On February 24 2013 07:38 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:36 kollin wrote:
You edited it in the same minute that he posted his post, which is very suspicious. Furthermore, we have literally disproven everything you have said. Sundance went on SotG sometime recently and said viewership had risen, and the excellent points WolfInSheep made really go to prove that you're either trolling or backing down and admitting you're wrong wounds your manly pride. Again, you haven't disproven anything. You're essentially just attacking me in an attempt to undermine my points. What points would that be, could you summarizing them? aslo since you mention "evidence" could you supply them with a source and please specify how these sources are more legit than Dreamhack and sundance on STOG. How about the fact that right now there are only 3k viewers on twitch for WoL and 11k for HoTS. Is that enough to sustain the scene? This is, imo, there has been so much negativity among the community and why so many teams/players are retiring. Thats it. I'm just using common sense and simple logic. It's quite obvious to me, at least.
So no sources, specific points or evidence. Just your own subjective speculative generalized view of the community as whole. Ya, this is solid alright, SC2 is dying you convinced me.
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On February 24 2013 07:44 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:41 Integra wrote:On February 24 2013 07:38 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:36 kollin wrote:
You edited it in the same minute that he posted his post, which is very suspicious. Furthermore, we have literally disproven everything you have said. Sundance went on SotG sometime recently and said viewership had risen, and the excellent points WolfInSheep made really go to prove that you're either trolling or backing down and admitting you're wrong wounds your manly pride. Again, you haven't disproven anything. You're essentially just attacking me in an attempt to undermine my points. What points would that be, could you summarizing them? aslo since you mention "evidence" could you supply them with a source and please specify how these sources are more legit than Dreamhack and sundance on STOG. How about the fact that right now there are only 3k viewers on twitch for WoL and 11k for HoTS. Is that enough to sustain the scene? This is, imo, why there has been so much negativity among the community and why so many teams/players are retiring. Thats it. I'm just using common sense and simple logic. It's quite obvious to me, at least.
The only tournament that isn't a rebroadcast going on right now is two show matches between non top tier players done by a fairly unknown organisation. The only two streamers streaming right now who really pull in the big numbers is Grubby and Idra. I'm just using common sense and logic here, it's quite obvious to me at least.
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On February 24 2013 07:46 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:44 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:41 Integra wrote:On February 24 2013 07:38 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:36 kollin wrote:
You edited it in the same minute that he posted his post, which is very suspicious. Furthermore, we have literally disproven everything you have said. Sundance went on SotG sometime recently and said viewership had risen, and the excellent points WolfInSheep made really go to prove that you're either trolling or backing down and admitting you're wrong wounds your manly pride. Again, you haven't disproven anything. You're essentially just attacking me in an attempt to undermine my points. What points would that be, could you summarizing them? aslo since you mention "evidence" could you supply them with a source and please specify how these sources are more legit than Dreamhack and sundance on STOG. How about the fact that right now there are only 3k viewers on twitch for WoL and 11k for HoTS. Is that enough to sustain the scene? This is, imo, there has been so much negativity among the community and why so many teams/players are retiring. Thats it. I'm just using common sense and simple logic. It's quite obvious to me, at least. So no sources, specific points or evidence. Just your own subjective speculative generalized view of the community as whole. Ya, this is solid alright, SC2 is dying you convinced me.
Uhhh the source is twitch, no? Go look for yourself.
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On February 24 2013 07:44 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:41 Integra wrote:On February 24 2013 07:38 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:36 kollin wrote:
You edited it in the same minute that he posted his post, which is very suspicious. Furthermore, we have literally disproven everything you have said. Sundance went on SotG sometime recently and said viewership had risen, and the excellent points WolfInSheep made really go to prove that you're either trolling or backing down and admitting you're wrong wounds your manly pride. Again, you haven't disproven anything. You're essentially just attacking me in an attempt to undermine my points. What points would that be, could you summarizing them? aslo since you mention "evidence" could you supply them with a source and please specify how these sources are more legit than Dreamhack and sundance on STOG. How about the fact that right now there are only 3k viewers on twitch for WoL and 11k for HoTS. Is that enough to sustain the scene? This is, imo, there has been so much negativity among the community and why so many teams/players are retiring. Thats it. I'm just using common sense and simple logic. It's quite obvious to me, at least.
14k Viewers with absolutely no tournaments or major events.
The players that retired never got stream viewers in the first place. If they quit because 50 viewers wasn't enough, they should have quit when they were getting 100.
Of the teams that closed, SlayerS was plagued with mismanagement and outright fraud, Eclypsia essentially the same, Quantic...well, Quantic is back. Please remind me of any other tem.
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On February 24 2013 07:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:46 Integra wrote:On February 24 2013 07:44 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:41 Integra wrote:On February 24 2013 07:38 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:36 kollin wrote:
You edited it in the same minute that he posted his post, which is very suspicious. Furthermore, we have literally disproven everything you have said. Sundance went on SotG sometime recently and said viewership had risen, and the excellent points WolfInSheep made really go to prove that you're either trolling or backing down and admitting you're wrong wounds your manly pride. Again, you haven't disproven anything. You're essentially just attacking me in an attempt to undermine my points. What points would that be, could you summarizing them? aslo since you mention "evidence" could you supply them with a source and please specify how these sources are more legit than Dreamhack and sundance on STOG. How about the fact that right now there are only 3k viewers on twitch for WoL and 11k for HoTS. Is that enough to sustain the scene? This is, imo, there has been so much negativity among the community and why so many teams/players are retiring. Thats it. I'm just using common sense and simple logic. It's quite obvious to me, at least. So no sources, specific points or evidence. Just your own subjective speculative generalized view of the community as whole. Ya, this is solid alright, SC2 is dying you convinced me. Uhhh the source is twitch, no? Go look for yourself.
By other words you have no real evidence to speak of. 
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On February 24 2013 07:50 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:46 Integra wrote:On February 24 2013 07:44 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:41 Integra wrote:On February 24 2013 07:38 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:36 kollin wrote:
You edited it in the same minute that he posted his post, which is very suspicious. Furthermore, we have literally disproven everything you have said. Sundance went on SotG sometime recently and said viewership had risen, and the excellent points WolfInSheep made really go to prove that you're either trolling or backing down and admitting you're wrong wounds your manly pride. Again, you haven't disproven anything. You're essentially just attacking me in an attempt to undermine my points. What points would that be, could you summarizing them? aslo since you mention "evidence" could you supply them with a source and please specify how these sources are more legit than Dreamhack and sundance on STOG. How about the fact that right now there are only 3k viewers on twitch for WoL and 11k for HoTS. Is that enough to sustain the scene? This is, imo, there has been so much negativity among the community and why so many teams/players are retiring. Thats it. I'm just using common sense and simple logic. It's quite obvious to me, at least. So no sources, specific points or evidence. Just your own subjective speculative generalized view of the community as whole. Ya, this is solid alright, SC2 is dying you convinced me. Uhhh the source is twitch, no? Go look for yourself. By other words you have no real evidence to speak of.
Nor do you, and are you implying twitch is like, making those numbers up or something? What are we even arguing about at this point? This has gotten silly. You will no doubt take this as me somehow admitting you proved me wrong or some bs like that (you haven't btw, you just attack me with your 3 other buddies), but this is going nowhere.
Lets let time decide if Blizzard can fix their game and the scene. I'm under the impression that they can't, sorry, they are not the same company I loved growing up. They have been screwing up all their games lately.
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On February 24 2013 07:54 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:50 Integra wrote:On February 24 2013 07:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:46 Integra wrote:On February 24 2013 07:44 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:41 Integra wrote:On February 24 2013 07:38 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:36 kollin wrote:
You edited it in the same minute that he posted his post, which is very suspicious. Furthermore, we have literally disproven everything you have said. Sundance went on SotG sometime recently and said viewership had risen, and the excellent points WolfInSheep made really go to prove that you're either trolling or backing down and admitting you're wrong wounds your manly pride. Again, you haven't disproven anything. You're essentially just attacking me in an attempt to undermine my points. What points would that be, could you summarizing them? aslo since you mention "evidence" could you supply them with a source and please specify how these sources are more legit than Dreamhack and sundance on STOG. How about the fact that right now there are only 3k viewers on twitch for WoL and 11k for HoTS. Is that enough to sustain the scene? This is, imo, there has been so much negativity among the community and why so many teams/players are retiring. Thats it. I'm just using common sense and simple logic. It's quite obvious to me, at least. So no sources, specific points or evidence. Just your own subjective speculative generalized view of the community as whole. Ya, this is solid alright, SC2 is dying you convinced me. Uhhh the source is twitch, no? Go look for yourself. By other words you have no real evidence to speak of. Nor do you, and are you implying twitch is like, making those numbers up or something? What are we even arguing about at this point? This has gotten silly. You will no doubt take this as me somehow admitting you proved me wrong or some bs like that (you haven't btw, you just attack me with your 3 other buddies), but this is going nowhere. Lets let time decide if Blizzard can fix their game and the scene. I'm under the impression that they can't, sorry, they are not the same company I loved growing up. They have been screwing up all their games lately.
Interesting how you managed to skip past my post where I showed how not once, not twice but thrice we proved you wrong. Furthermore, you ignored the 2 posts explaining why the viewers won't be insanely high, just to pick on this one. Almost as if you don't want to answer them...
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On February 24 2013 07:54 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:50 Integra wrote:On February 24 2013 07:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:46 Integra wrote:On February 24 2013 07:44 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:41 Integra wrote:On February 24 2013 07:38 AnomalySC2 wrote:On February 24 2013 07:36 kollin wrote:
You edited it in the same minute that he posted his post, which is very suspicious. Furthermore, we have literally disproven everything you have said. Sundance went on SotG sometime recently and said viewership had risen, and the excellent points WolfInSheep made really go to prove that you're either trolling or backing down and admitting you're wrong wounds your manly pride. Again, you haven't disproven anything. You're essentially just attacking me in an attempt to undermine my points. What points would that be, could you summarizing them? aslo since you mention "evidence" could you supply them with a source and please specify how these sources are more legit than Dreamhack and sundance on STOG. How about the fact that right now there are only 3k viewers on twitch for WoL and 11k for HoTS. Is that enough to sustain the scene? This is, imo, there has been so much negativity among the community and why so many teams/players are retiring. Thats it. I'm just using common sense and simple logic. It's quite obvious to me, at least. So no sources, specific points or evidence. Just your own subjective speculative generalized view of the community as whole. Ya, this is solid alright, SC2 is dying you convinced me. Uhhh the source is twitch, no? Go look for yourself. By other words you have no real evidence to speak of. Nor do you, and are you implying twitch is like, making those numbers up or something? What are we even arguing about at this point? This has gotten silly. You will no doubt take this as me somehow admitting you proved me wrong or some bs like that (you haven't btw, you just attack me with your 3 other buddies), but this is going nowhere. Lets let time decide if Blizzard can fix their game and the scene. I'm under the impression that they can't, sorry, they are not the same company I loved growing up. They have been screwing up all their games lately.
Let's be clear here: Twitch numbers do not explain why players retired or why teams closed up shopped. You assumed both of those.
You provided no evidence for you assumptions, just gave numbers and pretended that they were relevant.
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