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On February 13 2013 17:56 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 17:51 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 17:38 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK. You can't deny that at least some of the horror stories are true, like how they almost DQed Stephano, and did actually DQed Leta. Stephano got a warning and that's it. "Almost got DQed" and "didn't get DQeed because of his opponent" is pure speculation at this point. And they actually changed the rules after the GG incidents prior to Stephano. The rules were created for a reason, as bullshit as they look on paper. I'd be more concerned if they don't enforce their own rules (very detrimental to the rules authority) rather than learn and adapt after the fact. I am just glad you aren't my professor.
You need him as your professor, or you won't go anywhere in life.
+ Show Spoiler +KeSPA doesn't just have rules about Starcraft, they have rules about professionalism. Whether or not you agree with them, they have plenty of sense to them, and that's that. Unlike other organizations, they'd like people working in their company to not only play like professionals, but also act and look like professionals.
Now, that aside, put whether or not you agree with the rules aside and look at mere facts. Would you rather an organization completely disregard rules and act as if no rules were in place to begin with? Or would you rather organizations follow the rules that they set for their own specific reasons?
Remember, you can only choose 1 of the 2.
Just a wake up call, those players actually work for KeSPA. They play for their teams which are KeSPA run. Many things are run like this in Korea, not just KeSPA, and not just eSports, but other professions as well. They have simple rules built into them that they have to follow. If a player like Leta disregards basic fundamentals that are built into his brain through contract, and that he has practiced over and over again, then they receive a penalty.
If you flop in basketball (pretend to get fouled when you didn't) you get a nasty fine slapped on you. The same happens to many other penalties you can accumulate.
If you want Stephano to get away without even a warning, and Leta to get away from breaking simple rules, then you want to ruin eSports' credibility and professionalism.
KeSPA has their shit down, and even though they do make mistakes (obviously), they are the closest thing to professionalism eSports has. They should be a model (note, a MODEL, as in something to be modeled after, not exactly copied) to all eSports organizations, and other organizations in general.
Spoiled due to being not being closely tied with the topic.
KeSPA ain't no dark side fellas. Regardless, we all need GOM to thrive, so we should all be happy for eSF in this case.
Honestly, even though I would have liked them to join KeSPA, joining eSF benefits their team more.
/brighter side of things
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On February 13 2013 18:11 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 17:56 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:51 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 17:38 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK. You can't deny that at least some of the horror stories are true, like how they almost DQed Stephano, and did actually DQed Leta. Stephano got a warning and that's it. "Almost got DQed" and "didn't get DQeed because of his opponent" is pure speculation at this point. And they actually changed the rules after the GG incidents prior to Stephano. The rules were created for a reason, as bullshit as they look on paper. I'd be more concerned if they don't enforce their own rules (very detrimental to the rules authority) rather than learn and adapt after the fact. I am just glad you aren't my professor. You need him as your professor, or you won't go anywhere in life. + Show Spoiler +KeSPA doesn't just have rules about Starcraft, they have rules about professionalism. Whether or not you agree with them, they have plenty of sense to them, and that's that. Unlike other organizations, they'd like people working in their company to not only play like professionals, but also act and look like professionals.
Now, that aside, put whether or not you agree with the rules aside and look at mere facts. Would you rather an organization completely disregard rules and act as if no rules were in place to begin with? Or would you rather organizations follow the rules that they set for their own specific reasons?
Remember, you can only choose 1 of the 2.
Just a wake up call, those players actually work for KeSPA. They play for their teams which are KeSPA run. Many things are run like this in Korea, not just KeSPA, and not just eSports, but other professions as well. They have simple rules built into them that they have to follow. If a player like Leta disregards basic fundamentals that are built into his brain through contract, and that he has practiced over and over again, then they receive a penalty.
If you flop in basketball (pretend to get fouled when you didn't) you get a nasty fine slapped on you. The same happens to many other penalties you can accumulate.
If you want Stephano to get away without even a warning, and Leta to get away from breaking simple rules, then you want to ruin eSports' credibility and professionalism.
KeSPA has their shit down, and even though they do make mistakes (obviously), they are the closest thing to professionalism eSports has. They should be a model (note, a MODEL, as in something to be modeled after, not exactly copied) to all eSports organizations, and other organizations in general. Spoiled due to being not being closely tied with the topic. KeSPA ain't no dark side fellas. Regardless, we all need GOM to thrive, so we should all be happy for eSF in this case. Honestly, even though I would have liked them to join KeSPA, joining eSF benefits their team more. /brighter side of things
No you don't. I don't think many professors will fail their students for not showing up at an exam if they got into a serious car crash, even if the rules say so. Not that I think eSF's are saints of anything (they have their own sets of problems), but KeSPA comes to me as too bureaucratic.
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On February 13 2013 18:13 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 18:11 Shinta) wrote:On February 13 2013 17:56 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:51 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 17:38 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK. You can't deny that at least some of the horror stories are true, like how they almost DQed Stephano, and did actually DQed Leta. Stephano got a warning and that's it. "Almost got DQed" and "didn't get DQeed because of his opponent" is pure speculation at this point. And they actually changed the rules after the GG incidents prior to Stephano. The rules were created for a reason, as bullshit as they look on paper. I'd be more concerned if they don't enforce their own rules (very detrimental to the rules authority) rather than learn and adapt after the fact. I am just glad you aren't my professor. You need him as your professor, or you won't go anywhere in life. + Show Spoiler +KeSPA doesn't just have rules about Starcraft, they have rules about professionalism. Whether or not you agree with them, they have plenty of sense to them, and that's that. Unlike other organizations, they'd like people working in their company to not only play like professionals, but also act and look like professionals.
Now, that aside, put whether or not you agree with the rules aside and look at mere facts. Would you rather an organization completely disregard rules and act as if no rules were in place to begin with? Or would you rather organizations follow the rules that they set for their own specific reasons?
Remember, you can only choose 1 of the 2.
Just a wake up call, those players actually work for KeSPA. They play for their teams which are KeSPA run. Many things are run like this in Korea, not just KeSPA, and not just eSports, but other professions as well. They have simple rules built into them that they have to follow. If a player like Leta disregards basic fundamentals that are built into his brain through contract, and that he has practiced over and over again, then they receive a penalty.
If you flop in basketball (pretend to get fouled when you didn't) you get a nasty fine slapped on you. The same happens to many other penalties you can accumulate.
If you want Stephano to get away without even a warning, and Leta to get away from breaking simple rules, then you want to ruin eSports' credibility and professionalism.
KeSPA has their shit down, and even though they do make mistakes (obviously), they are the closest thing to professionalism eSports has. They should be a model (note, a MODEL, as in something to be modeled after, not exactly copied) to all eSports organizations, and other organizations in general. Spoiled due to being not being closely tied with the topic. KeSPA ain't no dark side fellas. Regardless, we all need GOM to thrive, so we should all be happy for eSF in this case. Honestly, even though I would have liked them to join KeSPA, joining eSF benefits their team more. /brighter side of things No you don't. I don't think many professors will fail their students for not showing up at an exam if they got into a serious car crash, even if the rules say so.
More likely than not, there is a rule stating how and why to allow taking a missed exam. Under which a serious car accident is perfectly reasonable.
Rules evolve. Even KeSPA's.
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On February 13 2013 18:17 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 18:13 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 18:11 Shinta) wrote:On February 13 2013 17:56 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:51 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 17:38 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK. You can't deny that at least some of the horror stories are true, like how they almost DQed Stephano, and did actually DQed Leta. Stephano got a warning and that's it. "Almost got DQed" and "didn't get DQeed because of his opponent" is pure speculation at this point. And they actually changed the rules after the GG incidents prior to Stephano. The rules were created for a reason, as bullshit as they look on paper. I'd be more concerned if they don't enforce their own rules (very detrimental to the rules authority) rather than learn and adapt after the fact. I am just glad you aren't my professor. You need him as your professor, or you won't go anywhere in life. + Show Spoiler +KeSPA doesn't just have rules about Starcraft, they have rules about professionalism. Whether or not you agree with them, they have plenty of sense to them, and that's that. Unlike other organizations, they'd like people working in their company to not only play like professionals, but also act and look like professionals.
Now, that aside, put whether or not you agree with the rules aside and look at mere facts. Would you rather an organization completely disregard rules and act as if no rules were in place to begin with? Or would you rather organizations follow the rules that they set for their own specific reasons?
Remember, you can only choose 1 of the 2.
Just a wake up call, those players actually work for KeSPA. They play for their teams which are KeSPA run. Many things are run like this in Korea, not just KeSPA, and not just eSports, but other professions as well. They have simple rules built into them that they have to follow. If a player like Leta disregards basic fundamentals that are built into his brain through contract, and that he has practiced over and over again, then they receive a penalty.
If you flop in basketball (pretend to get fouled when you didn't) you get a nasty fine slapped on you. The same happens to many other penalties you can accumulate.
If you want Stephano to get away without even a warning, and Leta to get away from breaking simple rules, then you want to ruin eSports' credibility and professionalism.
KeSPA has their shit down, and even though they do make mistakes (obviously), they are the closest thing to professionalism eSports has. They should be a model (note, a MODEL, as in something to be modeled after, not exactly copied) to all eSports organizations, and other organizations in general. Spoiled due to being not being closely tied with the topic. KeSPA ain't no dark side fellas. Regardless, we all need GOM to thrive, so we should all be happy for eSF in this case. Honestly, even though I would have liked them to join KeSPA, joining eSF benefits their team more. /brighter side of things No you don't. I don't think many professors will fail their students for not showing up at an exam if they got into a serious car crash, even if the rules say so. More likely than not, there is a rule stating how and why to allow taking a missed exam. Under which a serious car accident is perfectly reasonable. Rules evolve. Even KeSPA's.
Only after screwing over someone first. It should have been amended on the spot.
It's probably because I am a math/CS major. We weren't particularly tight on rules, even for exams at times.
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Didn't take long for this to turn in to a KeSPA/eSF mudslinging contest, lol.
I'm only gonna assume that GOM is expanding to other games with the switch of studio and Azubu sees the worth in associating themselves with them. Azubu's LoL-teams left for CJ recently and to think that the organisation that sponsored the two first OGN The Champions tournaments wouldn't keep on supporting LoL is ridiculous.
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On February 13 2013 18:22 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 18:17 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 18:13 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 18:11 Shinta) wrote:On February 13 2013 17:56 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:51 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 17:38 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK. You can't deny that at least some of the horror stories are true, like how they almost DQed Stephano, and did actually DQed Leta. Stephano got a warning and that's it. "Almost got DQed" and "didn't get DQeed because of his opponent" is pure speculation at this point. And they actually changed the rules after the GG incidents prior to Stephano. The rules were created for a reason, as bullshit as they look on paper. I'd be more concerned if they don't enforce their own rules (very detrimental to the rules authority) rather than learn and adapt after the fact. I am just glad you aren't my professor. You need him as your professor, or you won't go anywhere in life. + Show Spoiler +KeSPA doesn't just have rules about Starcraft, they have rules about professionalism. Whether or not you agree with them, they have plenty of sense to them, and that's that. Unlike other organizations, they'd like people working in their company to not only play like professionals, but also act and look like professionals.
Now, that aside, put whether or not you agree with the rules aside and look at mere facts. Would you rather an organization completely disregard rules and act as if no rules were in place to begin with? Or would you rather organizations follow the rules that they set for their own specific reasons?
Remember, you can only choose 1 of the 2.
Just a wake up call, those players actually work for KeSPA. They play for their teams which are KeSPA run. Many things are run like this in Korea, not just KeSPA, and not just eSports, but other professions as well. They have simple rules built into them that they have to follow. If a player like Leta disregards basic fundamentals that are built into his brain through contract, and that he has practiced over and over again, then they receive a penalty.
If you flop in basketball (pretend to get fouled when you didn't) you get a nasty fine slapped on you. The same happens to many other penalties you can accumulate.
If you want Stephano to get away without even a warning, and Leta to get away from breaking simple rules, then you want to ruin eSports' credibility and professionalism.
KeSPA has their shit down, and even though they do make mistakes (obviously), they are the closest thing to professionalism eSports has. They should be a model (note, a MODEL, as in something to be modeled after, not exactly copied) to all eSports organizations, and other organizations in general. Spoiled due to being not being closely tied with the topic. KeSPA ain't no dark side fellas. Regardless, we all need GOM to thrive, so we should all be happy for eSF in this case. Honestly, even though I would have liked them to join KeSPA, joining eSF benefits their team more. /brighter side of things No you don't. I don't think many professors will fail their students for not showing up at an exam if they got into a serious car crash, even if the rules say so. More likely than not, there is a rule stating how and why to allow taking a missed exam. Under which a serious car accident is perfectly reasonable. Rules evolve. Even KeSPA's. Only after screwing over someone first. It should have been amended on the spot. It's probably because I am a math/CS major. We weren't particularly tight on rules, even for exams at times.
This and all arguing won´t help: time will tell how the eSF will fair in comparison. After all it is not everyday that a strong team is created.
(Sorry for my bad English, I am no native)
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wow...eSF has AZUBU on their side...lots of good players on that team.
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I think Gom vs Kespa is good. Competition is good
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On February 13 2013 18:11 Shinta) wrote:
KeSPA ain't no dark side fellas. Regardless, we all need GOM to thrive, so we should all be happy for eSF in this case.
Honestly, even though I would have liked them to join KeSPA, joining eSF benefits their team more.
/brighter side of things
end of discussion. Sure, KeSPA has done things in the past that have looked, to outside parties to be "hurting eSPORTS" or selfish, or even downright wrong - but KeSPA has always stood by the same principles. When they set a rule they enforce it, and they do so the same for tbls and other star players as they do for some rookie no one has ever heard of. In dealing with other companies (because they are a company) they consistently defend their interests and profitability - you can't expect anything more.
If azubu would have joined keSPA, life would have gone on and we would be able to see another team in proleague (which would be awesome). Fortunately, they joined eSF which is an even bigger deal - it lends credibility and stability to the organization, and it keeps gom and the GSTL going strong. There really was no wrong choice here for eSPORTS - the viewers could only win in the end.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On one hand, I think it's sad that AZUBU didn't join KeSPA so they could play in Proleague - I wouldn't mind one or two more teams in PL for increased "depth". On the other hand, I think this is great both for eSF and AZUBU's players, considering the existence of "eSF seeds" in a lot of premier tournaments. Also, good to see a team joining eSF and not disbanding - haven't had that in a while.
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I think it's kind of funny that viOlet was the singular AZUBU SC2 player for a long time, and has become a monster, yet he is not mentioned as one of the players...
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The Force is strong with this one..
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Austria24417 Posts
Seems natural, all these guys were eSF players before.
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Good to read this, making eSF slightly stronger to keep somewhat at pace with Kespa who have done this for ages.
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On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK.
That's quite the opposite actually... Lol.
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Very excited to hear this news.
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It's good to see a big, new team join eSF. I don't know if they tried to join Kespa and got rejected or anything but I think it's good that not all teams are aiming to join Kespa.
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On February 13 2013 14:34 BrokenMirage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 14:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Not surprising since they were already playing in GSTL Meh. SlayerS never joined the eSF, and with what happened between SlayerS and the eSF, I don't expect Axiom to.
eSF have probably learned their lesson. I really hope TotalBiscuit and Inticracy consider joining even if just under Axiom's banner.
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