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What does "Code S level" mean? - Page 5
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BadAim
Norway879 Posts
Ugh... Stop the hate. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On February 02 2013 01:48 TheBB wrote: It was a rhetorical question. Just so that's clear.  On February 02 2013 01:48 TheBB wrote: Is Stephano Code S level or not? So I thought, well, with my statistical model I can maybe answer that question in an objective manner, so here's what I've done. ??? | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On February 02 2013 03:15 Naphal wrote: never trust statistics you have not manipulated yourself <3 Mvp I would put this a little differently. Statisticians and artists have a bad habit of falling in love with their models. | ||
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kc2siq
United States319 Posts
That's actually what I thought the thread was going to talk about considering the title. xD Though only way possible is to get GOM to state a standard. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On February 02 2013 03:32 kc2siq wrote: Maybe we should define what's Code S level first. That's actually what I thought the thread was going to talk about considering the title. xD Though only way possible is to get GOM to state a standard. They already have a points system but it only accounts for their tournament, not every game a player plays in a tournament. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On February 02 2013 02:10 Figgy wrote: These stats are worthless. You need to compare players games vs other Code S players ONLY for these to make any difference. First beating on some random foreign scrubs does not mean he'll win 22 out of 31 games against every Code S player in a row. It means he'll win 22 out of 31 games against random foreign scrubs with a couple high level koreans in the middle. Foreign results are part of why these ratings are currently a joke, because foreigners get such high elo beating unknown foreigners due to lack of games. Also, lulz on counting games that are over 1 year old. Like any of those matter. Anyone seriously think Johnyrecco is going to win 1/3rd of his Code S games? Of course fucking not, he is going to go 0-4 and get laughed out of korea. Just like these stats. Has he even played a single Code S player in his career??? How can you possibly say he'd ever even take a game off a Korean let alone 1/3rd of his games in Code S. TLO is an even bigger joke, according to these Statistics he would make it out of his group with a 50/50 chance. You NEED to adjust your stats to only include people who have at least 15 games against current Code S players in the last 6 months. Otherwise these stats are trash. Also, based off your points system only the top 16 should only have even a tiny bit of a chance of being above a 16 rating (because that's half the games played vs Code S players and the only amount possible to make it out), and no one below the top 32 should have above a .5 rating (1 in 32 chance of winning a game). I seriously don't even know how you came up with this BS because the statistics are completely whack. Your current statistics is comparing all 150 people against all 150 people, instead of the top 32 against the rest. Honestly, who cares how many people crush TLO or Johnnyrecco. We are talking about Code S Maybe, just maybe, you should read up a little on what TheBB did here before you trash his work? | ||
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kc2siq
United States319 Posts
On February 02 2013 03:37 IntoTheheart wrote: They already have a points system but it only accounts for their tournament, not every game a player plays in a tournament. Yeah, but it's not like they created a cutoff at the points system to determine who's "Code S level". If they did then ignore my stupidity. lawls. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
Rhetorical question = you ask a question but do not expect an answer, because you go on to either answer the question your self or you imply that the answer is so obvious that the question does not need answering. It was clearly a rhetorical question. The definition you gave in your answer is of course also a valid one, but with the statistical data he gathered, he just tried to give another viewpoint on this  I found his work very interesting! | ||
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
It was invented in the sixties for chess and that shows. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 02 2013 03:20 BadAim wrote: Love the work you've put in, but tbh "Code S" haven't been "Code S" since the bw days. I mean c'mon, one season they're "Code S champion", the next season they go out in ro32. Ugh... Stop the hate. Wasn't there an OSL Winners' Curse too, though? | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
On February 01 2013 22:28 Ghanburighan wrote: And one of them is Maru... I love the kid, but he's artificially boosted as well. Heh, protoss can't wait for HoTs... 14 protoss in the top 50.... Heh, terran can't wait for HoTs.... 15 terran in the top 50.... see what i did there? btw great work, nice to see GSL code S really is the best of the best. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
B Class or B-Teamers - Practice Partners A Class - A-Teamers - A teams best starting line up players S Class - S-Class - The absolute best. S-Class players make A-Teamers look like B-Teamers I believe the whole Code system is messed up and the class system is a better way of determining a players skill level. Simply because in order to be a "Code" you would have had to play in the GSL. You can be beating Code S players left and right outside of GSL and still not be labeled Code S just because you haven't made an appearance in the GSL. So, it's really conflicting and I wish we'd stop referring to the Code System when determining a players skill level. Because a player can be in Code S one season and back in Code A the next to being Code B the next. But still own Code S players outside the GSL. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
But in my opinion, it is a bit wrong to put every tournament- online and off-line, on the same level because there are so many factors that can change the results. Plus, because SC2 is a more volatile game than BW, it has a lot less of the consistency and skill that marked BW differently from SC2. Now comparing these two is a different topic all together, but it is important to note that Code S is such an unstable title because Code S Koreans get upset or defeated constantly, when in BW they would absolutely dominate any foreigner. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On February 02 2013 04:47 BlazeFury01 wrote: Code S is just a name that GOM created for the best SC2 players. I personally don't like it because it conflicts with the BW classes which better describe a player type. B Class or B-Teamers - Practice Partners A Class - A-Teamers - A teams best starting line up players S Class - S-Class - The absolute best. S-Class players make A-Teamers look like B-Teamers I believe the whole Code system is messed up and the class system is a better way of determining a players skill level. Simply because in order to be a "Code" you would have had to play in the GSL. You can be beating Code S players left and right outside of GSL and still not be labeled Code S just because you haven't made it there in the GSL. So, it's really conflicting and I wish we'd stop referring to the Code System. i agree, gom depreciated the value of the word there was a time when "s" was associated with only a handful of most elite players... "S Class - S-Class - The absolute best. S-Class players make A-Teamers look like B-Teamers" sadly that will never happen with sc2 | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
Given those caveats, I'd say the ranking given here is surprisingly accurate. | ||
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zala2023
United States228 Posts
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On February 02 2013 04:57 zala2023 wrote: I suppose if u can beat ST_Curious (the code s gate keeper) in a BO3 or BO5 you are code S level? See this example right here is a good example just how messed up the whole "code" system is. | ||
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willyallthewei
United States265 Posts
As for defining what code S means, its quite simple, if you qualify for Code A without a seed (the old fashioned way), then your'e unquestionably code S level because you've essentially grinded your way through a pool that includes everyone else trying to do the same. If you got seeded in, then it gets kind of tricky to say. | ||
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Zer atai
United States691 Posts
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