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LJ
203 Posts
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CanadianSC
Canada53 Posts
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t e a C h e r
Canada151 Posts
On January 30 2013 03:54 CanadianSC wrote: you're really complaining that his named account is low? As his room mate I can tell you that he uses 2 smurfs and then has the main. Main is for tournaments, 1 smurf for trying new builds/timings, 1 to try to ez that ladder. GL, and good on Torte de Lini for offering up a place. Hope nubrgini takes it. If he was a GM player, he would have his main/named account in GM right? Come on dude make sense... Why he smurfin if he aint even high mater? I doubt his smurfs have high master points. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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Robo Gunner
United States2 Posts
I have with the vVv team since July. My goal for joining vVv gaming was to join the Aspire team so that i could improve and maybe be sponsored someday and follow that dream that all video game lovers want and that is become good at their game and here there named cheered when on that big stage. Unfortunately the protoss section of the team was filled and i was left out for some time. for several months if you were not in the aspire team all you did nothing sc2 related with vVv. The aspire members that were at the same level as me at the time were too busy to play or hang out. The only thing that i got of being a part of vVv at that time was just the tag that was attached to my name. I tried to set up in house tournaments to have the community members come together and have the community become more of a family. I talked to SugarBear who was the sc2 manager at the time and he said that its a good idea but people rarely show up. He was right but i feel that someone that has more power or more influence in the situation could have taken charge and designed ways for the sc2 community of vVv to come together and become the family that vVv say they strive for. I was getting to the point where i was just going to leave the vVv community until i thought about making the second aspire team. The requirements would be the same and the skill level would be the same. Making a team that would of equal skill as the original team would not be difficult because people were always wondering about joining the aspire team. At this point i asked SugarBear again about this and he told me to do it and see if things would happen. Now through out all of this SugarBear had made it known that his passion for sc2 had disappeared and wanted to give the manager position to someone that had a passion for the game. I feel that he waited too long for getting a replacement because a community member should not be the one setting everything up for an extra team and community events all by themselves. Salvor came along and one could tell that he wanted to improve the sc2 community in vVv. I paid little attention to this because i was on the new aspire rising team was spending most of my time with them. I forgot all of the faults of the management until they dropped the A team and the sc2 community. I feel for nooborghini because of all the time he put in but i felt more for the sc2 community members because i was one for the longest time. The management for sc2 was finally changing for the better where community events were being planed and the aspire teams were talking and hanging out more with some of the community members. Then upper management drops them because they felt that they could not add value. I wonder what value they wanted out of them when they never questioned me about the value i added and never really talked to me. I don't understand what they wanted from the community members and what possible harm would occur if the community was kept. i was really saddened when i found out that they were destroying a part of the community that had finally been given the chance to grow, I left for the major reason that the sc2 community that i was a part of would be growing and would be kept stagnant and negative feelings would always be directed toward upper management. I wanted to stay with the family i created with aspire and decided that i should leave with them because i had no confidence in myself that i could fix the sc2 program of vVv by myself. | ||
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Poo
Canada536 Posts
On January 30 2013 04:07 t e a C h e r wrote: If he was a GM player, he would have his main/named account in GM right? Come on dude make sense... Why he smurfin if he aint even high mater? I doubt his smurfs have high master points. A lot of pro players don't stick a main account in GM. Hence you see countless barcode accounts. You can't really claim he isn't where he is due to this. | ||
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LuNa.
United States20 Posts
On January 30 2013 04:13 TBone- wrote: So is the community of vVv going to stay together under a different name? Yes we are. We'll just be known as Aspire, all of the staff members (captain, manager, etc.) will remain the same within the team. | ||
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Zygno
Austria276 Posts
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Eifer
United States138 Posts
Surprised there isn't more open criticism of the misleading/incompetent NAMED vVv leadership | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
There are some really great people in that organization. At the very least they give some players a chance to compete. | ||
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llIH
Norway2143 Posts
On January 30 2013 03:19 dragonblade369 wrote: This kind of post is really unneeded. You really should re-think what you post. And no, u can't speak on the behalf of 80% of TL Exactly. I hate it when people say stuff like that. 80% is a pretty big number to put on your back! :D | ||
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FlukyS
Ireland485 Posts
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exfrozensteel
France7 Posts
Still, when you joined vVv you accepted to respect the 5pillars ( http://www.vvv-gaming.com/forum/topic/39135-five-pillars-of-vvv-gaming/ ) that you are actually breaking. You probably don't give a dam, but as a vVv member I do. This is not helping you, this is not helping us. Yes they didn't proceed as you accorded, so what? Take it for what it is and live with it. Since the Starcraft 2 division was closed, we have in deed had a few things going on in our heads. But this is an intern problem, not a public problem. I do acknowledge that you are not directly the one who threw out the word and that vVv themselves endangered the pillars by going on reddit saying they were closing the division... it was a bit like searching for the stick that will beat them... But the mature thing to do would've been to get over it. If I had the same feelings and thoughts as you, I wouldn't be complaining the slightest about not being a member of vVv anymore. I would embrace my freedom, and start something else, something new, and most important, something bigger just to show them where they were wrong. But here's the thing, you can't... Why? I don't know and don't really care, thing is you just showed yourself trustful by going public instead of discussing with the concerned people (pillar N°4 for the recall). So obviously by joining vVv gaming and accepting to respect the five pillars, you lied. Please note this, no one ever told you they would pay you, and after all why would they? you don't bring them money so... that's that, plus I'd like to bring something back to your minds, you and the aspire team, when you applied to vVv it wasn't as a sponsorship application but as a member of the community. Does Millenium Serveur (french WoW pserver) pay me for being active on their forums and stuff? I don't think so... No one forced you into doing what you did, if you didn't want to it's your problem, if you thought you would have something in return, you blinded yourself for nothing, because unless you can prove that they did a statement saying: I will do [this] for you if you do [this], you are the only one to blame for your situation. Some of you may dislike Lordjerrith, Understandable, and note that it is his objective. He know that the only way to be listened to in this world is by being hated, or being made fun of. Just like that, how much of you have never watch a video of a guy raging on youtube? ok harder, How much of you have never watched a video of a guy hurting himself and talked about it to someone else? It is the same way that this works. He insults people to bring their attention to them by interposed people, and that is where this is strong, because when you are insulted, it is your self esteem that is heart, so you want to hear everything the other guy has to say to be able to counter attack so you just listen to the losers bracket in which you were talked about, and try to find something, only thing is you only find truth and that makes you hate him even more... You think that when he says to you that he has x years of experience in x domain and you don't it's annoying? Seriously man... just hang up then... This man here has brought ideas that nowadays seem to be common sense... And guess what, he also has ideas to develop esports that will be in place in the future... For the direction of vVv, if you think RobzGod and Doomhammer are misleading vVv, tell them directly, don't wait for it to implode, if you felt abandoned, you should have talked with them instead of building hate and losing faith in them over time. NuBrGNi left by his own. Okay, I do appreciate this guy, and do admit that what they asked from him was to much considering his life style, but still, he didn't say no. And they didn't say in that skype conversation that they would pay his travel. If the direction asked him for solid evidence that they should put money in him, well bro go check out the team liquid SC2 events calender and choose weekly tournaments to do, even if you shall stop streaming to do so, or if you have to stop helping team mates, no big deal, they should know what are the priorities. But now please don't come complain... I think this is going too far for what the vVv SC2 Division was, after all we didn't have a roster and as I just said, it was a Division, not a team. People are just happy because it allows them to poop on vVv once again, please note that even if the head of vVv is "full of shit" as would say NuBrGNi, the vVv community isn't, and we don't need this to tarnish I image, some of us have ambitions and we'd like to not be stuck at some point because thank to people that dislike the head of the association decided that the members were as bad... I'm sorry for the loss of the division, plus for myself it is the 3rd time I change status in vVv for diverse reasons, but it will not stop me from playing Starcraft, so why should it stop you? after all with or without them, it obviously makes no change since they didn't bring you anything from your says. Maybe you just needed this to appear as a scandal for you all to feel better, but seriously... You'll soon realize this is accomplishing nothing. Sincere regards and respect, | ||
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Creegz
Canada354 Posts
On January 30 2013 03:13 shid0x wrote: Just so you know : Its not like we ever cared about your so called ''team''. I think i can speak on the behalf of 80% of TL. edit for people who gets mad at this post : Deal with it. User was warned for this post Reason people care about this team (and all other small teams for that matter), myself included, is because if up and coming players keep getting burned by small teams, what are they gonna do when they need to go to larger teams to support them properly, they won't trust them and the contracts will get thicker and more costly before they will sign, then you (us) will end up footing that bill in extra costs in the long run because percentages of everything will have to go to team. | ||
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
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pb.fcnz
Canada101 Posts
On January 30 2013 04:36 exfrozensteel wrote: firstly GW2 player for vVv then Community Gamer for vVv, then SC2 player for vVv, just member no sponsor thing, now MMO player. And this is why vVv can't be considered a serious legitimate eSports organization but nothing else than a community site/clan. You might not understand where I'm coming from with this but no serious team would have "community teams" or switch players from a game to the other (I mean, if you were a legend in say, GW2 then switching to SC2, that'd be one thing, they could promote it and bring GW2 fans to follow the SC2 by streaming your progress but I doubt you follow a pro practice regimen of playing 6-10 hours of intense SC2 laddering) but if you were such a legend, we'd all know your name, so as far as I know you're just some gamer like anyone here, so why a "pro team" would have you on their line up in the first place is puzzling and also evidence that vVv is not a serious team. As far as your statement and defending vVv, well I wouldn't really expect an outsider to eSports to understand right off the bat, but pro SC2 players dedicate what is pretty much a "full-time job" type of time commitment into their practice, so for them to be promised incentives in exchange for creating content and bringing visibility to the vVv brand and then for the organization to reneg on their promises is shady, immoral and downright disgusting. This is why pro teams nowadays have contracts, they protect both the organization and the players. But vVv has never been in the business of protecting their players, nor have they ever had a clue how to run an organization. Why has vVv, with all the console community support it had/has with casuals, not become as big and powerful as an EG, coL or Liquid? If Jerith is such a genius businessman, why is vVv regarded as a joke by most competitive teams and esports "personalities"? FPS community thinks vVv is horrid and plays shit games with controllers that only appeal to casual pre-teens. RTS community thinks vVv is shady as hell and abused the trust of up and coming players. FGC community would like to stab Jerith a few times... Not to mention Jerith constantly contradicts himself.... rants against multigenre gamers but the only people on vVv to ever get exposure were the noob clowns they had in WCG Ultimate Gamer (people who couldnt even dominate their native games, yet play anything else)... And don't even get me started on vVv having "professional" guitar hero and dj hero players.... | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On January 30 2013 04:07 t e a C h e r wrote: If he was a GM player, he would have his main/named account in GM right? Come on dude make sense... Why he smurfin if he aint even high mater? I doubt his smurfs have high master points. Glon was very often top 20 gm on NA this past year on his smurf. Yet I bet you've never seen vVvGlon in GM, hell I don't think I even have and I keep track of that shit pretty closely. | ||
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pb.fcnz
Canada101 Posts
On January 30 2013 04:36 exfrozensteel wrote: This is not helping you, this is not helping us. Yes they didn't proceed as you accorded, so what? Take it for what it is and live with it. Ever heard of Breach of contract? SC2 is not Halo, these are the big leagues. Luckily for your team, no one had signed contracts or else LJ would be receiving a couple letters from lawyers right now. By the way, this is why this matters and why "take it for what it is and live with it" is quite possibly the most retarded response to this situation: http://sc2earnings.com/ By posting this information they might save some other players from wasting months of efforts into this shady bunch of people that make up vVv's management. | ||
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thomulus
Canada20 Posts
On January 30 2013 04:36 exfrozensteel wrote: Hey, I'm vVv Astraëa, firstly GW2 player for vVv then Community Gamer for vVv, then SC2 player for vVv, just member no sponsor thing, now MMO player. Still, when you joined vVv you accepted to respect the 5pillars ( http://www.vvv-gaming.com/forum/topic/39135-five-pillars-of-vvv-gaming/ ) that you are actually breaking. You probably don't give a dam, but as a vVv member I do. This is not helping you, this is not helping us. Yes they didn't proceed as you accorded, so what? Take it for what it is and live with it. Since the Starcraft 2 division was closed, we have in deed had a few things going on in our heads. But this is an intern problem, not a public problem. I do acknowledge that you are not directly the one who threw out the word and that vVv themselves endangered the pillars by going on reddit saying they were closing the division... it was a bit like searching for the stick that will beat them... But the mature thing to do would've been to get over it. If I had the same feelings and thoughts as you, I wouldn't be complaining the slightest about not being a member of vVv anymore. I would embrace my freedom, and start something else, something new, and most important, something bigger just to show them where they were wrong. But here's the thing, you can't... Why? I don't know and don't really care, thing is you just showed yourself trustful by going public instead of discussing with the concerned people (pillar N°4 for the recall). So obviously by joining vVv gaming and accepting to respect the five pillars, you lied. Please note this, no one ever told you they would pay you, and after all why would they? you don't bring them money so... that's that, plus I'd like to bring something back to your minds, you and the aspire team, when you applied to vVv it wasn't as a sponsorship application but as a member of the community. Does Millenium Serveur (french WoW pserver) pay me for being active on their forums and stuff? I don't think so... No one forced you into doing what you did, if you didn't want to it's your problem, if you thought you would have something in return, you blinded yourself for nothing, because unless you can prove that they did a statement saying: I will do [this] for you if you do [this], you are the only one to blame for your situation. Some of you may dislike Lordjerrith, Understandable, and note that it is his objective. He know that the only way to be listened to in this world is by being hated, or being made fun of. Just like that, how much of you have never watch a video of a guy raging on youtube? ok harder, How much of you have never watched a video of a guy hurting himself and talked about it to someone else? It is the same way that this works. He insults people to bring their attention to them by interposed people, and that is where this is strong, because when you are insulted, it is your self esteem that is heart, so you want to hear everything the other guy has to say to be able to counter attack so you just listen to the losers bracket in which you were talked about, and try to find something, only thing is you only find truth and that makes you hate him even more... You think that when he says to you that he has x years of experience in x domain and you don't it's annoying? Seriously man... just hang up then... This man here has brought ideas that nowadays seem to be common sense... And guess what, he also has ideas to develop esports that will be in place in the future... For the direction of vVv, if you think RobzGod and Doomhammer are misleading vVv, tell them directly, don't wait for it to implode, if you felt abandoned, you should have talked with them instead of building hate and losing faith in them over time. NuBrGNi left by his own. Okay, I do appreciate this guy, and do admit that what they asked from him was to much considering his life style, but still, he didn't say no. And they didn't say in that skype conversation that they would pay his travel. If the direction asked him for solid evidence that they should put money in him, well bro go check out the team liquid SC2 events calender and choose weekly tournaments to do, even if you shall stop streaming to do so, or if you have to stop helping team mates, no big deal, they should know what are the priorities. But now please don't come complain... I think this is going too far for what the vVv SC2 Division was, after all we didn't have a roster and as I just said, it was a Division, not a team. People are just happy because it allows them to poop on vVv once again, please note that even if the head of vVv is "full of shit" as would say NuBrGNi, the vVv community isn't, and we don't need this to tarnish I image, some of us have ambitions and we'd like to not be stuck at some point because thank to people that dislike the head of the association decided that the members were as bad... I'm sorry for the loss of the division, plus for myself it is the 3rd time I change status in vVv for diverse reasons, but it will not stop me from playing Starcraft, so why should it stop you? after all with or without them, it obviously makes no change since they didn't bring you anything from your says. Maybe you just needed this to appear as a scandal for you all to feel better, but seriously... You'll soon realize this is accomplishing nothing. Sincere regards and respect, Peter "Astraëa" Steel. You don't know what you're talking about, as you could see if you actually read anything, we did talk to the management several times, you can't break a pillar of vVvGaming if you've already left. The aspire team never asked for money. The SC2 division was under the impression that the upper management would co-operate with them, and they didn't, that's why we left. WE'RE NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING DROPPED! WE LEFT! WE ARE NOT TRYING TO HELP vVv! -Tuff | ||
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